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>> tonight -- >> what's the bottom line you want the american people to know? >> there was a very sophisticated multi-part plan ovp ovoverseen ovp ovove by donald trump. >> you can't accept when they steal and rob. >> the attempt to stay in power. >> the longest investigation into donald trump's attempt to stay president barrels towards conclusion, we put it all together. >> i got three men walking down the street with ar-15s. >> the explosive testimonies. >> i over heard the president saying something that i don't effin care that they have weapons, let people in. >> new insights from witnesses. >> i said you want me to take my state, 3.2 million voters and throw them out the window? >> was he asking you to commit a crime? >> i don't know what he believed. >> the unanswered questions.
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>> i feel like we don't know the full story on the proud boys and oath keepers. >> and what may lie ahead. >> the former president and his allies represent a clear danger to american democracy. not because of what they did on january 6th - it is because of what they pledge to do in 2024. >> a cnn's special report, "american coup," the january 6th investigation. i am a very textual artist, in arizona, the republican speaker of the house, rusty bowers is an artist. he was thrown into a real-life drama. >> the bill number was 2596. >> >> 2-5-9-6, one of more than 0 bills submitted in arizona to tighten access to the ballot
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box. the measure would have scrapped early voting, all voting would be on election day only. >> 90% of my district votesed early. >> most egregious to rusty bowers was this. >> >>r>> >p>> i said i will giv respect it deserves. >> education. >> so i sent it to 12 committees so we'll have a long vetting process. >> typical is one or two. if it was as controversial bill, you may send it to three. if it goes to four committees then you are getting the message. >> judiciary, i sent it to 12 committees. >> it was theatrical. >> it is not an overstatement to
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say that because he stood up for democracy, he'll not be in the state legislature next year. >> reran in the primary for a state's senate seat. >> i stood up to the radicals and kept my campaign promises. p >> p their positions on the issues nearly identical except for one. >> i believe the at the election was stolen. >> barsworth bought into trus election lies. bowers did not. >> arizona voters. >> it is very possible that the bill that i assigned liberally to my committees will be back, possibly of not getting a governor's signature would be a disaster. i call it the possibility of going back to the dark ages in arizona. >> the united states headed into the 2022 midterm elections with
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more at stake regarding american democracy perhaps than ever before. from arizona to pennsylvania to georgia and all the so-called swing states, the former president donald trump is backing loyalists like david foren forenforensworth. what th says was as plot designed to keep trump as president in 2020. >> what's the bottom line you want the american people to know from these hearings? >> there are several things. one is there was a very sophisticated multi-part plan oover seen by donald trump to attempt to over turn the election. no president in our history have done anything close to that before.
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>> vice chair liz cheney spen the last year bucking her party and help investigate donald trump's multi-part plan. the first piece the committee focused on were the lies. p>> >> the lead up to the election, donald trump had been talking about the possibility of widespread voters fraud for months. >> voting by mail is rotten with fraud. >> people steal them out of mailboxes. >> looking back, it was clear he was laying the ground works for this. >> this is a fraud on the american public, this is an embarrassment to the country. we w w wwere getting w w wwere ready to win this election. >> trump may have been prying widespread fraud but he had no proof but the former president did have proof of based on his
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own team's assessment was that he lost. a fact made clear by the january 6th committee which exposed to the world of so many trump's aids telling the trump lies in public. >> are you expecting the president to concede? >> maria, that word is not in our vocabulary now. >> new trump was going to lose legitimately and he did lose legitimate. admissions they were forced to make under oath. >> i was in the oval office and at some point the conversation, the data person was brought on and i remember he delivered to the president pretty blunt terms that he was going to lose. >> trump's campaign attorneys followed up on all of the fraud claims and they concluded that fraud did not take the election from donald trump, voters did. the news was told that trump's chief of staff, mark meadows, admitted to late november.
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>> i remember a call with mr. meadows and i remember sharing with him that we were not finding anything that would be sufficient to change the results in any of the key states. >> during a meeting several weeks later, the president got the same message from his white house council, pat cipollone and eeric eeeric hershman. >> eric and pat told the group that none of those allegations are substantial for the basis of litigation challenge to the at the election. >> it is statistically impossible that the person, me, that led the charge lost. >> but donald trump continues to refuse to publicly accept defeat. >> the evidence of the fraud is monumental and more is coming out. >> audacious claim of widespread fraud becoming a daily occurrence. >> numerous times we found glitches and every single time the glitch went to 100% to biden
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and no percent to trump. >> the only thing left is to vote. that could have been mickey mouse or a dead person. >> standing near rudy giuliani is an attorney named sidney powell who became the face of one of the most notorious and deranged lies that diminion machines were shifting votes to biden. >> after she was sued, powell conceded that powell lied that no reasonable persons would conclude that her at the same times were truly statements of facts. the attorney general bill barr was investigating all of trump's fraud claims. >> it was getting awkward because obviously, he lost the election. he had lost.
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>> our role is to investigate fraud and it is not panning out. >> he was going to win in spite of all the fraud. >> spurred on by the most arden election liars including many in maga media. >> donald trump would not listen to reasons or facts. >> where is the doj or the fbi in all of this? >> missed in action. >> i felt it was time for me to say something so i set up a lunch with the ap reporter, and i told him that today we have not seen fraud on the scale that could affected a different outcome in the at the election. >> a heated trump/bar meeting followed. >> with a turn of the dial or the change of the chip, you can
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press a button for trump and the vote goes to biden. >> the stuff he was shoving out to the public was -- > i saw 0 basis for the allegation. they were influencing a lot of people. >> before the end of december, barr had quit. >> his replacement acting attorney general jeffery rosen came with richard donohue, they thoroughly investigated each of the fraud claim coming from donald trump. late in december, donohue spoke with the president and told him the truth of numerous false claims including one involving dominion machines in northern michigan. >> you have a cyber expert group ississ ississuing the report o
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rate. there was a .006% air rate. >> donohue debunked fraud claims of the vote counting done at the state farm arena. >> i don't want to see people walking in with suitcases and putting them under the table. >> there were allegations of suitcases and fraudulent ballots being smuggled in. >> ballots being run through multiple times. u.s. attorneys there looked at it and found that none of those allegations were true. >> donohue's boss, jeff rosen, forwarded an e-mail to mark meadows, asking the department of justice to look into the possibility that italian satellite were changing votes from trump to biden. >> they sent new numbers backed up to italian satellite. >> i was skeptical to say the least. we quickly determined that was a not a well-founded
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allegation. we told the chief of staff and others as well. >> what's going on over there? >> the nation's top law enforcement officials were investigating and finding nothing substance and the usual claim of voting misconduct, the president's team lost over and over again. >> once again shutting down desperate attempts to over turn the election. >> you are not some raging liberal, is that fair? >> totally fair. >> a highly respected conservative retired federal court judge. ludic did not hear any of the trump's fraud cases. he and his colleagues did analyze more than 60 of them. >> we reviewed each individual client and decided nothing would have changed the result in a single precinct, led alone a single state or led alone nationally. >> ahead --
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>> you are asking me to do something against my oath and i am not going to do that. >> donald trump puts the squeeze on state house leaders across the country. >> it is going to have a big impact on tuesday if you don't get this thing straighten out fast. ♪ ♪ 9 each. and i'll eat a slice on the ride home. nice! marco's. pizza lovers get it. [ coughing/sneezing ] dude, you coming? alka-seltzer plus powermax gels with more concentrated power. because the only thing dripping should be your style! plop plop fizz fizz with alka-seltzer plus. also try for fast sinus and pain relief! (vo) what can a nationwide 5g network from t-mobile for business do for your business? unlock new insights and efficiency-right now. allow monitoring of productivity at remote job sites, with next-generation bandwidth. enable ai cameras that spot factory issues in real time, using next-generation speed.
