five days, laura. count them. five days until election day and the biggest names in politics are crisscrossing the country this week trying to make their final campaign pitch. >> we are talking about a handful of key races that could

determine who controls the house and the senate. if the gop takes back congress, this country could look and feel very different. that has been part of the conversation people are having about what is at stake. right? >> absolutely, we do not have to guess. republicans have basically told us what they plan to do if they win back the house and take the senate. so, i think this is a good opportunity for dueling panels to hear what our panel think about all of those and predict. so, i will go first. >> how much time on the clock today? >> let's do four minutes. i put up four minutes. there we go. i want to bring in cnn political commentator scott jennings, and special correspondent for vanity fair. thank you so much for being here guys. basically what we have heard scott, from republicans like matt yeas, and even congress and nancy -- is that there will be impeachment hearings.

that is what republicans want. one of the saying that republicans want to do if they win back the house. why do you look skeptical? >> they are not going to impeach joe biden. i think that there will be a lot of investigations of joe biden. >> what about mayorkas? >> i will say a lot of pressure on that front. republicans are broadly very upset about the border crisis, but specifically with him, and republicans are hearing about border agents are very upset with him. >> so there could be impeachment? >> i don't know, impeachment is a huge step. that guy, i think that the fiscally said back in september that he will have a reserved spot in the capital because you will be up there so. much >> we have heard that. so molly, what do you think will happen? >> i think that you're going to have a fight between the maga caucus and the more normal republicans. it is going to play out, and i think that the maga caucus is going to win. it is going to be a lot of investigations, maybe an impeachment, and ultimately the

american people are going to be pretty horrified by it. >> when you say in impeachment, they will try to impeach biden? >> i cannot predict the future, but there certainly is a lot of appetite for pageantry and spectacle and i think that those things are going to earn voters. all >> of it is interesting david, because when mccarthy was asked about that, he sounded like he was not eager to launch something like that. he said today, well, anytime that you are using federal money there needs to be a check and balance. because so many republicans have said that there was a huge waste of time and taxpayer dollars impeaching donald trump twice. >> shout out bakersfield high school, you may have your first speaker of the house. i do not think it's a done deal yet, though, but if kevin mccarthy is the speaker of the house, i think that he and others and leadership will probably try to put the brakes on an impeachment. i am not going to predict an impeachment of president biden, but there will be a big push

from the house republican caucus to impeach president biden. it very well could have been. i do not think that they get their bang for their buck for trying to impeach secretary mayorkas, they want to go after biden. >> if kevin mccarthy were to become speaker, would he be able to rein in the people who would be pushing for this? >> well, he is going to have a big job on his hand to try to bring all of these desperate factions in. there are so many things that republicans want to do. is that people mad at biden, mad at the hundred saying -- which by the way, i think, i talked to jamie comer today and they really do believe that this is no longer in hunter biden investigation, it is a joe biden investigation. >> what is that? mean >> they think they have evidence connecting joe biden to the things that they do not like about hunter biden. i think there's gonna be a huge deal. the afghanistan withdrawal is gonna be a huge focus, along with the after mentioned border stuff. there is a huge buffet that republicans have a huge appetite for.

>> you know what's interesting, in terms of wasting taxpayer dollars, the people who are at the base, they do have an appetite for this. they can do this all day long. >> and there is a stunned why marjorie taylor greene is so good with small dollar donations. the basil of that. the problem is a critical mass does not. once you've won the primary, this is your primary group. this is not enough to win a general. i think that ultimately is going to be the thing that comes back. >> david yue is eight seconds. >> if republicans go after afghanistan, will they acknowledge that president trump was the one who negotiated the withdrawal with the travel ban? >> we will let that hang right there. excellent job guys. laura, over to you. >> we have four minutes, it is our turn. we have -- number one, a lot is happening right now, tell me what is different if democrats are no longer in a majority. a crime is the issue, can republicans course correct in a way that actually persuade

voters, what do you? think >> they will make crime the big issue, but i do not know that there is a law that congress is going to do to solve the crime. if you look at the agenda republicans put out, it basically says that we are going to fight. so check, -- i do not know what they can actually do, but i think they will do a lot of messaging and that is what you do when you are in the majority in the house and you are of the biden government. you are not making law, you are passing bills to put democrats in a bad spot and kevin mccarthy is very good at that. >> they are supposed to be making the law and legislating these issues, this may sound very counterintuitive to people, to just do messaging. does that seem odd? >> people are frustrated with washington. i think it is funny that everything republicans are saying they're going to do, hunter biden, people get to vote in four days. they talk about democrats not doing anything, but i do not hear any of them talking about what they're going to do for inflation, what they're going

