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keep donald trump in the white house. now why is this case so different than the hundreds of other cases facing alleged rioters in january 6th? two words, seditious conspiracy. that's a rare charge. it's one that has been put in the books around the time of the civil war, when the -- declared war on the government. it's one of the biggest threats to the u.s. government. and the alleged oath keepers are the first to stand trial for this accusation in more than a decade. to really understand this case, you have to understand who and what the oath keepers are. the group was founded by this guy, stewart rhodes, in 2009. rhodes is an anti government extremist. an army veteran, and a disbarred lawyer who accidentally shot at his own i several years ago. according to its former website, the oath keepers are a nonpartisan association of current and formally serving military, police and first

responders who pledged to fulfill the old all military police intake to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, unquote. translated, what that means is, they think they don't have to follow any orders from any government that they think is illegitimate, such as our current democratic we elected one. >> you got to declare everything that comes out of king biden's mouth as a legitimate and null and void from the inception, he's not a legitimate president. >> so, let's go inside the courtroom now and examine the case so far. prosecutors say that rhodes, along with kelly megs, jessica walk-ins, kenneth harrison and thomas caldwell, planned for and armed rebellion long before january six, and that they were prepared to do anything necessary to keep joe biden at the white house. prosecutors allege that members of the oath keepers attended rallies in d. c. in november and december of 2020 as, quote, tyrants.

here is what rhodes said in december 2020 at one of the events, as he tried to encourage president trump to fight to stay in office. >> if he does not do it now, while he is commander in chief, we'll have to do it ourselves later in a much more desperate, much more bloody war. >> much more desperate, much more bloody war. they were dressed for that bloody war the next month, january six. oath keepers decked out in full battle gear, seen moving through the mob purposefully, entering the capitol. prosecutors say that meg harrison and watkins are part of the stack formation, which joined a mob of people, some of whom were attacking police officers. -- a qrf, that's what it's called in the military. at a hotel inside washington d. c., with other members carrying firearms, standing by to join his bloody war, if necessary. prosecutors say those qrf teams

were coordinated in part by thomas caldwell, the fifth defendant on trial for now. today, the defense began to present its case, and we have gotten a glimpse into the strategy already. desensitize argue that oath keepers never had a specific plan on january six, and that rhodes never explicitly instructed the group to the capitol. the defense attorneys also say that the oath keepers were nonviolent during the right, and they themselves never called in their quick reaction forces, their qrfs. obviously, prosecutors disagreed. i think the oath keepers were conspiring for much more than they actually carried out on that day, hence the charge of seditious conspiracy. so what does that mean? what does the statute of the u.s. federal law? why does it exist? well, as i told you, it dates back to 1861 and the u. s. civil war. congress made it a crime to conspire to overthrow the u.s.

government or to conspire to use force to, quote, prevent, hinder or delay the execution of any law of the united states. the confederate insurrectionist failed, though it took four years to stop their armed rebellion. and the seditious conspiracy charge has really been used since. it was used notably in 1954 against terrorist pushing puerto rican independents. >> restless, fanatic violence erupted in the halls of congress. three men believed to be part of a puerto rican game, in 1950, attempted assassination of president truman, opened fire from the visitors gallery on the house of representatives. estimates of the number of

shots fired ranged from 15 to 30, and each bullet hole found as a grim reminder to those that were president of the terrible surprise attack. >> in that attack on the capitol, five congressman were shot and wounded, but thankfully, all survived. those suspects were convicted on charges of seditious conspiracy. the last time the justice department brought those charges and one the case was in 1995, when an egyptian clerk -- nine of his followers were convicted in a plot to blow up the united nations and other building. look, experts say that the broad nature of the seditious conspiracy law can be difficult to so to a jury. in 1988, a jury acquitted a group of white supremacy is