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>> bower says it was rudy giuliani began making crazy claims about voter fraud in arizona. >> i can't give you the exact number but i will throw out numbers, they're kind of the audacious numbers like 200,000 illegal aliens voted. >> bower says rudy giuliani wanted him to hold an official house hearing to air these claims publicly. >> i said but what's the whole purpose of this. what are you trying to achieve? >> > >> > well, you heard t law in arizona that if you have sufficient cause that you can throw out the biden electors and put in trump electors. >> i said that's a new one to me, i have never ever heard of that. now, you are asking me to do something against my oath and
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i am not going to do that. >> but, bower said he told rud giuliani he had good lawyers and wowould be happy to put the fr mayor in touch with them. >> i don't do anything of this magnitude without strong proof and legal council. >> the president said, rudy, you got the proof? i want the proof. he never called my attorneys. >> but the asks did not stop with rudy giuliani. >> bower would get a call from another trump's attorney, john eastman. a key player to undo the results of the 2020 election. >> the ask was that we would throw out the electors and i ssaid -- has it ever been done he said -- um, no. i said, "yo
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want me to take my state, 3.2 million voters and just throw them out the window because i want to and that's responsible on my part", okay, thank you, we are not doing that. bower kept his caucus on the sidelines. in the arizona senate, republicans there yielded the pressure from team trump and voted to conduct an audit of the results in arizona's largest county. >> when they got the cyber ninjas and i thought, i watched and this will be interesting. i want to be close to that. >> you may remember the ninjas, the company was run by a trump supporter, the employed ultra-violet lights which could identify ballots from china. >> they came out that mr. biden won by a larger margin and mr. trump lost a number of votes. bower and his colleagues in arizona were not the only state
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officials feeling the heat from trump of rudy giuliani. materials showed that it happened over and over across the swing states that biden won. >> mr. speaker, this is rudy giuliani and janet ellis. >> and pennsylvania, republican house speaker brian cutler got the call. >> hello mr. speaker, this is janet ellis and i am hear with mayor rudy giuliani. >> hey, brian, it is rudy giuliani. i have something important to call your attention that really changes things. >> the january 6th committee says cutler thought the calls were inappropriate and had his lawyer to tell rudy giuliani to stop it. >> i understand you don't want to talk to me now but i want to bring some facts to your attention. >> and then there is brad raffensperger who's got a call
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from trump. >> what are we going to do? we won the election and it is not fair they're taking it away from us. >> all i want to do is this, i want to find 11,780 votes -- >> i think it is the phone call that everyone remembers when this was later leaked where he turn braided raffensperger. >> they're laughing behind your back. he praised him and trying to charm him at times and even indicated that if he did not act that there could be criminal liability for those actions. >> you are not reporting it, that's a criminal offense. >> it was not just pressure, there were threats from trump's supporter who felt empowered or in cited by him. the two men i this hummer with the qanon
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decal, they drove their vehicles filled with weapons, votes were still being counted. at the time, al smith was overseeing the vote count in philadelphia. he received threats aimed at his family. >> told the truth or your three kids will be fatally shot included our address and my children's names and a picture of our home. >> the republican house speaker had protesters showing up at his home. >> there were multiple protests, at least three or at least my district office or my home and my 50-year-old son was home for the first one. >> we have counted sanford police department-- >> in georgia, raffensperger's wife received disturbing messages. >> people started texting her aand aaa ar p anda r p sending
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>> a threat she received via facebook messengers. >> a lot of threats and wishing death upon me and telling me that, you know, i will be in jail with my mother. >> these threats happened after rudy giuliani spread lies about her and her mother, ruby freeman, who was counting votes on election night. >> taped earlier in the day of r rudy moss. >> i mean it is obvious to anyone who's a criminal investigator or prosecutor, they are engaged in illegal activities. >> what was your mom actually handing you on that video? >> a ginger mint. p >>
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p this turned my life ups down. i don't want anyone knowing my name. i don't want to go anywhere with my mom because she may yell my name out over the grocery isle or something. i have not been anywhere at all. i have gained about 60 pounds, it is affecting my life in a major way. >> congressman adam kinzinger of illinois says all the threats are part of trump's plan. >> i don't think you can look at the words and actions of donald trump and think that he wanted anything except the explosion of these threats to people. he can stop that in a second if he wanted to. he likes it. there are a lot of members of congress that voted against impeachment because they were scared for their family and themselves. what does that mean? it means threats of violence worked. >> up in >> up >> up inr > u
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after six weeks of lies and pressure from the president of the united states, on december 14th other, 2020, all 50 u.s. states formally certified their results as their citizens voted. >> the resolution is unanimously adopted. >> that according to the january 6th committee is what led to a meeting where the former president considered horrified. >> trump's national security advisers, they were let into the
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white house by an aide to peter navarro. trump saw them and called them into the oval office and they started arguing the case where everyone else is failing trump and that trump can take aggressive actions to keep himself in power and try to impact the results of the election that he had already lost. they suggested that he use the apparatus of the government to seize voting machines. as this meeting was taken place, another lawyer in the white house figures out what happened and calls pat cipollone and mark and the staff, secretary on his last day of work joins and rudy giuliani calls in. this goes on for your hours. >> how much time did you have alone with the president? you had other people with you but before the crowd came running? >> probably no more than 10 or 15 minutes. >> cipollone set a new land
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speed record. >> i opened the door and i walked in, and i saw general flynn and i saw sidney powell sitting there. i was not happy to see the people in the oval office. >> and then what? >> i don't think any of these people were providing the president with good advice. >> the team had arrived with a draft executive order that had not been signed by donald trump would have immediately order the secretary of defense to seize, collect and retain and analyze ballot boxes and would have created quote, "a special counsel" to oversees the operation and institute all criminals and civil proceedings as appropriate. >> this is a draft of the executive order that would have alp aallowed alp aal trump to seize vo machines. what was your reaction when you heard about that? >> most americans could imagine those things would happen here. that order and many of the other things that we have learned through our hearings have been
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really stunning to me because repeatedly i found myself in a situation thinking that my gosh, how could this happen here? we thought it could not but it continued to emphasize for all of us that our institutions are fragile. >> the appointment of this special counsel was not hypothetical, trump wanted sidney powell, a prominent head ler of election lies in the spotlight. >> he had the authority to name these special counsels and he said yes. he asked him if he had the authority to give me whatever security clearance on me and pat cipollone said yes. the president said okay, i am naming that and i am giving her security clearance and short buy before we left was when cipollone and hershman or other young man, you can name her
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whatever and no one is going to pay any attention to it. >> how did the president respond to that? >> something like you see what i deal with, i deal with this all the time. >> the meeting was extremely heated with cipollone arguing against the special counsel idea and seizures of voting machines. >> can the federal government seize voting machines? it is a terrible idea. >> that's not how we do things in the united states. the three of them forcefully attacking me verbverbally. we were pushing and asking one simple question as a general matter. where is the evidence? >> what response did you get?