to do to protect workers, to protect women or people of color? >> from kevin mccarthy, a post new gingrich contract with america, but you are saying that it is not precise enough? >> no. they are saying that they are not talking about that is what they're going to do, they are holding oversight hearings. yes, i think that congress serves an important purpose to do oversight hearings when necessary, but going to try to impeach joe biden, is that what voters want the republicans to do is to take control the house? no. >> speaking of impeachment, we have new news and a new sound buyout out tonight where trump was in iowa for grassley and kim reynolds. he articulated people again, my hand motions are all wrong i admit that, fully he was talking about the idea of getting ready to run. listen. >> in order to make our country successful and safe and glorious, i will very, very,

very probably do it again. very probably. [applause] >> very very very probably. are you convinced? a >> yes. if this is dueling panels, are banned shows are much better than theirs. i think that trump is done everything he needs to do to build the momentum to run again. i think that the news that you reported earlier with the department of justice leading into these investigations and appointing a special counsel, i think that may be reason enough for him to run, at least in the short term. to make some kind of announcement that he is doing. it because the sooner that he is doing it, it forces the doj to make some tough decisions. if you put off a decision about whether or not to run, i am not gonna decide until next year, he's going to get charged if they are going to charge him. they could do that very very quickly. >> is he very, very, very almost probably going to run? >> i have always assume that he

is going to run again. we have a lot of people trying to imitate donald trump. voters like what trump is selling, as always been the case. i think that if that anybody runs against him they will actually have a pretty easy time. people do not agree with me much, but i am very skeptical that even a ron desantis would have a bother to challenge him. he has a stranglehold on the party, and when your handed the nomination to potential challenge a very wounded incumbent president, you did not just pass that up especially if you are trump. you love being onstage. i am absolutely certain that he will be running. i am very confident that he will be running. >> you should say that you are very, very, very probably certain. it is a long list of words to describe what could be yes or no. alison. >> first of all, scott jennings is from kentucky. tell that to massachusetts boy over there. who does he think knows better

than -- >> i think you are making vast assumptions there. there are very rural regions of the greater boston area. >> where banjo music is played? >> we do consider berman an honorary right back in kentucky. >> i guess he does know banjo music [laughs] . >> alison, it is interesting you heard from trump is that the closest that he has got to say what he is going to do? that is a whole lot of words where he could've just said yeah i'm going to do, it or no i'm not going to. do it he just seems to be dangling the carrot, and i wonder if there's a stick coming. very trump ask to give something as indecisive as that. but i do want to tell you this laura, oprah winfrey has just endorsed fetterman in pennsylvania and it is interesting in this particular race because that means that she is not endorsing her protegee, dr. mehmet oz.

let's face it, she made him famous. >> it is true. that is really kind of stunning. also the y and the now? they are early voting there. they could vote right now, based on that endorsement, and not even wait till tuesday. but i wonder why there is been a push now. i wonder what that is being reflective us? i wonder doctor oz is thinking, oh to be a fly on the wall? >> let's play it seeking here oprah in her own words. >> i will tell you all this. if i was in pennsylvania, i would've already cast my vote for john fetterman for many reasons. >> that is all you get. you do not hear the specific reasons, but apparently there are many of them. >> when oprah says, i do not know how you can question it. i want to know what you all think about this tweet us at the laura coats and allison camerota. use the hashtag cnn sound off. we will be right back.

