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just do it. your voice needs to be heard. >> yeah. like nike. >> just do it. >> reporter: there's not much time left before election day. the future of this democracy is in your hands. you still have the power to vote and hold on to this democracy. that's the news. reporting from atlanta, i'm jim acosta. i'll see you back here next week in washington. don't go anywhere. cnn's erin burnett kicks off our very special cnn night of coverage of the upcoming midterm elections right now. have a good night.
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good evening. i'm erin burnett. welcome to a special edition of "outfront" tonight in the closing stretch of this extremely consequential election with only two days to go and control of the u.s. congress literally hanging in the balance. the biggest names from both parties are out in full force with the candidates on this sunday in these final hours. in florida the former president trump headlining a rally for marco rubio who is facing of course the democrat val demings there. >> you're going to elect an incredible slate of true maga warriors to congress many of whom are here right now. >> in new york president biden is about to take the stage in new york governor kathy hochul's re-election effort. the race between hochul and republican lee zeldin is much tighter than expected as election day nears. across the nation here is how it boils down. 435 house races. 35 senate and 36 governor races all up for grabs. in the house, 56 seats are considered in play.
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this includes 12 states with races that are considered toss ups. in the senate, seven of them are either toss ups or just vary so slightly tilting republican or democrat. which is why the stakes truly could not be higher. we have correspondents across the country tonight along with the best team of analysts standing by on this special sunday night. i want to begin in arizona in queen creek. in these final hours, kari lake the republican gubernatorial candidate receiving a suspicious white powder i understand today. what do you know about that? >> reporter: well, they haven't had a chance at least kari lake hasn't had a chance to appear on camera yet. we anticipate she will at this event in just a couple hours where she will make her final campaign stop two days before the election. but overnight they dealt with the security threat. what happened? phoenix police say it took place at her headquarters. the lake campaign said that it
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received an envelope and opened up an envelope that contained white powder. the bomb squad was called as well as the fbi, the fire department, and police. the street was shut down for seven hours. we are told the staffer is doing just fine. the campaign did release a statement saying that essentially rest assured they will not be intimidated. democrats on the campaign trail have been condemning this incident from katy hobbs who is running against kari lake to senator mark kelly the democratic incumbent who said this. >> it's horrible. i mean, there is no place in our democracy for stuff like that hopefully it turns out to be nothing and i hope nobody is hurt or injured from stuff like that. but we don't need anybody -- anybody doesn't need to be doing anything like that. it is just wrong. >> reporter: in his words,
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especially meaningful and poignant because he is a husband of former congresswoman gabby giffords who was shot at one of her political events. >> thank you very much. in georgia, another one of the most closely watched senate races in the country, and one that could take a long time to know who wins. the incumbent democrat warnock is neck and neck with the republican herschel walker, today walker on the trail hammering president biden. >> somebody in the republican party, is he crazy? the biggest threat to a democracy is to have him in the white house, is it not? >> let's go to atlanta tonight, and herschel walker made it actually all about biden, right? it wasn't about warnock but biden again and again trying to tie his opponent to the president. obviously he believes this is the winning strategy in these final hours.