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>> a variety of responses. like what do you mean where is the evidence? you should know. >> well, there was a discussion of well, we don't have it now, we'll have it later. >> she said the judges were corrupt. everyone? every single case you have done and even the one we appointed? i am being nice and i was not much more harsh to her. #. >> the meeting nearly devolved into a physical fight. >> one screamed at me and we kept on standing up and screaming at me and at certain point i had it with him. so, i yelled back and either come over or sit your effin ass back down. >> i describe it as, you guys
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are not tough enough for i put it another way, you are a bunch of o-- excuse the expression. i am almost certain the words was used. >> if it was me sitting in his chair, i am going to fire all of them and have them escorted out the building. >> the january 6th committee discovered text messages sent by cassidy hutchinson. the meeting was described as unhinged. she snapped this photograph of mark meadows to make sure he did not get back into the mansion. >> how crazy that december 18t meeting was? how was it under play? >> because donald trump faded into the background as this result was being described. one of the ways donald trump escaped
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a lot of accountability overtime is he gets people fighting with each other and that's what people focus on. he considers extreme, really unprecedented actions, now, he didn't take them but he was unwilling to foreclose options until the last second no matter how extreme and potentially dangerous they were. >> i remember talking to you after that meeting and you were shaking. >> i was. and it was frankly, it took little bit to process of what had happened. i remember getting a text from a senior republican senate adviser asking me if there was going to be an issue in terms of a peaceful transfer of power. i yes, there is an issue here and that was a real neon warning sign. >> it was floated of this idea by retired general michael flynn
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in the oval office that donald trump should seize voting machines and ballot boxes from the states that joe biden won. what was your reaction when you heard that? >> i said to my wife, this is beyond all comprehension. i nenever utter a word like thist that in particular sounded in a babanana republic to me. had t happen, we would have been in a situation where literally we are in a constitutional crisis because nothing in our constitution gives you the answer. at the end of the evening, no seizure orders were issued the president decided to go in a different direction. he would take it in a tweet. >> what he wanted was to show
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hours before sun rise on december 19th, 2020, after a long, loud disturbing white house meeting about seizing voting machines, president trump sent a tweet that would change history. >> big protest in d.c. on january 6th, it read, be there, will be wild. >> what he wanted was to show these lawmakers, not just in washington but everyone telling
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him that he lost, he wants to show that people agreed with him and backing him of his lies in the election. >> they heard that call and began planning immediately. >> women for america's first to protrump's organizing group applied for rally permit, in the hours after the tweet, they moved their permit to januajanuary 6th,. >> the next day, ali alexander, the leader of the group stopped t tthe steal created the websit to share and promote the logistics about the rally. >> >> >> it includes details transportation to washington, d.c. >> alex jones began spreading the words on their platforms.
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>> one of the most historic events of american history had just taken place. president trump wants the american people to march on washington, d.c. on january 6, 2021, the time for games is over. the time for action is now. >> as words spread, it became clear that trump's faithfuls were planning for the possibility of violence. we know the rules of engagement, if you have enough people, you can push downey kind of a fence or a wall. >> you better understand something, son. red wave, bitch. it is going down january 6th. >> the term red wedding comes from the "game of thrones," it means a massacre. >> january 6th! kick that door opened and look down the street, there is going to be a million plus on
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americans. >> some of trump's twitter followers did consider his tweets to be orders. that according to a twitter employee whose identity was hidden. >> it tells us a mob was being organized and they were gathering together their weaponries and their logic and their reasoning behind why they were prepared to fight. >> members of the committee say they were finding similar types of chatter across the platform. >> quote, "calling all patriots, be in washington, d.c., january 66 66th. 66 66 djt had invited us and is beginning to be wild," white nationalists and such as why don't we just kill them, every last democrat, down to the last man and woman and child. it is time for the day of the rope,
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white revolution is the only solution. >> the donald d.rp>> on that si plans. one post encouraging others to come with body armor, knuckles and shields and bats aand peppered sprays and whater it takes. all were used on january 6th. >> we are the proud boys. >> according to the committee, the proud boys was active during this time preparing for january 6th. >> proud boys launched an encrypted chat called the ministry of self-defense. the committee obtained hundreds of these messages showing tactical
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planning of january the six including maps of washington d.c., that pinpointed the location of police. >> more alarming, some of the people making plans in the proud boys and the oath keepers and another right-wing militia had direct ties to people close to donald trump. >> one such ally was michael flynn, this photo from december 12th shows flynn and patrick burn and another trump's ally guarded by indicted oath keeper, roberta. oath keeper stewart wrote in the picture as well. >> both have been charged with conspiracy. they pleaded not guiguilty. rodes trial is bein tried in october. more than a
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dozen of proud boys have been charged with seditious conspiracy. roger stone had ties to these groups. >> in the same time frame, stoe communicated with the proud boys and and andand the and and andand oath keepers reg the committee contained from a group chat, friends of stone's. >> ontario, leader of the proud boys. the chat focused on donald trump and as well as january 6th. on january 6th, stone was guarded by two oath keepers who have been indicted for seditious conspiracy. one of them pleaded guilty and according to the department of justice, admitted that the oath keekeepers were ready to use ll forces against anyone who tries
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to remove president trump from the white house including the national guards. >> stone's connection to the proud boys go back years and showing him taking the oath. >> hi, i am roger stone. i . >> there are some missing piece in the public record such as what, if anything, did donald trump or anyone inside the whit house no about the organizing b the far right militias? the night before january 6, president trump instructed his chief of staff, mark meadows, t contact both roger stone and michael flynn regarding that would play out the next day. ms. hutchinson, is your understanding that you meadows called litterst on the fifth? i'm under the impression that mr. menard to complete bot the carlton mitchell donated general flynn the evening of th
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fifth. >> you know what they talked about that evening, is hutchinson? i'm not sure. >> i feel like we don't know th full story on the proud boys an oathkeepers. >> i think that the committee i set to get to the bottom of wha white house officials might hav coordinated with or spoken to proud boys. so what did those relationships look like? what were the lines of communication, and why were the talking? >> there is stuff we know. there is more depth they will put up probably within the reporter maybe next hearing speed i think what is important is that he was going through th process of selling that the election was stolen and then convincing folks that, look, if you believe that an election wa stolen from me, miles is the only answer, quite honestly. i mean, that's kind of the american tradition. if you truly believe that the constitution is being disobeyed every american would actually b on the cabin. >> up next, donald trump puts
