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it's 8:00. >> it's 8:00. >> good morning. >> goes by quickly when you have this much news. >> don lemon, poppy harlow, kaitlan collins. monday, november 7th, election eve. excited? >> yeah. >> i'm excited. >> a lot to get to this morning. one more day for the candidates to make their closing arguments before the people decide. we will hear from voters across the country today to see what is on their mind. >> also some very troubling developments over the weekend. suspicious white powder send to kari lake's campaign headquarters in arizona and opened by one of her staffers. now the arizona republican is speaking out. industries across america are laying off workers in a very uncertain economy. we'll tell you how airlines are

responding to the volatile. we have the ceo of delta in this hour. first, the final days of the campaign trail, we'll talk about that. president biden stomping for democrats who have one notable thing in common. they are all taking on republican opponents who are known election deniers and skeptics. some democrats are warning that biden and the party's focus on democracy at stake could be costly. >> and i think we're going to have a bad night, and this conversation is not going to have much impact on tuesday, but i hope it has an impact going forward, because when voters tell you over and over and over again that they care mostly about the economy, listen to them. stop talking about democracy being at stake. democracy is at stake because people are fighting so much about what elections mean. voters have told us what they wanted to hear, and i don't think democrats have delivered this cycle.

>> a very important point from hilary rosen. let's get to m.j. lee. the question is, are democrats listening and if they are, is it already too late? >> reporter: it's really interesting. if you map out the president's final three days of campaign traveling ahead of election day, you see he's stumping for doug mastriano in pennsylvania, dan cox in maryland, these are candidates that span the range of having openly spread lies and conspiracy theories about the 2020 election or raised questions about the election results last time around. d would say this just simply shows just how many republican election deniers are on the ballot this cycle. don, you're right. there's such a serious question right now about the strategy of the president focusing in the last final stretch on the issue of election denialism and

integrity when you heard there hilary rosen saying over the weekend, we know that voters overwhelmingly care about the issue of the economy and inflation. really, is it a mistake to focus on these other issues when we know that's the number one overwhelming issue for voters right now? >> we're about to find out the answer to that question tomorrow. >> the final stop, maryland. what's the thinking there? final stop for the president? >> part of it is symbolic. it is the state where the president kicked off his midterms campaigning earlier this summer in maryland. it ooh r's also trying to end on a high note. democrats feel good that wes moore will win that race. this is a state where the governor's mansion will go from red to blue if everything goes their way. i think one thing we're seeing in the president's final travels is, yes, he's the leader of the party, but there is sort of a limit to how much he can help politically right now and a limit to the appetite for people that want his help. so much of that, again, comes back to the issue of the economy and the political reality that

when the economy is in bad shape, the president is often the person who really geltz the blame. >> m.j. lee at the white house this morning, thank you, m.j. m.j. just mentioned gubernatorial races across the country. in arizona democrat case tea hobbs is making a push to try to get moderates' votes while kari lake is finishing up with the trumpian message. kyung lah has been covering this for quite a while. you're in phoenix. what can you tell us? >> reporter: good morning. what we're definitely seeing from these two women who want to be arizona's governor is they are going to push until the very, very end. we're seeing democrat katie hobbs hold three rallies today. she's closing on that message, trying to zoom in on the moderates. that is where the campaign believes that the battle is truly happening. a third of the voters are independents in this state.

so what katie hobbs is saying is the message of what she's calling sanity over chaos, leaning in on democracy as well as abortion rights. kari lake, on the other hand, the republican, is taking a different turn. last night at her event, i was there. we definitely felt a different tone. she invited steve bannon to the stage. she also campaigned with election liar rick grin nell, returning to the maga roots which led to her original rise. she's closing on the economy as well as border issues, but also definitely hitting that right wing element hoping to really energize them on election day. >> that's what she's been doing. i want to know what kari lake said overnight. she spoke out about this package that she said contained white powder, sent to her campaign office, opened by a staffer. what's the latest update on that? >> reporter: we do know the fbi

