there's so much for joining us tonight, you can follow me on facebook, instagram and twitter at jake tapper. that's right, i deleted tiktok, i did. tomorrow, actress kerry washington will be here. she's working to get people out of the polls. the midterms are five days away. tomorrow, it will be four days away. that's tomorrow at 9 pm eastern.

our coverage now continues now with luminous laura coates and alisyn camerota. -- i did it and i did it because national security experts kept coming on the show and saying, delete the tiktok, the communist chinese government controls it, they have access to everything, so i did. >> we will you be lit sinking and dancing tomorrow? >> i don't do that, i never did that anyway. >> oh, me thinks the lady doth protest too much. just kidding, i know you did not. -- i was looking at it and would see it but i never actually did anything with it. i don't feel that badly any longer if it's going to be going away anytime soon. >> it's kind of dumb because -- i just feel like everyone is surveilling me on my phone now anyway, that's why the whole think about ships in the vaccine is so stupid. bill gates does not need to put chips in your body.

all these people follow you around on your phone. but that said, national security people kept saying, deleted, deleted, to delete it. so, i deleted it. >> are we having a paranoia segment on the show today? or no? >> if jake has the feeling that lots of people are watching him, it's because it is true right now. >> very nice, very nice. >> i don't know, jake, you our thrusting me into a moral conundrum, as usual, because now, maybe i should do that. >> i am not telling you what to do, i just wanted to explain too anybody watching as to why i don't say you can follow me on the tiktok, because i don't have the tiktok anymore. >> the queens english, i see. >> that may happen to. interesting -- >> i do whatever you do, as you know, i guess by the end of the show, i might do that as well. okay, goodbye, jake. >> bye goodbye awesome ladies. >> good evening, i am laura coates in washington. >> and i am alisyn camerota in washington.

new york. , this is cnn tonight. political heavy hitters from president biden to hillary into former president donald trump, they're all on the current -- senator ron johnson's says he will not commit to accepting the results of the race. he says he wants to see how it all plays out. is it 2020 all over, again alisyn? >> it's never stopped being 2020, unfortunately. -- i'm going to interview transportation secretary pete buttigieg about -- democracy in danger is working. >> in five days, five days to to go -- and until the most important elections in our lifetime. that's not hyperbole. it will shape what the next two generations look like, i joke. because so much is changing, so much. it is clear that this is not a referendum. this is a choice. a choice between two vastly different visions of america. >> joining me now is transportation secretary pete buttigieg. mr secretary, thank you for

being with us, good to see tonight. >> thanks for having me on. >> so, midterms, less than a week away, as you know the republicans message seems to be crime is bad, inflation is high. and those are simple for voters to get their heads around. president biden's closing message is basically that democracy is in peril, which is powerful, but less tangible. do you think that is the most effective message for president biden? >> look, we are walking and chewing gum at the same time in this administration. and from a policy perspective, we have got to and want to talk about the economy as well as our democracy. it is incredibly important to defend our democracy because democracy is what makes america america. if we lose it, it's just another country. it's also important to do the right thing for our economy, especially with inflation and prices as high as they are.

>> i hear you, but in terms of messaging, i think that president biden by our count mentioned the economy and inflation once last night. but mentioned democracy and democracy being in peril and possibly losing it many times, so just in terms of messaging, should he be saying more of what you just said? >> again, we are doing both. the president decided to see a speech about the marchesi, democracy which is an important topic, and most of the time, when you see him speak, you'll see him talk a lot about the economy. that is an important topic. the idea that you have to pick one, when we are in a moment where the american people strongly believe in the things we are doing. i don't think it makes any sense to say, we had to do one of the exclusion or the other. we are passionate about an economic policy that is focused on cutting costs for every family. we are also passionate about democracy which should not be a partisan issue. it shouldn't require being a democrat or a republican to say if you are running in an

