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continues. five days after the nation went to the polls the biggest remaining question is who will control the house with votes still being counted in 20 races republicans are in the lead with 211 seats. the gop needs seven more to win the majority. now, democrats have achieved what seemed almost inconceivable just a few days ago. cnn projects they will maintain control of the senate. now any moment in arizona we're expecting a huge new batch of voting numbers from maricopa county. the new tally could have a huge impact on one of the most watched governors races in the country. trump fire brand kari lake trails katie hobbs. let's begin this hour in arizona. cnn's kyung lah, she's been reporting in arizona for years. she's one of the best people to help explain what's going on there. what is the latest? >> reporter: well, i'll give it a go at least.

we are expecting in this hour some time that there is going to be a release of votes, about 90,000 or so. that is going to be the largest category of votes number-wise since election night, since the big first results came out. so this will really give us some sense of where this race is heading. it is still too early to call this race between the republican kari lake and the democrat katie hobbs. democrat katie hobbs has been leading just by inches, and so this may be -- this is what it may be coming down to, paula. so some time in this hour perhaps in the next 30 minutes or so we are anticipating that this clarifies it just a little bit. and the reason why we are paying such close attention to this particular batch of votes is because this is where the lake campaign says they have their path. this is it, the mail ballots that were returned on election day it is anticipated, according to the campaign, to lean their

way. if it does not, it is going to give us an indication of how the rest of this could potentially go. so we are anxiously awaiting this, the tabulation still continuing for all of these ballots. the curing process of just a very small number of votes, just about 10,000 or so, paula, that is continuing as well. and that's simply trying to track down some of those signature verified -- the ballots that they were not able to signature verify and make sure that those ballots are connected to real people. so stay tuned. in the next 30 minutes to an hour we're going to certainly have a better picture of this very, very tight race. paula? >> kyung lah, we look forward to talking to you again later in the hour. when republicans in the house get ready for a battle in the party. members are openly challenging leader mccarthy's bid to become speaker. cnn's jeff zeleny is here with more.

now, jeff, even if you the majority does it matter if there's so much fighting within the party? how messy could this get? >> reporter: well, look, it could get very messy and we're about to find out this week. "a," we aren't going to know the answer to the question if republicans are actually going to be in control of the house for possibly a few more days. but the house republicans are going to be holding leadership elections on tuesday, and there's no doubt there is a serious challenge to kevin mccarthy's leadership. at this point no one as emerged as necessarily one rival. as we have speen in speaker elections in years past. he's trying to shore up support and he has considerable support of course from some hard liners like jim jurden, obviously his long time colleague steve scalise as well. there certainly is a question of how much support he has out there and what he will have to do in order to assure the votes, what concessions he'll have to make even to get the job.

but of course as most things still do in the republican party things revolve around the former president, donald trump. of course he has a big announcement on tuesday. i'm told kevin mccarthy still speaks very regularly to the former president. he has over the weekend as wem. we will see if any signal from that are coming. he had a narrow shot at the speakership several years ago, did not get that. certainly on the house and senate side this week big election leadership elections, so we do not know, of course, how this is going to play. but he's just trying to keep his base happy and all these questions at bay. >> one of the things these hard liners want is the right to depose their speaker, vote him out. of course mccarthy doesn't want to hand them that power, but does he have any choice? >> we'll see. that's one of the concessions

he'll have to make potentially. and that's one of the things to vote to vacate the speakership, to vote out the speaker if there's a controversy. he may have to make that concession, and of course that could come back to haunt him later on. so never mind how difficult this job is going to be with this narrow of a majority, he simply has to make many concessions to get the job in the first place. but, again, all this is presumed on the basis that republicans will control the house. and there is still a mathematical possibility for democrats to win control. very, very narrow but certainly this week is going to be fascinating in terms of house elections and the actual elections via still a handful of races still yet to be call. >> fascinating indeed. jeff zeleny, thank you so much. >> sure. >> right now we are watching some very tight house races, 218. that's the magic number needed, and so far democrats have 204 seats while republicans have 211. now senior data roeporter harry

henton is here to break down where these races stand. you're one of the hardest working people at cnn. help us break this down. where does the house stand if everything continues to trend in the same direction it is right now. where does that leave us? >> it leaves you with a very narrow republican majority. so right now if you basically say, okay, you take the leaders in all the races where do you stand? you stand republicans at 221 to democrats 214. but that is well within any margin of error, right, because there are a bunch of races that we haven't called yet. and i'll be honest with you a week ago at this time the fact we would still be talking about who would control the house and not know it as a mathematical certainty is something i truly did not envision and is truly one of the more shocking things i've seen in all of my years following politics. >> well, you're right. many people are surprised because this is not what was expected. but here we are.

