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great to have you with us, ahead here on cnn newsroom. unprecedented 24 hours in an already unprecedented year. with no letup in a barrage of missile tests by north korea, including a suspected launch of an intercontinental ballistic missile. and ethiopia, the beginning of the end of the brutal civil war. both sides agreed to permanently silence the guns and disarm. first then he was in, then he was out, vladimir putin is back in. joining a un turkish broker deal with ukrainian grain exports. so what was that all about?
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never before has north korea conducted this many missile tests in 24 hours. followed up by the possible launch of an intercontinental ballistic missile test just hours ago. all of this happening in what is already a record setting year for pyongyang's illicit missile program. never before have north korean missiles -- of the northern limit line. below which north korean ships are banned. according to officials in seoul, around 7:48 local time, north korea fired what is believed to be an icbm from an area near the capital, followed up an hour later with two short-range missiles. cnn's tally, that makes it 30 missile tests this year. tokyo initially feared the icbm was on track to fly over its territory, issued alerts for residents in the north, to take shelter. it's now believe the missile failed inflate. all this coming a day after north korean --
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unprecedented barrage of 23 short-range missiles. triggered air raid alarms of south korea's east coast. -- in tokyo with the latest. bring us up to speed. where is tokyo right now in all this. what is the tensions in the regions right at the moment? >> john, i think tokyo in the rest of the region are still trying to figure out exactly what happened this morning. what kind of missiles were fired, the reality here is what we're seeing from north korea's unprecedented, earlier this morning south korea's military said pyongyang fired another three ballistic missiles. with a government sourcing one of them could've been an international, intercontinental ballistic missile that's believed to have failed. the u.s. and south korea condemned the latest launch, calling it a serious provocation, the most recent launch comes just one day after north korea fired a record 23 missiles in a single day, a combination of short-range ballistic missiles and surface to air missiles along with 100
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artillery shells. that fell into the waters around the korean peninsula. today, marks the 30th time this year that north korea has launched missiles, this is the most missile launches conducted by north korea in a single year in the country's history. we still almost have to form months to go. and it's clear that this region right now is on edge, as you mentioned, japan actually thought that the missile had flown over the top of japan in a series of tweets this morning the prime minister's office sent out a warning to the public that a missile had been launched, urging the public to living in -- some prefectures were sirens were heard to evacuate inside the building or underground, just a few minutes after that, followed up with another tweet saying that the missile had passed into the pacific ocean, as it turns out, as you mentioned this was not the case. and the missile did not fly over japan because it failed in-flight. here's japan's minister of defense addressing what happened. >> [interpreter]
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we detected that the missile that was lost around 7:40 am might fly over japan, so we put out a jail or. but later, we have confirmed that the missile did not fly over japan. and disappeared in the skies above the sea of japan. so, we would like to rectify our announcement. [end of translation] >> this most recent -- missile fired by career shouldn't come as a surprise of the country's foreign ministry warned of more powerful follow-up measures earlier this week if the united states didn't stop its war exercises around the korean peninsula. the u.s.'s most recent military exercises happening now, it's called vigilant storm it started on monday and will continue through friday, it's worth noting that this large scale drill between the united states and south korea was previously scheduled it involved one hundreds of aircraft and thousands of service members from each country. with the u.s. releasing video of its fighter squadrons performing night operations.
