bigger the field is, the better chance, perhaps, that donald trump has to be able to pull this off. but he is not gonna be president of the united states. van and anderson, i think if he is the nominee and he runs, he's not gonna be president. people are not gonna vote for him again. maybe that will be in his calculation, as he moves forward, but i don't believe it. i would say, all along, he was fading. he is fading. it could be the nominee, but he ain't gonna win. >> van, it's interesting, histories are replete with candidates and people thought is gonna be a great national candidate, somebody never runs for national office before, ron desantis has not. we have no idea what sort of campaign or he is. >> look, i think right now, he is the great hope for people who want to say the republican party move forward, trumpism without trump. and so, that makes him, i think, an interesting figure. but, you know, the reality is people say he is not as warm as he'd have to be in places like iowa to get the nomination. but, what i will say is that republicans just don't like

party leaders who screw up much room elections. i remember newt gingrich, you know, that great, typed in somebody who really reshaping publican party. he was a dominant speaker. he screwed up in the 1998 midterm by just getting fewer folks elected then he promised. and he was gone. so, i think something about this republican party, if you are the party leader, and you don't have a great amateur performance, people start moving away. and i think you might actually see that happening now. i think trump is weaker than he's ever been before. and i think tomorrow, you would expect people to rally for trump. i think you are going to see something quite different tomorrow. you're not gonna see people rushing rushing to the party, people standing back and other people criticizing. >> yeah, van jones, john kasich, appreciate it. a programming note on wednesday, cnn's come to a special town all with former vice president mike pence. a lot of studio audience, along with jake tapper. he'll ask the vice president pence questions starting on 9 pm eastern. we are going to reset the gear at the top of the hour.

if you're just joining, us thanks very much. another hour of ac360. we're gonna go to kyung who lah is standing by in phoenix, and arizona, maricopa county with the latest vote count in the governor's way. kyung, what's the latest? >> the very latest vote count that we're getting from maricopa county, which is, and i just want to point this out to people, if you're just joining us, maricopa county is the largest county in the state of arizona, often, you have to win in maricopa if you want to win in the state. that's why we are here. that's why the candidates pay so much attention to it. and, tonight, this latest batch, we did see kari lake do slightly better. but she needed to do even better, according to people from within her campaign. and so, what we see right now coming out of maricopa county is that katie hobbs, the democrat, remains at 51%. kari lake is at 49%. that is very close. but then, you size that up through the state, and those numbers that continue to show

that katie hobbs remains in the league. we are hearing from a source from within the kari lake campaign, someone we've been talking to for many days, who characterizes tonight a vote dump that the lake campaign had been riding on to break in their favor, that all of their math show that they needed to win this, that source is characterizing this as, quote, a massive disappointment. that this batch, they anticipated would be very republican and it just didn't happen. they were anticipating that 66% of this batch needed to be won by kari lake, and that number is far higher. it's a bit higher than what it actually ended up being. i'm also, anderson, getting a lot of reaction from republicans within this state. there was quite a battle between moderate republicans, mccain republicans, who really make up the fabric of traditionally, traditionally made up a fabric of republicans

in this state, a long history dating from john mccain all the way to barry goldwater. and they are reacting. one person who i want to quote, baird morrison, who worked for blake masters during the primary, says that he hopes that keri lake will, quote, graciously concede. and he says that the lesson of this election tells us one thing. this election tells us one thing. following trump over the cliff will not win elections. and then, i was just talking about that battle between the mccain republicans and the trump republicans. fierce battle we've seen over a couple of different cycles. one of their publicans in the state said that kari lake told a legion of john mccain supporters across arizona that they could go to bleep, tonight, they return at their favor. so, this sort of annexed, what we see is that republicans, those mccain republicans, they ended up fundraising for katie hobbs. we talked to a number of them.