from the data where are some places that potentially democrats could make up some ground? >> california is i think the real slice of pie that democrats are going to be looking at. you can take a look at the 13th congressional district. look how close this race is. it's 84 votes with less than 50% of the estimated vote counted. i've been following this race, and when i looked at it at the end of last week which essentially had a 2-point race, so you see this more and more mail-in ballots have come in the 13th district. you see the democrat adam gray closing, closing, closing. what you see in the 22nd district you see right now down by 12 points but well less than 50% of the votes in. david was up 8 points last week. the 22nd district and what is now the 22nd district back in 2018 david valadao led for about

a month after election day. i'm just saying hold on, folks, it may take a while. >> a very long time but we know it could potentially take that long, but there are also places where democrats are ahead but they could lose ground. break that down for us. >> sure, so part of the problem if you're looking for democrats to somehow get to 218 is it's not just they have to win seats republicans currently lead and they have to hold onto their narrow advantages. take a look in arizona here and you can see right now you have the democrat up by a little less than a point. but the incumbent has been closing, closing, closing, so basically what democrats have to do is they have to win those seats where they're trailing and hold onto seats like this. thy that's not the easiest thing. it's possible, that's why we're still here talking about. i think if you're a democrat you have to get used to the idea you'll more likely have a speaker kevin mccarthy than a speaker who's a democrat.

>> thank you. now, one senate race that won't be decided for a few more weeks is of course georgia. georgia will hold a runoff election between republican herschel walker and incumbent rafael warnock. so both men are racing to finish with dueling campaign events. cnn's nadia romero has more. >> reporter: paula, it is back on the campaign trail for both herschel walker and rafael warnock. he was here on the campus and this is where he was able to do so well, when ulook at exit poll from the last election. let's take a look at the numbers. the voters of color overwhelmingly voted for rafael warnock, 81%. he also did very well with that younger vote, the 18 to 29-year-olds. and then look 68% of urban voters supported raphael warnock. i want you to hear from rafael warnock and hear from his republican challenger herschel walker as they got out this

weekend to rally the vote. >> i'm reaching out to the folks that didn't vote for me last time. maybe they voted for the libertarian candidate. maybe they voted for herschel walker. and i want you to ask yourself a serious question who do you think is really ready and who do you think is fit. >> tell the people that didn't vote for me they need to vote for me. because if they didn't vote for me they're going to have the government running their life. and i'll tell you what the government can't even run its own life. >> reporter: what a difference we saw from the people who voted for rafael warnock. 70% of white voters they voted for herschel walker. 58% were 65 and older. remember warnock did really well with that younger voting block. 60% of rural voters voted for herschel walker. an area much more rural than an urban city like atlanta and you're going to have a lot more white voters where herschel walker polled well and did well in the exit poll as well. both candidates know it's crunch

time less than a month before the runoff elections on december 6th. paula? >> thank you, nadia. there is something about georgia as it's gearing up for yet another runoff election to decide the last senate seat still up for grabs. so what should we expect? well top georgia election official gabe sterling joins me next as election night in america continues. "give a gift that means a lot without spending a lot. shop early and save, only at kay" ♪

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just 23 days until georgians go to the polls and decide the last senate race in these mid-terms. our next guest is a top voting official in georgia and will oversee that runoff election. gabe sterling is the chief operating officer for georgia's secretary of state. all right, gabe, two years ago georgia voters tipped the senate to democrats. now with control of the senate no longer a factor will that hurt turnout, that there's not as much at stake? >> i think in all likelihood it will probably effect turnout and drive a little bit lower. but for thosef us on the ground here i don't think we'll have a measurable difference in the number of tv ads, text messages and e-mails we get regardless of whether it controls it or not. >> that's a very good point. expect everyone there to be inundated. now, last year georgia passed a law that cut the length of the time for these runoffs from nine weeks to four. so is that enough time for you to ensure that election workers and officials can run a smooth