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with one more day of drills scheduled, john, there could be more weapons testing by north korea in the horizon and a statement before wednesday's flurry of missile launches, pyongyang once again warned that if u.s. and south korea attempt to use armed forces against the north, they would carry out a strategic missile without delay, and that the u.s. and south korea will pay the most horrible price in history. perhaps again, that's a warning that we still could see something worse. as of right now, john, it's believe that the country's seventh ever nuclear weapons test is imminent. john? >> blake, thank you. blake essig live for us in tokyo. >> to new york now -- there's a visiting fellow at the atlantic councils was ceo and founder of strategy risk the climate consultancy with a focus on china and risk management. isaac, thanks for being available. good to see you. >> good to see you, thanks for having me. >> the past 24 hours has seen the significant escalation in a
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year in which north korea has already conducted an unprecedented number of missile tests. at what point does this stop? and how great are the chances now of a miscalculation in the longer this goes now that south korean missiles are in place? >> this stops either when pyongyang feels like it gets the attention that it deserves, that it gets the money the aid that it wants from the u.s. or south korea or japan. or the stops when either the north korean regime falls apart, or there's enough of a geopolitical crisis elsewhere that the world just really stop paying attention to north korea. >> amid this flurry of missile fire, residents of northern japan at one point were told to take shelter, train services were partly stopped. in tokyo seems to be talking about the media for a nuclear deterrent for a time. listen to this. >> [interpreter] based on the situation, we will consider all options realistically. without excluding anything including counterattack capability. we continue to work on
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strengthening our defense capabilities fundamentally. >> the words without excluding anything seems to stand out there, for japan has a virtual nuclear capacity, in other words they have the plans -- they just need to put all of it together. do they do that now? >> the big piece of this picture is china and japan's relationship with china. and tokyo could very well say we need to defend against north korea and thus we need to implement and build a nuclear program. but the real target of that would be a deterrent for china, which poses a much larger threat, and much larger threat to japan and i would argue even the short term as well as the medium term. that north korea. but north korea is a very good excuse for japan to do that. >> so if they went ahead with that, what would be the reaction from china? >> i think if japan were to do that it would seriously escalate tensions, but we do have to remember, china itself is a nuclear power. and china and south korea are
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not. so they have to deal with both north korea which is the de facto nuclear power, in china which is a one of the world's largest. >> the north koreans seem to have this playbook when they do these tests, it's all about wanting to resume talks with the u.s., they start off with the crazy top on state media which bunch of threats, that goes up two short-range missiles after that long range ballistic missiles and icbm, and then eventually it gets to a nuclear test which is also considered imminent. with that in mind, listen to this. >> we continue to seek serious and sustained dialogue with the dprk, but as we've made no secret of, the dprk has refused to engage. >> so, if the missile tests are all about getting u.s. attention, it seems that they would refuse to talk. but that question of why is, why now? how do you see it? >> this is less than two weeks after a very important chinese
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political conference, it's just under a week to the u.s. midterms. and it right after a major tragedy in south korea, a stampede that left roughly 150 people dead. i think pyongyang thinks this is a time when the u.s. china and south korea are attentive. and it's too early to say whether the in the right, and all sides are trying to manage north korea's expectation and not show willingness to negotiate or concede on anything. but that appears to be the bargain that north korea's making. >> and up until this point, it seems that the u.s. for least which was busy handling a war in ukraine, an economy which is in trouble, inflation. the whole bunch of issues as well as china. north korea has been in the let's get to it later on basket. it seems that no longer should be there. more pressing issue. >> biden would love to resurrect obama's policy of
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strategic patience, which is to do very little and hope that the problem goes away. and north korea would love to bring biden to where trump was in the first two years of his term, especially right in the middle when he was willing to meet kim jong-un, and he was willing to sit down and negotiate and get the liter face. and we're right in the middle of it right now, john, it's early to say whether or not biden will head to his most immediate present sensor or to obama, but right now, he is trying to stick with where obama was. >> we'll see how that works out. isaac, thanks for being here. we appreciated. >> thank you having me. >> two years a bitter civil war in ethiopia is coming to an end, with a surprise cease-fire announcement on wednesday. after just ten days of talks brokered by the african union, representatives from both sides agreed on terms and shook hands on an agreement which is not a final peace deal but a crucial first step towards one that is
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if the cease-fire holds. earlier this year, a cease-fire fell apart within months and there are many good reasons why this one could as well. the human toll in tigray announced elsewhere has been staggering, but with the pause in fighting it seems that critical shipments of humanitarian aid might just be able to reach those in desperate need. we have more now from cnn's larry but it will. >> these dots in south africa achieved a lot more than was expected, in a much shorter period. it's a new dawn in ethiopia as the silencing of a guns of exactly two years of a tigray conflict, but there's a big if. if it can be implemented, because it's a big one. a permanent -- and also a smooth, orderly disarmament. this means every single member of the tigray peoples liberation front has two down their tools, down their guns, they have to agree to reintegrate into the ethiopian society also agreed to restoration of services and humanitarian supplies, and protection for everybody involved in this conflict.