accused of plotting to overthrow the government and establish an all white nation. ten years ago, a judge just dismissed a case against a michigan militia, accused of plotting an attack on the forefront. all that raises the stakes for the justice department today. in this trial, against the oath keepers and its upcoming trial against a different far-right group, the proud boys. look, january six was crew in effort to stop the peaceful transfer of power, but prosecutors are going to have to prove and convince a jury that it was coordinated. as evidenced by the attack on paul pelosi last week or the attempted attack on a supreme court justice, brett kavanaugh, a few months ago, domestic extremist violence is a real threat. a study earlier this year from the anti-defamation league reveals, quote, right wing extremists willing to -- 26 extremist-related murders in the united states in 2021 and have been responsible for 75% of such murders in the last ten

years, unquote. this has been building for years. remember the unite the right gathering of racist and extremists in charlottesville? look, back in 2020, at the first presidential debate, our own chris wallace directly asked then president trump if he was willing to condemn white supremacists and far-right groups such as the proud boys. do you member trump's response? >> proud boys, stand back and stand by. >> stand back and stand by. justice department prosecutors say the evidence shows that these far-right groups were standing by. they were waiting for a green light to undermine democracy and allow trump to hold on to power. as the january 6th select committee -- there were connections between members of these far-right groups and folks in donald trump's orbit, people like roger stone or michael flynn. i asked trump's former communications director, alyssa farah griffin, why? >> the only reason you would be talking to those groups because you wanted a violent presence at the capitol that day. >> donald trump could today right now issue a clear and unequivocal condemnation of the oath keepers and the proud boys and what they tried to do that there. you'd think that condemning would be terrorists charged by the u.s. department of justice would seditious conspiracy would not be difficult. ask yourself, why hasn't he? do you member what the former

spokesperson for the oat h keepers for the january six committee a few months ago? >> if a president that is willing to try to instill -- encourage, to whip up a civil war amongst his followers using lies and deceit and snake oil, and regardless of the human impact, what else is he going

to do if he gets elected again? >> opening statements in the oath keepers trial were given exactly one month ago. one person who has been covering every step in this trial is cnn sarah sidner, who joins us right now. sarah, thank you for joining. >> thank you. d states government? >> very compelling. there are mountains of evidence. we have heard from about a half dozen fbi agents talking about everything from where their phones were and having to paying the phones. we've heard from capitol police officers like jerry dunn, who talked about the fact that the oath keepers defenses trying to say that they're trying to help him, that that was not the case, in any way, shape or form. some of the most compelling has been from former oath keepers themselves.

one of whom was there that day and has pleaded guilty himself to seditious conspiracy, who basically said, look, i am sorry, now looking back, and this is a quote, he said, i was acting like a traitor against my own country. taken down upon himself as a member of this group that went into the capitol. he said, look, the three people he knows one into the capitol from this group of oath keepers thought of it like a bastille day, so clearly, they were trying to do something to stop the government from going forward, starting with their own revolution in their own minds. but i think the star witness just from my time watching this case is the words of the defendant themselves, because they have it on signal. they have it on their social media accounts. they have in their text messages, and they have secret recordings of the group talking about what they are going to do as this date march is closer and even after january six. what they wanted to tell the president, the leader himself,

stewart rhodes, and it was a very violent filled rhetoric about what they thought of joe biden winning the election. >> so interesting. you have been coming here group cnn for years and years and years. it's a tough bid to cover, i know, you and i have talke d about it. how significant was the election of donald trump and donald trump's refusal to concede? how much is that a pivot point for these groups? >> so, it really does go back, and i hate to see this, but we saw a spike in rhetoric and he crimes actually when president obama, especially and his second election. we saw those numbers start to march up. the oath keepers themselves, for example, they were founded in 2009. what was that year? it was the year after the first

black president got into office, and there are a lot of groups that look at extremism and can correlate that with why this group suddenly emerged and away that emerged with the kind of backing it emerged with its members. that being said, pandora's box was already there. these feelings were already there. president trump and just helped open the box, maybe he blew the lid off the box, and then you saw a combination of the ungenerous six, but all of those feelings, they're still there. this is not over. that might have been the beginning, we don't know, but it's still part of the rhetoric that i see every day on all kinds of different social media sites that these far-right ideologues are on. >> sara sidner, thank you so much, appreciate it. excellent reporting as always. a prominent republican will join us in a moment. senator tom cotton, who wrote a book about reversing what he calls a left plot to sabotage american power. the left after we just addressed the farmers clear attempt to sabotage the balance of power and transfer of power in january. we have a lot to talk about with senator tom cotton, including 2024. that is next, stay with us.