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>> reporter: erin, they certainly do believe it is the strategy to tie the two together and say senator warnock is simply a rubber stamp for the biden administration. of course that is not necessarily accurate because senator warnock has been pushing back, actually was one of the first democratic senators, the incumbents to try and put distance between himself and the biden administration. he said, he is even saying now on the campaign trail he is going to work with anyone even ted cruz. so trying to cast himself as a bipartisan senator. but the reality here is president biden has not stepped foot in georgia for months. this is a state of course he narrowly won in 2020. it's the state that delivered the senate, the democratic majority, very slim majority, but his unpopularity has kept him from here. so the strategy of republicans and the walker campaign is to try and tie senator warnock to the president. it's happening in direct mail people are getting in their homes, happening on a television ads and also on the campaign trail as well. we will see if it works but certainly that is what they're
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trying to do. of course as you said this race could go into overtime. we should remind people if neither one of the candidates gets over 50% tuesday it goes into a run-off and that is december 6th. so there could be more time to go here in georgia. >> i imagine if everyone is waiting until december 6th or after that even. all right. thank you very much. let's go to john king at the magic wall. let's start with the georgia. obviously as jeff is explaining it could go to a run-off. many expect it will in which case we might not know the winner for several weeks. but when you look at the complete map and who will control the senate let's talk about the senate first if that's okay. what are you looking at? >> your show your rules. what am i looking at? as jeff just pointed out the most complicated chess game of midterms i've covered in quite sometime. the democrats could lose one or two seats in the senate. historically that would be good except because of this, it is a 50/50 tie right now. we all know that. the democrats need to defy
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history if they are to hold the senate. where does the georgia race play in? here is how we rank them heading into election day. georgia is one of the tossups. so is pennsylvania. georgia currently held -- i mean pennsylvania held by republicans. what happens here? why is georgia so important? democrats are worried out here. they're worried nevada is going to go republican, right? if nevada, right now a democratic state if you pull out to the map, but if nevada goes, say they lose one, a hypothetical, say the democrats lose just one. right? then what happens? if you pick up one here in pennsylvania it would all come down to what? georgia. now the republicans need 51 for the majority. democrats need only 50. in this complicated chess game the question is can senator warnock overcome the governor's race? the republican is favored there. can he do that on tuesday? or do we do the math and then have a chance where, is it possible, december 6th could decide the fate of the senate. is it possible yet again the
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georgia run-off will decide who controls the senate? it absolutely is. >> incredible. the house theoretically we would know before that point but when we talk about 12 races that are essentially tossups or ever so slight leans what are you focused on there? >> 435 in all but of course most house districts are pretty safe democrat or republican. that is the way the lines are drawn. using our partners at inside elections we see 82 competitive races. let's take a closer look. when you look at them this way now we rank them. you see a lot of blue on this map right? democrats are on defense in a lot morays. 57 democratic incumbent seats on defense. only 20 republican. so heading into the democratic president's first midterm year and the challenging races are coast to coast. it may take days. it could take weeks. remember 2018. it took a long time for california to finish the count. but we will get a pretty good sense early in the night because there are so many competitive districts here in the east.
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there's a democrat in maine trying to hold on. there are two in new hampshire. three in pennsylvania. and so on. we will get a clue pretty early in the night from the eastern time zone, the early poll closing. we'll know then is there evidence of a red wave? is there evidence of a red ripple? or democrats hand to hand combat and defining history? we'll know early. >> right now the forecasts are to either outcome. people associate watching elections with you and the wall. when we were talking a few days ago and you said this is the most unusual and strange election you have seen in your entire career it really stuck with me. is this still the case in the final hours that you find this to be the strangest one thus far? >> less so if you track the data. meaning in the last ten days the data has broken toward the republicans pretty consistently. however the counterargument from democrats is number one the early vote. they insist they'll over perform. we'll see when it gets counted. they also insist they have a turn out operation especially
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learning the lesson among latino voters in places like nevada and arizona. i said it was complicated because they had the dobbs decision, a traditional midterm year then the dobbs decision. we saw the kansas referendum and the spike in voter registration. the tug of war in the final days crime and inflation. those issues work for republicans in the suburbs. a lot of the house districts are in the suburbs. all of the big senate races will be decided in the suburbs. crime and inflation are working for the republicans quite well. the abortion issue works for democrats. the question is had it faded in the end and you see the president and others at the end trying to make democracy and the return of trump an issue in the suburbs. a tug of war. tuesday we count them. >> tuesday we count and start to count in some cases. >> start to count. >> all right. john will be back with us in our special coverage tonight. thanks for now. we'll see you in a few minutes. next president biden campaigning with new york governor hochul at this hour joining a long list of the biggest democratic names heading
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to new york. why in the world do they have to head to new york? you would never think of such a thing. what is going on in the empire state? plus donald trump and ron desantis holding dueling rallies in florida today. is this how it will look in 2024? a major bright spot for democrats tonight the maryland governor's race. i'll talk to a candidate who has never run for office and is on the cusp of making history. a special edition as we count down to election day. our panel is next. i brought in ensure max protein with 30 grams of protein. those who tried me
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just wrapped up a rally for senator rubio. we have our panel. all here tonight for our full special coverage. okay. let's start with new york. you know, you and i are new yorkers. it is a little surprising that you're seeing this race look like this shall we say or a lot surprising that the president of the united states is choosing to be in new york tonight to campaign for an incumbent democratic governor. >> that's right. democrats on defense. you don't send the president to new york on the weekend before the election unless you're scared. democrats are running scared. they didn't think they had to worry about the governor's race with kathy hochul versus lee zeldin or really about the congressional seats and they screwed up that redistricting and now they do and they're playing serious defense and are panicked. they think maybe they'll pull it out at the end of the day.