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essentially letting bygones be bygones. so far, the mood music is promising. >> this moment is not the end of peace process. but the beginning of it. implementation of the piece that we signed today is critical. to the success of the process. >> this is not the first -- announcement from ethiopia this year. another one earlier in the year collapsed in august and led to more fighting. the other big elephant in the room is eritrea, that country was not part of these talks and was not explicitly mentioned in the announcement. but the tigray people's liberation front as complain consistently about the presence of eritrean troops in their territory. saying it was against international law. and at this announcement event -- he read from -- there were people within their ranks or in the neighborhood who would want to sabotage this peace deal, and ask for the
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international community to be vigilant. in the weeks and months ahead, the implementation of this peace deal will be so critical to making sure there can be some semblance of normalcy in tigray, that the people who suffered so much can finally have some peace, and the tigray peoples liberation front or we are fighting is because the people deserve peace. larry madowo, cnn nairobi. >> russia has now rejoined a grain export deal reversing course just days after suspending it into anticipation. moscow did that over the weekend, the un turkey brokered deal including ukraine launching drone attacks on russian trips in crimean waters from humanitarian corridors which guarantee the safety of the grain exports. volodymyr zelenskyy and his turkish counter point now preserve the deal, they guarantee you safe pair passage for ships carrying grain exports from ukraine. russia's president says his country still reserve the right
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to pull out if ukraine uses those corridors again. he says for military purposes. >> [interpreter] i have instructed the defense ministry to resume our participation in this work. however, russia reserve the right to withdraw from this agreement at these guarantees are breached by ukraine. >> all this means that the deal will likely ease concerns about global food supplies, according to the -- ukraine release supplies the earth 45 million tons of grain every year, the price of railroad markets already come down. >> on the battlefield, ukraine also says it's been striking key russian targets in the occupied kherson region. ukrainian officials say the military hit air defense systems in kherson, from an area where russian forces have been operating to resupply troops. all this comes as russian talks prepare new defensive positions on the east bake of the dnipro
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[ coughing/sneezing ] [ door knocking ] dude, you coming? because the only thing dripping should be your style! plop plop fizz fizz, with alka-seltzer plus cold & flu relief. also try for fizzy fast cough relief! this report contains very difficult audio. so if you have young kids in the room, you might ask them to leave. cnn has obtained never before released 9-1-1 calls from some of the children inside robb elementary school in uvalde, texas, during the massacre there. you should also know that it is the parents of the kids in this report who want this made public. for months now, in addition to everything else, they have had to bear, they have been misled over and over again about what happened. which is why they want this audio played and this story told. because if not for this and
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other reporting largely by cnn 's shimon prokupecz and his team they simply would not be getting answers, period. this is why some of the parents have been saying to us. it is in that spirit, mindful of how difficult some of this new audio is to hear, that we bring you the latest tonight. shimon prokupecz joins us now. so what is this? >> it is the same phone call where a second student, the second child gets on the phone. a little girl by the name of miao cerrillo. she got on the phone. a report last night was with chloe torres. chloe hands through the phone at some point. so meir then takes the call and is talking to the 9-1-1 operator. and this just shows, again, the continued lack of response, the lack of any kind of sort of way that police force their way into the room. the fact that they took their time. another significant thing that happens on this audio is that there are gunshots. we do not air those gunshots out of respect for the family. but again, it all paints a picture of law enforcement that
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did not respond appropriately, that failed, as officials there in texas said. and, again something with the families have asked for us to play. to come forward with. because the answers. they say this will help, hopefully, bring transparency. take a listen. >> hello. >> hi. i'm here. >> okay. [inaudible] >> i'm sorry? >> the killer in the building. do not open the door. he's shooting. >> be quiet, make sure everyone is quiet. [inaudible] >> okay, hold on,
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hold on. what was that? >> i think the officers are in the building. >> okay, officers are in the building. do not open the door until i tell you. >> okay. okay. >> what you see there, we put it side by side as she is talking to the 9-1-1 operator. you see those officers in the hallway. what is so striking was that when there were gunshots in the classroom, you start to see the officers advance towards the classroom. you see them they're going on their body cam footage. yeah, it took nearly 30 minutes still before they went into the classroom. >> and that little girl's, this is a double classroom that is in the same area with the shooter?