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so alison, tomorrow at winters head coverture's in san francisco, and the office all around the world, the doors are going to be locked and employee are going to be disabled. why? because elon musk, the self described chief twitch will be laying off about half of the workforce. >> half the workforce? and no one knows who. it is this ominous sweepstakes that they're going to be getting. basically in this memo, sent to twitter staff this evening. employees were told that quote, if your employment is not impacted, you will receive a notification via twitter email.

if you're employment is impacted, your will receive your next steps with your personal email. >> the memo also acknowledge that it will be quote a very challenging experience to go through, for the workforce. unquote. >> the sounds very harsh, for people to look at this and get these emails, and know that their bags are disabled. i know for many it is business as usual for some things, but this just seems like, what a complete about face? i am thinking this seems cruel in some respects. it's gonna be a sleepless night for thousands of people because what the memo says to staff is that by 9 am specific time on friday, everyone everyone >> will will receive a specific email for your role at twitter. euro it or and then you have to click on it to see if you still have a job or do i not our job. as you said laura, half of the

workforce will be laid off. what hannah's -- what elon musk has done in the few days since he has taken over has been really cataclysmic. i mean, people they've got mortgages. ran to pay. they've got childcare, they have their bills. i mean, i'm sad for the people who at 9 am we're thinking to themselves. what's next for me? unbelievable. we'll see what happens. >> okay, meanwhile we do want to get to this. because there are new developments tonight. in the murder of 22-year-old gabby patino. her parents have filed a 50 million dollar wrongful death lawsuit against the police department today. alleging that the police officers were negligent in those interactions that you have seen on the police body cam video. basically. those are the ones between gaby and her fiancée two weeks before her death. last summer. so the lawsuit accuses the police department and the officers of failing to follow the law and protect her during that investigation into a domestic disturbance in august. that was weeks before brian

laundrie killed her. so here with me now, with these latest developments, john law, -- we also cnn legal analyst jeff with us back. so, john, what do you see here with his lawsuit. because we've all seen that video. where she is, you know, sort of sequestered in this area. but being interviewed by police. brian laundrie is over here, and she is crying and upset and they flee. >> right, so, you have two officers. very polite. they seem compassionate. they act very professionally. but they are in a bit of a quandary. she has a scratch and blood on her face. she says, i hit him. he did not hit me. he grabbed my face after i hit him first. so, they are trying to figure out how do we resolve this? do we arrest her? even though she appears to might be the victim. do we arrest him? even though he agrees with the story that she had him? so they tried to split the difference by getting her to

agree to states somewhere else. take her to a hotel. figure that would give her a cooling-off period. and get her time to reach out if she wants to go home. and of course, it ends with her being dead. him -- >> but is that customary? did they handle that the way that the police would handle? it this is how the police were trained to handle? it >> so these were some of the most complex situations that police encountered because what you expect if you are perfectly trained in this, is passivity on the part of the victim. denial that anything happened. self blaming, it was my fault. those come with it. and at the same time, sometimes, those aren't the signs. so i think that they did the best that they could. this was reviewed by another police department. they sent the captain over. based from 100 miles away. and went over it and said, by utah law, and the procedure they should've taken action. which would have been, by the way, ally that might have been her them arresting her. or arresting if they decided that that was not the true

story. what they try to do with some kind of compromise. they hoped would resolve the situation. arresting her would've been counter intuitive, but by the book it said that there was an injury. and a sign of a bruise that, or an admission of abuse. and they had both in opposite directions. that they should've taken some action. that would have put it into the legal system. >> so, jen, legally does this lawsuit stand up for her family? >> so, you know it's hard to feel any kind of sympathy for the parents here. their daughter is dead, the killer is that, and wears any accountability? but it is a tough case. it's an uphill battle as a legal matter. you have to put negligence on the part of the police as we were just discussing. and you have to prove causation. that this was not the biggest factor in her death, but a factor in her death. that two weeks beforehand they did not separate them or do something that would stop them from getting back together. some of those events from moving forward, and stop her

death. that is very, very hard to do. so we will see what comes out and discovery. but, i think with the examinations that have come out to date. we know more what there is to know here. i'd be surprised to see if they turn up with evidence that would demonstrate both negligence and causation. >> it sadly so textbook. she is crying, she has a scratch, and she says this is all my fault. basically. >> right, that's the thing. it's not necessarily whether they when. it's this idea that they are encouraging cops to do better. right? there is so much domestic violence in america. and so many timed stops. this could save a life. so i almost think, if they are just getting police to do better with their training, to make sure that they stop more domestic violence. i mean, the job of police is to prevent crimes. right? here they had the opportunity to prevent a crime. so i almost feel like even if they do not when, what they are doing is spotlighting something very important. >> would she have been the one