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zeldin has some motives to not certify the election. he is a congressman from a swing district east end of lnds. democrats have a problem with crime, problem in the suburbs and running scared in new york. >> and it's not just president biden, right? it's the former president bill clinton, vice president kamala harris, it's hillary clinton. that's a lot of people to be putting in new york. >> bill and hillary clinton are actually new yorkers. >> you don't have to pay for their travel. >> they had to pay a toll and they're here. >> tolls are a big part of the election. go ahead. >> look, first of all joe biden had to go somewhere where a candidate wanted him to be. that is first. >> ooh. >> i mean, that's just the fact. when you're running in midterm elections what do you know? when a president is unpopular usually people distance themselves from that president. the fact is democrats are going to have a good night when it comes to gubernatorial races. >> true. >> oregon, washington state, new york, where republicans thought
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they would play offense they're going to put those to bed. the three states that really matter particularly for 2024 going forward, you have wisconsin, you have michigan, and you have pennsylvania. we're going to do extremely well in those three races, some closer than you wished but those three races are important as you go to 2024. when republicans do whatever they want in the legislature to inhibit voting you have democratic governors. the senate, the house are important but a lot of democrats are going to be looking at gubernatorial mansions. >> where they want to score some wins of course. you have trump did not appear in new york for zeldin, which probably was smart. >> exactly. >> he was with rubio today. >> i wanted to agree. i'm glad he said it there are not many places in america joe biden would be welcome with open arms sunday night before an election. new york state is one. it is one of the places trump wouldn't be welcomed with open arms.
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>> true. >> letitia james may be hunting him down if he came to the state. i'd be going to places like florida and that are ruby red. arizona may not be a bad place to show up. it would have been a mistake. lee zeldin has a tough race here, tough to close in manhattan. i don't know how he gets across the threshold of 30% or whatever he needs to win. >> that would be as the young kids would say these days epic and unlikely. so one of the governor's races i know you're watching closely is michigan. governor whitmer is running for re-election and has a rally tonight in the final hours. why do you think that one is so important? >> i think because so many of the big themes of this election kind of come to a head in michigan. so there is the election denialism. you have candidates who have embraced that. then you actually have consequences and you saw threats on the governor, right, so it is not theoretical to the voter. like oh, okay that seems bad. kidnapping plot. and then there's other aspects
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of it on the republican side. i've been following the candidates who care a lot about education and have been talking about parents' rights and trying to thread the needle on that issue which many suburban voters especially white republican women are very compelled by. all of these things kind of are wrapped up in that state in a state that people thought was part of the blue wall thanks to barack obama but clearly because of trump and his sort of drawing of the kind of reagan democrat concept there's just like much more at play there. it is not as obvious and at the same time all of the themes we've been talking about kind of come to a head. >> okay. so now, you know, you were joking but being serious when you said there are not many places president biden would be wanted right now. part of the reason is historical. we are in a midterm election and usually the incumbent president isn't somebody anybody wants hanging around their district at that time. what are you looking at? his approval rating is what, 40ish percent?