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in terms of his election fraud claims. did you have any brains have become deputy attorney general? no i didn't have any concerns about that. i had great confidence in the team. i want to be part of the team, wanted to be there when it mattered. >> can't ever accept when this deal and began lie. can't accept it. >> after attorney general bill barr resigned to a richard donahue for the pointed to the number two position in the department of justice, the deputy to jeffrey rosen, the ne acting attorney general. two men inherited a department under constant and public at attack, a sitting president of the united states, riding to hold onto an election. he falsely claimed had been stolen. >> trump doctor justice department was an arm of his presidency in a way for him to tell them what to do, and they should do his bidding and what he wanted. >> as the new targets of trump sawyer, roseann donahue felt that near daily complaints from donald trump -- field the new
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daily complaints from donald trump p between december 23rd and january 3rd 20 president either call me or met with me, virtually every day. the common elements to all of this is the president expressin his dissatisfaction that the justice department in his view had not done enough to investigate election fraud. >> but were investigating. the department of justice had been debunking chumps while election fraud lies one by one. but president trump chose to no listen. on december 27 phone call with rosen a donahue, president trum said report had an allegation to, "tell people that this was an illegal corrupt election, despite no evidence of widespread fraud. trump also pressed them to publicly, "just say the electio was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the republican congressman." p that was an exact quote from the president. indicated that he had some political avenue he wanted to
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pursue with the congress. but by him telling us that we should say publicly that it was corrupt, that concerned me. >> what he intended was for the department of justice to say what we have indication that there was corruption because from there you can take that seed of doubt and donald trump and the pole cameras of congres can water it, they can grow tha out, and then to their you can do things like get people to vote against certification on january 6th. >> as long as rosen a donahue were in charge, they told the president they would not publicly back is false election claims to be so trump had to find someone would help him do what he wanted to steal the election peter jeff clarke's name had come up on dece december 27th in a phone call with the president. he brought up in several corluk people are telling me i should change the leadership*. people tell me that you two are not doing your job. i hear jeff clarke is great. people tell me he can get in
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there and do something." and it was surprising to me. >> surprising because the president would have no reason to even know who jeffrey clark was. >> even within the report. people had really heard of jeffrey clark. >> but donald trump had people unbeknownst to rosen a donahue, poking tyson scott carry had brought into the office dem demetra -- restaurant by december 22nd, the day after perry had been a most republica member of congress who joined trump at the white house to discuss overturning the 2020 election. trump also mentioned clark in a second call with rosen. >> he made what i call a peculiar resident this refe reference. remember the zac roper somethin about that i know jeff clarke what they know who he was or something like that. i was critical as to how does the president even know mr mr. clark. >> rosen confronted clark who admitted he had broken the long-standing policy governing
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munication between the justice department and the white house. white house lawyers pat cipollone and patrick philbin also intervened and warned clar to not communicate with the white house. clark agreed. but just two days later escalated the situation with an e-mail set up a series of event that would rock the justice department. we came in one day, dece december 28th. a hectic day as they were. and then in the afternoon we go an e-mail which i had to sit down and read more than once to understand what he is proposing. >> what was he proposing to change he was proposing sending out other, signed by the let we are going to isell attorney general and jeff clarke to georgia come to georgia but als on the swing states as well, suggesting essentially that the set aside the electors assigned to support paid intellect biden and hold hearings and basically
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have the state legislatures pic a new slate of electors. >> that alerted claim that the us department of customizations had, "identified significant concerns that may have impacted the outcome of the election multiple states, including the state of georgia." was that true? no. >> while the letter was sent solely by jeff clarke, it was written with the help of any jessica laird employee named chip osowski who according to the committee was also working with john eastman, the architec of multistep plan to overturn the election. the letter mirrored some of eastman's unconstitutional theories. >> it would have created chaos in the states i think it would have been disastrous for our state and for our constitution. it wasn't that the point of the letter to create chaos? i think so, yes. disturbed by the letter, donahu immediately started to clark riding, "this would be a great
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step for the department to take and it could have tremendous institutional, political and social ramifications for the country." peas i had to make it clear to him that there was no world in which i and certainly the age you were going to sign a letter like that. >> roseann donahue met with clark later that evening. i do remember at the very and say to him, "what you are proposing is nothing less than having the united states state department mail in the outcome of an american presidential election." >> but again jeffrey clark ignored the direction of just part leadership*. he continued to claim, falsely, that there was widespread election fraud. he pushed to send out the lette again. and on january 3rd he told rose president trump had offered him the role of attorney general, and he had accepted. >> that led to a series of discussions and meetings that day. at this point it had gone so fa that we had to bring the other leaders in any point to them, s
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they were prepared in case it happened, but also to get their take on what they would do if that did happen. >> and what did they say they would do? the uniformly said they would resign. >> while scholars obtain the committee said that by 4:19 p.m that day the white house had already begun referring to clar as the, "acting attorney gen general." that evening was done he went t the white house to argue agains trump installing clark as attorney general. the three-hour meeting took place in the oval office, and b all accounts joined the long list of wild white house meetings. the president turned to me and he said, meanwhile, one thing w know is you, rosen, you aren't going to do anything. you won't even agree with the claims of election fraud. and this other guy in the smart something was. >> it was basically jeff clarke advocating for the leadership* change and everyone else advocating against it. it was a very blunt contentious
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conversation. ehresmann and i were on the sam level of being sort of street fighters of the meeting. when he finished discussing wha he planned on doing, i said goo ( bleep ) sorry -- matt thielke congratulations you just commit your first if you take his vision will be coming a family in the road 6c are clearly a kind of his job. altcounsel was vehemently against the plan as well. >> he referred to the letter that jeff clarke had submitted as a murder suicide pact that n one should have anything to do with it. >> i had become a point to the present that jeff clarke is not even qualified to be the attorney general. tomasino he going to conduct these very complex nationwide investigations in record time, and this is coming from a guy who has ever conducted a real investigation. mr. clark responded by saying that he's been involved in very significant environmental law briefing before various courts.
