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now is not the time to look back at the 2022 midterms, because they're still unfolding right in front of us right this minute, now. tomorrow, all indications are the former president well -- for his announcement, if, in fact, he makes one tomorrow night. it's certainly gonna be heard differently in the wake of what's happened in the midterms. cnn's john la is in phoenix tonight. -- we will begin with keyon. what's the latest on the numbers? >> i just heard seconds ago, anderson, these numbers will be dropping at the bottom of the hour. so 30 more minutes before we know exactly what this release of votes from maricopa county, the most populous county in the state of arizona, what the voters have decided. what we can tell you is that it's gonna be critical. the information that we're getting at the bottom of the hour will essentially be all of the early ballots that were dropped on election day, and it is gonna be every single one, except for the ballots that need to be cared.

so we're talking about thousands that are out here, versus tens of thousands that we will now at the bottom of this hour. so, this is the lake path. if she has any hope, it will really reside in those tens of thousands. she has to make up some ground. you are going over some of those pima numbers. they were not in her favor. pima is a traditionally blue county. what we saw here is that hobbs is after this release at 58. 1% -- sure that 58. 1%, and like at 41. 9% of the data that we got out of pima. i just want to have you turn, anderson, to something else. we got this just minutes ago. kari lake has been very quiet. the campaign has been very quiet. not talking to reporters. this is a campaign that almost on a nightly basis has given us some indication of how they're feeling. but now, we're hearing from

kari lake on twitter. she's been tweeting about having her followers go and check on the ballots. minutes ago, she tweeted, here's the tweet -- shouldn't election officials be impartial? the guys running the election have made it their mission to defeat america first republicans. unbelievable. she is subtweeting -- quote tweeting a conspiracy theorist. there isn't a lot of basis and what she is saying. there are -- you know, a lot of what she's saying about the pace of this as not warranted. there's nothing wrong with what maricopa county is doing compared to how they've counted their ballots in other years. another years that i've stood in this very room, watching the ballots come in. what we're starting to see it is some of the muddying of the waters, and one last thing, anderson, before i toss it back to you. security here is the highest i have seen in all the nights since election night.

there's about 20 to 25 -- rooftops, on the ground. we have control cars rigging this entire building. there's a heightened security approach, because of what's gonna happen in 30 minutes. >> i gotta tell you. the buzz in the room you're in, i assume there has to be -- i mean, every journalist who can fit in that room is there, all waiting for the numbers. it's not what the buses? >> absolutely. this could be very telling. is it gonna be enough for our statisticians to make a prediction? we don't know. we have to know how many votes are still out there, and what the numbers show. but it is what election officials say is basically everything they have, except for what needs to be cured. so it's gonna be a big number, and it should be very telling. >> and he said -- i'm always confused by the bottom of the hour. you're talking at the half hour? >> at the half hour. so, in 26 minutes? about 26 minutes, we should

have some indication, and it's approximate. these election officials have been working around the clock. >> yeah. kyung, standby, i want to bring in national correspondent -- john king. maricopa county now saying 8:38, ten for the big batch of votes. what are you watching for? how many votes are coming in, we know? >> let me walk through some of the new math we have and set up the map we're about to get at the bottom of the hour. you get conspiracy theories, anderson, like kyung was just explaining, from kari lake, when the math is not going your way. and at this moment, the math is decidedly not going kari lake's way. here's the total, statewide, 29,048 -- 50. 6%. rounded up to 51. 49% for kari lake. that's about 4329 votes, if my math is correct. big lead for katie hobbs than just an hour ago. i did that happen? most of it was these votes here in pima county. this is what just came out of pima county. 13,935.

58% of the democrat, 41% for the republican. a republican is losing. that means as our new installment of votes comes and, she needs to win. each and every installment, or to win huge and what's about to come. and pima it's not the only result that just came in. we got a modest amount of votes in yuma county. noticed it's red. and the modest new votes, though, katie hobbs had more in that one small report. again, more bad math for kari lake. we've also got some new votes in the last hour from -- again, a very modest number of votes. you'll notice, the, kari lake is leading in this county. and that last installment of its, katie hobbs had more. again, bad math for kari lake. and, some more votes last hour in apache county, in the northeastern county in the state. this one is an overwhelmingly democratic county, and katie hobbs, the democrat, that more votes than kari lake. what does that leave us now? our decision team has been crunching the math. excuse me for turning my back. we believe is about 140,000 votes still out statewide. as kyung just said, we'll get