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>> in the cnn poll of polls, look, i love some perspective and history. here's the benchmark to keep in mind. since 1982, the last 40 years, when a president is below 50% they have averaged 46 house seats being lost. if you look at the presidents that falls by, it is ronald reagan. he lost 26. bill clinton lost 52 in '94. obama lost 63 seats in 2010. trump of course lost 40 in 2018. so you see that gravitational pull. the pendulum swing away from a president's party and it is compoundedly worse when the president is under water. i will note though three of the four presidents got re-elected. pretty handily. >> right. that is a more complicated one this time around obviously but an interesting point. do you share that -- do you think you'll buck that trend? sort of like the schumer optimism. >> the bucking the trend thing i'm not necessarily certain. i do think what is going to
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highlight is democrats will fare better than people imagine because they'll only lose 25 house seats, right? let's just be honest. >> you think you're losing 50, 25 looks good. >> just giving away 25. >> i'm just saying it won't be 63. >> physically impossible. >> i think what tuesday night is going to show us is the difference in caliber of candidates because when you highlight what avalon was just mentioning you have people like rafael warnock, tim ryan, mark kelly, who are literally running 10% above the president in their respective states. that is very, very difficult to do. if you didn't have blake masters, herschel walker, amet oz you might have a different night. >> still going to lose. >> i like this. perhaps. >> perhaps. it appears. alleged. >> could be a 1% night. >> stay with us on our special coverage tonight. next the republican senator ron johnson is running for re-election casting doubt on the election process days before voters go to the polls.
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welcome back to a special weekend edition of "outfront" with just two days to go until the 2022 midterms. moments ago the former president donald trump wrapped up the campaign rally in miami. it was for senator marco rubio. taking the stage for more than an hour and a half. rain poured down in the final minutes of his speech. not enough to stop him. he still continued to push his baseless claims about the election he lost in 2020 while also raising doubts before election day about this year's results. >> the election was rigged and stolen and now our country is being destroyed. i ran twice. i won twice. i did much better the second time than i did the first. getting millions and millions more votes in 2020 than we got
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in 2016. we are just two days away from the most important midterm election in american history. we need a landslide so big the radical left cannot rig it or steal it. >> kristen holmes is out front and at the rally. an hour and a half, even speaking through the rain. what else did you hear as part of trump's message for the midterms? obviously that was a place marco rubio wanted him to be. >> reporter: that's right. you say an hour and a half like it's long. the last several rallies have been over two hours. this was considered a short one. you talk about the closing message, the final days before the midterms. the message we heard from donald trump has been a dark one. of course you heard him talk about the election denying and talking about possibly a rigged election coming up in 2022 and 2024. he's also been focusing on crime particularly the hands of illegal immigrants. he has talked about death,
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murder, drug dealers. very similar to what we heard back in 2016 when he was running for president. of course as we have reported he is eying a third presidential run announcing as early as the two weeks between the midterms and thanksgiving but i will say that the crowd here seemed to be eating it up. they stayed here through the entire rally even when the pouring rain was coming down, cheering for him. perhaps the largest cheers did come when they started chanting four more years when he hinted at another presidential run. one interesting thing that we saw here in miami that we haven't seen at other rallies is the focus that he put on senator marco rubio. he usually comes to the rallies and stumps largely for himself with a small mention of the candidate. here he spent a lot of time talking about marco rubio, interesting given their history, the fact they haven't always been completely aligned on everything. the other reason why this is interesting is because there were a lot of questions as to why trump even came to miami. rubio is running against val demings for his third term as
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senator and is seen as a strong favorite. there were a lot of questions as to whether this was a shot across the brow to florida governor desantis largely seen as trump's most formidible republican opponent in 2024. >> just making sure little marco won't run against him, his nickname for him. now it is ron desanctimonious. outfront now, the executive director and founder of the center for election innovation and research, the coauthors of "the big truth, upholding democracy in the age of the big lie." so, you know, you talk about this book, major, as a cause. you wanted to be sure people knew the truth. start with where we are now. more than 40 million pre-lex ballots have already been cast. 40 million americans have already voted in early voting in 47 states, way ahead of anything we've seen before. what does that tell you? >> it is way ahead of the midterm in 2018 which is the benchmark. and it tells us that there's a
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lot of anxiety and concern about the state of american democracy at this fundamental level. american voters are accessing an -- experiencing an accessible way to vote and they're doing it, letting their voices be heard and counted. this book tells americans of every political party the way we cast and count ballots in our country has never been better. one quick note about what the former president just said about he got millions more votes in 20 than 2016. that is true. >> that is the true part of the statement. >> the true part. the election was not rigged or stolen from him. then he had this idea that the radical left did something in 2020 to him. well, if that is true how did all those republicans win the house races they won? how did republicans win disproportionately and unexpectedly large numbers at state legislative outcomes? was the radical left propelling republicans to win all of those races? no. that is the actual result. just as the actual result in 2020 is joe biden won.