is investigating. they don't know where it came from, or at least not saying anything. the staffer did open it in the office. it led to a dloez your of the office as well as the entire block for about seven hours overnight. kari lake says she's not going to focus on this as her closing message. she did touch on this in talking to reporters. take a listen. >> we're in dangerous times. this is not the first time we've been threatened. it's wrong that this is happening, and we're going to track these people down. >> reporter: one thing to note is that misinformation, anger, hatred, threats, that has been the undercurrent of much of arizona politics in the last couple of years. it is something that is certainly reerg its head in these final hours. one thing to note, it is having an impact on the ground. all law enforcement in maricopa county has been instructed to

cancel personal time, no vacation as voters head to the polls. >> kyung lah, thank you. also in the lead-up to tomorrow's midterms, election lies are still a huge issue, especially in the battleground states where the lies are not so funny. our next guest, "the daily show's" jordan klepper has been speaking to voters. this is what they've said to him. >> the most beautiful thing i ever saw, thousands, maybe a million people gathered, so quiet. it was a peaceful rally. >> january 6th? >> january 6th. >> birds chirping, police officers screaming? >> no. >> some of them were attacked that day. >> they were? >> did you not see the videos? >> i couldn't watch it. >> why is that? >> we were at home watching on tv what happened, i said turn that off. that is not what happened today. >> you didn't see any violence?

>> no. >> when you wereality home, you turned it off. >> it wasn't true. not an accurate description. >> was it magic george luke ks shit? >> could be. i don't know. >> the "the daily show's" jorda clep per joining us. >> it was playing out. >> a great example, what she saw was peaceful. i don't doubt it that there were points of the day that were peaceful from her perspective. when confronted with information that could change her mind, she turned it off. that's it in a nutshell. >> you don't see what happens if you turn it off and don't watch it. >> yes, yes. we've been taught you can live in your own bubble if you choose to. i think she was getting information that she didn't like. so she has ability to retain that image. that's the image she's going to vote with. >> i love this. your team did an extraordinary job. it's a lot of work to go to all these states, all these events,

get these people to talk to you. they did. what was stunning for me, and she's an example of it, is how many people still believe these election lies. there are republicans in office who are shooting it down, but there are also republicans running like ron johnson in wisconsin who are perpetuating them still up ahead of tomorrow. how dangerous do you think it is for these people who have these beliefs not to have them corrected by some in their own party? >> i think the adults in the room are acting like children. you can craft your own reality. i expected to go out there and talk about what happened the last election, whether they accepted that. i was surprised how many people aren't accepting what's going to happen in the next election. when you have adults who are like, you don't need to believe what happened with widen/trump. what should i believe about what's going to happen in a week, what's going to happen tomorrow? already folks told me i'm not going to believe it if i don't like it. >> if i don't like it.

>> if i don't get what i want, i don't have to accept it. a lot of people won't be happy tomorrow because they won't lose because they choose to accept it. >> jordan is making fun of these people, but what you're doing is asking them questions and they're answering on their own. do you feel -- i don't know -- sorry -- how do you feel about the people who are answering you? they are adults, but they're being co-opted by, as you said, people in the room that are adults but acting like children. >> i understand people want to be a part of a movement. they want a community, a sense of meaning. you go to a lot of these events and you have politicians who give them a sense of a meaning. they tell them they're a patriot and to fight. they're around like-minded people. i empathize with wanting to be a part of those things. i think it's scary because it's being manipulated by people who should know better. all i'm doing is trying to get a lay of the land, what do you

actually believe? what is sinking in? it's not sinking in -- >> is there anything you can do or say, any fact, if you show them the video -- the one woman said i'm not even going to watch it live on tv even though you can see the reality. is there anything -- >> facts move slow, bs moves a lot faster. family members have the best shot. >> how lonely is it on the ground when you talk to these people and they believe it? >> it's exhausting. i'm constantly surprised by how far these narratives change and move. i went to one expected to talk about roe v. wade, and within minutes i'm talking to older women in wisconsin who are talking about jfk junior being alive and the vice president. as a comedian, it's shocking and humorous at times. i think the exhaustion comes from just how quickly we move with our wishful thinking. >> jordan, thank you for this. it's fun anyplace and that's the