many on camera who said that they simply could not stomach the trump republicans, that what they wanted was what mccain represented, decency, honesty, and conservative values, which they feel is the real fabric of arizona. and that they did not feel that a future with kari lake would deliver that. anderson? >> i want to check in with john king and the magic wall. john, what else can you tell us about these latest ballots from arizona. >> just that the math is getting near impossible for kari lake, despite a very improved performance in these last numbers of maricopa county. let's walk through. with anderson, here's where we are. here's the challenge for kavalec. we are running out of a every little vote, the pool of available votes for her to catch up has not shrunk, almost to the point where katie hobbs is leading. now, katie hobbs is now up 20,480 vote, that's 50%, 50.4 to 49.6. that is a very, very, very close race, right? but here's the challenge. we talked about this at the beginning of the hour, kari lake needs to get 50% or more of the new votes in maricopa

county. these are the new votes that came in the last hour, and yes, finally, she got more votes than katie hobbs in her vote installment. there were five previous vote installment that came in today from different locations in arizona. careless on the bottom of all, and that finally, she comes out on top, 40,575 to 30,000 a 2025 in this new installment in maricopa county. that is 57%. that is a big number. but not when you need 60% or more. that was the challenge. and that's why, as kyung lah is saying from her sources inside this wall room, they knew this was disappointed, disappointing. you look at that, 57% in the county, let me bring it up. maricopa county, where, you know, katie hobbs, forgive me, has led throughout the race. it's the blue county. so, if you see these numbers, kari lake should be encouraged, they've been accepted so late in the race. and the universe available for votes, it's so small. this was the biggest pool left of available votes. she needed 60% or more in these both. she got 57%. so, now, anderson, she is losing maricopa county. she is losing statewide, and

the challenges the, pressure on her tonight is to acknowledge them off and bow out gracefully. but we also know she surrounds herself at times with trump lawyers, trump acolytes, steve bannon and others. so, this is gonna be fascinating to watch. they can do the math if they want, they can check out the numbers of outstanding votes. but i could tell you, we don't have an exact number get, but that number of outstanding votes is not terribly much higher than 20,481 that katie hobbs lead with. so what we see so far, consistently over the last six days, can you expect carey lake to get 70 or 80%? or maybe more than that of the remaining vote? that's pretty unrealistic. >> john, standby with us. aly bone is with us. she is arizona assistant secretary of state. appreciate you joining us after tonight's drop, how many total votes are left in arizona. >> hi, good evening. so, it looks like we have about 60,000 ballots left statewide with 20,000 votes in maricopa and pima county. and then, banal county has a chunk left, and apache county,

coaches county, but for the most part, we're looking at very few ballots still outstanding. >> so, 60,000 you said? >> that's right. >> and do you believe the arizona governor's race will go to a recount? >> so, the recount statute right now says if the merchant is within 0.5%, right now, secretary hobbs is outside of that recount margin. so, as long as the vote totals continue to come in around but they have been, we are likely to see that. but if we see anything different change then it would be the recount margin. we are tracking a couple of races right now. state legislative races, as well as some other states races that are within the recount margin like the attorney generals raise, and the superintendent of public construction. >> kari lake, just tonight, has raised questions on fox about katie hobbs, secretary of state, overseeing the elections, essentially, counting all the votes. it's katie hobbs they are

counting all the votes? she the one determining the count? >> anderson, no. and in arizona, the elections are highly decentralized. and the counties are responsible for administering the elections and tabulating the votes. so, secretary hobbs has not been involved in that tabulation process. our office does not touch ballots at all. after the logic and accuracy testing, once early voting starts, our office is out of any administration. it's only the counties that do that work. so, there has been no reason on that the secretary would have to recuse herself for any reason at this point. there isn't necessary conflict of interest that has presented itself, that is causing us to have any concern about that. >> the washington post is reporting, kari lake set up a so-called war room to plan out her next move. the results of the election, if they don't go her way. if a candidate contest the results, can you walk us through the process by which arizona verifies its count? >> yeah, so, it will start with the counties, we'll do a certification or a canvas of the election.