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with five days until at the time elections, candidates around the country make their final pitches to voters, the ones who haven't voted already early. among those hitting the chill from republicans, gop senator tom cotton of arkansas, who's been campaigning with dr. mehmet oz in pennsylvania and herschel walker in georgia, j. d. vance in ohio. senator cotton also has a brand-new book called only the strong, reversing the left plot to sabotage american power. he gives his take on how democratic presidents all the way back to woodrow wilson have been staring the country down the wrong path when it comes to military and foreign policy issues. he writes, for example, quote, america's recent decline is not an accident, it's declined by design for more than a century. the bill democrats applauded to

sabotage american power. these democrats believe that you can see a strong confident america brings us -- senator cotton joins us now here in studio. thank you for being here, good to have you here. it's a pointed book. is that fair to say, you think? it's a pointed book? >> i had a lot to get off my chest. >> it's very sharp criticism about democrats, and i knew you were very conservative, i don't think i fully realized how, this contempt in okay where do you, how much contempt you had for these policies. i wonder, does it make it difficult to work with senate democrats given how strongly you feel that they stand for all these wrong things? >> no, not at all. yet they go with senators every day. one day sunday will be your adversary, the next, your ally. that's not an issue. going back 100 years which will soon as i outlined, he was the first president to openly repeat the declaration and constitution -- unelected bureaucrats trying to set the course for our country. >> segregated to, he was a

horrible races. then he like resegregate a? >> the left can take his name off of the buildings because of that, but they can take his ideas out there moment. you still see that today domestically, but you see it abroad as well. when he declared war on germany shortly after his reelection, i was not for any other good reasons to declare war on germany, the founding fathers decided. germany conspiring with mexico to seize territory in the west or killing americans -- or interrupting our economy here in america because of unrestricted submarine warfare, it was on behalf of african ideals. he famously said, that we will make the world safer for democracy, and i would suggest that there is one word missing for that, and i think our founders would have suggested the -- >> american? >> we should make the world safer for america's democracy. >> it's a lot of point of criticism that democratic presidents dating back to wilson all the way through to president biden today. fdr and truman were president during the allies victory in world war ii, obama, oked the mission to go kill a sum of bin

laden. you said that to criticize biden -- but you don't really give obama the credit, there are some things that democratic presidents -- >> they don't get everything wrong, obviously. the older presidents in the 20th century are better than the more recent ones, especially the post vietnam presidents. even with fdr and truman, they cut the defense budget badly. our army was smaller than portugal's army ever to. >> then they crank it back up? >> same thing for the green war. we deployed our troops into the korean war woefully unprepared and under trained, but really starting with jfk and his misnomer that jfk was a strong president. he was a disaster as a foreign policy president but then especially at the vietnam when the left turned not just on america's founding but on america itself, then you begin to see a steady erosion of american power throughout democratic presidencies of jimmy carter, bill clinton and especially breakup alma. >> one thing to us interested since you bring up vietnam, i was interested to read your criticism of the new york times for publishing the pentagon papers, which were leaked to

the times by daniel ellsberg, who thought that the war was not winnable, and that the leaders were hiding this from the public, and the public had a right to know. you first had to bring it to members of congress, they did not want to do it, so then they went to the press. here's the thing, you're also so critical, and i am not saying wrong of jfk and lbj and how they waged a war in vietnam. what's wrong with the new york times bringing the failures of these democratic administrations to them, to the public, so that they can see what was really going on? you're a veteran, you know how many americans died in vietnam when the generals did not think the war was winnable, but they did not have the guts to tell the commander-in-chief or to tell the country.