runoff? >> well, it's a cruel mischaracterization to call it a new law. in 2013 a federal judge extended it for having to deal with overseas and military members. paul carbondale was elected in 1992 and it was four weeks. all these pieces and parts can all move together. this is the first time we're going to do runoff with this many paper ballots which will make it a little bit different. but our county is going to be up for the challenge. >> and when can voters actually get their ballots? >> they can request them now. we're in the middle of sending out the ballot proofs. we've been doing them over the weekend. our team and center for elections working all over the holiday from friday. and everybody should have all their proofs from the counties tomorrow, november 14th. sign-off on them. you can make your request now if you want to do an absentee

ballot. if you're over 65 and disabled and you made the request to get them throughout the cycle you don't have to request them again. one thing up in the air right now is how we deal with early voting because we haven't even certified the election. we have to do a risk limiting audit, which will begin this thursday and should be completed by monday, actually by friday and we anticipate certifying on monday, and then early voting can open on tuesday and wednesday. by state law we cannot have it on thursday, thanksgiving, friday a state holiday and friday is following a holiday so you can't have it then under state law. so you can pick it back up on sunday. there's mandatory early voting from monday november 28th to friday december 2nd. >> the deadline for new voter registration has already passed. i mean is that a feature where if you didn't participate in the original election you should be able to participate in the runoff, or is that a bug?

is that really a flaw in the system here? >> i wouldn't say it's either thing. historically the state constitution of georgia lays out that the runoff is supposed to be a continuation of the original election. so for years in georgia it was always the cut off for the registration for the runoff would have bn same cut off for this. federal law is slightly different. it gives a little bit of a quirk. so from those 30 days for the original cut off for the november election anybody who registered like anybody who moved to the state who got their driver's license they're automatically registering, they're allowed to vote in the runoffs. there really is 30 additional day of registration beyond, but there has to be a cut off in the way our system is built. so it's a little bit quirky, but, again, there's a whole 30 days people who register from there -- when the rules are rules and the laws are laws everybody knows that. someone complained what if you're 18. in georgia you can start this process if you're 17 1/2, and if you did you're registered. there's some responsibility on voters in this thing.

the reality is if you're a registered voter in this state and we have 7.9 million of them you're able to vote in this state whether you vote in the election or not. >> the state of georgia is fascinating politically. you flipped the senate democrats two years ago and democrat rafael warnock received 35,000 votes more votes than herschel walker in the mid-terms. what have you seen on the ground how this reliably red state has turned purple in some respects? >> well, paula, i have gray hair and i've been in the state for long time. what people don't realize we're not exactly the most reliably red state. georgia was the last state in the union to elect a republican governor. it was in 2002. so some historical perspective on this i came up politically in the '80s and '90s and we had our teeth kicked in by democrats constantly. so this is going back to a competitive state. but it is surprising to me from outside looking in. it should be surprising president biden won the state by

11,779 votes. stacey abrams lost by 55 votes three years ago. i think voters are disturbing, and you saw that in the difference between about 200,000 vote difference between governor kemp got and what herschel walker got. it's interesting because i think stacey abrams was a drag on the governor ticket and kemp was a pull up on the republican ticket. >> gabe sterling we will be watching indeed. thank you very much. >> thank you, paula. have a great night. all right, we have breaking news. a new vote count in arizona governor's race. cnn's kyung lah at the maricopa county election center in phoenix. kyung? >> reporter: well, we just got these just a short time ago, paula, just seconds ago. the maricopa county vote drop it is about 98,000 ballots. it's the largest one.

