this is "gps," the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm in for fareed zakaria this week, coming to you live from new york. today on the program, after a

stronger than expected showing from his party on election day, joe biden took off thursday for almost a week overseas at four different international summits. tomorrow, biden has the biggest international meeting of his presidency. with chinese leader xi jinping. i'll talk about it all with today's panel. also, the latest on the war in ukraine. the focus on kherson, a crucial city in the south, and the first major urban area that russia captured after its invasion. now, ukraine has taken it back. is this a turning point for the larger conflict? i'll ask an expert. and should wealthy nations compensate developing ones for damage from climate change? it was a big and controversial topic of discussion at cop-27 this week. >> it takes money to do that.

>> we'll explore. ♪ ♪ this is "gps," the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm in for fareed zakaria this week. and i'm coming to you from new york. joe biden just landed 75 minutes ago in bali, where this year's g20 leader's summit is being held. he arrived from cambodia where, on saturday, he attended another summit for asean, the association for southeast asian nations. he had a meeting with the japanese prime minister and south korean president before getting on air force one. ivan watson joins me now. one of his goals at the summit was to reassure regions in that nature that the u.s. you supports them in the face of an

emboldened china. did he succeed with that? >> reporter: that was the message he was bringing to this meeting, saying the u.s. is engaged in the region. for example, calling asean, that ten-member association of southeast asian nations the heart of his indo-pacific strategy. and stressing how engaged the u.s. is going to be in the region. it didn't help, perhaps, that he mistakenly referred to as the host country cambodia as "colombia" at least twice, but he was able to bring an upgraded relations to the table, the u.s. and asean have formally announced the start of a strategic partnership. he says he's going to try to brick $850 million worth of assistance to southeast asian nations, and he got these kind of statements made, for instance, alongside the leaders of korea and japan, a commitment to the region to maintaining a

rules based order in the indo-pacific. and what that's doing is basically they're saying they want to maintain the status quo. it's a challenge to things like china claiming virtually all of the south china sea by itself. this is the u.s. standing up for smaller countries like the philippines and vietnam. this is a call for peace when it comes to for example north korea and its nuclear weapons program and the many missiles, the dozens that have been launching in recent months. but countries in the region are concerned about the escalating tensions between beijing and washington. so what biden was able to do was to say i'm meeting with you guys, i'm listening to you, and then i'm going to bali and will meet for the first time as u.s. president face to face with the chinese leader xi jinping to show that i'm ready to work to

try to stem and stop these relations from getting worse, from potentially spiralling into a possible conflict. and that was welcomed by the prime minister of singapore, who says good, we need to make sure that these relations don't deteriorate further. some of these countries want the u.s. engaged, but they do not want to be forced into a position to have to choose between beijing for washington. >> the symbolism of this visit, as well as its substance, is notable. thanks, ivan. we appreciate your time. now to president biden's next set of meetings at the g20. many of america's closest friends and allies will be there. but so will russia and china. vladamir putin chose not to attend this year after much controversy about whether to disinvite him. chinese president xi jinping will be there, and biden will meet him tomorrow.

what can we expect? joining me now are my guests. ian ian -- welcome both of you. ian, let's begin with both of you. all eyes will be on this meeting between joe biden and xi jinping. the first since president biden has been in office, but their relationship goes back many years. over the weekend, joe biden reiterated his goals for the meeting, and the bar is pretty low here. he said his intentions are to lay out each other's red lines, as well as to make sure that the u.s. is looking for competition but not conflict. will he get more clarity out of that? >> i think he will. the two leaders do respect each other, even if there's not a lot of trust in the relationship right now. and the mood music in the last couple of weeks in the run-up to the meeting has been very different than what we saw after pelosi's trip to taiwan. a fair amount of high level

bilateral meetings, including john kerry and his counterpart, as well as a ex-change of surprisingly upbeat and warm letters between biden and xi jinp jinping. look, the u.s. is engaged in a policy of at least limited containment on the semiconductor issue. that is new. it causes more confrontation, but i think the biden/xi jinping meeting is going to surprise on the upside and create a little more stabilization in a relationship that has been deteriorating over the last months. >> you're talking about the export controls the u.s. has put in place over china and some of its technology. and some were referring to this meeting as the first super power meeting of the cold war version 2.0. what really is at stake here? >> what's at stake is whether the world that was created by the united states and its allies

after the second world war, a world in which there were treaties in which large countries didn't invade or occupy their neighbors, in which there was forms of international law that people obeyed, whether they continues. both for america and china, there have been advantages out of that system, and recently russia has tried to disrupt it. there was some questions what was the chinese position? were the chinese content with playing by the rules as they existed until now, or did they want to change them? i think that's the conversation, that's the argument you will see played out in this meeting and the ones that follow in the next weeks and months. >> also on the agenda is north korea, and that rogue nation has fired more missiles this year than any years past. is there any consensus that biden and xi can come to in hopes of reining kim jong-un in?