most of those for maricopa county in just a few minutes. at the moment, kari lake is getting 49. 4% of the votes statewide. she would need somewhere in the ballpark of 58 to 60% of the remaining fight to catch up. now again, you don't need to be a rocket scientist. she's getting 49% and all the votes counted so far. most of the votes have been counted so far. that's what she's getting. she would need way more than that, 58 to 60% in the remaining vote count. she knows that. the hill is getting steeper, and it got a lot steeper in just the last hour, anderson, which is why you start getting these questions again. i'll just say this about the officials counting the votes, especially in maricopa county. the same officials who counted them two years ago. they were audited, donald trump went to court, and his allies even brought in the so-called cyber ninjas. what did they decide? but they actually undercounted the votes. undercounted joe biden's votes. these people know how to count votes. >> we should point out

nationwide, recounts, audits, checking and counting, recounting ballots by hand, have all shown there was no widespread voter fraud in 2020. all those conspiracy theories are just that. >> very people raising legitimate questions. a florida can count so fast, if georgia can, if pick your state can count so fast, what is it takes a long in arizona? what is it takes a long enough? we'll be asking this question about house races, why is it taking so long in california? different states do it different ways. that's up to the state. if the voters in arizona don't like it, they can appeal to their governors or their state legislature. but, the camp of its, and you after year, election after election, the counts are held up as solid. you can complain about the pace if you want, but you can't complain about the math. it's been tested and election after election after election. they know how to count. >> john king, i hope you'll be standing by as well. can't wait to get results in the next 20 or so minutes. now, --

former obama advisor -- scott jennings, who served a special assistant to president george w. bush administration, and cnn correspondent -- corners. david, you heard the numbers from john king. we know that more numbers are coming. how does it look to you and arizona for kari lake? >> well, look. i think she's been trailing throughout. the later numbers are not encouraging to her. i think the handwriting is on the wall, anderson. we have to see -- strange things can happen, but right now, it would be a very strange thing for a candidate who's been getting less than 50% of the vote to suddenly, and the last tranche of ballots, get 60% of those. so, you know, i think there is, as john suggested, there is a reason that she is, you know, sending these inflammatory treat tweets that. i will say, look, all across the country, election deniers have been defeated. the american people have sent a message on election denial. in this election. and there's no more flamboyant

exponent of conspiracy theories about elections in this country, in this campaign, then kari lake. that's why there's so much interest around the country. i think this will be the final exclamation point on a message from the american people that this is not the way to go. and the fact that there are -- there are sheriffs police surrounding that building, and people, security on the roofs, and so on, it really speaks to how tragic these conspiracy theories are, and how deleterious they are to our democracy. we shouldn't have to have that around polling, counting centers in the states of america. >> scott, it's stunning to see just how many of these elections areas across the country, and liars, have failed. and kari lake, who may still win, but at the numbers win, but at the numbers certainly seem to be going that direction, i mean, she is sort of a fascinating case study in the

power and limitations of -- >> she's probably the most talented of the trump-centric candidacies. maybe the most famous trump -centric candidate in the country. she's had this sort of communications aura around her that she was kind of trump next level in terms of being able to carry the message. but if the numbers hold, she's not gonna win. blake masters was a trump -centric candidate, he's not gonna win. and when i think about lessons learned from this election, going into the next one, look at all the states we've been talking about. arizona, pennsylvania, nevada -- these are all presidential swing states. so if the trump-centric candidates this year, the people running into sort of re-litigate 2020 and talk about election denialism, if they came up short this year, over that mean if the republican party nominated donald trump in 2024? do we think these independent voters who brought against republicans are suddenly gonna rethink that position? i doubt it. there's a lot lessons to be learned here. she was probably, from a

technical perspective, the best of the all in on trump candidacies. now, there's a lesson to be learned. >> doug mastriano conceded defeat, an election denier. is it too optimistic to think that this is sort of the death knell of the popularity of these election lies? >> certainly, there was such a rebuke of secretary of state candidates in particular. there was a coalition called the american first coalition. mark finchem in arizona is one of them. they've been pretty soundly rejected by the virus. one thing is, a lot of these republicans that candidates were emboldened by the primary process. so, there was not some grand pivot to appeal to independent or persuadable voters like kari lake. she's all in on her message, and therefore, i think it was -- it turned out to be a pretty good bat for democrats who poured money into some of these races, to boost that on this.