>> it just another example of the new york times putting itself in a position of judging what classified information should and should not be revealed, which is not its position. >> the supreme court sided with them. >> they said that the new york times cannot be subjected to a prior restraint. they said that you could have consequences at the defect. >> didn't the public at the right to know about these feathers that you criticize? us >> at the pentagon papers themselves, there were a lot of revelations there. a lot of it was well known to the public. it did not show that the war was on a one double. once restriction became president, and he took the handcuffs off of our motor, we in effect had the war won by 1973. we had stabilized the situation. the vehicle them have been destroyed as a fighting course. ho chi minh's army had no longer -- it was only when he was weakened by watergate,

democratic congressman began to cut funding, including a young senator joe biden, that we have an absolute disaster in south vietnam, when we had helicopters lifting off our embassy there in 1975. >> on that subject, you compared that to the box withdrawal from afghanistan under the biden ministration. i want to share with you something that a fellow veteran republican congressman adam kinzinger tweeted. he said, i blame both trump in the moment coming in and biden for the botched ending. i'm not picking sides because both sides had failed to. it's the truth about afghanistan. do you hold president trump accountable at all for that peace treaty that he and secretary pompeo negotiated with the taliban, which biden inherited any might remember, trump wanted to have to taliban leaders come to camp david near the anniversary of 9/11? >> it's president biden who is responsible for what happened last year in afghanistan. as i write, that agreement was not without flaw, but it was based on conditions on the ground that the taliban was not

meeting in 2021. i think a lot of what happened in 2021 is that joe biden had a chip on his shoulder going back to 2009, that barack obama had sided with military advisers like stanley krystal and they bitterness and add a trip to afghanistan. >> and bob -- gates >> illegal in and everyone else, joe biden was the one person in 2009 who kept poisoning the well between president obama and senior military leaders saying you have to get out, you can't do this. he >> he thought the generals are jamming him. >> he wanted to prove that he was right. we had numerous instances of testimony at the collapse of afghanistan last year of secretary austin and general milley and general mackenzie and others saying that their best advice is that they would keep a small contingent in afghanistan, that we keep civilian contractors that to keep the afghan air force flying, so that they can provide air cover for the afghan troops. even most of the advisers, my understanding is in the white house and state department, advised joe biden -- >> but you don't hold trump responsible for it. you say it's a flawed treaty? >> in the end, it was joe biden's decision as commander in chief last year.

>> first of all, this underlines why he should be coming on cnn more, so that we can have these conversations because it's good to -- not just on fox or in arkansas. i know that you will not announce much of that you're running for president in 2024, but two quick questions. does trump's decision as to whether or not he run, will put up any role in whether you decide, and you think you'll make a good president? >> i'll just say two things, first, we have an election five days from now, and that's where my focus is. there will be a time out the election to think about the 2024 election, but anyone who thinks that they can be president and wants to run for president should check out a copy of only to strong so that they can learn how to restore american power. >> your publisher will be very happy with the. i'm interested to see what your amazon rank is. please come back, it's good to see you, senator, best your wife and boys, really appreciate it. coming up, some serious questions still need answering after another deadly school shooting. the teenage gunman who shot a biscoe in st. louis last week was once blocked by the fbi, by the background shirt system from buying a semiautomatic rifle. so why was he able to purchase one? why wasn't law enforcement informed that he tried to do

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two people, one student, one teacher, shot and killed in a school in st. louis, this is the 67th school campus terrorized by gunfire this year alone and united states.