>> not really, but there is some alignment, the chinese don't want the north koreans rocking the boat with all these missile tests in the same way that the chinese would rather the russians find a way to stop the war in ukraine. that's very interesting, right? the fact that unlike russia, where there is a strong effort to undermine the international status quo, the chinese really want to see more stability right now, especially given how poorly their economy is performing, given the difficulties of upholding the zero covid issue. there are plenty of problems that the americans have on national security that the chinese are the principal adversary. but the timing of this meeting is one where both presidents do want to actually use common interests to calm some of the big global challenges that exist

right now. you'll see some of that in north korea. but i think you'll see more on russia frankly. >> to pick up on that, ann, you mentioned this earlier, but there had been been concern in this war in russia's invasion in ukraine that china would perhaps be supplying russia with military aid and ammunition. we have not seen that come to fruition as of yet. but we are seeing the north koreans and the iranians step in, in their place and sell them weapons. do you think there's any consensus that can come out of this g20 summit to help make that effort more difficult on part of the iranians and north korea? >> so the chinese attitude towards the war in ukraine has been ambivalent. they clearly supported the invasion to start with. the russians met with them early in the year, and there seemed to be kind of a consensus. they put out a joint statement that looked like the chinese were going to support the war effort. that's when the russians were

telling them it would last three days, it would be over and wouldn't matter. clearly, they've been more careful in what they say, they've changed some of their rhetoric. though they propagate the russian propaganda lines in their own media, and in the media, they control quite a lot of media around the world. and they push the idea that the real source of this conflict is nato and so on. my guess is it's not in their interest for the war to spread or continue. of course, they have influence certainly over north korea, and they could help restrain this war if they wanted to. i assume that will be one of the main topics of discussion at the summit, is will the chinese agree to put pressure on the russians to restrict their trade and persuade them to stop fighting because of the instability this war is creating in europe and around the world. >> on the economic front, it appears that the u.s. is making a significant attempt to decouple itself from china, which would have been shocking

to hear that headline just 15 years ago, but here we are. that having been said, other countries, particularly germany, is not quite there. their chancellor was just in china, their largest trading partner. though there's more pressure on germany to diversify their investments, they doubled down on some of their deals on this visit. can the u.s. successfully decouple from china if germany is not on board? >> no, unlike the russia policy where all of america's allies are on board, that's not true in china policy at all. the white house was trying for mobls before they announced these export controls on semiconductors to get countries on board. they went ahead with the policy any way. the u.s. is the most important economy, and allies will more or less get on board, specifically with that part of decoupldecoup.

but you won't see that from the allies. outside of the technology space, most american corporations in the private space are more aligned with the germans, the fre french and the japanese than the u.s. government. so that's an interesting area to watch over the coming months. >> sit tight, panel. next on "gps," the midterm election results surprised many in the united states. but how were they received joef s overseas? i'll ask the panel when we come back. in a recent clinical study, patients using salonpas patch

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presidency of president trump. so how is the world responding to buiden's democrats on tuesda. ann, let me start with you. the morning after the midterms, which i have to be honest, feels like a month ago, you tweeted, house is a toss-up, is not the news i thought i would wake up to here in central europe. american democracy surprises us all again. overall election deniers and isolationists did not have a very good night. what are european leaders in european capitals responding to that with? >> i think it's important to understand that most foreign leaders for years and years, dealt with democrats, republicans, conservatives, and treated them more or less the same. they understood that there were some differences between them, but there were some bipartisan consensus in american foreign policy.