election, you ought to be prepared to abide by the results of the election, just like there should be nothing partisan about universal swift condemnation and nothing else when it comes to an assassination attempt on a member of a family of a political figure in this country, no matter what party to come from. >> given everything you laid out, all of the accomplishments in the biden administration that you can all be proud of, from infrastructure to the inflation reduction act, why aren't democrats pulling better? >> look, i think we're a country that is facing a lot of headwinds, and i don't get up in the morning and study what the polls are. we get up in the morning and go out there to solve problems for the american people. but what we have found in terms of public satisfaction and public expectations is that the american people agree with us and disagree with republicans when it comes to the congressional republican agenda to go after social security and

medicare. americans agree with us that allowing medicare to negotiate description drug prices was the right thing to do. they disagreed with congressional republicans who voted with big pharma on social issues. the american people agree with us that roe v. wade was the right framework or at least the this framework that we had and disagreed with the effort that the increasingly successful effort by congressional republicans and their appointees to take away a woman's right to choose. and on issue after issue, this administration in our actions and policies is better aligned with the american people than anything we are seeing put forward by the other side. and i do think it is important for us to be leaning in on the issues that a lot of our critics raised, whether it's inflation, immigration or safety, because if you take one moment to get -- cut through the rhetoric, it turns out, they're not really putting forward any solutions or ideas. >> let's talk thanksgiving travel.

so, in this just released data, airline passenger complaints were up 320% in just the month of august. that's compared to pre-pandemic levels, so what's the problem and what's been done to fix it? >> that's right, we had terrible cancellations and delays across the system over the summer which led to our offices receiving record number of complaints from travelers who had been stuck, stranded, canceled or delayed. by the way, so we'll times this summer, that included me, sometimes a day after having an engagement with airline leaders on how they were dealing with this issue. the next morning, we get up and find my own flight delayed or canceled. the good news is that we've seen a dramatic drop in cancellations and delays since the summer. i think a lot of that is because steps we have been urging airlines to take, like more realistic scheduling and continuing to push on hiring and staffing. we're better off than we were this summer. i am concerned as we head into thanksgiving travel that we're not completely out of the woods

and really need to keep pushing to ensure that we have an aviation system that can handle all demand. i would add to our department has created and dashboard, because we found that transparency is one of the things that seems to have a very powerful effect on the airline behaviors and choices. you can go and see side by side comparisons of how the different airlines will respond, how they will treat you, if you do have an issue. will they get you a voucher for a hotel or a meal -- will they offered to put you on another airline to get you on your way. you can go to our website to see what they will do, and if they don't follow the rules, especially on things like refunds, you can also go to our website to file a complaint and, we will have your back. >> transportation secretary pete buttigieg, thank you very time tonight. >> thank you. >> really interesting interview alisyn, the idea -- i mean, thank, i will be home for thanksgiving. but the travel troubles, they continue. everyone is thinking about this, especially because people have spent the better part of two years and more waiting for a chance to truly reunite and

last year was part of it, but now you have this again. >> it sounds like they are on top of it. it sounds like they are already dealing with airlines about how to speed things up, and they are aware of the problem. but in terms of what they are saying about the midterms, i thought it was interesting to hear his message versus president biden's message. because what secretary buttigieg says are demonstrably true, democrats have done all those things, but for voters, as we know, from our voter panels and everyone we talked to, the idea of crime is just more visceral and i guess in they're realigns and in there imaginations more tangible and intense. so, everything he is saying is true, i just don't know if infrastructure, people feel as strongly about. >> certainly, you can only make so many attack ads about infrastructure as opposed to thinking about crime. people have a visceral reaction

to not feeling safe. as much as we talk about the theoretical, which is if the democracy safe -- people are more concerned about what they see time and time again. i want to talk to my panel about this, what they take about a as well. alisyn, we have cnn's john berman here, cnn political commentator. -- commentator ashley allison and brandon buck, a former top aide to paul ryan and john boehner. and that idea of where things stand and in terms of the messaging, let's listen to what president biden had to say when he was asked whether or not his message was actually getting through to democrats, it's a quick one, listen. >> mister president, is your message going through to the american voters? >> yes. >> is it that simple? he said yes and a thumbs up, is that it, are we done, no conversation? >> he probably does not have one message. he has four or five messages. and this is a basic political politics communications 101. you have to hammer a message over and over again, and in the final weeks, he's talking about democracy, talking about republican cut to social