what we can tell you is that katie hobbs still maintains her lead over kari lake. she is maintaining a lead of about 48,000 votes. now, that margin is tighter. it is smaller than it was here in maricopa county versus the last report. the last report had that margin at about 57,000. now it's 48,000. so lake does advance, makes that margin a little bit tighter, but hobbs maintains her lead. what we are now told by maricopa county, and we're doing some loose math here is that they have just under 100,000 ballots left. so not that many ballots left, 100,000. they are moving very, very rapidly here now that the processing has been done. they simply have to tabulate that. they anticipate that they will get through the large bulk of these ballots by tomorrow night. so tomorrow night they are going to have another vote release,

but right now i can tell you, paula, that we are seeing this race tightening. the margin is a little smaller, but katy hobbs maintains her lead. she's a democrat running for governor, still over the republican running for governor, kari lake. and what is particularly interesting about this, paula, is that in talking to the lake campaign they are putting their eggs into this basket. they anticipated a huge swing. they were very -- there's a lot of bra vaudo on social media saying that tonight was a night they were going to take the lead. that did not happen here in maricopa county. the bulk of the votes, the largest vote bulk is here in this county. it's the most populous county here in the state of arizona and what the lake campaign was anticipating did not happen though she did advance. still 100,000 votes left to count, and we just have to see how that goes. >> want to note the graphic on the screen those are of course

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and moments ago we got new vote totals in the arizona governor's race. our political panel joins us to discuss. all right, mark preston, what stands out to you? >> well, couple things. one is if we think overall we look at this elekction, the election deniers seem by and large to have lost. and those who have lost their races have conceded, so that's why we're all looking at arizona right now because the biggest election denier, one of the loudest voices about it of course is kari lake and she's republican nominee, you know, for governor in arizona. here's the situation, though. while she did gain some ground right there, we think that she's expected to get much more ground gained, and now the pie is starting to shrink right now. and for her path to win is getting smaller. i don't think we're going to call this race tonight. there's still 100,000 votes out in maricopa county. we saw 93,000 just dropped right

now. and we have to wait to cure as well. as election officials say, paula, we have to take a deep breath and let the election officials do their work. >> even as the officials are doing their work she has been sowing doubt. and you have had officials in arizona democrats and republicans complimenting each other about the important work they're doing and the fair work that they're doing. so you are seeing this kind of pushback in realtime to the disinformation that she and her campaign are trying to spread even as the votes aren't even counted yet. >> right. >> it's interesting to see all those people come together against this common enemy, disinformation, false claims. >> well, they've been through this rodeo before particularly in maricopa county. there were kind of ground zero, one of the several grund zeros i guess in the last election. so i think there's an acknowledgement how fast and how united that they have to be to push back on this as it's coming in. >> absolutely. now, if republicans take the

house, i mean how much will their internal squabbling, their infighting matter in terms of actually getting anything done? does it matter if you have the majority if you're fighting amongst yourselves? >> i think we all are watching this in realtime. kevin mccarthy sounds like the freedom caucus is going to make his life hard from go. look at john boehner, our speaker john boehner and what he had to deal with. less so paul ryan. it seems as the margin shrinks the more you have to pay attention to every section of your conference. i mean i know laura's covered this as well it has been -- we're already seeing these challenges form, and they're not going to make his life any easier. that's for sure. they have no incentive to. >> no incentive at all. and clearly control of the senate is very important. and going into these races, though, a lot of people thought president biden was really a liability for the candidates, but how much credit does he deserve for the senate control?

>> well, a lot of democrats are giving him credit including senator elizabeth warren i think today was out there saying that democrats should credit him because of the fact he was really crystallizing they think the argument heading into the final stretch. a lot of people did doubt what he was focusing on, and biden was focusing on what he and his administration had been doing they think to help america's pocketbooks but also abortion access and threats to democracy. those were two of the biggest arguments from the president and from a another of other democrats. and there was a question about whether or not those two focuses would actually help vulnerable democrats. now, i -- although some of the polls didn't show that was top of mind for voters -- when i was traveling to michigan and talking to some voters in pennsylvania it was very clear abortion access was front and center for those voters. in michigan there was an abortion ballot measure in that state along with four other states, but in pennsylvania some of the voters that i was talking

to in the lead up were saying they were squarely focused on abortion, it was motivating democrats. and they also brought up democracy a lot and their fear about all these election lies that was a common theme as mark mentioned across states. it wasn't just in arizona. there were election deniers up and down the ballot in michigan. there were some in pennsylvania, and across the board they appear to have lost. i don't think that means, though, that election lies are going to go away at all because we see that the former president is continuing to spread those lies. >> it does speak to candidate quality, right? it's one of the reasons these people couldn't go the distance. and in some cases you had national republicans pool their money, but in other cases they were all in just to grow their numbers. i will say one more thing about kevin mccarthy. he did bring this on himself. when you have the fringe members of the conference doing things out of the norm to say the least at the last conference instead of taking them in and saying this is inappropriate, you