>> because i -- mean they're a lot of people saying -- it seemed -- >> it seemed unwise. and it probably would've been if those candidates didn't just run with it, if they had turned and said, oh, let me tamp down some of this, because now i'm in the general election. they did not. and actually, what's been surprising is to hear concessions speeches. the here that the phone calls are being made. that means that maybe some people have taken in that last sun, and understood that just kind of going to -- the way trump might have done is not gonna yield the returns that you want. >> david, what do you think about that? do you think this is a death knell for these conspiracies? >> well, i don't think it'll be the death knell for conspiracy theories. but i think the republican party may grow a stronger spine in standing up to it. no, actually, in arizona, there was a very spirited primary campaign, and the governor and others got behind a different candidate who didn't expect the conspiracy theories.

she narrowly lost. i think the lesson here, and she may well have won this election for republicans. so across the country, the lesson should be, let's dispatch with all of this, and compete on a different battleground here. because this election denier stuff that trump is so connected with is a loser for us. practical people will make that decision, i think. >> can i add one more thing? it does have the effect of also suppressing your own vote. in arizona, there were some watches who said that the sheer volume of people who have dropped in their mail in ballots because they didn't want to put it at a drop box where vigilantes might be sitting on the back of a truck nearby, or they were concerned because they heard their own candidates saying, hey, you better watch out for this -- you know, compared to the last election, there are like 100,000 more, almost, votes that returned in. that's when we talk about vote dumps, they're not dumps. more people are bringing in their election to the office rather than using these drop boxes.

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more results right now from pima county. let's go back to kyung lah. what does it, show kyung? >> it's a small drop of numbers, but it's still significant, especially in a race that is too early to call like the governor's race right now for us. what we have in pima about 7305 votes that just came in. katie hobbs, democrat, at 4200 votes. 40 to 44, to be exact. republican kari lake, 3061. so, that growth, we have 294 hobbs for the democrats. she's continuing to pad, continuing to add. but one other thing i just want to point out, anderson, you can see this room behind me is empty. there is a separate path that you can see another camera. this is very unusual for the six nights that we've been here. you have almost always seen workers due to catering. you've almost always seen the ballots going through the tabulating machines. it's been very busy. the workers have been here, election workers have been here 14 to 18 hours every day.

every day americans just counting and diligently working. it has been exhausting, as they sit at screens and look at ballots, and they have a bipartisan panel try to figure out what the voter was saying in that ballot. but tonight, it's empty, and what that message is is that we are very near the end. and again, what we're expecting in just about nine minutes or so about, nine minutes we saw, we are anticipating to now essentially everything that maricopa has released. that'll be all the early ballots dropped off on election day. this is where carrie like -- the campaign has told us -- early bats where she will win. and we will find out, hopefully, in just a bit. >> only go back to john king at the -- new pima numbers. >> katie hobbs has a 30,200 -- 51% if you run that up to 49, if you rounded up. and essentially the last hour, maybe more than an hour --

katie hobbs has added 5512 votes to her lead. you might say, in a big state like arizona, she's got 1. 2 million total, that's not a lot of its. it's not a lot of ads, but the math is heading in the wrong direction. again, if you're traveling, you need to win the new installment of votes that come in. and kari lake tonight as lost and every single one of the new installments. two from fema, one from yuma, one from cochise, and one from apache county. everything is going in the opposite direction for k like. does that mean it's impossible? no it doesn't. but there is about 140,000 votes left, even less now that we have the pima votes. the universe of available votes is going to. most of those will come from maricopa county in a number of

minutes, and again, let me go to maricopa county for us. ten this off, go to maricopa county. you do the math here. she's getting 48% of the vote in maricopa county right now. she needs to get in the new votes to come in, the rest of the votes that comes on, she needs to be close to 60%. i'll be generous to her and say 58%. she's getting 48, she needs to do 10% above that in the last vote count. so these votes coming out just a few minutes, they could well be kari lake's last best hope. >> john king, standby with that. last big ballot update, any minute now. the republican governor candidate for governor is behind, and is complaining -- kari lake said moments ago on fox about her opponent, katie hobbs, and the election itself. >> i don't believe that the people of arizona would vote for her and that she would win. but if that's what happens at the end of the day, how do you certify an election that is