in are far to retain analysis, one part we don't pay enough attention to is this. >> the information we have at the current time is that they were legally purchased firearms. >> it was legally purchased. >> all indications are that there were purchases legally. >> once again, it's in st. louis, a suspect was 19. he was legally an adult. he had no criminal record, you might hear that and they, of course, he's a lot of bygone, there's nothing that could've prevented this from happening, but that is not accurate. as cnn contributor and founder of the website the reload, stephen can task you point out, by the police departments on telling of events, it appears the st. louis shooter committed at least two crimes before he opened fire last week at the central visual and performing arts high school, crimes that should have led to police actions that could have prevented the shooting.

for the first one, the shooter tried to buy a gun, but he felt the federal background check, likely after lying on the back on track form. that's a crime. the st. louis police commissioner michael sectors like the answer as to why he felt the buck on check, despite his lack of a criminal record. >> he has no prior criminal history. >> multiple involuntary mental health commitments would have flagged the shooter as a prohibited person, in other words, someone who could not legally buy a gun and federal law makes it a crime for not -- someone not allowed to own a weapon to even attempt by one. local police should have been alerted as soon as he was flagged on october 8th fulfilling that back on track while trying to buy a gun. you see, there's a new federal law passed in march, it required the fbi to report every failed background check to local police. that does not appear to have happened here. according to the st. louis post

dispatch the shooter initially tried to buy a gun from a licensed dealer in nearby st. charles missouri, but he was turned down. the st. charles police, they say they were never notified about a failed back on check. the fbi never told him. but they have done something different if they had heard that someone who failed it because trying to buy a gun? . we don't know, but we do know the fbi apparently got the ball here. it appears that the shooter was able to buy a gun to a private sale, which is not require a background check in missouri, and that brings us to our second crime likely committed before last week's attack. the shooter had a gun. police were called to his house earlier this year by his own family, who is worried about him having that weapon. >> they were aware that he had acquired a firearm.

they worked with our department to transfer that to an adult who could legally possess one. the st. louis police officers earlier this year could have arrested the shooter then for even having a weapon, because he was on the prohibited persons list, but they didn't. we don't know if they even knew about him falling back on track when they got to his house, but we know this trail of missed warning signs is all too common. there were red flag laws in place that should have kept a gun at the hands of the suspect in that buffalo resist attack on the grocery store it may, which saw ten innocent people shot and killed, just like there were background checks laws in place in highland park illinois, where the shooter nonetheless got the guns legally and murdered seven people on the fourth of july. time at the time, the laws appear to be there, the tools appear to be there, but they're not being used by law enforcement. all these warning signs are falling through the cracks. it's an area where there needs

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arizona governor, katie hobbs message to voters is clear, democracy, she says, is on the ballot. it's a message former president obama tried to drive home while campaigning with hobbs today. >> and if you've got election deniers serving as a governor, as your senate there, as their secretary of state, as sara turner general, then democracy as we know it may not survive in arizona, that's not an exaggeration, that is a fact. >> i mean, he is right, but days after up from the midterm elections, hobbs is locked in a statistical dead heat with her opponent, election liar kari lake. the race has led many democrats to wonder why hobbs has given lake an opening by refusing to debate her ankle her last face to face. katie hobbs, the secretary of state from arizona joins us now. secretary hobbs, thank you for joining us. i get not wanting to amplify lakes rhetoric or provide her a platform, but she has a platform, she's got one anyway. even if you don't debate her,

she still got one from the tv stations. and she's brand of you a coward for refusing to take the stage with her, then if the facts and truth, doesn't require debating? >> i don't agree with that, i have been continuing to stand up for the facts and truth during my tenure as secretary of state pushing back on all this election denialism since the 2020 election. and on the camp intro. the fact this, in this point in the game, were five days off on the election, i am not second guessing any decision we made. i am proud of the campaign that we are running, i am confident in the campaign were running, and we knew this race was going to be tight. it is not surprising to me that we're in a dead heat. it will be a clock. >> he receiving criticism from some interim party, congressman tim ryan, running for senate in ohio, he's a democrat, he was asked about your refusal to debate your opponent. take a listen. >> have some guts, have some