arrested and taken? and should one of them have been arrested and taken? and if you watch, it with your vast experience, should she have been arrested? >> that would be the procedure in utah. that in this case, somebody should have been charged. but that was a finding of the review. i think that the police officers were struggling with what do we do with the victim who says, i'm not the victim. i started it. i hit him? and with him corroborating that story? there is also the difference of, all right, we're gonna take the action. because that is what the book says. but are we doing the right thing? and when we get a court they're going to say wait, you are arrested her? instead of him? or you arrested him? based on her statement? >> and you do want police to have discretion. don't you? do you want them to always go exactly by the book? or when they get, they're to feel it? out >> well, domestic violence is one of the most complicated areas. one of the reasons that they put into effect these must arrest laws. if you see a physical injury,

even if the clamp ain't won't press charges. is that the law has come to learn and understand that these things are hard, and they are often not what they appear. >> that is really interesting, take the guesswork out of it. that makes a lot of sense. thank you all very much, i appreciate all of the insights. so laura, that makes sense that the law takes the guesswork out of it for police. so that they don't have to try to figure out who is guilty in that exact moment that it failed her. >> i mean, i or used to prosecute domestic violence cases, alison, and it is such a difficult thing to do. i mean, you've got tempers, passions, you've got sometimes the most volatile scenarios. officers are often trained if they are responding to a domestic violence call. that there could be violence. there might be an opportunity to defend even themselves. when there's just so many aspects of it, and when you think about where we were in the search with gabby petito. as well as so many other people who had been missing and likely at the hands of those of the

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we are continuing our nightly focus on some of the key races that have decided control of congress. tonight it is battleground utah. cnn's senior data reporter harry anton is here at the magic wall for us. harry, what is the latest. >> hey alison, so tonight we are going to head out west.

we are going to head out to utah where we have a very interesting senate race the reason why it is interesting is, you will notice, there is no deal on the screen here. we have this incumbent senator here mike lee who is favored to win with 53 of the vote with emma with 43% of the vote -- even remember that emma utah was in fact his best state. he did not win utah than it does not look like he is going to win utah now. that being said mike lee is up in this race but that is not necessarily because utah voters like mike lee. if you look at their approval rating for mike lee among utah voters is just 41%. it's disapproval rating is at 39%. that would normally spell trouble for an incumbent, or at least a tight race, so why is it not a tight race in the state of utah? take a look at the party affiliation of utah voters. the clear majority of them, 52% are registered republicans. unaffiliated and other at 34%, democrats at 14%. even if you add these two

together, you still come short of republicans at 52%. if evan mcmullin did pull off the win, and the republican actually lost the senate race in utah, that be quite a lot of history. the last time that democrat won a senate race in utah was 1970. obviously mcmullin is not a democrat, but he is kind of the de facto one in this case. >> harry, thank you very much. very interesting. it so they do not love their senator, but they're going to vote for him. >> thinking about the idea that, we are talking about a battleground state, we think about the two party system. democrats and republicans, and here we have a state where the independent member, the independent candidate is saying that he will not even caucus for the parties, if he wins -- so what does that mean about the balance of power? that is the question everyone is asking right now. if an independent winds, does that mean that there is a sure majority we're? is schumer, mcconnell, who is a? >> good question. ask your guest. we will, our next guest is

here. so wonderful to lead that. in i love it. our next guest is actually utah democrats to abandon party this election and get back in independent candidate, evan mcmullin. joining us now is ben mcadams, former congressman for utah and mauro salt lake city. you've also been a state senator in utah, suffice to say you know that voters in utah. for a lot of people looking at this, they're saying hold on, why isn't there a democratic candidate. is it because they just wouldn't win? so throw your weight behind the possibility of anyone besides lightly mike lee? is that the thought? >> evan mcmullin is a known independent. he ran as an independent for president in 2016. people know him. democrats in my time i've never a -- i am 48 years old, usually we lose by 30 to 40%. so evan mcmullin gets in this race, i want to build a

coalition of democrats, independents, and republicans. and that coalition is coming to gather to the point where now we have a battleground state, and battleground race in the state of utah. i'm curious about how that balance power question to be resolved. he is said, i am not going to caucus if mcmullen were to win. he wouldn't caucus the democrats, the republicans, that is in contrast to say a bernie sanders, both of whom are independents but chose to caucus the democrats. that would not necessarily be the case. so does that factor into, factor into your decision to support him, and does it factor into the minds of voters? >> you know, utah democrats know that evan mcmullin is eight independent. we also know who mike lee is. mike lee conspired with president trump to insert fake electorate and try to overturn the will of voters. when i was going to utah democrats saying we should not have a candidate in this race, we should support somebody who's an independent, center right or conservative, i said