this botched? and she's the one that would certify her own election? where it was botched, but the machines didn't work and more than a third of the polling centers? i don't know how we remedy this. but the people of arizona are furious. the reaching out to us by the thousands, saying i don't think my vote even was counted. >> and they would be wrong. kari lake saying that just moments ago, joining us now is outgoing arizona house speaker rusty bowers, who lost his seat after taking on the former president -- election deniers in his state. speaker bauer, what is your reaction to lake calling the arizona election botched tonight before a final result or even? mr. bowers, can you hear me? i think we're having trouble. rusty bowers, it's anderson cooper. can you hear me? will make contact, will continue to try. we'll take a quick commercial break. we expect new numbers from

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>> we're just moments away, minutes away from what's expected to be the last major election update from arizona's biggest counties. you've been hearing from john king these next numbers from -- the race for governor with democrat katie hobbs right now leading the republican kari lake by 1. 2 percentage points. i want to go back to kyung lah, who's standing by. kyung, what are you expecting? what are you hearing? >> well, we're waiting for this vote release. what we're told by the county as that it will be essentially every vote that they've tabulated that is an early vote, that was dropped off on election day, that they've been able to count. they've been able to tabulate. the only votes that they will not be releasing, but they still have to go through, and the ballots that need to be cured. that's gonna take a little bit of time, make sure the signature goes back to a voter.

so that's a small percentage. we're talking thousands, versus the tens of thousands were expecting shortly. but, we can tell you right now that it's still too early to call. that's how close this race is. so, without that information, it's simply too early to call. i'm gonna keep refreshing my page, because what we're anticipating, and i'm just getting a little bit of information, and john king, we are now told by the county but the vote release we will be getting will be 72,000 votes. 72,000 votes. so, if you're following along, and we're doing our math here, yesterday -- we're gonna look up how many votes we were told last night would be released. the 72,000 votes as what we're gonna get. and then, if we can do some lose my half, then we'll know exactly how many are out there. i believe the estimate was about 85, 95 left to count. yes. 85 to 95,000 left to count. 72,000 released tonight.

john, now you know approximately how many ballots are left to care. so it's basically everything. essentially, we will have the bulk of the results from maricopa county tonight. the largest county and arizona, and we will know very soon how close this race actually is. let's talk about recount. very briefly, recount laws changed here in the state of arizona. it used to be 0. 1%, now it's 0. 5%. so, half a percentage point. that's the gap. if there is that gap, then there will be -- scott? how long, scott? he's just gonna walk right by me. >> 15 minutes. >> 15 minutes. >> 15 minutes, we're told. now 15 minutes before we get these results. so, just a little longer, anderson. be patient. 15 minutes, and we'll have the results of 72,000 votes from

maricopa county. anderson. >> these are all votes brought in by early voting, dropped off at ballot boxes, red election centers on election day? in maricopa county? >> essentially. essentially. this is the bulk of them. this is what the kari lake campaign says is the path. now, the carry link campaign had run on -- you've been talking about disinformation. misinformation. they've been putting out at numerous campaign events that i've been to, at different rallies, that for some reason, the campaign was putting out messages that said, if you vote on election day, those will somehow count more than early ballots. the logic they're -- difficult to follow. but that's what the campaign did. so, what happened here in maricopa county as that there were a record amount of votes

that were delivered on election day. people voted there as well as those mail-in ballots that were filled out at home and then dropped off and vote senators on election day. but if you turn on about with his signature on the outside, that needs to be signature verified. that's what takes time. that's the hard work of the elections office in maricopa county. we are working around the clock to make sure they can verify that. it's still a process that's underway. so it simply takes time. there are a few, few of the -- ones that have the issue with the printer, but really, we're talking about thousands versus tens of thousands were expecting. 72,000 shortly. >> keyon, standby. -- house republicans met behind closed doors this evening to eric concerns about who should leave them. they had an internal vote. both kevin mccarthy in the house, as well as mitch mcconnell in the senate, i looking to hold on to their leadership -- should republicans win a majority in the house. but after republicans