shouldn't be, you know, doing this, he brought them into the fold. and he -- you know, by allowing that to happen, by not having any sort of discipline -- i know it sounds like something out of school or something. but by not having any sort of structure like that, he empowered them and that's where he's at. >> that's really interesting. now, let's look ahead to georgia. you have been on the ground reporting in that state. you would know better than anybody what does it mean if rafael warnock takes this seat? what does that one extra senate seat mean for the biden administration and its agenda? >> i think it's pivotal. some are trying to down-play its significance because georgia is not again going to be in the position to determine a senate majority, but it's still huge. we have seen there are at least two senators who are not democratic senators who are not reliable democratic votes, right, senator manchin, senator sinema. it leads to less pressure on senator schumer to have to persuade them if you have senator warnock who has proved to be a much more reliable

democratic vote and then also when you're thinking about confirmation of judges. president biden being able to move his appointees through, that helps as well. but also i think it's important for the state of georgia. you know, senator warnock and herschel walker have been running their campaigns very differently. they're very different candidates. and really key to senator warnock's re-election argument is that he is willing to work with republicans, right? we are living in a very polarizing time, and we don't hear that a lot. we don't hear candidates center as core to their re-election argument that they want to work with the other party. and so does this work? is he successful? is he able to peel off independents and moderates with this election argument? i think that is a big test. >> what's interesting too if you really want to get great insight into joe biden, what does joe biden think, who is joe biden, he was asked this question

yesterday when he was overseas on an extremely important trip. and they said what does it mean this georgia seat, and he said it means more committee assignments. and what that means is more power within the united states senate for democrats as a whole. but it just goes to show you that joe biden, president, vice president, he's really an institutionalist. he really is a senator more than anything. so as we're trying to move forward, as republicans are trying to, you know, get their act together on the hill, can joe biden go in and cut deals with mitch mcconnell, other republicans in this final two years because that's the only way he's going to get anything does is his ability to try to come to the center. >> and on the committee power you're talking about it also means subpoena power where right, which democrats don't have right now in that 50-50 senate. if there's a house republican and then house republicans in power dueling with senate democrats in terms of investigations, that's another thing that we could see if georgia goes to democrats. >> that is a great point. all right, everyone stay with us.

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cnn's special election coverage will continue in a minute, but first president biden is in indonesia ahead of the g20 summit and high stakes meeting with chinese president xi jinping just hours from now.

it'll be the first face-to-face talks between the two leaders since biden took office. and it's a marquee event for biden ois this overseas trip. on the agenda north korea and its escalating series of missile tests, taiwan, china's ambitions there and tensions over trade relations between washington and beijing. joining us now is cnn global affairs analyst susan glasser. let's start with this biden-xi meeting. what can biden realistically accomplish here? >> let's just say the president's advisors are trying to set expectations low. how low? well, the other day they gave a briefing in which they suggested that the goal here of this face-to-face meeting was to, quote, establish the floor in the relationship. so obviously they're not looking at any kind of major agreements coming out of this conversation. it's really a chance for two very wary global powers coming out of this pandemic, isolation that xi has maintained much

longer than other leaders to actually assess each other face-to-face, something that president biden, you know, of course values very much. he's still a believer in personal diplomacy. >> the floor that's about as low as it gets in terms of setting expectations, but back home it's been a successful mid-term for democrats now that they're projected to hold the senate. does that matter abroad? does this help bolster biden's standing on the world stage? >> well, i think it does to a certain extent. first of all of course it increases biden's own confidence headed into the g20 meeting. that is undoubtedly the case. it's also the case the world has been undergoing i would say a big case of, you know, super power shock the last few years. it's become clear that the extent of america's internal political problems and also affecting its ability to lead on the world stage. and i think, you know, for many people one of the big questions when you meet with president biden is, you know, well, what's the point of making an agreement with biden if in two years or four years you're simply going to see a new government, a new