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>> she's in the same area, the shooter, at this point appears he is in the other room. he is in the same classroom. there is a door that divides the classroom. that is open. it's room 111 and 112. he appears to be in the other room. at one point you can hear her, she was uncertain if he was even in the room. she thought that maybe he somehow was outside of the room. >> as we heard in the phone call which may last night which is producing from, there are that people -- >> there are. >> children in the room. >> but we don't show, because it is just so, it is too difficult to air and at some point you stop hearing noises in the background. you stop hearing people, kids, teachers. >> who had been wounded? >> people who had been wounded and who were screaming for help. at some point you no longer hear them. you only hear these two little girls. and the other people in the classroom just sort of go silent. some of them can hear the noises outside the classroom. they can tell that there are police outside the classroom.
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they can hear the helicopter. they know there is activity going on. they just understand what is taking so long. and they don't realize that the officers are just feet from the door. but again, even after those gunshots are fired, even after the officers knew that these kids were inside the classroom alive and trapped with this gunman, with the gunshots being fired. it still took almost -- >> it is sickening to the courage of ten year old children, fourth graders, to call 9-1-1 and be on the phone with a 9-1-1 operator. narrating what is happening. and officers being feet away and not entering the classroom, which is the training. and officers outside, at least many of them, knowing that there were children alive calling 9-1-1. there was confusion. but there was the knowledge that these kids had called. >> people in positions of power and people who should be making decisions, they knew.
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that is the key in all of this. >> thank you. joining us now, the father of that brave girl you just heard, miguel cerrillo. miguel, i appreciate you being with us. when you first heard the audio of your brave daughter doing this, what did you think? >> i just broke down. i broke down. heartbroken. i had a lot of emotions running in me. i didn't know what to think. i didn't know what to think, i didn't know what to say. i was speechless. i was just, i couldn't say nothing. i was just mad, i was mad because now i know when my daughter was so mad. and i am very proud of my daughter, she did what she had to do so to survive. but it took him a very long time just to get, not only my
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daughter out, but the rest of the survivors out of that classroom. for 77 minutes? i mean, it takes too long. this is too long. if my daughter and chloe had the courage to take the phone away from the teacher, to call 9-1-1 to let them know that they are still alive and they need help. why not one officer jumped and said, hey, we need to go in there. they still waited outside for a very long time to get any kids. or to break the door down, or anything. they took too long. i believe that students, even one of these teachers that was shot, that my daughter was telling me. she would've still been alive. a lot of these kids would've still been alive if these officers would have reached that door as soon as they heard that phone call. >> did you say that chloe -- >> they would've heard them come. >> did you see that chloe and your daughter got the phone from one of the teachers? >> yes. >> one of the teachers who was shot and killed? >> yes, between my daughter and chloe, they brainstormed and they got the phone.
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and they called 9-1-1. my daughter told chloe decline 9-1-1. >> they had the presence of mind, this was the first time lure this, they are the presence of mind to take a phone from a teacher who had been killed. they had the courage to do that and to call 9-1-1. >> yes, sir. they had the courage to do it, but the officers didn't have the courage to go in and protect innocent kids. >> you must be so proud of her. >> i am very proud of her. i am speechless. i am very proud of her, i teller all the time that i love around everything. i mean, we were inseparable until now. you know, now we cannot be, well, we can be around each other, but i guess since a guy, a boy did this to her. she is really angry against every man right now. i guess, i am not sure. but lately we have been getting
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closer and closer and closer. i love that our bond is getting back together where it was. she is trusting me even more. >> she has been changed by this experience. this is not something that she just, you know, people think, oh, well kids can bounce back. this is something, you see the impact on her still? >> yes, sir. yes, sir. every day is a different day with her. every day, every day we have to wake up. we have to see how she is doing. see how she slept through the night because there is nights that she, you know, doesn't sleep. she won't sleep for two or three days still. there was several days where she wouldn't sleep and we had to stay up with her. me and my wife had to switch spots, like, hey. you sleep for a few hours. you stay up with her. we will switch, we will keep switching. >> did you ever expect, i mean, when this happened, the horror of that day. did you ever think that we