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and it reminded me that my cs familiar an environmental lawye for how about you go back to your office and we'll call you when there's an oil spill. >> that he also informed president trump that upon clark's appointment justin herbert leaders would resign en masse. >> the present turned to me and said, "steve, he wouldn't liste when you." i said, mr. president, i've bee through you with four attorney general according to acting attorney general, but i couldn' be part of this." >> finally persuaded trump decided against the idea. when clark was subpoenaed by th john mercer committee earlier this year, he refused to answer questions by pleading the fifth more than 125 times peas did yo discuss this draft letter with the president of the united states? fifth. >> coming up, inside the plot depression the vice president. >> any of them were immediately plunged the country into paralyzing constitutional cr
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to vote and we are going to sen those results up to congress. >> this desperate scheme to overthrow the election results had been conceived weeks ear earlier. >> houthi remember being involved in those early discussions around thanksgiving time? regarding having alternate electors meet? juliana constable giuliani associates, mr. meadows. >> one of the biggest supporter of this outrageous attempt to submit american democracy was a law professor and trump attorne john eastman. >> the entire executive branch is headed by one guy: >> trump saw him on fox news, and shortly after that he was i the oval office. >> fraudulent electors would just step one in eastman's plan which he outlined in these memo and justified with false claims of, "illegal actions by state and local election officials." step two of his plan would have
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to be executed by vice presiden mike pence and jerry six while presiding over the opening and counting of electoral balance. >> what you can do is you can say, due to the disputes in these seven states we are going to send these back to the state and the states would then be able to help donald trump when the election peas it was a lie. are, in fact, on december 19th, 2020, just four days before d dr. eastman sent this memo, marked in eastman himself admitted, in an e-mail, that th fake electors had no legal weight referring to the fake electors as, "dead on arrival i congress." >> trump campaign is an outside lawyers share their concerns about the scheme in e-mails reported on by the new york times absent maggie haberman an luke broadwater. >> and did they think what they were doing was legal? in one e-mail it literally
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describes him as "regular" ticker symbol will be doing us any needs fake electors, he asked fake in quotes, to go cas ballots. in another e-mail there was a discussion about fear from some officials. this should be seen as quote-unquote treasonous. >> what might have happened had pence tried to go through with this idea that he could reject electoral votes and send them back to the states by [no responses] such as arizona, pennsylvania, wisconsin, geo georgia? it would have immediately plunged the country into what i characterize would be tantamoun to a revolution within a paralyzing constitutional cr crisis. >> there's just no way that the framers of the constitution divided power and authority, wh separated it out, who had broke
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away from george iii and declared him to be a tyrant, there was know a that they woul have put in the hands of one person in authority to determin who was going to be the president of the united states. >> but president trump knows vice president pence is a man who could keep him in the white house for four more years. >> on december 23rd, president trump retweeted a memo from individual named ivan mclennan entitled operation pais card they called on the vice president to refuse electoral college votes from certain states that are certified joe biden as the winner. >> he had been pressuring him behind the scenes, so now he's going public. he's trying to get public pressure on mike pence. >> speaker 7: january 6 committees interviews with whit house attorneys made it clear that pat cipollone, eric kush been, and many others were
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appalled. >> but was indicated to me was that pat cipollone got the idea was 90, and at that point had confronted eastman basically with the same sentiment. >> what were your prior interactions with eastman? he described for me what he thought the ambiguity was in th statute, and he was walking through it at that time. and i said, "hold on a second, want to understand what you're saying. everything that he believed the vice president acting as president of the senate can be the sole decision-maker as to whether your theory will become the next president of the unite states?" and he said, "yes." i said, "are you out of your acting mind?" the vice president decided to not buy into eastman's theories. >> was your impression that the vice president had directly conveyed his position on these
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issues to the president? many times. >> and had been consistent in conveying his vision to the president? very consistent. >> he basically could not overstate the pressure that trump was putting on pence in the lead up to january 6th. >> i hope that our great vice president for our great vice president will come through for us. he's a great guy. of course, if he doesn't come through, i will like him quite as much. >> that night pass from an outside lawyer richard cohen phoned retired judge michael lucic, an esteemed conservative republican, for help and advice. >> he said just, do you know john eastman, and i said yes, john was a clerk of mine about 20, 25 years ago. and he said, "michael james advising the president and the vice president that the vice president does not have to accept the electoral college votes as they had been cast."
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i said, "michael richard you ca tell the vice president that i said he has no such authority whatsoever." >> why did you take to twitter? the next richard cause and he said "look, we have to get your voice out to the country immediately, within the next hour or two." >> ted lieu leag with the help of his son, sent his first ever twitter threat. >> my son sent me the instructions on how to tweet a thread instead of individual tweets that were under 140 -- i had no earthly idea what any of this was about. i just told my son, send it to me right now or i'll cut you ou of the will. >> he read me some of that threat. >> the only responsibility and power of the vice president under the constitution is officially count the electoral college votes as they had been cast. the conception did not empower the vice president to alter in any way the votes that had been
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cast, either by rejecting certain of them or otherwise. >> that were referred sprayed i canada tension around the ed edge -- canada tension around the world. but with just one day before congress was set to certify planes or touro college victory trump continued to apply maximu pressure. in this week pro vice president has the power to reject fraudulently chosen electors. and when they met at the white house on january 5th. >> in the book imperiled joonas bob woodward and robert costa right that the president said, "if these people say you have the power, wouldn't you want to? the vice president says, "i wouldn't want any one person to have that authority. the president says, "no, no, no you don't understand, mike, you can do this. i don't want to be your friend anymore if you don't do this."