the trump administration changed that, and also the trump administration led many to fear that the united states would no longer serve as the -- [ no audio ] >> i believe we lost her shot there. ian, if you want to step in, what are world leaders telling you in regard to not only what must have surprised them, but surprised a lot of experts here in the united states, as well. >> first of ault, i think i agree with where ann was going there, which is allies around the world can work with democrats and republicans very easily. they had a problem with trump specifically. not all of them. there are countries like hungary, israel, saudis, india, that did well with america. but most allies felt like he was a threat to democracy, in a way that desantis or no one else on the national public stage would be democrat or republican. so two big things come out of

this. first of all, the idea that almost all of the election deniers that were running for office to oversee elections, governorships, as well as secretary of state positions, in key swing states, they all lost. trump supported them, they all lost. that's a big deal, because it means the likelihood of a constitutional crisis or a broken election in the united states in 2024, that would undermine america's position, has reduced very substantially on the back of these midterms. the second point is that trump himself has been significantly damaged. and if desantis ends up as a major republican flag bearer, and is in the election in 2024 against biden or someone else on the democratic side, that won't be seen as a problem. you can go back to a united states that's perceived as -- doesn't really matter that much whether it's a dem or republican that runs it, you will still have the same challenges with

american unilateralism and exceptionalism. so i do think for most countries a rnd the world, this election came as a substantial relief. and who controls the house or senate matters a lot less than the other two issues i rauzed. >> we have ann back. president xi may be coming to this g20 third after his third term announced, but there are a lot of internal head winds he faces. given the election results here in the united states and joe biden had the best midterm performance of any president in 20 years, does that give him added momentum going into this meeting with xi tomorrow? >> so it absolutely does. it gives him momentum because he's seen as having the support of his country and it puts him back at the center of the democratic world. you know, he will be seen as having the support of allies, as

somebody who can garner a lot of support. the chinese were watching very closely, u.s. and ally behavior in ukraine as an example of what the nato alliance can do together, what the democracies can do together. clearly, biden was a very important piece of that story. he galvanized the allies, he came to the aid of the ukrainians. they have been clear in their messaging about continuing the war until it ends. the chinese are listening to that. they know that it's a message to them as well. it's a message to them about taiwan. and they will see biden is strengthened by this, and rightly so. >> ann, quickly before you go, i wanted to ask you about your piece "the west is enabling putin's nuclear threats." so far we have not seen putin follow through on his veiled and sometimes not so veiled nuclear threats. the latest example of an

embarrassment to the country and yet no response to him is this retreat from kherson earlier this week. what is your message in this piece to u.s. administration officials specifically? i believe we lost ann. >> ian, if you want to step in on that. >> of course. i read the piece as well, thankfully. the message is that the russians are an incredibly difficult position, and we talk about xi jinping. the chinese leader came out publicly, and quite surprised german chancellor sholz during their meter when he was willing to say there should be no nuclear use in the eu-asia land mass. so i think there is less concern the use of a tactical nuclear weapon in the coming weeks abldz

mov -- and months. but puputin's economy is going collapse on the back of these an shuns, nato sen larging, and ukraine will be the best equipped and best trained army on the ground in europe, none of which works for russia. so what happen it is russia becomes rogue over time and so nato will have to stay very aligned in the years to come. >> all right. ann and ian, thank you for your time. next on "gps," russian forces withdrew from a critical part of ukraine this week. it was a great ukrainian success. so what does it mean for the larger war? i'll explore when we come back. year on business internet.

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on friday, ukraine scored a major victory when its forces liberated the city of kherson. after eight months under russian rule, residents greeted soldiers with flowers and hugs. kherson was the first major ukrainian city and only regional capital that had fall on the russia since the start of the invasion. putin declared it russian territory five weeks ago illegally. so what does ukraine's success there mean for the larger war? my next guest is a senior policy researcher at the rand corporation. derek, thank you so much for joining us. i know you probably like me were

watching these images in amazement yesterday to see that city liberated and to see the residents coming out thanks soldiers. how significant is it that kherson is back in ukrainian hands? >> it is significant from a morale perspective for the ukrainian armed forces. the writing has been on the wall for that group of russian forces since july or august. it was an untenable position to hold. the ukrainians had attacked multiple bridges for them to get supplies in and out. in some ways, russia had two terrible choices, staying and being captured would have been a catastrophe, or the embarrassing political decision to have to have a controlled retreat. >> talk about the importance of kherson's location, specifically where it is located close to crimea for russians and ukrainians. >> there's two issues at play

that russia has evacuated from that area. it snaignals their ambitions to control ukraine's coast in the black sea. now russia will create defensive positions to defend itself in crimea from himars attacks or continued ukrainianed a eadvanc. >> how significant does this retreat look like and how russia conducted it? if you compare it to what we saw in september after that surprise counteroffensive in the northeast by the ukrainians where we saw the russians retreat, they lost a lot of their military equipment, not to mention their ammunition and their soldiers. what are you seeing here? >> two different things. so with that up in kharkiv, that would be accurately described as a rout. ukrainian forces pressed on