security, out of nowhere. he's talking about abortion, you have to focus on one thing or two things and say it over and over again. he's all over the place. what he is not talking about as much as the economy, by far number one issue. you're not even on the playing field on the one issue that most people have said, this is what i will vote about. >> but is it out of nowhere? you've got senator rick scott and senator ron johnson talking about the prospect of having to vote on these issues time and time again and year after year. he's talking about that. >> joe biden has not talked about social security in months. that came out over the summer, we talked about it a bit in a went away. now he's trying to revive it in the last minute. any political operative will tell you, it can take a month or two to move voters based on message penetration. you need to talk about it for a long time, and they have not done there. so, yes, this is out of nowhere in the last minute, but i am more surprised that he has not figured out a good economic message overall, because that is what people have said that i am voting on, the economy, and right now, they trust republicans more than democrats on this issue.

but john, he said yes. >> what else is he going to say? he's going to say, i don't know, or maybe, or gosh, i hope. pete buttigieg was interesting to me. pete buttigieg there, he looked a little sleepy there. maybe because he has young twins -- >> he's a tired parent. >> i get that, but i think he seemed as if he was tired trying to make the case that the administration is talking about the economy. did you see how you got that word economy in within the first ten words, the question was about democracy, and then it was people who says, yeah, but we're also doing the economy. he's trying. biden has tried to get that economic message out there, they are trying to wedges him wherever they can because it is by far the number one issue -- but i will say this, the democracy thing, i don't think it should surprise any of us that joe biden is finishing up an election going back to democracy. it is absolutely the issue, which got him into the presidential race to begin with.

it was charlottesville which he says -- and i fundamentally do believe that one is pushed him over the edge to run in 2020. >> battling for the soul of the nation? >> battling for the soul of the nation and democracy, that is why i think he may run for reelection, if trump runs again. i think biden will run again because he sees himself as the last barrier between trump coming back. he thinks he is the -- >> not just trump, listen to what ron johnson had to say today. he is fighting for the notion that not everyone running is saying, you know what, the results, be them as they may, i will stand by them. listen to what senator johnson said, it was pretty iffy, as they say. >> i sure hope i can, but i cannot predict what the democrats might have planned. we're not trying to do anything to gain partisanship advantage, we're just doing whatever we can to restore confidence. it sure seems like there is an awful lot in the past, a lot attempt on the part of

democrats to make it easier to cheat. we want to make it easier to vote and very hard to cheat. >> ashley, on that, given statements like this, is that more of a persuasive reason for president biden to be focusing on the mark a sea imperil over highlighting the economy, maybe crime, other issues, rove ember as they say? >> i think president biden is talking about it all. and i think he should because i don't think -- -- we are beyond the single issue voter days of our country, and i think that people want to talk about because people multiple things going on in the there lives. i do think because of what a kari lake, a ron johnson, you name the two thirds of republicans on the bout that are election deniers, it is a requirement for the president talk about the stake of our democracy. that should not be a republican issue or democratic issue. we just need to speak facts. the people who are guarding

drop boxes are not democrats, they are proud boys, they're oath keepers, they are people who identify as maga republicans, and we need to name a thing that thing, and regardless of what letter you had by your name or what person you want to vote for, we cannot stand for the crumbling of our democracy and what could potentially happen in 2020, what happened on -- on january -- excuse me, 2022, what happened on january 6th in 2021. >> alisyn -- thought that it's just democrats who are concerned about democracy in peril. but we talked about this in the past and it really seems to be that both republicans and democrats according to the way it structured, are fearful of democracy being in challenged, being in peril. but for different reasons. you got democrats saying, look i'm concerned, some of --

i'm concerned you are going to steal the election. the same sort of and results conclusion, but from very different perspectives. you wonder though, is this hitting it with voters? is that what they are thinking about before election day? or is that what a worry about wednesday? >> i mean what you're so right, they do it differently. >> they do. >> as you just heard from senator ron johnson there. my big question is what is berman doing in d.c.? is he just avoiding it that? what is he doing in d. c.? >> you know i just don't want to say it to you. he was talking -- >> there is this big election, i'm told. [laughs] >> i don't know when it, is five days, for? days we keep doing the countdown, every ten minutes, five days, four days. there was an election i'm down here to get ready for the election! >> wow, you're getting in position very early! >> i'm not choosing between a laura and you. it's a referendum -- >> and yet -- >> i think your friendship is in peril. >> [laughs] i think you're right, laura there he is, there he is in d.c.. >> i know how to put it. >> all right, well more on that