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donald trump lost. >> and, yet, he pumps it every time he can, david. he had a whole cadre of people across the country running in races right now who pump the same lie. by our count in 12 states the republican nominee for the job of overseeing future elections talking about secretaries of state, direct election den ire. someone who questioned, rejected, or even tried to overturn the results of the 2020 election. here are three of the secretary of state candidates with that point of view. >> donald trump won michigan. >> ladies and gentlemen, we know it. and they know it. donald trump won. >> we have something in common. president trump and i lost an election in 2020 because of a rigged election. >> you write in your book and i quote you, putting election deniers in charge of elections is like hiring a surgeon who does not believe in blood transfusions, anesthesias or
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samals. what do you think it will look like if some of them win? >> some might and some are very close. a chief election official performs a very important function supporting the local officials who run elections. they often set standards applied statewide so everyone knows the rules going into the election. it is a very important part of the process. what someone who is somewhat corrupt in that position could do is put their thumb on the scale for their party, fail to support local election officials who need the support desperately. they could fail to establish standards. ultimately the goal might be to actually erode the guard rails around democracy to allow for more election denialism only when their candidates lose. this doesn't happen when they win. this is all about outcomes, not an actual problem with the process. to create more uncertainty which could lead to potentially violence in the post election period, might be the ultimate result of this. >> that is one of the things we worry about very much in the book. >> and you write about that. major, you also write about how it is personal for you. i was thinking about this.
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i remember going to vote with my mother. it was a fire house in our small town. and it was a ritual to go and vote. and your mom regularly worked polls for elections until she passed away i know in 2014 your daughter has served as a poll worker. and now there's all these threats on election workers. >> yes. >> in a sense, it is personal, something you personally understand. >> it is not just personal to me but to millions of americans who ever work the polls themselves or know someone in their family or circle of friends who do this. hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of americans fuel our democratic experiment by volunteering to work precincts as poll workers. they don't get paid a lot. there is certainly no glamour involved. it is hard work. you show up well before election. the day starts and you stay long after. and your training period is weeks and weeks before. it's their civic commitment just as it was my mother's. my mother in the '60s and '70s was an executive for a company back then known as at&t ma bell. she was an engineer.
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she had a very busy life. she never missed an election, to walk up the hill to the neighborhood precinct and do her civic duty. it also helped her keep track of the neighborhood. she was a busy person. hundreds of thousands of americans do. it is one of the best things we do in our country and the dichotomy we're going through right now, we don't have a structural problem. we have a psychic problem. the psychic energy is to doubt and to proclaim something stolen when it wasn't just because you feel bad about the result. that is an exercise in psychology. it is not an exercise in how we actually do this. >> right. >> or furtherance of the american democratic -- >> as the former president said, if you say it enough they believe you. this is why part of the reason why i know you talk about the fear. you both have of violence. >> well, it is really remarkable because as major alluded 2020 was the most secure transparent and verified election in american history, a triumph of american ingenuity. we somehow managed the highest turnout we ever had in the middle of a global pandemic and all of the results with stood
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the most intense scrutiny from over 60 courts. as we sit here two years from that election there's still not a shred of evidence presented to any court or law enforcement agency. and yet that has driven tens of millions of people, these lies, to the brink of violence. we saw it on january 6th. i hope we don't see that in the aftermath of the upcoming election. the officials have the job well in hand and are doing a really good job. we are going to see probably potentially record turn out for a mid terp. they are doing a great job. everything up until 8:00 p.m. on election night is going to go well. the question is what happens after? >> a lot of that is in the hands of some very public and powerful people like the former president. thank you both very much. i hope everyone will get this and read it. there is so much in here. thank you. >> thank you. "outfront" next the bright spots for democrats, governors races in michigan, pennsylvania, and maryland. why voters there appear to be rejecting the trump backed republicans for governor. the democratic candidate for
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instead of talentless people from all over my house. welcome back to a special edition of "outfront" looking at a live picture of president biden campaigning tonight with the new york governor kathy hochul. he'll be in maryland tomorrow supporting the democratic -- the democrat running for governor there, a race expected to be a major bright spot for democrats polls showing the democratic candidate wes moore who never held office with a commanding lead over his republican