guts. look, you have to lead. this moment right now is calling for leadership. it's calling for citizenship. you need leaders who can go into an environment like the fox news town hall as a democrat and say, we got to love each other, we got to care about each other, we need forgiveness, we need reconciliation, we need to reform, we need grace, and it starts by leaders going into an apartment saying, i understand if concerns, to talk about them. >> zero? >> >> we'll, if kari lake should any inclination to actually have a substantive conversation about the issues, perhaps, he would be right, but she is only interested in creating a spectacle, and i have made the decision to make my case directly to the voters. i have done several town halls, and i've done several in-depth interviews with media, and we're continuing to take it on the road and talk directly to voters. that's the choice we made, and tim ryan can run his own campaign, and or running ours. >> she has said that if she had been governor, in 2020, she would not have certified the results in arizona, and you had a republican governor at the time, you still do, governor doocy, and he did certify the

election. she says so many false things while untethered crazy things, telling almost half of arizona i don't respect your votes if you don't vote for me, if you don't vote for republicans. why is this so close? >> arizona is a battleground state. it means every single race is a battle. every single statewide nominee on the republican side isn't elections there, and every single statewide races close, even more kelly's. >> this week, a federal judge in her state, in arizona,, impose new restrictions on a -- blocking members from openly carrying guns or carrying body armor within 250 feet of voting dropbox. speaking to her, yelling at voters are dropping off ballots in the state, how concerned are you about the impact the so-called activists might have on intimidating voters actually casting their ballots? >> i think that is exactly the

outcome to looking for, so we are incredibly concerned about it. we were preparing for the possibility of this, and have acted on every referral that has come to our office, we can sure we are referring it to the proper authorities, for investigation, it's critical that these matters are investigated, and acted on quickly. i'm grateful for the judge for implementing the restraining order of activities, but we're still vigilant and making sure that voters know what the options are to vote safely, to make sure that they can pass the ball in a way that is free from intimidation or harassment and thankfully in arizona, we have a lot of options. we continue to have a reporting form on our website, it will continue to report these incidents as we learn of them. >> so in addition to being the democrat gubernatorial nominee, you're the secretary of state of arizona, which means you're in charge of supervising this election. there are calls that you should

recuse yourself from overseeing the election given the fact that you are running for governor. it's not just from waco's, recently former arizona secretary of state, democrat and republican, have said to avoid even the appearance of a conflict, you should recuse. but in addition to the, we know kari lake and st. louis will only accept election results if she once, take a listen. >> i will win the election and accept it result because people of arizona will never support and vote for a coward like kiddie hubs. >> i realized that she is not there, but given all the insanity out there, might the election results be tougher for her to challenge if you do in fact work yourself former secretary of state duties, specifically having to do the congress, might that be the most prudent thing to do? elected secretaries of states in arizona have overseen elections where they are on the ballot since day. this is never been an issue until now. i am not going to recuse

>> i realized that she is not there, but given all the insanity out there, might the election results be tougher for her to challenge if you do in fact work yourself former secretary of state duties, specifically having to do the congress, might that be the most prudent thing to do? elected secretaries of states in arizona have overseen elections where they are on th e ballot since day. this is never been an issue until now. i am not going to recuse myself from the job that the voters elected me to do, and for which i took an oath of office to

uphold the constitution of the united states and the constitution and laws of the state of arizona. i have done that throughout my tenure as secretary state, and i will continue to do that until i leave office on january sergeant. kari lake is the one -- >> go-ahead -- >> carry that is the one who has based her entire campaign on these false promises of election fraud, and she is making these calls from my recusal to distract from her extreme positions and to distract on the fact that she is actually the one who wants to dismantle democracy in our state and country. >> secretary of state katie hobbs, thank you for joining us, and show you next five days on the campaign trail. >> thank you. >> did democrats get to constable banking on rove ember? my next guest pulled off a big upset in a special election this summer after seizing on the uproar over the overturning of roe v. wade, but that does not appear to be on top of voters minds anymore, at least not enough voters. the economy is the number one issue. so this congressman pat ryan still think he can win tuesday with roe meant them fading, that is coming up. eed. contestants ready? go! only pay for what you need. jingle: liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.