point of this, but it's so disturbing. >> it's actually very eye opening because there's a lot of truth there, and i think it's easier for people to digest. >> good to see you. >> jordan's midterm election special is available on "the daily show's" youtube channel and other platforms. >> it is eye-opening to say the least. be sure to tune in tomorrow right here for our special coverage of the election. it begins at 4:00 eastern and goes all night. straight ahead, we're going to hear from more voters all across the country on their biggest concerns in the midterms. >> i think there should be a lot more focus on working class people. it seems like we always get left behind for either the high or the low.

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story lines to watch this week. john avlon joins us to discuss. the question is will that message resonate? >> that is one of many questions. let's get real about the dynamics behind these midterms. there's a physics behind the pendulum in midterm elections. this stat captures it. when presidents are below 50% in their midterm election, they tend to lose an average of 46 seats since 1982. reagan, clinton, obama, trump, biden in that category. unclear how many. that's a benchmark to keep in mind. the other thing is the expanse of the map. a lot of these too close to call senate races are tight as a tick. the map is bigger. you saw joe biden campaigning in new york state. that's a sign of democrats on defense. let's be real about that. >> in new york state. >> in new york state. in oregon republicans are trying to get a pickup. who thought that was possible? at the same time, in some states people didn't expect to be battleground.

it shows how chaotic and noisy the map is this year. >> shows how interested people are. if you look at early voting -- i volted early and sort of gave my impression -- it was packed. i was surprised at how many. are democrats in some messaging, are they winning? >> let's take a look at the early vote. >> will it favor democrats or republicans? >> day-of favors republicans. this is a different deal. look at the numbers. 40 million votes cast early in 47 states. now, this has already competed the early vote total in 2018 which is the highest turnout we've seen in midterms in recent memories. engagement is high. interest is high. democrats have real concerns about whether, for example, young people are going to show up. one of the stereotypes is young people don't vote. you look at why in midterms, you see why. 19, 20, 21 n. 2018 it spikes to 32. the other thing, the hispanic

vote. 54% of hispanic voters are independent. an erosion towards republicans. how is that going to change the map in american politics. >> messaging and issues similar because republicans are focusing on climb and inflation. democrats are abortion now, standing to get the mess sachlkt you listen to hilary rosen and others about the economy. what are the key issues they'll be focused on. >> democrats have been trying to focus on abortion as a national issue, riding a wave of enthusiasm post dobbs. there are ballot initiatives in five states where abortion will be on the ballot. only one considered a swing state, michigan. you have ballot initiatives that can drive traffic. the other thing is this democracy argument. hilary rosen called out democrats rightly saying folks are talking about the economy and crime, so talk about the economy and crime. this is just an important stat to keep in mind, 22 candidates for governor, 12 candidates for

secretary of state who oversee elections, ten candidates for attorney general. >> it's fascinating. >> how many of these cats are going to say, if they win, the election is legitimate. if they lose, it's not legitimate. that's one of the things we have to track going forward because we have to restore face in our democracy sneeshl the face of baseless lies. >> are row ready? >> let's do it. >> you seem caffeinated this morning. >> i am. >> thank you, john avlon. >> john only gets half a cup of coffee, that's the rule, john avlon. don't give him anymore. thank you very much. coming up, have democrats missed the mark on messaging, especially on the economy? next we'll take you to the battleground states and you can hear from the voters yourself. >> i came up in a union household. my dad was a teamster for 30 years, voted dem kuralt. they're completely out of touch with whatever day americans want. and twice the choice.