underwhelming performance in the midterms, it's calls for change, the former president -- no surprises, weighing in on both races. i'm joined now by chief congressional correspondent my new raju. this meeting behind closed -- spoke with republicans at the meeting? what did you learn? >> he tried to appeal for unity. this is a priority that came into the midterms -- they put out a massive house majority next year, but now we're looking at the likelihood of a very narrow majority. potentially a handful of seats could make or break the difference and any bill that's on the fire and can make or break the difference for kevin mccarthy himself as he tries to secure the speakership. the day, they had a candidate -- wanting appealed to his members. he tried to preach unity. he said to them, they don't give up gavels small medium and large. we have the majority and we have the gavels. he said that, meaning we still have the -- regardless of the size of the

majority. he did face some sharp questions, including from some critics. but he's expected tomorrow to get the confirmation to be the next speaker of the house. that's the first step in the process, anderson. next january, that's where he'll need the 218 votes of the full house to be elected speaker, and more than a handful of defections could be enough to complicate things. >> what about mitch mcconnell in the senate? >> well, mitch mcconnell -- republican leader. he would -- that doesn't mean that republicans are happy about the way things are -- there is still plans to pau ahead. the question is whether mcconnell will even face a challenging. he could face a challenge from rick scott, the florida republican senator who told me tonight is not made a decision yet on whether to challenge mcconnell. but, mcconnell will still have the votes -- >> possible run. >> the not so pleased. in fact, a lot of them are uneasy about it. they're anxious about it. some are rejecting it all together. for a few in which -- we expand out across the house in the senate talking to a

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kyung, what are you hearing? what are the numbers? >> these are numbers that have just popped on the maricopa county website. the ballots that we have gotten, 700 and -- 72, 000, approximately, ballots that have been released. katie hobbs, john, if you're there, katie hobbs currently stands at 783,565. 783565. that is a net gain of 30,825 votes. 30, 000, 825 votes. kari lake started -- as now at 744,753 votes against 744,753 votes. that's a net gain of 40, 000, 575. 40 -- so she gained just under 10,000 votes beyond hobbs. she did very well. she had 10,000 more than katie hobbs. but, katie hobbs still is at 51%, in kari lake is at 49%. i leave the mat to the great john king. >> kyung, could you just repeat the votes that have just come in? >> the title that she is now standing at, that these

candidates who are standing at in maricopa cannily -- katie hobbs is at 783, 000, 565. a net gain of 50,800 -- that's 30, 000, 825 votes. not again. kari lake, a republican, currently stands at 744,753 votes. 744,753 votes. that is a net gain of 40,575 votes. again, 40,575 votes. >> so kari lake just -- >> about 10,000 -- >> votes behind. >> she is, yes. >> 784,000 -- >> yes, i didn't do that math. but they're separated by about two percentage points. >> let's check in with john at the magic wall. john. >> anderson, this number you'll see next to me, this is the significant number. i'm just double checking. i looked down and double check this.

in this new batch of votes, as kyung just one thing, katie hobbs got 43% of the new votes. kari lake cuts -- 57% if you round up with this new match. this is why this gets interesting with what i tell you at the top of the hour. she needs someone in the ballpark of 60% of the new fights to stay in contention. 58 to 60%. this is below that, but it's just below that. it's just below that. now, the people on our decision desk have to do the math.

they're about 135,000 outstanding votes before maricopa county reported this. now, do the math, they figure out the universe that still out there, and kari lake needed 60%. 58 to 60% is what our team thought, being generous. she gets 57% in this one installment. now, in the maricopa county numbers, katie hobbs is still ahead, and when i come to the statewide numbers, katie hobbs is still ahead by 20,481 votes. that jumped up while we are yuma county, coaches county, -- apache candy, it was hops on top. but in this latest installment in maricopa county, kari lake finally came out on top in the largest county in the state, and this one installment. is it enough? that's a math question. this will get a closer, is a keeper in play? this narrow the gap some? yes, but it's still 20,481 vote lead. so the challenge now is to try to get an exact number on the universe still out there. kari lake has closed the gap