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challenger dan cox, president biden campaigning with moore the day before election day. if moore wins he'd be the first african american governor of the state of maryland and a pickup for democrats because he would succeed the republican governor larry hogan a moderate republican who is term limited. wes moore is out front and i appreciate your time. we've been talking about president biden and his approval ratings and a midterm election year not good for the incumbent president usually but you are appearing with president biden tomorrow night and a lot of your candidates in your party have been reluctant to do so. how come you see him as such an asset? >> i see the president and him coming to maryland as a very big deal for maryland for two reasons. the first is it is going to be really important that we have a really strong relationship with washington. we have a lot we have to get done as a state. we're going to move fast and we are excited to be in partnership with the white house and biden administration in order to do it. i think the other big thing is
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this. the president sees what we in maryland see, that this is an exciting time for maryland and this is going to be maryland's decade. we know that as a state we are prepared and ready to move fast. that when we say we'll have a 21st century education system for all of our students we mean that and maryland will lead. when we say we'll address the issue of public safety in our communities and schools and making sure our children never have a right, should never feel unsafe in their own communities, we mean that and maryland will lead. and so the fact that the president is coming down the day before election day to campaign with us is exciting for us because i think it is a real recognition of the level of energy and excitement we keep on seeing on the ground in maryland. >> look, obviously you'll be if you win succeeding a republican governor term limited larry hogan, a moderate. he took on trump in many cases. maryland has obviously tended to vote democratic. but there's often been splits within the state. democrats in other statewide races in maryland are still showing the strong leads over their opponents that you are.
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anthony brown running strong in the race for attorney general, democrats control the legislature. why do you think democrats in your state have been largely spared the head winds that let's just be honest many other democrats across this country are facing this year? >> because i think as a party we've stayed focused on what marylanders are telling us to stay focused on. we understand. that is why, you know, i've been unabashed and unafraid when we talk about the fact maryland will be a safe haven for abortion rights and aboring access. i believe deeply aboring is health care. abortion is health care. when we're going on the campaign trail talking about that it resonates with people. as a state we have to be more competitive and more equitable and that is not a choice. we can and will do both. i think that is exactly where marylanders are and what marylanders are looking for from the next governor. but also i think that patriotism is on the ballot. democracy is on the ballot. and so when i say that my definition of patriotism was leading my family and serving
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this country as a member of the armed forces and leading paratroopers in afghanistan and my opponent's definition was putting on a baseball cap asking people to join him on january 6 i think marylanders understand what is on the ballot and that is why i believe deeply and we are pushing hard to make sure democrats all up and down the ballot and across the state will be successful in maryland on tuesday night. >> thank you very much, wes. i appreciate your time. you know, when you talk about maryland, let's bring in our cnn politics reporter and editor at large. democrats are looking strong in several key governors' races where a democrat is up against a republican who is an election denier. that is the case in maryland, right? he is running against dan cox who has attended qanon events and a total election denier. you also see democrats leading in pennsylvania and michigan as well. is there anything that ties these together? why are democrats doing well in those races? >> well, first of all i think
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because donald trump endorsed candidates in all three of those races and all three of those candidates won including dan cox in maryland. the problem is, he endorsed them because they were election deniers. tudor dixon in michigan is another example. doug masri ando is a major example in pennsylvania. he didn't endorse them because they'd be the best candidate to win a general election. donald trump thinks mainly about donald trump and his issues. donald trump's big issue as you just played his speech from miami, election denialism. he puts it at the center of everything. these were not candidates -- dan cox is a great example -- no demonstrated wider appeal. when you nominate a candidate like that against someone like wes moore who is i think a rising star and someone we'll hear more from if as i expect he does win, more on the national stage, just a mismatch. >> here is the thing about wes moore's race as well as some of the others. in that case the democratic governor's association ran an ad in the primary. that was to support the election
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denier dan cox because they thought it would be a better person to run against. let's put that out there. it wasn't the only place that happened. the democrats actually did put money into the campaigns of some of these extreme gop candidates in the primary because they thought they'd rather run against them. >> yes. >> therefore they'd rather lose against them than run against someone on substance and policy right? they wanted to make it about election denialism as well. do you think that strategy will pay off? put the morality and rightness of that completely aside for one moment. >> yeah. i was going to say i think we can have a legitimate debate over whether a party that says election denialism sits as a threat to democracy should be running ads that are supportive of candidates who support election denialism. that is a worthy debate. politically speaking it was very smart. one of the states you just showed is pennsylvania. i want to talk about that. that is probably the most important state governorship in the country. the governor of pennsylvania appoints the election officials in that state.