administration come in like that of donald trump that's going to throw out agreements that the united states had made? and so i think one of those questions that world leaders have is america -- you know, does it have a national foreign policy or just a partisan foreign policy? so that helps. i also think the other issue on the agenda here is ukraine, and i think that's something president biden is going to bring up with xi if only to point out the u.s. sticks by its friends and russia has not done very well with its territorial war of aggression. >> speak of russia one world leader that won't be at the g20 summit is of course vladimir putin. earlier this week biden spoke about negotiating brittney griner's release with the russian leader. let's take a listen to what he said. >> my guess is, my hope is that now that the election is over that mr. putin will be able to discuss with us and be willing to talk more seriously about

prisoner exchange. that is my intention. my intention is to get her home. >> do you really think there's any chance that putin would be willing to play ball this time? >> well, what i learned from that comment is that the russians haven't been serious up until now in their conversations with the administration to the extent they've been occurring at all about brittney griner. unfortunately, as i have, you know, said from the beginning of this she's a hostage. she's a hostage of the putin government because she's the most high profile one they have, not one to be let go of lightly. and i think the fact they just transferred her to russian penal colony this week is obviously grim news and doesn't suggest any kind of release is going to be happening anytime soon. >> agreed. susan glasser, thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you. the wave turned into a trickle, but former president

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election night in america continues. former president donald trump is expected to announce another run for the white house this tuesday, according to his advisor jason miller. while speaking on steve bannon's podcast friday miller confirmed the run adding that trump's announcement from mar-a-lago would be, quote, very professional, very buttoned up. now, cnn contributor and trump biographer and author of "the truth about trump" michael d'antonio joins us now. all right, michael, are you surprised the former president will be making this announcement this week? >> not at all. i think that donald trump really only has one or two gears, and they both are forward. he doesn't have any reverse. so he's got to move forward. he's going to declare for the presidency i think in part because he foreshadowed a couple weeks ago when he gave a speech. and if you watch what happened

actually to jason miller a few days before he said he was sure trump would announce the same fellow was saying he shouldn't, he should delay. and i think that what miller decided was that the old trump method isn't going away so you're either with him or against him. and if you're against him, he's going to run over you. so this is the same donald trump we've always known. >> well, it is a little bit different. and let's talk about what does a white house run look like for the former president now, who we all saw what happened in 2016. the world was watching. now he's walking in potentially a third time running but many of his candidates have lost their mid-term elections. he now has a record that can be assessed. doesn't that make a difference this time around? >> oh, i think you're correct. the context is completely different now, and he does have

trouble adjusting to change. so, again, if the person that you're talking about only has this very small playbook with a very few good but limited plays, he may not have the capacity to adjust to a new environment. i think that he's also already maneuvering to blame other people for what happened to his candidates in the mid-terms. there's a lot of talk coming out of his camp about how the republican party, the national party, didn't support his candidates the way they should. the other side can push back and sa say, listen, we put $30 million into dr. oz, one of your celebrities. and it turned out he didn't win. and most of the other trump candidates, most of them failed as well. you're correct.

this is a very different situation, a very different environment, but the same fellow. >> a lot of that infighting we were talking about earlier with our panel and how that impacts the republican party as a whole. the former president is facing state and criminal federal investigations. do you think that is factoring into his decision to announce now? >> oh, i certainly do. he's counting on this idea, and it's reflected in the office of legal counsel that's decision related to prosecuting presidents, that a former president who's running for office or any major candidate for office should not be prosecuted during the campaign. now, i don't think that this is necessarily going to hold in this case because the federal government has been investigating him for a couple of years. i think merrick garland, the attorney general, has delayed in order to get past the midterm.

but he's not going to let evidence of a crime go unprosecuted. so, i think he's mistaken in that way. i also think he's planning on a huge uprising should he be prosecuted. and i'm not sure that's going happen either. there were all these suggestions that there was going to be protests and even the president, the former president, called for protests on the night of the election, and it never materialized. >> all right. michael deann tone yo, thank you so much. i want to continue this conversation with our panel. all right. alice, this morning, maryland's republican governor, larry hogan, told cnn that he worries trump's special announcement and possible involvement in the georgia senate runoff could cost the gop. let's take a listen to what he said. >> but there's no question he's still the 800-pound gorilla.