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can be part of your story. [applause] when the supreme court ripped away reproductive freedoms, access to abortion rights, we said that this is

not what america stands for. >> i was barely two months ago when democrat pat ryan pulled off what seemed a surprising special election victory in new york swing district. this field democrat hopes that abortion rights could be a winning issue in the midterm elections, as ryan made it the focus of his campaign. but in the weeks since, we showed you repeatedly have concerns have shifted far more towards the economy and fears of a recession. can congressman ryan win with the same message in his newly drawn congressional district? let's bring him in and ask him. democrat pat ryan of new york joins me. congressman, for four months, democrats were hopeful of a blue wave in the wake of overturning roe v. wade, some called rove ember. it seems unlikely, highly out of reach. you think your party, the democratic party has been to cut the boat banking on that issue and the issue of democracy when this much more salient issue at the economy and inflation and reverse -- recession fears was more on voter minds? >> thanks for having me, jake. what i am hearing is that

people can be worried about multiple things that once. right now, but america's wants to deliver on our to fight for their rights, their fundamental rights, including reproductive rights, voting rights, lgbtq rights and also to deliver relief, and it's not talked about as much with the press, but we had both of those messages of full steam ahead in our special election, fighting for your rights and delivering relief, so tha t messages continue to be president, not just here, but across the country, and i think we will continue to see that momentum. look, when a fundamental

american freedom is ripped away from how the country, american stood up in kansas and new york and alaska, and they are going to do it again in november. i am confident that. >> but you've seen the polling indicating that a lot of the voters that i would think somebody like you and a lot of democrats need to turn out for you, specifically, white suburban women, have been shifting, independent women, shifting to the republican camp, at least according to polling? >> i got to say, with all respect to the pollsters, they were so far wrong in my race, and they have been consistently wrong for years and years now. we have to start listening to people on the ground, which is what i have been doing and candidates across the country, not the pollsters. it might special election, everyone said we were going to lose. we never were leading in any of the dozen plus polls, and we won because we stood up and said, we are fighting for something. we are fighting to protect shared american freedoms and my opponent stood for absolutely nothing except for fear and division and delivering no results, that is what we have

to continue to keep our head down, talk about delivering a belief and fighting for rights. >> your new opponent, republican state assembly member, colin schmidt, as joined other republicans in pushing a tough on crime message. he's trying to tie you to new york's contentious bail laws, which limits the ability of judges the set cash best for accused criminals. it's what the gop and some democrats have blame for the rising crime rates. what is your counterargument? >> look, we always see this. a desperate attempt to divide us and to incite fear, rather than to be forcibly and brutally bree's together. i don't people see data. am i special election once again, we were outspent 4 to 1, the same message these lies and deceptions about records on

crime and public safety -- look, i have one dina form in combat, i am a proud west virginia graduate. i served two tours in iraq. i know what it means to keep people safe, both day my last job as a local elected official and in congress to increase funding to law improvement, as i've done. i think people see right through this bs and this division, and again, it's about being for something, giving people to come out -- to come out for rather than continuing to be so cynical and negative and devices. >> all right, democratic congressman, pat ryan, thank you, joe you're next five days on the campaign trail. >> all right, thanks, jake. >> we'll be right back. it's nice to unwind after a long week of telling people how liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need! (limu squawks) he's a natural. only pay for what you need. ♪liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.♪

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there's so much for joining us tonight, you can follow me on facebook, instagram and twitter at jake tapper. that's right, i deleted tiktok, i did. tomorrow, actress kerry washington will be here. she's working to get people out of the polls. the midterms are five days away. tomorrow, it will be four days away. that's tomorrow at 9 pm eastern.