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until the midterms. so many people, 40 million people already voted, from inflation to abortion rights, our dana bash spoke to voters around the country about what they really care about. watch. >> michigan's state fair, labor day weekend, the start of the sprint toward election day and our travels to five pivotal midterm states this fall. the common threat we heard from voters across the country, frustration and fears about rising prices. >> i drive a truck, and it doesn't get good gas mileage. i had to quit my last job because i couldn't afford to drive all the way out there. >> why is the price of gasoline where it is today? you can't overlook that issues. >> growers locally in the farms are not carrying things they did last year because people don't have the money. >> inflation, they say it's 8%, but if you're in the construction industry it's like

30%. >> translator: food is high, gas is high, rent is high. >> reporter: we heard from many discontented voters, especially among the working class and in rural areas, those who feel forgotten by politicians in washington. >> i came up in a union household. my dad was a teamster for 30 years, voted democrat. they're completely out of touch with whatever day americans want. >> i think there should be a lot more focus on working class people. it seems like we always get left behind from either the high or the low. >> then there's the issue of abortion. maybe not the main driver for all voters we talked, but it is one motivating factor. >> we need to elect legislators all across the country who are going to protect women's health rights. >> what's most important to you with this election? >> it's abortion rights for me. making sure women have the choice. >> i think there is a high

possibility we may see something like kansas. i think a lot of women aren't ready to go way out in public and wave signs and do the whole bit, but they're going to come to the voting booth and vote their conscious. >> reporter: dick russell, a republican-leaning voter in michigan told us in early september he was reluctant to vote for gop gubernatorial candidate tutor dixon because of her staunch ob situation to abortion. >> i think there are times when women's lives are in danger and extenuating circumstances that it has to happen. we checked back with him and learned he already voted for republican tutor dixon but also voted for a ballot initiative allowing abortions in michigan. >> when we talked labor day weekend, you were undecided. >> yes. >> what made you decide? >> the abortion initiative they put on the ballot. >> did you vote for that ballot

initiative? >> i did. >> would you have felt comfortable voting for tutor dixon if that didn't exist? >> no. i was having a problem with that. >> democrats think by putting that on the ballot, it's going to help democratic candidates. it did the opposite with you. >> yes, i think it did with a lot of people. >> reporter: in our travels we did speak with voters who did not blame democrats for tough times. >> how do you think joe biden is doing? >> i think he's doing the best he can with the tools he has. >> you've already voted? >> yes. >> who did you vote for? >> democrat. >> how come? >> well, i think they're going to do a good job. >> reporter: school crossing guards in nevada adam and james differ on that. he's disgusted with both parties. >> are you going to vote this year? >> i don't think so. >> why not? >> because they're not talking about what they're going to do. all they're talking about is slandering each other. >> reporter: a missed opportunity for democrats and

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all right. president biden has one last rally to go before the midterm elections as he's predicting democrats will keep the house and the senate, but also warning it will be a horrible two years if they don't. that's a quote from president biden over the weekend. some democrats fear that the party's messaging on the economy hasn't hit the mark though. >> and i think we're going to

have a bad night, and this conversation is not going to have much impact on tuesday, but i hope it has an impact going forward because when voters tell you over and over and over again that they care mostly about the economy, listen to them. stop talking about democracy being at stake. democracy is at stake because people are fighting so much about what elections mean. voters have told us what they wanted to hear, and i don't think democrats have delivered this cycle. >> joining us now is cnn political commentator van jones. is hilary rosen right, democrats reasonable listening to voters. >> hi, van, good morning. >> don is our good morning reminder on this program. >> i hate when mommy and daddy are fighting. hilary rosen is basically saying -- >> i think there was a moment where it felt like maybe we could talk about abortion and democracy. turns out that's fools gold. reality is, it's not over.

some people are making up their mind right now what to do. what i think democrats should be saying right now is, if you think it's bad now, wait until the republicans jack up your prescription drug prices, wait until they hold the government hostage with the debt ceiling and take away social security and medicare for your grandma. if you think it's bad now, it could get worse and will. lean into the argument that the actual economic proposals for the republicans are terrible. we haven't done that yet, but people still got a long time to vote. >> wait, wait, wait. a long time to vote. it's tomorrow, man. if >> if you haven't voted, it's a long time. >> you think there's time to pivot -- >> there are people right now who have not made up their mind. i'm telling you, if you think it's bad now, wait until your grandma has got to move in with you because social security and medicare has been knocked out, wait until you kid comes home from school not with a degree