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>> trump would not relent. at 1:00 a.m. and generate 60 tweeted, "if vice president mik pence come through for us we will win the presidency. mike can send it back." and then there was the morning phone call in which the president bullied and belittled the vice president for refusing to go along with his potential crew. >> i remember. he said, you are a web, you be wimp. "went." is what i remember. it also was before the presiden said that vice president of the effect that, for he will have the courage to make a hard decision." >> worse -- words, i remember something like that markey had. >> soon after the call ended: [changing usa p-uppercase-lette trump would repeat his dangerou liza put a target on vice president pence. >> i hope mike is going to do the right thing. i hope so. and mike pence is going to have to come through for us. >> is that speech is end, insid the capitol:
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>> is mr. giuliani and i walk into vehicle that evening, look commensalism to the effect of, "task excited for the six? we're going to the capitol. it's going to be great. president after going to be there. he's going to look powerful." >> stop the steal stuff napeagu on january 3rd the capitol police issued a special event assessment. congress itself is the target o the sixth. >> now we are on as i say the point of attack. >> listen to what mr. bennett said that they after the first call he had with the president: >> all hell is going to break
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loose tomorrow. >> all i can say is strapped in. >> they thought they could stea this election. >> and then you are donald trum talk again. and we don't know what the contents of those calls were because, of course, donald trum has not provided that information and steve bannon ha not provided information. [chanting fight for america ] the night of january 5th yo were among those summoned to th oval office. >> here's swallah brought to th oval office that evening and th entire press team was assembled in their. >> again opened just a few minutes ago. >> to present at the door to th rose garden opened and you coul hear the crowd when the ellipse already assembled. and you could tell he was feeding off that energy and tha he was really excited for the next day. >> the president was making notes then talking there about we should go up to the capitol, what is the best route to go to the capitol.
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>> for generations committee presentation assessment and recommendation left no doubt that trump had every intention of joining his supporters' much to the capitol. [chanting fight for trump]. the president tell you this, that he wanted to speak at the capitol? correct, yes. [chanting stop the steal ] we have the power in num numbers. we came here to protect our republic. [chanting fight for trump ] the morning of generate six: [chanting usa and you will listen to our stuff napeague supporters began gathering for the rally. >> fighting did not win this election. >> watching it happen. >> fraud. >> it's not made up. >> meanwhile the president's insistence on joining their march to the capitol: >> if we are taking this countr back. >> hirono's lawyers such as pat cipollone very worried -- had white house lawyers like pat cipollone very worried.
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mr. seblani system to the effec of, "make sure we don't go to the capitol my kasy, keep in touch with me." we're going to charge of every color imaginable if you make th moment happen." [chanting fight for trump] >> nobody could change trump's mind. and as he cannot family and is arrived at the rally, his chief of staff, mark meadows, keeping the president's hopes alive. >> were misses trump stage that morning he was on the impressio by mr. meadows that it was stil possible. >> at the rally the president had a more immediate familiar concern: crowd size. >> when we were in the stage a mask area tent behind the stage he was very concerned about different shots. >> or the pictures that were shared, he wanted to make sure that the rally space was full.
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and so he is being told is not that people are waiting to get through these maxima these meta detectors, people don't want to go to them because they have weapons with them. >> during the hearings the select committee showed a secre service report that, "some members of the crowd are wearin ballistic, scott body armor and carrying radio equipment and military grade backpacks." let's listen. the committee also played polic radio transmissions from that day. >> and individual with entry ha got bluejeans in the blue jean jacket and underneath the blue jean jacket painted post saw it stocked with an ar-15. he is with a group of individuals, about 5 to 8 other individuals two of the individuals in that group, they had black pygostyle pistols in their waistbands. >> i've got three men walking o the street, fatigues, carrying ar-15s to copy, fourth street
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and independence. >> yet jump onto the metal detectors, the magnetometers, o mags, removed. >> when we are in the estate t tax, i was in the vicinity of a conversation where are the presidency something to the effect of i don't think care that they have weapons, they ar not here to hurt me, take the ( bleep ) mags away let my people in, they can watch the capitol from here. take the effing mags away. >> let's reflect on that for a moment. president trump was aware that member of the individuals in th crowd had weapons and were wearing body armor. here's what president trump instructed the crowd to do: "w are going to walk down and i'll be there with you. we are going to walk down any
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when you want, but i think righ here. we are going to walk down to th capitol." [cheering ] to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard." >> how would you characterize donald trump's speech at the ellipse on january 6? inciting. he said peacefully and patriotically that he was telling people to go up there. and it's hard not to see that that was tormenting and telling people that he had been harmed, and they should be angry on his behalf. >> you will never take back our country with weakness. you have to show strength and you have to be strong. >> trump's national security advisers delete the president, code-named mogul, was going to join the procession. >> mogul, the president, was, "going to the capitol." and, "they are finding the best route now. >> the catalog continues.
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military has confirmed that he wants to walk. there begging him to reconsider. current route will be 15 to f you f to 66, penn got penn to the capitol to go to this ha happen." >> chris mayes of us here, don' let them lie to you. >> what was he going to do up there? i think just meet his peopl to meet his ways, be with his base. i don't think this is something that he had thought out too wel other than he was acting like somebody who didn't think he ha anything to lose. >> after more than an hour on stage, the president wrapped up his speech this way: >> fight like hell to be and if you don't fight like hell you'r not going to have a country anymore. so let's walk down pennsylvania avenue. i want to thank you all be god bless you, and god bless ame america. >> when he got off the stage: >> let's go. making everybody was making hi
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go back to the motorcade, i overheard mr. meadows said to him that he was still working o getting an off the record movements to the capitol. >> what happened next as trump secret service agent robert bobby angle got to the presidential limousine known as "the beast," was related to hutchinson by trump's deputy chief of staff tony arnoldo. >> when i got to the white hous 20 proceeded to tell me that th president had gotten into the vehicle with bobby. he felt they were going to the capitol people and when bobby had relayed to him that we are not, you don't have the access to do it, is not secure, we are going back to the west wing, th president had very strong and very angry response to that. he described him as being irate. the president said something to the effect of cocoa i am the effing president, take me to th
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capitol now be to which bobby responded, "sir, you have to go back to the west wing." the president rest of toward th front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. ringel grabbed his arm had, "sir, if you need to take your hand off the steering wheel, we're going back to the west wing. we are not going to the cap capitol." >> it's a shocking story and we have now heard from at least th washington d.c. detective something very similar. >> trump would return to the white house, and watches supporters heed his call, the fight like hell. never lose your edge.