there is too much at stake to do anything different. we have seen efforts to overturn the election. and we do not know what is going to happen in 2024. utah democrats to come together to support a principled, independent who is going to listen to us sometimes. we are not always an agreement with evan mcmullin, but we know he is a person of integrity. we know he respects voting rights, he respects the constitution, and he is going to work to heal our democracy. that to me was an easy decision. we know where mike lee is going to be, we know who is going to caucus with, we know a policies he's going to support. but have somebody who is truly independent and is going to do right right for our country and the state of utah, that was an easy decision. >> let me ask, when people think about the democrats versus the republicans versus the independents, the word spoiler candidate can come up in some respects thinking about third-party. in reality, one of the things that people are thinking about here is the idea of being an independent candidate, that does not translate to not having a platform. to being neutral on all

subjects. it means that there is going to be a platform that he is putting forth, and that it's sometimes full degree agree with republicans or democrats, but it is not in lockstep with other party. right? >> that is right. you went through the numbers, you saw that democrats in the state of utah are 14% are registered voters. the sad reality, and it is hard for me to see it say this as a utah democrat, but a democrat would've been a spoiler in this race. by evan by -- joining evan mcmullin's coalition we have a chance. it is not that he does not have an opinion, he has strong opinions about things. he is spoken about the efforts to overturn the election, and what we need to do to protect the vote. he has spoken about marriage equality, climate change, to address inflation, to recognize that we are going to do more to expand access to health care. he has some really attractive positions, and yet he is approaching this as an independent who is willing to

work with republican and democrats. to bring people together to try to bring solutions. i've watched its campaign from a distance and up close, and i think he is inspiring candidate who has brought a lot of energy enthusiasm to this race and has inspired democrats, republicans, and independents to get bond as movement as him as an independent. it is put utah on the map, into nationally, as a state that is usually a sleeper now we have a competitive race that is getting national attention. >> he did have a pretty good showing in the 2016 race in utah. 21.3% of the votes, compared to clinton's 27%. trump obviously got 45. is that enough, given the polling, we saw harry anton talking about this, mike lee is still percent by 13 percentage points in the forecast. i'm wondering do you think, even though he is perform better in the past, he is performed well, and even though there are democrats who are throwing their weight behind him, is it enough to unseat an

incumbent? >> you know, we are feeling optimistic going into the election next week. we have seen a lot of energy from voters. democrats and independents, republicans, are energized and excited about this race. this is the race that six years ago mike lee won by 40 percentage points. probably spent $100,000 to win this race, walking away with it. now we see that republicans and right-wing groups spend $20 million to defend a u.s. senate seat in utah. we have a candidate that is energized modern voters, democratic voters, they are also turning out to vote in other critical races. we feel like we are feeling good going into election day that there is a chance that evan mcmullin pulled off a win. so regardless of what happens, we have shown that there is a lane here. we are holding accountable right wing leaders who are willing to cater to special interests and party bosses more than the people of america and

the people of utah. there is a lane to hold him accountable and make them have to work for their election and hopefully unseat them with people who are upset with the job that we've done as a senator. >> it put some perspective that levy with the 40% victory in the past, and now only have a 13% advantage at the time, still days to go before the election. congressman ben mcadams, thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. >> well now, the question is on another front, a very different one, why did to black radio hosts a hold the radio the trademark for white lives matter. we are going to tell you next. i was trying to refinance my mortgage. i went to check my credit score and i found a couple of inquiries that i had not initiated. within a few weeks of working with creditrepair.com, my credit scorwent up about 60 points.