but with a baby because she can't get an abortion. you think it's bad now, it can get worse. >> too soon for the premortem? >> until the last person votes, we should be making the case. i think we should not have run from the economic argument. >> why didn't they -- >> because folks were scared. >> why didn't they make the case and say these are the republican senators who are wanting to vote every year, every five years on medicare and social security? why aren't they talking more about infrastructure? i don't get it. >> because folks were scared of talking about the economy because felt like, hey, you talk about the economy, that's republican. if you talk about crime, that's republican. let's talk about our own stuff. now, that doesn't make sense now. you can't blame people for hoping. the result is this. we have -- the democratic party has a lot to be proud of when it comes to 10 million jobs, standing up to china on the chips act, infrastructure. we didn't lean in yet. we should lean many today and

tomorrow. >> how do you balance that? there's truth about democracy, about abortion. those are things democrats should be speaking about. >> i agree with that. i'm tired of people being mad at obama and biden for speaking about democracy. when you're the head of state, you have to tell people what they want to hear, but also what they need to hearment you can't be head of state or former president and not talk about it. >> you look at what john avlon put on the screen, the election deniers around the country who could win. that's democracy on the ballot. >> that's a threat. here's the thing. you can do both. i don't think it's right to tell the president of the united states to not defend democracy or someone like obama to shut up about it. that's not right. you've got to do both. >> one thing one democrat wants president biden to talk about is a comment that he made that flew under the radar in california about coal plants. >> oh, yeah. that one. >> we're going to be shutting these plants down all across

america and having wind and solar. >> joe manchin did not like that. he sent out a statement blasting biden, notably in days before the midterm elections and said that comment was, quote, not only outrageous and divorced from reality, it ignores the severe economic pain that the american people are feeling because of rising energy costs. the white house put out a statement saying if someone was basically offended by this, we didn't mean -- >> unforced error. i don't know why biden said that. the thing people aren't thinking about is the kind of coal that comes out of west virginia metallurgical coal, in other words, melts steel. what do you need steel for, wind turbines, electric cars. joe manchin's coal is coal you need for the green revolution. say that and don't say dumb stuff. >> then who is advising -- van jones, perhaps you should go back in your former role as a

democratic adviser. >> i'll answer the call. i hate when you do dumb stuff at the end, but i love this president. i love what he's done that's smart. he has done smart stuff. we should brag on the smart stuff biden has done. >> fascinating to see a statement like that coming from manchin days before the election. i was told the white house got a heads up that was coming. >> van jones, as always, thank you. >> thank you, van. good to see you. get your rest. are you ready for this? >> i'm ready. i'm ready. coming up, companies across america are laying off workers as economic warnings get louder. what about the airline industry. how are they navigating it. guess who is onset in studio with us? ed bastian, the ceo of delta. >> i have to talk about my miles. thanank you, claire. this year, we'd like to invite you back to o jersey mike's for another special weekend. come in n november 19th and 20t, where 20% of all sales will

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want to be clear, about hiring freezes. others laying off a lot of workers. what about the airline industry? so hard hit during the pandemic. it's really come back. let's talk about this with the ceo of delta air lines, ed bastian. >> congratulations on the new show. >> glad you're onset. there's so many scary signs right now. lay-offs, hiring freezes. what about del the and what do you think more broadly about the economy? >> the economy is in an unusual place. there are certain technology companies having some challenges. we're just the opposite. we're hiring and still hiring a lot. we fired 25,000 people since the start of last year, and we're continuing to hire because the demand for the service economy has been suppressed the last couple years, people can't go places. they have stuff all over the place and they don't want anymore stuff which is hurting certain retailers f. you're in

the experience sector, travel, hospitality, restaurants, entertainment, it's off the charts. >> are you having trouble finding people? >> no. the value of a great company and great brand. they realize this is a once-in-a-generation opportunity. we usually only hire 3,000 or 4,000 people a year. hiring 25,000 -- >> so many big name ceos, especially ones good about predicting where this economy is going are really worried. jamie dimon, jpmorgan, said it's likely the u.s. will fall into recession in the next six to nine months. do you agree? >> it could. i think it's likely we'll see a soft patch. whether it's hard landing or soft landing, i don't know. what we're seeing is we're in a counter cyclical. our business was cut off at the knees. if you near the service sector, you're actually looking to grow and continue to grow. delta, we expect to grow 15%