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would be here all of these months later still waiting for answers? still waiting for an actual -- >> no. >> minute by minute account and accountability? >> i thought it would have been way faster to put a accountability on somebody. but it is taking way too long. >> miguel cerrillo, i appreciate you talking us tonight, thank you. i just wish your daughter and your family the best. >> thank you. >> coming up, we will have the latest on the investigation of the attack on house speaker nancy pelosi's husband. security cameras that were on but not being recorded. excuse, me i should say not being monitored in real time. plus, the comment on the attack by kari lake, the republican candidate for governor in arizona, that she says was the
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as we mentioned earlier, president biden began his remarks side about the threats to democracy by drawing a line from the attack on house speaker nancy pelosi's husband back to the january 6th rioters, chanting where's nancy. we received this new video, speaker pelosi leaving home and san francisco. security presence now surrounding her. earlier today, members of the pelosi family gathered with police to hear the 9-1-1 call and watch body camera footage of the attack on paul pelosi. now, this comes the same day that the capitol police confirmed reporting by cnn and the washington post that they had cameras on the pelosi residence which caught the break-in and the police response. but the cameras were not actively monitored at the time of the attack. in other, words no one was actually watching them in realtime. the source tells cnn that it
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wasn't until about ten minutes after the incident when an officer noticed the lights and sirens on the video. today, congressional democrats have been getting answers from the capitol police about security for members of congress. court documents filed tuesday say that the suspect, david depape, allegedly told officers and medics at the scene that he had been on a, quote, suicide mission. joined now by cnn chief law enforcement until agents analyst john miller. first of, all the serial and system that the capitol police, no one actually watching it. does that surprise you? >> not in the slightest bit. it is actually kind of a dumb question that people are thinking, like, there is 1800 cameras feeding into a command center in washington d. c. there aren't 1800 officers each watching one of those monitors. what they're doing is they're listening to the police, radio there watching were incidents, they are zeroing in on the cameras where something is happening. they are much more attentive to the camera that is on the residence where nancy pelosi is actually staying in washington
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that night than the place that is 3000 miles away there where their protectee is not present. so it is unreasonable think that they would've been staring about that. >> it's literally, that it is andrew monitors. like, a lot. >> you don't see all hidden triggers monitors, you see lots of monitors where, you, know there's five people in that command center who are doing numbers of jobs. and if there is something in the camera where they say, full of that camera, let's see what's going on there. the simple fact that they still have police cars and lights on one of the cameras inside which one is that, let's figure out what is going on. shows that they are paying attention. but the nypd, we had 20,000 cameras. we can watch 20,000 cameras. we were monitoring events, using the events to zoom in on them. >> the washington post also reported that speaker pelosi's run of the clock security including a san francisco police cruiser, that used to sit outside her house after january 6th. that was no longer there. it is, i mean, why wouldn't there be a burglary system? i was just surprised there wouldn't even be one officer on the scene at that house? >> well, she wasn't there. and this may change. >> so government protection is for the, quote unquote, package.
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not for the spouse of the package? >> if you are in the white house, it's the president, vice president, their families. if you are in congress, is the protectee. remember, the capitol police is 2000 cops who cover 2. 4 square miles of washington d. c.. it sounds like a lot, but when you figure the enormity of the capitol complex, not just the building but all the other buildings, the checkpoints, the intelligence people, alarm squad, the squad team. divide that across three shifts, it is not that big a department. and if 535 members of congress have a security detail, they have to add 3600 people, even if you kept those details small. so a lot of that is triage. but to date, if they are gonna look at people who are in the line of succession for president, they have security details. leadership, they have security details. family, that is a question that they are gonna have to go into. because of this incident.
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but it has never been that way before. >> i appreciated, thanks so much. >> on monday night, on the program, we played a video from a campaign event earlier in the day for kari lake, the republican candidate for governor in arizona. specifically, it was her response to a question about school security. during that response, she mentioned the attack on nancy pelosi's husband paul. i want to play that exact same piece of sound again, and i will explain why after this. >> it's not impossible to protect our kids in school. they act like it is. nancy pelosi, well, she has got protection when she is i n d. c., apparently her housed doesn't have a lot of protection. [laughs] >> again, that is exactly what this broadcast played monday night. now, kari lake is saying that what you just heard was the result of what she calls, quote, creative editing. cnn's president fact-checker david daniel dale sean just. now so it is what else is kari lake saying about her comments on monday?