with this installment. the question is, is that enough? this is, this particular installment, this was a little shy. our team said she needs 58 to 60%. now, as the universal votes shrinks, you'll re-run them off, we don't know what's gonna happen pretty shortly. this is a comeback, if you will. she's narrowed the gap. but again, the question is, is it enough? and remember, in 2020, joe biden's lead shrunk and shrunk and shrunk, but then it held at the end. it was a narrow lead and held at the end. the question is, is that what's happening again? or we have to wait for more votes? >> so, it shows at the map, because exactly how far ahead is katie hobbs, just in terms of sheer votes? >> sheer votes, she is 20,481 votes ahead. that was a bigger lead when we talked at the top of the hour, because in this latest installment for maricopa county, it was carried like that came out on top. that is what blake has been waiting for. again, throughout the day, the results that have come in since the 7:00 hour here in the east coast in yuma, twice in pima, once in cochise, once in

apache. katie hobbs added to her lead, modestly, with each of those one, two, three, four, five installments. but this one, it just came in here, kari lake, she still trails overall maricopa county. i know this can be confusing. kari lake still trails overall in maricopa county. but in this latest installment of votes, she got more votes than katie hobbs. so, she narrowed the gap some. again, it's still 20,481 vote lead. and the universe of available votes to count is shrinking and shrinking quite considerably tonight. anderson, the question is now, as we were just doing the math, are you close enough to make a prediction? do you want to wait for more votes? that's complicated math. again, this is improved news for kari lake. the big question is, is it enough? >> john, i don't know if you know the answer, or this is a common question. how many votes are still out there to be counted? it says 97% of votes have been counted? >> estimated votes. and so, counting goes in maricopa, she'd come back in anytime she is ready. we woke up this morning with

about 140,000 votes still outstanding. when you look at the human and the fema and the coaches and the apache votes, i think we are down to a little over 100,000 votes. then we just got this universe in, and i can toss the exact number out of maricopa county. you can do with a rough rough map -- we can check all the counties that make sure that number is. right but we are about 140,000 beginning of the day. we expect to be below 100,000 at the end of the night. we should be getting close now. >> so, kyung, do you know how many votes are outstanding? >> we are just getting, and this is an estimate. this is an estimate because there are provisional ballots, and then, they are going to the curing process. so, this is a moving target. but the latest number that we have in maricopa county is that they've estimated 5000 to 15,000 remaining ballots. and, john, i don't know if it is helpful to break down exactly what that is. but of the 5 to 15,000 remaining ballots, there are

still 3500 estimated election day ballots to be reported, 7600 to cure, and there are a total of 7885 provisional ballots. so, that is where the moving target is. the provisional ballots, how much are they going to be able to get across the line to count as a vote, as an actual vote? what we are hearing now from the -- we do have a little reporting from inside the lake camping. a source we've been talking to for multiple days, from the lake campaign, is describing tonight, just released tonight, as a massive disappointment. that is a quote, a massive disappointment. the election day drop offs that we were relying on to be very republican-leaning are just not breaking in our favor enough. the estimate from this source who was working within the lake

campaign, the lake sphere, is that the late team was anticipated receiving 66% of that batch. we've been talking, john, we've been talking about the math, what she needed in order to break in her favor. but matt from inside the campaign is that they were anticipating it would be 66%. that's why you are hearing from, at least we are hearing from our sources within the campaign, that this is a massive disappointment, anderson? >> how we're gonna continue to follow this, in this hour, and also in the next hour, all through until 10:00. we'll take a short break. we'll have more when we come back. for instant relief that lasts up to 12 hours. vicks sinex targets congestion at the source, relieving nasal congestion and sinus pressure by reducing swelling in the sinuses. try vicks sinex.

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>> moments ago, we've got a new vote total from arizona's biggest county, candidate for governor carrie lake improved her vote total, but she saw trails for democrat hobbs, with about 15,000 ballots remaining to count in maricopa county,

depending on how many traditional ballots are counted. now, these votes total come as we look after the former presidents expected announcement. he is running again tomorrow. i want to play what the former vice said tonight on nbc world news. >> we do know that the former president could announce any day now that he is running for president yet again. given all that you witnessed the capitol on that day, this is a pretty straightforward question, a yes or a no, do you believe that donald trump should ever be president again? >> david, i think that is up to the american people. but i think we'll have better choices in the future. and people in this country actually get along pretty well, once you get out of politics. and i think they want to see their national leaders start to reflect that same, that same compassion. >> perspective now from cnn senior political commentator john kasich, former republican