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and that that will be it. >> st. matthews donald trump's former deputy white house press secretary, and was in the white house on january 6th. >> it was kind of quiet, to be honest, in the west wing that morning at least. >> that acquired would not last long. after the speeches at the ellipse, the president returned to the white house and the riders made their way to the capitol. >> they broke through, it is on he's already aware of the increasing miles trump went to the private dining room just of the oval office at 1:25 p.m. an remained there until 4:00 p.m. is when donald trump is upset about what he is seeing, he reacts. he was not reacting here. >> for more than three hours th president of the united states refused to call off the wild rioters stormed the us capitol. >> he was watching television and admiring what he saw.
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>> you want a fight, he better believe you got one single. >> that's right. >> and he is happy that the certification was delayed. they were mere efforts to try t get him to issue some kind of statement. those did not work. he did not make a single phone call to any member of his government. this is now essentially a riot piece at 1:49 p.m. when dc police officially declared as a rider trump without a link to a speech on the ellipse, the very one that helps insight that r riot. realizing the severity of the situation white house counsel pat cipollone rest, mark meadow the president's chief of staff. >> and i remember saying something to the effect of the rioters got to the capitol, m mark, we need to go down and se the president now." and mark looked up at him and said, "he doesn't want to do anything, pat." >> it's over!
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you better run, cobb! >> right as a violence surge, president trump wrote, "mike pence did have the courage to d what should have been done to protect our country and constitution." >> it was the last thing that was really needed in that mo moment. it pretty much painted a target the vice president back by tweeting that out. [chanting hang mike pence." closed the ] i never them saying we need to do something more, they are literally calling for the vice president to be effing hong. and mikey responded something t the effect of, "you heard him, pat, he thinks mike deserves i it." >> working communications for president trump, i was very aware of just the impact that his words have on his supp supporters. that we suggested to them that what they were doing at the capitol was okay, and that they were justified in their vio violence, and that it was vice president pence who was allowin
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an election to be stolen. >> mike pence has the traegers president and he has betrayed the people of the united states. >> inside the capitol vice president was rushed from the senate floor. secret service helped pence along with his family and aides in his office and they worked t clear path to safety. >> if we lose any more time, we may lose the ability to leave. >> a biosecurity official who chose to remain anonymous for fear of retaliation explain exactly how dire the situation was for pence and his secret service detail. >> one of the vp detail at this time without the fear for their own lives, including running ou of options, and they were getting nervous. it sound like they came very close to either having to use legal options or worse. >> secret service made the call to move the vice president ag
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again, rioters can within 4 40 feet of him. as he was held in an undisclose location it was the first perso who directed a response to the riots left out chanting stop th steal] >> it was pence who was on the phone with his lawmakers lipaz was on the phone with people in the pentagon about what was happening with the national guard. >> collect 38:00 p.m. trip to local police report up capitol police and law enforcement they are truly in the side of our country. stay peaceful." by this point rioters were in both chambers. and the capitol rotunda was filled with tear gas. >> at the end of this week here's the phrase, "stay peaceful." kayleigh mcenany shared that he did not want to include that, and it took a lot of convincing on their part. that was extremely alarming to
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me. the rioters were getting terms messages in real time -- trumps messages in real terms as her walkie-talkie communications between rioters. >> trump just tweeted please support our capitol police, the are on our side. do not harm them. >> he didn't say not to do anything to the congressman, ha ha. >> i think what the committee showed about trump's tweets is that they to take them lite literally. his messages were received by the people who were there at th capitol. very loudly. >> at any moment during the siege on the capitol, the president could have addressed the country wind from the white house. >> there is a camera on in the white house living room at all times. he could have walked over there could have been on camera almos instantaneously, and blessed ou a message of the american pe people.
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he had every opportunity and chose to not do that. >> when the president finally relented and released a video telling the rioters to go home, it was 4:17 p.m. three hours an seven minutes system riot began. >> it became very clear that th feds had taken the capitol back over, that they were not going to succeed in stopping the counting, and only then did he come out with that statement. >> we had an election that was stolen from us. it was a landslide election and everyone knows it. >> seeing my cameron sutton video but talking about soul election i just immediately kne that he wasn't going to meet th moment and say what was needed in that time. >> so go home, we love you. you are very special. >> yet again many rioters to pronounce words as instructions please i am here delivering the president's message please
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working in communications for him, i knew that i will be tasked with defending that, and we had just witnessed all of this violence at the capitol an these folks attacking police officers chanting horrible things. and i knew that i couldn't defend it because it was indefensible. i resigned that evening. >> intermediat aftermath of the riot is blood and broken glass littered the halls of congress, according to january 6 committe there were those that were stil trying to overturn the election. that evening rudy giuliani, the labor of revoking senators and urge them to continue to try an delay the certification. >> i'm calling you because i want to discuss with you how they are trying to rush this hearing. >> the next day jason called white house counsel john kirschman to discuss an appeal in georgia. >> i had said to him, are you out of your effing mind?
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now i'm going to give the best free legal advice you ever getting in your life: get a great effing criminal defense lawyer, you're going to need i it." and a hung up on him. >> and the president lisa secon video condemning the violence more forcefully on january 7th. >> like all americans i am outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem. >> but according to white house aide cassie hutchinson, it was only the threat of his cabinet invoking the 25th amendment tha convinced him to make this vi video. advisors warns trump is talk of removing him from office was gaining traction. >> think about what might happe in the final 15 days of your presidency if we don't do this. is already talked about invokin the 25th amendment you need thi bases covered. >> and even then he refused to admit the election was over. >> this election is now over.
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congress has certified the results -- i don't want to say the election is over. i just want to say, "congress has certified the results because, without saying the election is over, okay. >> that video just showed you that, even after every single constitutional process has been completed, and after over 50 courts had heard his challenges and rejected them, he still refused. it was fundamentally a reductio of the rule of law. and again america can't sustain itself is we have a commander-in-chief who is at wa with the rule of law. >> coming up: please i want th american people to look at thes hearings and understand how close we came that day to losin close we came that day to losin that self-governance. >> the ballot to prevent another januaror free.y 6th. free monsters, free bosses, any footlong for free!