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>> we want you to meet two black radio host from arizona who are taking action to stop the spread of the phrase, light lives matter. that is often use by -- and called her racist response to the black lives matter movement. the defamation lee called it a hate slur. and it most recently popped up on t-shirts designed by kanye west. >> so these radio hosts trademarked the phrase. rams is ja and clinton ward hosted the radio justice show, civic cipher. and they join us now. great to see you. so, ramsey's, i want to start with you.

what do you plan to do with these trademark of white lives matter? >> well, pleasantly i plan to do nothing. as you can imagine, we have lawyers advising us on how to best protect the trademark. so, it will not be used to hurt, harm, trigger and the people. and as long as we are the people in position to decide how it is used in commerce, we will do our best to minimize the effect that it may have on people. >> so just explain that. so you, by design, don't plan to do anything with it. and that means that nobody else can. is that the point? >> at present, yes. and just to make it clear, we did not purchase or pursue the mark. it was actually assigned to us. by one of our listeners. >> so one of your listeners got

the trademark anonymously, as i understand it. give it to you? >> yes. >> what i think is so fascinating about this. is. a lot of people don't realize that you have the right to trademark certain phrases in connection with a product in particular. and what was so ingenious, i think, about this original notion was if you trademark something. then obviously, it cannot be used by other people. you have to police that and make sure it's not being used. but it was the goal, i think that is so fascinating. i wanted to know about. because, you are a little bit concerned about being able to, and others being able to exploit this particular phrase. being able to profit off of it. and that was really the driving force why it was assigned, white was given in the first place. but speak to us a little bit about why it is so important to you? to have this not be able to be profited off of. in the time? >> yeah, i'll go first.

it is really about controlling who can profit from it. again, we have to be very careful about the language here. because, trade marks are a little tricky. but, in terms of how it feels to be at the helm of this moment. i can say that it feels good to see people's reaction to it. to see people feel like they have a reason to smile. you know, the past few weeks have been heavy for a lot of people. been trickling for a lot of people. so that feels good. and again, we're gonna do right by folks. >> yeah, i don't think about. it yeah. go ahead. >> i was gonna say, seeing that phrase on a t-shirt. imagine i would like to paint a picture, sitting on your porch and someone walking up to your home. with a confederate flag over one shoulder, a trump flag over the other shoulder, make america great again hats on. a t-shirt that says white lives

matter on the front. and says, slavery was a choice on the back. and imagine that person holding a bullhorn, and think through it, george floyd was not killed by police. but he died from a drug overdose. imagine how that would make you feel. and then explain to me, why i should feel different because the person rearing all of that stuff is a creative genius. >> yeah. >> the picture you painted very important. to that point, so many people have been asked to compartmentalize based on what you said. the idea that it is okay as long as somebody who is not white, is wearing it. or somebody who is able to be plotting for a very different aspect of it, that's more important for you to be able to remove the opportunity to capitalize off of that? >> exactly. again, we feel like, and in fact it's well documented that's the term white lives

matter rolls up in opposition to the affirmation that back lives matter. it is never been in question whether or not white lives have mattered in this country. it's a given. everyone knows that. we've felt in our community that we needed to say, black lives matter. particularly after the death of trayvon martin. and so, again, these other matter terms and phrases have been in opposition to that. to weaken the message, to dilute the movement and two just be contradictory in nature. to give other people talking points in a conversation when the phrase was originally intended to affirm our lives having value. and so, being at the home of something like this. being able to be able to be the decider feels very important. it is among the heaviest things that we've had to do as radio hosts. of a civil, you know, social

justice radio show. that we do because we believe in the greater good of all people. we believe that we can come together across cultural lines, racial lines, tribal lines. and have gone -- and grow. that's what we're trying to do. and we believe the moon mover and the position that we've taken will yield the most for the most people. that is our hope. and we're gonna promise it it right by everyone. >> and quickly, that picture that you painted of. you know. how off putting it was, what is your message to kanye west or ye as he goes by and candace owens who are the ones who wore that t-shirt so publicly? >> i'm actually glad you asked that question. because a lot of people who see the headline and the picture, assume that we had some personal beef or problem with kanye west. or yay. and we do not. we just do not like the hurt that comes from that message.

whether it be intentional or not. and we are trying to limit as much as we can, the amount of people that have to relive trauma, or be triggered, or feel pain from a message that had such negative intentions. >> rams is ja and clinton ward, thank you so much for explaining to us why you are hanging on to this trademark, and what your plan is. really important to talk to you about all of this. >> we appreciate your time. thank you so much. >> thanks guys. >> all right, on a much lighter note, 1.5 billion dollars. that's the power ball jackpot right now. and, if you think that they are getting bigger, you are not wrong. we're gonna talk about why there are billion dollar jackpots now, and what you buy with all of that. so, you can sound off now. hashtag, cnn sound off. >> and also we'll give you have! [laughs]

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