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politicians just speaking but don't act, either they talk to their base, they talk to the right or they talk to the left, but they don't come and talk to us. they don't see what we are doing on a daily basis. >> [speaking non-english] [interpreter] biden promised many things, but i feel he hasn't delivered. and the other party, i don't know much about it. [end of translation] >> i want to bring in -- author of emerging democratic majority which predicted that democratic trans would lead to democrats dominating american politics. i'm glad you are here. -- you've heard just a few people on these issues and -- enough criticism to go between and center focus or solely focused on democrats or republicans. but you say even in spite of that republicans might have a decisive advantage in enveloping more latino voters under their big tent. why? >> well, i think --

what's happening is something that i think some of the people in the interview that got at, i think hispanic voters are tired of you know the democrats in a sense, taking them for granted, taking them as people of color, the king of them as immigration voters, or thinking of them as automatic democrats. and their attitudes definitely at this point is, what have you done for me lately? from the polling data -- they don't think yuck biden has the right priorities for the country. they disapprove of his economic management, by about 30 points. and on and on, it just seems like the biden administration may have passed a bunch of legislation but in terms of the actual day-to-day lives of hispanic voters lead, they don't feel he has produced much and they also feel that they have handled the party that move to the left culturally in a way that is really not consistent with where these voters are coming from, more moderate to and conservatives on social issues. it seems that democrats are the party of the liberal college educators these days, and i

don't think that sits well with latino voters. >> while that might seem counterintuitive to some people when you say latino voters are discouraged about being considered people of color because, well they are people of color -- and yet it's the idea, i think you are getting out, it's the notion of being treat it as a monolith. as in, hey, i know by virtue of your culture exactly how you are going to vote and what issues are either most prioritized by you. and that's where you say democrats are failing in particular. and look, i'm a black woman voter from the midwest, originally. i understand the idea of being treated as a monolith and the presumptions being made. why do you think democrats have done, or failed to acknowledge the nuance in a way that would resonate with more voters? >> well i think in some ways, it's just very comforting to think of things that way. i mean i think there was a theory of the case, democrats have had for a number of years, and i think that some people blame it on my book with john

-- so it is exactly what we said, but we definitely did think the vote of the non-population or, the nonwhite population was a boon for democrats on the electoral terms. but we took it you know don't take it for granted, this parts of the other electoral -- white working class -- continue to vote democrat because they have done so for a long time because the other party so awful. i think we are now seeing that that assumption is -- it was not as valid as people thought. i mean, look, donald trump ran for the second time for president in 2020 after an administration that many people thought would totally disqualify him in the eyes of hispanic voters. and yet the democrats advantage among those voters declined by 16 points relatively to the 60, 2016. in other words there was a huge move! a huge move, towards trump among these voters, despite

having experienced trump's first term. so that just tells you a little something about where hispanic voters are coming from these days. they don't want to be thought as automatic democrats, they are ordinary patriotic, hardworking americans, for whose vote you have to work hard for. and they don't think the democrats have produced for them. >> we will see how that pans out next, week a lot of questions to be answered and asked by both republicans and democrats on this very point. thank you for your insight. i appreciate it! >> thank you for having me! >> alisyn, the way the six had in my mind is the assumption. the assumptions that are being made and taken for granted. the idea that oh, you know what, i need not go to your state or that flyover country that particular group of people i might not focus on because i've got to get in the bag. if that's what's happening from republicans or democrats, or anyone, it might be a rude awakening next week on both sides. >> well let's dive into that a little further, we have the perfect panel is discuss this, so let's bring in cnn