governor of ohio, also served in the house. he is the author of it's up to us, the big change. also van jones, cnn political commentator, and former special adviser for president obama. governor, what is your reaction from pence's assertion that there may be better choices for republicans in 2024? >> i don't know why he just didn't say no. i mean, why wouldn't he say no. i don't think he should be president. i can't figure that out. but, you know, it is disappointing he doesn't say no. frankly, you know, he should have said no from the beginning because, you know, donald trump has divided our country. and we see what his influence was in his last election. the campaign was just not on him. we have a lot of republicans didn't have a message in terms what they wanted to. they spent their time just attacking joe biden. and, look, if you don't have an agenda, if you can't get people excited, you're gonna have a problem. the good news, anderson, out of that election, a lot of the people who were extreme, they lost. and that is a positive. and maybe we are getting back to some sense of normalcy in

this country. >> that, it's interesting. one assumes that mike's, mike pence is running for president that he doesn't think donald trump should be president. but is if he's trying to be a decisive strong leader, i mean, is he just afraid of upsetting the former president? is he afraid of poking the bear or something? >> you know, i don't think so. you know, pence is a different personality. he tends to be a little bit more understated in all things. he's been very far right wing. he's never been a burner. and i think, honestly, this time, tomorrow, what you are going to see, it's something that's pretty rare. you are going to see just a complete piranha attack on donald trump. if he announced tomorrow that he's running for president, which everybody says he will, the people who are literally worshipping at his feet just a few weeks ago are going to be, i think, much more forceful than you heard from vice president pence today. and say it's a bad idea.

and before the whole party i think was frozen by fear. i think the fear has broken up. i think you're gonna hear a lot more criticism of donald trump. -- >> who do you think is going to be doing this? >> a lot of these elected officials who, i think, were emboldened. people, frankly, went more in the governor's wing than the party, meant a little bit more -- i think there's gonna be a lost a lot less muted tomorrow. >> governor kasich, your thought? >> look, here's the situation. donald trump controls a lot of the party apparatus. he's a county chair, the state chairman. and, you know, they kind of have something at stake, too. states determined today, you want to be state chairman tomorrow. and they are sort of connected to trump. and so, when the party apparatus is still clinging somebody, it is pretty tough to break it. are we gonna have people come out and be forceful? we've had some former members say things, frankly, i don't really understand why many of them just don't say no, we don't want him. i mean, i don't know what they're afraid of. but, anderson, it just seems to me that pence was asked this

question. i agree with van. he is an understated guy. but when somebody asks you after what happened on january 6th, and everything observed in four years, and then, do you think donald trump should be president? and you say well, it's up to the american people. that's a dodge. he should have just said no. that's what i would have said. i'm not him, he's not me. >> governor, do you think someone like florida governor ron desantis who had his strong election cycle, compared with the former president, could be one of those better choices? >> well, i think desantis is going to be a candidate. he will be, it appears, a strong candidate. he has raised a lot of money. he's probably going to raise a lot of money. and i think he is going to end up running. but, you know, running for president ain't easy. you know, you've got to go in iowa. you've got to go fish fries. you've got to go to new hampshire. and, you just gotta get with the folks. and you gotta connect with them. and they got a look you in the eye. and you gotta look them in the eye. so it's a long way, yeah, there's gonna be -- desantis's gonna get in this race, pence will probably get in this race, as well. and, frankly, ironically, the

bigger the field is, the better chance, perhaps, that donald trump has to be able to pull this off. but he is not gonna be president of the united states. van and anderson, i think if he is the nominee and he runs, he's not gonna be president. people are not gonna vote for him again. maybe that will be in his calculation, as he moves forward, but i don't believe it. i would say, all along, he was fading. he is fading. it could be the nominee, but he ain't gonna win. >> van, it's interesting, histories are replete with candidates and people thought is gonna be a great national candidate, somebody never runs for national office before, ron desantis has not. we have no idea what sort of campaign or he is. >> look, i think right now, he is the great hope for people who want to say the republican party move forward, trumpism without trump. and so, that makes him, i think, an interesting figure. but, you know, the reality is people say he is not as warm as he'd have to be in places like iowa to get the nomination. but, what i will say is that republicans just don