and it's still a battle. it's going to continue for the next two years. i would just say we're two years out from the next election, and we're just trying to -- the dust is settling from this one. i think it would be a mistake. as i mentioned, trump's cost us the last three elections. and i don't want to see it happen a fourth time. >> so, how worried should republicans be about this special announcement on tuesday? >> i think a lot of rational republicans agree with governor hogan and "wall street journal" as well in their opinion piece this week said that ever since donald trump won, he has a perfect record of electoral defeat. and what many are looking at, conservatives, common sense conservatives, look at this election. the candidates that focused on immigration and crime and issues that are important to the american people, they fared well. those that were more extreme candidates, that looked at election denials and conspiracy theories and relitigating 2020,

those are the candidates that did not do well. so, many people are looking at donald trump, who in the republican party did have a purpose. when he ran in 2016, he wanted to give a voice to many americans who didn't feel their voice was being heard. but his brand extremism has met its expiration date. and a lot of republicans are looking for him to move forward. they do not want him involved in the georgia senate race because he got involved in the runoff election two years ago and cost us two senate seats that lost the balance of power -- or the majority -- in the senate. so, they would prefer for him to stay on the sidelines and put all of the focus on republicans uniting behind herschel walker in georgia. >> another trump-backed candidate, one of the most high profile ones, is candidate for governor arizona, kari lake. that race still undecided. what will her win or loss mean

for the former president's standing in the party? >> well, it'll mean nothing because he'll take credit if she wins and he'll blame her or somebody else if she loses. he's a heads i win, tails you lose type. i've been in campaign headquarters. i promise there's a debate going on right now, between team math and team myth. i think we're wise not to call it. but i think she gained 9,000 votes out of the last 90,000. about 160 left. she needs 26. so, i think it's very, very tough for her. but math, in reality, have never been mr. trump's long suits. i think he just rolls on. i think alice made a really good point. we just saw governor hogan. trump cost them three seats in the senate before the filing deadline. they could have gotten governor hogan to run. he could have won. they could have got chris sununu

in new hampshire. he could have won. pat toomey, he's younger than half the senators. he didn't. i believe it's because the republicans, good people all, didn't want to live in trump's party anymore and they didn't want to serve in trump's version of the senate. >> right wing media figures are also turning on trump. how significant is it if he loses that echo chamber he's really been dependent on over the past six, seven years. >> he'll do everything he possibly can to continue to seek it. not only is trump a drag on the republican party, he also takes people completely off message and has them focus on things that have nothing to do with the american people and everything to do with donald trump. for instance, voters were wondering how they were going to make ends meet rolling into winter with gas and grocery prices still beyond the reach of so many people. and the biggest test for both democrats and republicans was if they had a plan to help with

those very issues, democrats talk about democracy. abortion in a lot of states was on the -- was the top issue for democrats. but republicans failed to articulate a message of how they were going to fix the economy, what they were going to do to help people. they taubed about the issues. they talked about the right issues. but they failed to talk about or produce a plan that was going to make tomorrow better for americans, give them a vision of something positive that they can look forward to that was worth voting at the booth for republicans. this was completely winnable. it should have been winnable. both houses should have been winnable for republicans. >> all right, maria, really quickly. 2024, in your opinion, would democrats rather run against former president trump or florida governor ron desantis?

>> well -- >> i think they'd want to -- >> i can sit here and say one side or the other, but i think the reality is there's going to be a clash of the titans within the republican party to figure out who's going to be their nominee. and, look, i appreciate my dear friend alice and mia talking about how they believe the republican party lost because of trump. and i think it's true. and how the republican party needs to turn the page from trump. but that is never going to happen until the elected officials in trump's own party get the backbone and get the -- to say, mr. trump, your rule, your era, is over. because right now you have kevin mccarthy. he is kill, you know, toeing the line. you have elise stefanik, who wants to challenge mccarthy. she's already supporting donald trump for his 2024 run. jason miller, you had this in

the last interview, had said essentially, support trump or else. so, this is going to be a huge fight within the party that's going to continue to tear the party apart while democrats are going to focus on the american people and what they need. >> thank you very much. everyone stay with us. cnn has a new projection. we'll have that for you and much more after the break, as election night in america continues. but withth upwork, there's highly skilled talent frfrom all over the globe right at your fingertips. it's where businesses meet great remotote talent and remote talent meets great opportunity. ♪ ♪ this is how we work now ♪