commentator scott jennings, david axelrod and anna navarro. -- we just said, tim alberta at the atlantic has just written on pace on this and i just want to read one passage of this and then ana i'll get you to respond. -- defined generations of political patterns and caused varying degrees of panic on the left. the 2018 midterm, when democrats regain control of the u.s. house of representatives and won the hispanic vote by 40 points, nationally, and the summer, numerous polls show that his guys are splitting and it just difficult tie even such parties are such exaggerated. it's evident the republicans are poised next week to win the biggest share of hispanics in the modern era. era. what has happened in the last four years? >> i really appreciate being among the widest people in the world to discuss this issue. look, it's a very complex answer, and it's part of the reason it's a complex answer is because the hispanic community in the united states is a

complex community. people have a really hard time understanding that the priority and interests of the cuban american community is very different than the chicano community, very different than the puerto rican community, very different than the nicaraguan immigrants. they were assaulted care about immigration. they want to define us all as homogenous blob, and hispanics resent that. we're not latinx, we're not this, we're not that. we are all different because we live it different parts of the country. we come from different countries of latin america. we have different interests. we are different people. and for some reason, politicians have a really hard time understanding that. look, hispanics pay taxes as well. hispanic suffer through inflation as well. hispanics care about foreign relations too. hispanics care about afghanistan. it's not just immigration. it's not just english only, it's not just those narrow issues that people want to define hispanics as. >> david, how do democrats

screw this up? >> i think arrogance. i think the word assumption is the right word. i don't think -- laura said and talked about ignoring -- i don't think he should ignore parts of the country where you think people are not going to support you or ignore constituencies because you take them for granted. i also think that the nuances, we say the hispanic community, there are hispanic communities, and they're distinct and different and one of those things that the tim alberta piece that was so important was, he was in south florida, he was in south texas, he was in arizona, and there are commonalities about working class sensibilities, social moderation and so on, but there are also differences. anti communism, for example, in south florida. these are nuances that should be understood, and -- >> it is something that the

obama administration and campaign did well, when you are running it, because i am old enough to remember that one day would have somebody with a dominican accent narrating radio ads in south florida, which would be like having someone from kentucky narrating a radio ad in massachusetts. that's the biggest difference. >> i would, say i've spent a lot time in massachusetts, and they find my accent amazing! >> they are clamoring for you. >> if you may try, meg they love my colloquialism. >> i used to hate the accent, and you know, actually it was interesting, i started to cut my teeth in chicago politics and i used to have to use a colombian voice over because if i use someone with a mexican accent it would offend the puerto rican population -- if i use someone with a puerto rican population would defend the mexicans. so there's a word that i would like to throw out here that's important for democrats which is respect. you can translate it. respect, and i think that is

true in terms of how democrats relate to friendly constituencies, or constituencies that i think that our friendly, but also how they relate to white working class voters around the country. >> but what are republicans doing that is making them feel respected? >> while there is a quote in the alberta piece that stuck with me and one of the hispanic democrats that he interviewed said that these immigrants came here to make money, keep the family safe. what is the republican message in this election? you know you are being economically disadvantaged by the biden administration, and they are not keeping our neighborhoods safe because of the national crime ways. waves. so the two things that that person was speaking to is essentially the republican campaign. i think ana, though, laid out a very powerful concept in politics -- you can't treat people like their only allowed to care about one thing. i mean if i told you, you can care about one thing and one thing only, and if you disagree with me, that i disregard to you, you would not feel very

kindly towards my political party so if that's what the democrats have done hispanics, whatever community they are in, i can understand why they are gravitating. and i also think the other night when i was on and we talk about outreach from the republican national committee has done, just going and talking to people, trying to be present in the community. you are seeing that in a lot of different states and i think it's been quite successful. so economy and crime, the republican campaigns speaks to -- >> i will tell you something. the biden administration sucks at tooting their own horn. i told this to them to their own face. they've done things like issue temporary protective status for venezuelans, which is a very big deal! it's for the hispanic community. but they don't toot their own horn! donald trump did very little things, a lot of it was smoke and mirrors. but anytime anything within, they would be down in miami and there would be a big event, and they be at the freedom tower and there would be all these people clapping like trained seals. but those things matter! >> yeah, i agree that's with the republican message is,