russian forces that were understrengthed, not high readiness units, and they simply fled, it was a panicked retreat, they abandoned equipment, munitions. it was a panicked egress situation. i was contrast that with what concluded in kharkiv. that was controlled, units were falling back into preprepared positions. i think it's been in process for three, four weeks at minimum. so it is a retreat, but you didn't see these large-scale battles or a massive loss of russian soldiers. it was not a panicked withdrawal. it was hasty but not panicked. >> how big of a loss was this for vladamir putin that this retreat had been planned for a few weeks. so for those watching, while it was good news, it was not necessarily surprising news. vladamir putin had been hesitant to green light it, yet he did.

what does this mean for him? >> i think it was so embarrassing for him, that he couldn't put a public face on this. he had his defense minister and the commander of his forces in ukraine come out and discuss the reasons why, and really be the public face to that. it tells me that he's trying to insulate himself from bad news and pin this on his defense minister. >> in the mass atrocities we are uncovering throughout the country, i would imagine would be expected here. you heard president zelenskyy say that the russians had attacked most of their infrastructure, their water supply, their energy, their electricity. is this something we'll see more of as we approach the winter months? >> i do. there's part of this in russian military strategy when you attack critical infrastructure. you start dismantling what they call life support systems, water, sewage, electricity, to

really make life unbearable. try to create a refugee type of a situation, and just slow the machinery of the government down. unfortunately, i do see this trend line continuing. >> quickly, last question, do you think that the success for ukraine will at least buy them some time in the increased concern we've heard from them about what the influx of materiels and weaponry and funding will look like from the west? >> i do. it's to ukraine's incentive to keep going as long as they can. the russians have every incentive for this conflict line to freeze so they can improve their positions, deploy 300,000 mobilized forces into ukraine. so for ukraine, they want to keep going as long as they have the means and materiel to do so, i believe they will. >> we expect those forces to be mobilized at any time by the russians. thank you, dara. >> thank you for having me. former vice president mike

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based correspondent, and the author of the book "bebe, the turbulent life and times of benjamin netanyahu." thank you for coming on. i like to say you wrote the initial bebe book. so welcome back to the program. explain what this far-right coalition, israel's most religious, would look like for the body politic of the country, especially on the heels of the mo most diverse kinesset in israel's history. >> the coalition does not exist of now. they have received the mandate from the president to form a coalition. he has four weeks to negotiate with potential partners. and once he's agreed with those partners, he can go to the kinesset and swear in his new government. but it's a shopping list of demands that he now has to go

through which his various partners are presenting him with. that could change israel in many different ways. but they're talking about changing the balance between the judiciary and parliament. that will give basically the kinesset an overriding clause that would allow them with just a regular majority to basically cancel any supreme court ruling against government actions or government legislation. so that will open up the way for them to pass whatever kinds of laws they want to pass, and there's talk about laws that would change the definition of what it even means to be jewish for immigration to israel. that will be a huge issue for jewish communities not being consulted on this. obviously, the guidelines or certifications of who can be an israeli jew will be changed, in

line with both far right and radical orthodox rulings. there's going to be changes in the way for example, in the way that religious schools are financed and will have to -- they won't have to conform to any standards of curriculum. and then there's a question of what roles will the leaders oh of the far-right parties in the new government, what roles will have a cabinet? they're angling for senior positions, defense minister, public security, which controls the police, education. all these things will have a major impact on israel going forward. >> correct me if i'm wrong, i know the turnout was very high. but i read 11% of israelis voted for religious zionism focused

pa parties. in a country where 20% of the population is arab, how significant is that? >> that's almost double what they got last time. israeli zionism is a list of candidates that represent three different far-right parties. what this means for the 21% of arab/israeli citizens is hard to say. the policies focus more on jewish issues. so if they get control of the public security ministry, that could have a lot of implications of the non-jewish israelis, law enforcement, the way the police act towards citizens, the way police will try to maintain order in places like temple

mount where there is quite a lot of tension. all these things are going to be basically in unchartered territory, because they've never had a very far right party in charge of these affairs. >> clearly, that would garner a response and reaction if this government is formed from allies of israel and foes alike. but when it comes to the united states, one of your colleagues wrote a piece called "bibi is one of the losers in the u.s. ele election," suggesting he was hoping for the red wave many anticipated in these midterms. do you agree with that assessment, and how much pressure could joe biden put on a newly formed government under prime minister netanyahu? >> we know that president biden, like any president, has a limited band width. even the most powerful man in the world, the leader of the free world, can't push on all