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>> what we showed in every one of those hearings and every one of those pieces is he knew what he was doing. donald trump knew he was pressuring the vice president. donald trump knew that he was pressuring state officials. he knew he was lying. he was trying to basically change out the doj to be people sympathetic to him to get leads the arrow federal complicity in challenging election results. and he knew when he was sitting in the office during the attack on january 6th that there is a
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chance it would succeed. >> what do you want americans t take away from the hearings tha you held so far? i want the american people to look at these hearings and understand how close we came that data losing that self-governance. freedom isn't free. you have to defend this, and no just overseas, but sometimes he brought home. [chanting usa ] do you miss me yet? do you miss me. [ cheering ] >> in the aftermath of janu january 6th and his election laws: easy anthony gonzalez, that's another pdp -- donald trump has made it his mission t root out everyone in the reporting party that has oppose him. >> john katz kyl, david rodeo piece of the ten republicans in the house of representatives voted to impeach him, lean him to remain. >> get rid of them all. >> the others and i declined to run for reelection such as adam kinzinger, or lost their reelection battle such as liz cheney.
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>> and i will do whatever it takes. >> this mission that you've taken on has cost you your job. do you have any regrets? our obligation, my obligation very much is about politics. i can't imagine having done anything differently at any stage of this process since january 6th. it saddens me that so many of m republican colleagues have not met the moment. >> kinzinger and cheney are the only none to report his and how select committee to investigate the attack on january 6. they have become pariahs in a party where they were once seen as its future. >> we cannot survive as a party existing on the personality of one man. the select committee to investigate the january 6 attac had a herculean task set before the businesses that have conducted more than 1,000 interviews, from hundreds of tapes depositions, and collecte
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more than 140,000 documents. while congress cannot bring charges against the president, the committee can issue a criminal referral to the department of justice. >> this tonish transfer must to the department of justice to sa are you going to defend the constitution, if there is loss that had been broken, and i certainly think there have been please i think what we clearly indicate that the former president of the united states was involved in efforts that were not only constitutional bu also violated the law. >> the committee has indicated it believes donald trump potentially committed obstruction of an official proceeding of congress, and conspiracies during -- to defraud the united states, amongst other potential crimes. the conspiracy charge may be particularly difficult to prove. >> you have to have criminal intent. here you have a problem approving what was in the president's mind.
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i police say, well, he was willfully blind. should have known, yes, but if you did not, i do not know at the crime. >> not everyone shares that v view. >> willfully advised a factual error by the president of the united states would not be either a legal defense or a political defense to the president. that's about as clear as a former judge could say it pays ultimately the department of justice will decide whether to bring any charges, and whom wil be charged. in september the jesse byrd issued a sweeping set of subpoenas, the more than 30 people in the former president' orbit. and their multiple federal gran jury is handling the investigation. he zwiener the justice department had been investigating jeffrey clark. we also know that punishment is someone who is been touched by this investigation. >> i like to see the ward befor you take my property. >> both jeffrey clark and jan eastman have had their phone seized by federal investigators.
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clark dismissed the investigation politically motivated, and eastern thought the doj search warrant in court. about their state-level investigations as well. rudy giuliani had been informed is a target in a drug investigation. >> we will not talk about this until it's over please and appeared before a grand jury in august. at the moment perhaps the most perilous investigation for donald trump has nothing to do with the attack on the capitol. >> former president donald tr trump's mar-a-lago home in florida has been searched by th fbi. >> the investigation that at th moment seems most directly threatening to donald trump is the 1 to his handling of customer documents and taking doctors to mar-a-lago with him he left office. >> the government recovered mor than 320 classified documents from trump's home in florida. the redacted search warrant identified three federal crimes the department of justice would set the foundation of its investigation. obstruction of justice, crimina handling of government records, and violations of the espionage
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act. >> good afternoon. >> the committee is laser focused on his own invest investigation. after the hearing this summer they continued digging, even securing an interview with jeannie, to the conservative activist and wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas where according to committee chair bennie thompson, she doubled down on a false belief that the election was stolen. text messages between thomas an mark meadows show she puts the former chief of staff despite t overturn the election results before january 6th. and that his last hearing in october the committee voted to subpoena all relevant documents and testimony from former president trump. those in favor say aye. [aye peter those opposed is no. in the opinion of the chair the ayes i presume that vote is chair liz cheney has said publicly that the committee is in talks for potential testimon from trump. how much these hearings have impacted the country's view of trump remains unclear.
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i think that the geriatrics hearings actually possess a pretty concise case as i think it got through to voters, and i think it was partly because it was trump's appointees, republican appointees, who were the ones he used to testify against him. while her fingers in voters minds i think is a real open question. >> i don't think that they vote in the sense they changed a lot of minds. his supporters either don't car or still believe what he says, which is that the election was stolen and that biden is not a legitimate elected president of the ten republicans voted to impeach donald trump based on january 6 attack on the capitol eight of them are either retiring or have been defeated in primaries and what does that say to you? that donald trump and his supporters are clear and presen danger to american democracy. >> his already moving mountains and putting things in motion to be able to oppose a future election result that doesn't go his way whether it is promoting conspiracy theorists and
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advocate for them and campaigning for them as secretaries of state, or bankin governors of key swing states were going to support his election lies he is putting all these things in motion and we should be watching it and knowing that it is for future plans that he has. >> 11 people we interviewed hav expressed concerns not just about what happened but what will happen. in fact, we see a whole bunch o election lawyers running for office. are you worried? i am very worried. the responsibility that we all have to make sure that we defen our republic in that we defend our institutions has to be abou politics. there are people running so tha they are in a position that the will be able to certify the results only for donald trump t be that is obviously for the mentally a threat to the survival of the republic and i think those people have all got to be defeated. >> huband from the rooftops thi is not just about 2020. you are worried about 2034. will worried about teacher elections?
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i am. and right now the former president and his allies and supporters, including in congress, and including in the states, represent a clear and present danger to american democracy. that's not because of what they did on january 6th, it's becaus of what they pledged to do and 234. >> think that republicans are hearing what you're saying? i hope they are. there is evidence that they've heard anything today. >> our democracy in the united states relies upon good people in positions of power to the lawful and right thing, from th president all the way down to local officials. we are having these discussions because there were enough pe people, enough republicans, who did the right thing in 2020. perhaps next time there will be. many of the republicans on the ballot for the 232 winter elections are supporters of trump's election lies, where said outright they reject the
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results of the last presidentia election. and immediately following the violence here on january 6 at the capitol, two thirds of the house republican conference, tw thirds voted to not count electoral votes from pennsylvania based on those sam lies. january 6 have taught us anything, it's that nothing is guaranteed. this is the american experiment not the american proven serum. for our republic to survive, we need our elected officials loya not to 1 man but to the united states of america.

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