scott, but i also agree with you. i mean the fact is helping people making health care accessible is a real tangible thing. >> student loans! >> it helps improve peoples lives, making higher education more -- >> but do they have that effect -- >> yes i think you have to make that case but, it's not enough to say the biden administration has made your life worse. >> this much i can tell you -- the answer of what's happening with the latina latino vote is not going to be determined in an eight minute segment on cnn. it is very difficult, complex -- >> we needed a segment. >> oh yes, i can say that, i could see what you guys are angling for, and i think you are going to get one at some point. all right, thank you all for that. [laughs] so far, so far you are. you are behaving. >> former, president, obama was heckled last night and on saturday, twice, in fact he's been heckled a lot. but he turning the heckling back to the hecklers. he's making a political point of course at the same time. we'll explain why he's getting

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>> former president obama is hitting the trail hard this midterms. he's getting right back with multiple hecklers at his rallies. but obama is not letting hecklers have the last word. just listen. >> sir, sir! this is what i'm saying! look, we got a -- there is a process that we set up in our democracy, right now, i'm talking, you'll have a chance to talk sometime, and as a part of the point that i want to make! [noise] just basic civility and courtesy works. and that's what we want to try to encourage. do we have another person yelling at me? [noise] [laughs] >> is that what -- is that what you are doing?

>> kick him out! -- >> no, no, no, we don't have to chant. it will be all right. where was i? wait, wait, wait. i was getting to a good part here and you are about to be distracted again. remember what i said now? don't be like that dog -- squirrel. i'll be distracted. because i was making an important point here. hold up! hold up! hey, young man, young man. just listen for a second! you know -- you have to be polite and civil when people are talking and other people are talking, and then you -- you get a chance to talk. set up your own rally! a lot of people worked hard for this!

come on man! >> back with us john berman, ashley allison, -- jim i mean this is the president or former president of the united states. he's getting heckled this way. is he handling it effectively? is a larger issue translating? >> i thought it was quaint, like throwback to when that's what instability is to look like. he's a pro, he's handling it well. he turns it back on people. i feel like -- it reminds me, i spent most of my years on capitol hill giving obama a hard time. it wasn't that long ago when we have fights over calling people back names and i were talking about that storming the capitol. so i thought he handled it well. >> what do you guys think? ashley? >> he knows how to handle a crowd! and i think it's important to -- for a former president, i wish all of them would -- rise to the occasion and bring civility back to the country. we follow our leaders, young

people are looking -- a whole new generation is being introduced to barack obama on the campaign trail. why shout matters and i think it he did the best possible. >> it beats telling other people in the crowd to beat the guy up, which is what we see -- certainly handling it like that from the stage is better. i will say the larger point that he was making -- he wound up talking about it -- don't get distracted by the anger. and that is where he may run into a problem there. i think obama does not want people to focus on mean tweets, does not want to focus on some of the anger that is out there in this way and sort of -- look above it talk about bigger things. but if you ignore it sometimes -- >> i mean, tell a baby not to cry, right, alisyn? -- it is really call my son swirl every time he gets distracted. they came out the dog in up, i mean like -- squirrel! i do get this as a parent perspective, and john is right, the notion of -- i don't know that people can just be told, focus, when there are so many very obvious distractions intended to muddy

the waters. >> i just like the message, set up your own rally. i thought that was a good model for all of us. oh yeah? set up your own rally. so, yeah, it's very signature obama, as brendan was saying. quaint, you know -- imagine, civility, politeness and courtesy. >> what is this area you speak of? >> is jimmy stewart coming soon? >> that's right, i think it's a good aspiration for all of us. all right, meanwhile, new tonight, the justice department deciding whether they will need a special counsel if donald trump runs for president again. laura is going to tell us what that means, next! ♪ ♪ ♪

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we have a cnn exclusive now, justice department officials are discussing whether a donald trump run in 2024 would require a special counsel to oversee the two big federal investigations involving trump.