fronts both on domestic and foreign policy. when a just doesn't have control of both houses of congress, it makes that president weaker when it comes to foreign policy, especially a foreign policy that is dedivided at home. democrats are still pro-israel, but certainly not pro netanyahu. so for joe biden to have emerged from the midterms as he has, not having suffered the setbacks that were being predicted just a few days ago, means that he will certainly have more -- he'll have more political capital to put pressure on israel, which we probably wouldn't have done if he had to constantly be looking over his shoulder at the republican congress and senate, who are very pro-netanyahu. one of the neighbor issues here is not so much will america continue supporting israel? because i think it's a given

america will. but the level of cooperation between various departments of the administration and their israeli counterparts. if one of the leaders of the religious zionism becomes defense minister, so the relationship is not as easy as it was before. this is a channel which the two defense establishments has been based on trust and the fact that the men in charge, the men in charge have been able to have very close levels of coordination and trust. and once the person on the israeli side is far right and the biden administration has already spoken out against, makes it much more difficult. >> he's currently under trial, what happens with the

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save. world leaders converged on egypt this week for the climate conference. the u.n. gathering will wrap up later this week, but let's discuss what has and hasn't been discussed so far. joining me is bill weir. always great to see you. let's talk about the deliverables from president biden when he spoke. he noted that the u.s. would meet its own emissions targets

by 2030, a $369 billion commitment to clean energy initiatives in the "inflation reduction act" as well as new methane rules. how was this all received by the crowd there and by experts? >> i think the sentiment is wow, it's such a great change, given the predecessor, given the tone in the trump administration. but i think the consensus is, america's ambitions don't go nearly far enough to meet the problem. just in terms of meeting his goals by 2030, he says the u.s. is on track for that. the more important goal is the idea that we pay this cut to the year the u.s. started moving off coal, 2004. so the goal is to cut it by 50% from that year by 2030. 35% is about what the current policy will get us to. the "inflation reduction act" gets us to about 45%. so even all in, the u.s. is falling short. but to be fair, the rest of the world is, as well.

glasgow, everybody made a promise to come back to egypt with more ambitious plans and only a tiny percentage of the countries in attendance did that. the world is a very different place now with putin's war and the energy shocks that came out of that. big oil is making record profits right now and getting billions in subsidies efficienty year. and countries like costa rica leading the way beyond oil and gas. costa rica announced they're pulling back from that and thinking about deforestation and other issues. it's a heavy lift for joe biden. >> on that issue, there has been a somewhat controversial idea raised and floated that richer, more developed western countries that have spent years profiting off of fossil fuels and becoming wealthy off of them should

somehow pay money to countries that are richer to poorer countries that have suffered from climate change. we're seeing some of these countries contribute $5 million, $10 million, $50 million here, but that's just a drop in the bucket. this will require trillions worth of investment. where does the united states stand on this issue? >> it's long resisted any sort of loss and damage agreements. over a decade ago, countries agreed this is the right thing to do. not only are countries like bangladesh or pakistan, some of those countries were exploited for the very fossil fuels that have been coming back and biting everybody. so that's a double jeopardy for them. what's bubbling to the surface now, john kerry floated this today.

it comes down to congress. if kevin mccarthy is the new speaker of the house or a republican is, it makes it much harder to get all of these promises out the door. in order to meet these obligations and step up, she's saying john kerry is working with the private sector to come up with maybe an insurance scheme. germany seems in on this, as well. so the rich countries of the world basically buy insurance for the poorer countries. that won't go overwhelm in a lot of place where is they see that as profiting more off the folks at the bottom of the economic pyramid. but if it's the only thing that the rich countries are talking about, it's better than nothing. it will be interesting to see how that plays out the rest of the week. >> will you be watching this meeting between joe biden and president xi on this issue specifically? you have a meeting not only of the two largest superpowers but tw two of the largest emitters of green house gases.

>> solar energy, it's cheaper than it was a decade before and a lot of that is thanks to china. to shift the supply chain to maybe other asian countries, cambodia, vietnam maybe. but that makes time and obviously -- >> we are out of time, unfortunately. but thank you so much. and thank you all for tuning in this week. fareed will be back next week right here. if rayna's thinking about retirement, she'll get some help from fidelity to envision what's possible and balance risk and reward. and with a clear pla rayna can enjoy wherever she's headed next. that's the planning effect, from fidely.

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