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we know pennsylvania was a swing state in 2016. it was a swing state in 2020. we expect it to be in 2024. i think they got doug mastriano and josh shapiro is likely to win by a significant number in a swing state. if another candidate had been nominated for the republican nomination i'm not sure it would have been as easy. politically, put aside the morality, politically pennsylvania, illinois is another example, maryland, it is going to work. >> all right. thank you very much. >> thank you. next, democrats trying to get it together on messaging as the hours tic by until in-person, live voting on tuesday. we're going live to pennsylvania and wisconsin. john king will join us at the magic wall to go through those specific and crucial states, coming up.
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welcome back to the special edition of "outfront" the final sprint to election day and two mom i prominent democrats. >> we're getting crushed on narrative. we have to do better getting on the offense and not defense. >> he's out there in california and i'm out here and been all over ohio and tim ryan and with mandela barns in wisconsin and sherry beasley in north carolina. i think either we are ahead in these races or we are in striking distance.
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>> bakbakari, who is right? those are interesting names thrown in there. tim ryan? >> don't get on the bad side of senator klobuchar. she was absolutely right. the audacity of knewnewsom and this about him is terrible. he doesn't have the fortitude to endorse karen bass. choose something. if you're concerned have the fortitude to stand up and make a choice. >> he's running advertisements in red states so he's trying to position himself as a leader in the party. and also, we heard hillary clinton on cnn this morning talking about messaging. we heard also barack obama saying hey, i really wish people would have messaged x, y and z. this is not going to be an unusual elocristicism wednesday morning and there is another
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conve conversation. >> this is an interesting point. you heard chuck schumer was over heard on the tarmac saying it's not looking so good. then he was speaking publicly a few days later, we'll take up and get more seats in the house. we'll hold the senate. i mean, it was a complete 180 when it went public. >> he has one job to say we're going to win. >> right. you know, obviously on the hot mike saying the opposite. this is the real question. newsom or klobuchar, who is right? >> when the people say the problem is the messaging, not policies, they're cell phoning. look, this is clearly a preview of coming attractions but klobuchar is right to stay focused on the races active, winning some seats that have not gotten adequate support from the national democratic party and that's where the future of the party will come. not by doubling down on california. >> well, in this very quick segment i want to agree with gl
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gavin knewsom. who is the messenger? joe biden hovering around 40%? that's your messenger? what's the message? abortion. democracy. they keep changing it. hilary rosen hit it this morning. kitchen tables, crime and inflation. when america tells you those are the issues, listen to america. >> give us your post moo on wednesday. >> i don't know. >> all right. all staying with me and next, more of the special edition of midterm special election coverage coming up. we'll look in detail at the hotly contested senate race in pennsylvania between fetterman and oz. john king will be back. there's no place like unknown. unreal. ththe all-new lexus rx. never lose your edge.. ♪ [sfx: stomach gurgling] it's nothing... sounds like something. ♪ when you have nausea, heartburn, indigestion, ♪
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