we also learned that the we've also learned that the just by monday staffing up so they can be prepared for whatever decisions come back in the midterms, including whether not to indict a former president. but why would a special counsel be necessary? if only we had someone we could ask or -- it turns out! that the laura coates worked in the justice department as a federal prosecutor. so, laura, help us understand, what would a special prosecutor? do >> really it would try to inside the doj from -- if trump were to one and assuming that president biden runs for reelection, to try to take down in tampa down the accusation and trying to investigate his main political rival, right. ? the idea of the politicization of the department of justice is part of what the credibility hits have been about a year after year. and so this idea of a special counsel being someone who could be removed from the politics of it that's, the theory, and be

judged as a truly neutral being -- but of course we all lived through the claims against, say, special counselor mueller, for example. and the idea is that they believe some, that it was a political witch hunt. so, it's not a guarantee that would actually totally insulate them from criticism. >> who would use that special counsel? who is that difficult person that has no political ties or backstory whatsoever? >> it's a unicorn that would have to come in, alisyn, that would have no political tides, essentially, you have to come in and talk about this. part of the question that merrick garland would have to -- remember, he's a chief prosecutor in the land and so the decision to essentially try to outsource the responsibility of overseeing this in this way would have come from one, acknowledge, the perception that my -- not enough cover into having to outsource it in that way. and also to say, look, fine,, i want this to be a truly transparent process having at this and be made. it's not set in stone yet,

alisyn but can you imagine if we had the same arguments we hashed we have had for, oh, about four years? about witch hunts? this is a way to weaponize the doj? they are hoping to avoid that? i don't know that it can be done in an ring the bell but that would be one step forward. >> i feel like regardless of who they choose or what path they go down, they will be accusations of witch hunts. >> of course! >> if i know our history. all right, laura, thanks for helping us understand that. okay, next, kyrie irving now suspended, without pay, from the brooklyn nets for tweeting a link to an antisemitic film. but wait! there is much more tonight. but ♪ ♪ ♪ more.

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the brooklyn nets tonight for a minimum of five games. this is days after he tweeted a link to a documentary that has been criticized as antisemitic and then defended his decision to do so. here's what he had to say today. -- sort of wanted to hear the word i apologize -- >> in mine you said i didn't mean to cause any harm. were you apologizing? >> i didn't mean to cause any harm. i'm not the one that made the documentary. >> the nets issuing a statement, saying in part, quote, such parity dissent out antisemitism when given a clear opportunity to do so is deeply disturbing and is against the values of our organization and constitutes conduct detrimental to the team. >> yesterday, kylie irving and the anti defamation league, you may remember, released a joint statement saying that irving and the nets will each donate a half 1 million bucks to organizations that work to eradicate hate.

>> and now, tonight, the atl is saying no thank you. the adl president jonathan greenblatt saying tonight,, quote, in good conscience, except his donation. it's interesting, laura, returning a half million dollar donation certainly makes a statement. and it's interesting. basically, he said, in addition to what we just played, there i take full responsibility, again, i will repeat it, proposing something on my instagram or twitter that may have had some unfortunate falsehoods in it. he was saying that he takes responsibility but he couldn't say -- basically i denounce antisemitism. >> that had some unfortunate falsehoods? i mean, you can pick apart literally every part of that pseudo apology it has the airing of -- i'm sure you feel that way. i'm sorry you are upset by what i said tonight. and the opportunity to simply say, i apologize, it wasn't just the words that i am sorry. it would've also been the sentiment to demonstrate that you actually believe that this was wrong. and it's unfortunate because my little nine year old boy, he loves basketball!

he loves to watch it! loves all the players! studies them. and he's watching it and he's asking me questions about antisemitism, learning about these social issues, these horrors and tragedies because they are so loosely coming off of the mouths of those who so many idolize. and so imagine the opportunity, alisyn, to have the platform, to say something and denounce what is horrible. and you just say, i didn't mean any harm by it. i don't know what one thinks. i wouldn't want your money either. >> well, teachable moment for our children, as you point out there. let us know what you think about this whole situation. and anything else that you've been talking about tonight, you can tweet us at the laura coates end at alisyn camerota. we will be right back. wi a comprehensive wealth plan for your full financial picture. with the right balance of risk and reward. so you can enjoy more of...this. this is the planning effect.

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five days, laura, count them, five days until election day and the biggest names in politics are criss-crossing the country this week trying to make their final campaign pitch. >> we've been talking ab