between now and next year. >> what is the question when it comes to what that recession could potentially look like? this is a conversation we have with white house officials all the time. they say we're not preparing for one, not having meetings. acting like there's going to be one. it makes a difference what kind of recession it could potentially be. how does that affect your planning? >> again, our planning is probably a little bit, again, recession-proof. we're down about 15% from where we should be already. so we're not having that. companies, business travel is usually where we get impacted the most. business travel is down from historical levels. there's nothing to cut. businesses need to be out with their customers. if you're not out with your customers because everybody is traveling, somebody else is. there's countercyclical effects here that are happening. it's going to be interesting to watch. >> you are dealing with potentially down the road a pilot strike. you've got 96% of your pilots voted. 99% said they would strike if you can't work out the contract

negotiations. they watch you guys making a lot of money after the pandemic, and they say you've rebounded, you're stronger than ever. their quote, the ball is in management's court to get this deal done. should people worry about a strike? >> absolutely not. first of all, it would be illegal to have a strike. >> because there's a cooling off, mediation period -- >> we're making great progress at the table. this is a tactic that all the unions, the airline unions, the pilots at the other properties have done the same thing. it's really trying to drive some attention at the issue. we're already at the table trying to work out a deal. the delta pilots are the best paid in the industry and they deserve to be such. they will be the best paid coming through this. i think this is a normal step. there's quite a few stages that have to go before federal mediator and then a presidential emergency board would approve the strike. we're nowhere close. by the way, they don't want a strike. we don't want a strike. >> are you the largest employer

in georgia? >> we are. >> our company is based in georgia. as you know, we use delta a lot. being on your airline, i notice you have a very diverse workforce. >> yes. >> georgia has been the center of politics for the last couple years. you have not been afraid to speak out on issues as relates to -- and standing up for your employees. how do you feel about ceos doing that? there's a belief that ceos should not weigh in on this and it should be non-partisan. you think it's important to stand up for your diverse workforce. >> i think when you see something happening in the world that runs counter to your values, against your business and your people, you have to ask yourself the question, how do you engage? sometimes you have to speak up. candidly, don, we've all been trained growing up in this business not to speak up. you don't want to see your face on the news and whatnot. you want everybody to love you, not just your customers. you want to try to be a good citizen. there's sometimes you have to speak.

>> how do you feel about the criticism to that? it's got to be tough for you. does it affect your business? do i dyou see an impact? >> i would say the times i've spoken. >> you took on the nra. you spoke out on the georgia voting bill. >> we haven't seen a significant impact. in fact, business continues. i think people realize a company that has purpose, has values out, people want to stand by that company. what i'll tell you at the same time is if you're not always -- i always try to talk about the purpose and the values of why we do what we do. if you don't, that's when you're rightfully criticized. >> you think that's part of the reason that you're having success? obviously people are spending money even the possibility of a recession the people are still spending money on travel. do you think it's part of the reason for your success because you stand up for the values of your employees and what you believe in? >> i think people love the brand. they primarily love ur people and it's the people that make the difference in our business, in the airline business. it's a service business.

>> so what's the lesson or other people? you say people love your brand and if you were not true to your brand we've seen people and companies who are not true to their brand and they lose their loyal customers, they lose their fans, their fan base. >> yeah, and we carry 200 million people a year so we have a large international fan base, if you think about it. but if you are out there and you're talking and speaking to your customers and your people about what you are for, rather than what you are against, when something happens, you get into trouble when people are surprised. they say where did that come from? that's when trouble hits. but if there's something that's consistent with what you talk about -- so you're always trying to play offense in this area, always talk being what you are for so people won't be surprised about who you are when you have to speak. >> and of course all this factors into your day to day decisions. i know one question that people have had about the industry is when do you think it's going to be back to 2019 flight levels and does that factor into delta adding more flights going through atlanta because one big