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>> she is claiming to reporters now that she never made light of the attack on mr. pelosi. and that the idea that she did or that she said anything bad was solely the result of a despicable deceptive editing hit job by what she calls the fake news media. listen to her comments. >> wow >>. i never made light on the attack, i was talking about her children and why they don't have better security at school. and i said that our politicians have security. and athletes have security. we need to have security for our children. go back and look at the tape, don't do any creative editing like the fake media tends to do, and you will see what i was saying. it's despicable. >> go back and look at the video, a lot of creative editing was done. okay? and i think that you all know it if you were there. they clipped that clip and made it look bad. and, listen, nobody, i didn't attack anybody. i want to provide security for our children at schools. >> wow, i mean, she's just flat out lying. >> yeah, yeah. anderson, the truth and went back and watch that full video, she insists we watched it. it changes absolutely nothing. we will show you that clip in a moment.
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what happens is she's asked a question about school security? she invokes the attack on mr. pelosi unprompted. much of the audience laughs, the moderator struggles so much that he is covering his face with his notes. at no point does she say, hey, hey, this is not a joke. i'm being serious. here is an appropriate to laugh. just watch the clip. >> it is not impossible to protect our kids at school. they act like it is. nancy pelosi, well, she's got protection when she is in d. c., apparently her house doesn't have a lot of protection. >> [laughs] >> but, if our lawmakers have protection, if our lawmakers can have protection, if our politicians can have protection, our athletes. certainly then the most important people in our lives, our children, should have protection. >> unfortunately, anderson, this is a playbook we have heard a lot in the last few years. you make a comment that might excite parts of the republican base. and then when that comment gets you in trouble with some other people, you just claim that you never did it at all. >> i get her doing this, i mean, this is her stick.
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who is the guy interviewing her who covers his face like this is actually something funny? i mean, when, did like, human beings just become like this? who is guffawing in the audience as if it is actually funny? i, mean i don't understand. like, there is just nothing funny about anybody being hurt. it, i mean, i am just rambling. but i am shocked. i guess, i don't know why am shocked. but i, mean i am not shocked by her. you know, she has been faking stuff for a long time. but just the reaction of these people. like, daniel, i am sorry. i am rambling, thank you very much. ahead, newly-released emails coming up just showing -- top lawyers about knowingly false claims about voter fraud, details on that next.
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we just learned that a top former adviser to the president has testified, newly released emails indicate a top campaign lawyer for the former president, a man liz cheney says what some of the primary architects for efforts to overturn the election. was concerned the former president could be prosecuted for false claims in court about voter fraud. the emails were written by
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attorney john eastman in december of 2020 and were among those released by federal judge in california today. cnn's sarah murphy joins us now with details. sarah, first of, all there's breaking news now about an adviser to the former president. what is it? >> yeah, this is kash patel. he is an aide to former president trump. he has now been ordered by a judge to testify before the grand jury in the mar-a-lago documents investigation. he has been given immunity in exchange for this testimony. look, this is significant because this is someone who was out there claiming that the former president declassified the documents, he was also sort of intimately involved in the documents at mar-a-lago. so this gives prosecutors an opportunity to get information from him. to ask him, you know, whether trump actually to declassify the documents when he, you know, it's another oath without him, you know, facing potential legal ramifications. so in some ways, the way for prosecutors is to get a system,
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anybody also gets immunity when he appeared for the grand jury. >> so we know when he will be appealed for the grand jury? >> we don't know yet when he will appear. >> and what more can you tell us about what was in the eastman emails? >> sure, so these are emails from john eastman, a former lawyer for former president trump that have now have been handed over to the january six select committee. and in these emails, you really get a sense of how uneasy lawyers are around the former president about some of the false election fraud claims they are putting forward. you know, there is an exchange of these emails when they are talking about how they now know some of the claims they are making about, you know, felons who voted. dead people who voted. stuff that was inaccurate. they have realized it is not accurate. they say they briefed trump on how it is inaccurate. they are really worried he is gonna sign on to in a statement that has been submitted in court. and that could subject him to legal jeopardy. here's what eastman says and one of the emails. i have no doubt that an aggressive da or u.s. attorney someplace would go after both the president and his lawyers
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once all of the dust settles on this. just to give you an idea of how chaotic this was, it was december 31st. and they are trying to figure out a different way to get a notary to change this document. maybe get someone over zoom so that trump doesn't have to sign a document saying under the penalty of perjury. >> what about the emails mentioning justice clarence thomas? >> so part of their plan was that they wanted to be able to get a case in front of supreme court justice clarence thomas. that they were hoping that he would be able to intervene. he may be able to issue some kind of tentative order that suggested that votes in georgia were not valid because of election fraud. at one point they say that their only hope is to get something like this in front of clarence thomas, to get him to issue an order like this. and then their belief was that if something like this was pending before the supreme court, you couldn't certify the election on january 6th. >> is there anything in the emails about why they are so confident in justice thomas? >> you know, it is very clear that this is where they put their confidence. it is not entirely clear why they felt like this was the person to put all of their eggs in that basket.