concern that people have had is affordability. >> it's expensive. >> it's really hard, people have to travel, they really have no option, but to do airline travel, but it's hard to afford it right now for a lot of people. >> look at -- the numbers are up on the screen now. >> there are three things, first of all, the demand is already back, the raw demand, the interest in travel and you can see that. everyone felt once the pandemic subsided they needed to go someplace and whatever price it took they needed to get out. so the demand is driving the principal factor in pricing. fuel prices, our fuel prices are up 50% above where they were in 2019. >> wow. >> that's our single biggest cost, it's not even people it's fuel prices. that also has to be covered in the pricing. and the third thing is that we're not all the way back yet. we are going to grow 15% between now and next summer and a lot of that growth is going into atlanta. so that's going to take some of the pressure off pricing to bring all the routes back. but we don't want to grow until we have the resources capable of handling that high demand.

>> and part of the reason flights are really expensive also is there's less capacity, right, but that's very frustrating when you are on planes and you feel like they're very full and it costs a lot. this summer i just want to reflect if you could on this summer, the flight woes, what americans went through on travel, the back and forth between you guys and the biden administration, secretary buttigieg namely. what's the lesson from all of that and are we past it for good do you think? >> i'm not sure there is a real lesson. i mean, we're overcoming a pandemic. >> right. >> we started the year with omicron, the first couple months of the year, and then once omicron seemed like it wasn't going to be -- and we were only 50% full, by the way, at that time. we went from 50% full to 100% overnight. >> you kept your middle seats empty longer than anyone. >> we did. >> per the chief medical officer. >> it's the same issue for you as oil companies. you see oil companies,

american -- they see oil companies making record profits, airline prices going up but yet they see you on here saying we're doing well. >> we're doing well on revenue. we are not anywhere close to record profits, i just want to be clear of that. we are down meaningfully in terms of profits because we don't have our full demand set back in terms of the utilization of the aircraft and fuel prices are really high. >> the talk about possible inflation is that hurting you at all? >> on the margin. the thing with inflation is also -- there's currency effects. so the other thing we're seeing is we're seeing more demand in europe -- >> amid possible recession. sorry, go on. the possibility of a recession, is that -- >> again, i think it's more of a "business traveller" that would be mindful of that, but business travel is already down. the other thing with the recession is that typically when recessions hit oil prices start to subside. >> right. >> so we're a bit hemgd for that. >> quickly, can we ask you about seat sizes. >> kaitlan wants to know. >> this is a big thing people do care about. >> they should.

>> i know you said delta has not made their seats smaller. >> right. >> the faa you believe this is ultimately up to them. should they regulate the seat sizes? >> the faa already tests seat sizes and compliance. anytime you change anything on aircraft the faa has to approve it. >> right. >> delta hasn't changed seat sizes in years. the only changes we have made is to make them bigger, extra room. every plane we are taking today and this year we will take probably 75 planes, we are having one-third of our planes with extra large seating, delta one, comfort plus. that's where the economy is going. if there was a lesson, you're talking about lessons from the pandemic one of the real lessons is people value their experience on our brand and so -- and by the way they're willing to pay a premium for that. >> did you think you would be able to get out of -- when you were leading during covid i know there were days you were wondering what is going to happen here. did you think you would be sitting here and the company would be where it is after that? >> i was confident we would get

there. we came back a little sooner than i thought. >> we have to go because poppy -- and kaitlan mostly, you are a big georgia fan, thank you ed bastian. this is why kaitlan doesn't want to talk -- she keeps asking the ceo questions, sorry, kaitlan, it is time to gloat. my lsu tigers beat kaitlan's alabama crimson tide this weekend in an overtime thriller. kaitlan, the jersey is waiting for you, lsu jersey. >> i won't be wearing a jersey.. if you need to go to commercial feelel free. nt to be. try all three flavavors. only at ihop. download the app and earn frfree food with every purchase. u won't take a time-t. one dose of ubrelvy

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