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>> sarah murray, appreciate it, thank you. next, it is former supreme allied commander looked -- on the latest signals of russia -- what western intelligence is learning about wrote moscow salts on the discussions about possibly using a nuclear weapons in ukraine.
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disturbing details and a new u.s. intelligence assessment suggesting that the russian military officials have discussed how and under what conditions russia would use tactical nuclear weapons on the battlefield in ukraine. that is according to multiple sources around the assessment. however, officials say they do not believe vladimir putin was involved in discussions, and see no signs yet is that a take drastic steps about going nuclear. at the same, time russia's foreign minister today issue statement outlining when such weapons might be used. mainly in response to aggression using weapons of mass destruction. or conventional weapons wher e
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the existence of the russian state is in jeopardy. joining us, retired army general wesley clark, former nato supreme allied commander. currently a cnn military analyst. so general clark, cnn reporting indicating that there are mixed reactions to this new intelligence within the biden administration. some are concerned, saying these conversations reflect intensifying frustration in the russian military that could raise others believe conversations may have been taken out of context. i wonder what your reaction is? >> well, my reaction is that this is useful intelligence. if the military is talking about. it that would indicate that the weapons might not be used just for political fact. it might not be just a demonstration. a strike on the ocean or something like this, but there might actually be used to achieve a battlefield impact. >> both vladimir putin and the russian foreign ministry have made recent statements indicating the use of nuclear weapons, ukraine does not necessarily fall under russia's doctrine for nuclear use. obviously it comes after months
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of veiled threats from putin on the use of these weapons. i mean, do you believe, what do you believe is russia's goal with these kind of conflicting messages? >> i think the goal with the conflicting messages is to confuse and distract. remember, before these 24th of february, mr. putin and his foreign minister said they weren't going to be invade ukraine. so they say a lot of things that aren't true. three >> this, plus the other information about the dirty bomb, blowing up, so forth, the evacuation of civilians from kherson -- it adds up to a significant concern for us. >> what effect -- why would russia used a nuclear device? what military effect would it have? what would be the benefit for russia? >> i'm not sure they would use a nuclear device, unless they were going to go after a specific road junction or
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factory or energy plant. but if they are going after military forces, no, you would not use a single nuclear device. you would use multiple devices -- i doesn't work too that doesn't. you would wait for the ukrainians to concentrate their forces. and then you would fire a pulse of these weapons out of several miles. and that is where you would try to achieve a real battle field effect. one? no, one is a warning. it's of political significance. 20, 30 weapons. that could do serious damage to ukrainian forces, let's say, if they were amassing to make an attack. >> but if they are amassing the russian forces, with that not also have the possibility of hurting russian forces as well? >> sure. but if you gave the russian forces warning, if they were dug in in defensive positions behind concrete, deep in the ground -- if you target the weapons
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successfully against ukrainian forces, you might be able to minimize that effect on the russian forces. on the other hand, the russians might be willing to risk those forces to achieve a dominant battlefield effect and impact from these nuclear weapon strikes. >> do you think this is in the realm -- what is the danger of this, do you think? like, the chances of this? >> i think it's a possibility. i think we will get some warning of this. we would get the warning. we've got to step up again, the efforts to persuade russians not to do it. but the claiming of these four regions as part of russia, that would fit russian doctrine if the ukrainians were coming in there to seize that territory and if they were successful or about to be successful in doing so. >> wesley clark, i appreciate it, thank you, we will be right back.
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