they have 20 days after the election to perform that canvas. and then, those results will come to the state, and then, that is signed off on at the state canvas by the secretary, but it also has to be signed off by the governor, the attorney general, and the chief justice of the arizona supreme court. so, it is a process that, you know, gets reviewed by each county board of supervisors, as well as the top officers in the state. >> also, john king, i know he has a question for you. john? >> yeah, madam secretary, i just want to follow up on the point anderson made. i suspect this is about to come up in the days ahead. kari lake was on fox earlier, saying that she didn't want -- that katie hobbs is going to certify her own election. so, i just wanted, in very plain language, the county's report the votes. is there any certification in your office, it's so, will she have anything to do with it? or does it go to the governor? >> so, this is defecation's, all 15 counties will report their results to that state, to the secretary of state's office. and the secretary of state compiled all of those results,

the secretary's office will compile those results, and put together the statewide canvas. the secretary does sign off on that, but it's also gonna be signed off by governor doocy, attorney general mark brnovich, and the arizona chief justice of the supreme court. so, it's not like secretary hobbs is doing that on her own. this is how it operates every four years and every state across the country where secretary of state is on the ballot. and they are certifying either their election win or their election laws. this is nothing new. and, you know, again, the administration and the election itself occurs at the county level. >> so, if you can, help me with a conversation, because you could make an argument in today's politics, given all the, i get it, no facts behind them. questions raised about election integrity, wouldn't it be best for katie hobbs to just recuse herself, to say because of those questions, i am not gonna be in the room? my good deputy is gonna sign these for me. that is one argument. the other argument is, no, they're wrong.

they've been lying for years. i'm gonna do my job and sign it. which one? >> well, again, if there is no reason that there is any kind of conflict, or we are not in recount territory, it really doesn't make any sense for the secretary to not perform what is a ministerial act in signing the canvas. so, our position has been that unless there is a conflict related to the governor's race, then it doesn't, there is no reason for the secretary to recuse herself. and you all know, you've seen here in the last five days, i've been talking to you. we have not had the secretary talking about anything related to the processing of this election. and, again, the counties are handling the administration of the election at the local level. >> highly bones, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you very much. we're gonna continue to follow the count in the governor's race throughout the hour. also, tonight, how the former president shaped the midterms. harry enten is gonna break us break it down for us. we have new audio from the day of the robb elementary shooting. and the question it raises about the role of the acting police chief in uvalde, texas.

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♪ ♪ ♪ >> cnn cannot project the winner in the arizona governor's race is democrat katie hobbs, defeating republican kari lake. i want to go right to our panel. we've got scott jennings and -- sorry, your reaction to this? >> this is a great example of areas where abortion inadvertently came into play in september. a federal judge sort of resurrected a ban from the 18 60s that would have banned abortions across the board. and hobbs really jumped on it. and even talked about in personal terms her own miscarriage, and the reason why i bring this up is she took a lot of criticism over being black luster, for not kind of punching back against kari lake,

and for not speaking about the economy. but she did focus a lot on this election denial democracy. and did talk about abortion in ways that may have connected with voters, and i think it's sort of fits into some of the storyline we've been hearing in the last few days. >> i want to play some things that carry lake has been saying throughout the campaign. can i get your reaction? >> it is not impossible to protect our kids at school. they act like it is. nancy pelosi, well, she's got protection when she is in the superior house. she doesn't have a lot of protection. >> thank god your ratings are in the toilet that's exactly where they deserve to be. start being journalists. stop spreading the garbage. >> i'm gonna be your worst [bleep] nightmare. and these -- don't want us talking about stolen elections. well, it doesn't matter, we had november 3rd 2020, that was called incompetency 101.

>> they got to fix this problem, this is incompetency, not just absolutely absurd. are you guys buying that? are you really buying that? this is a jussie smollett part two. i'm assuming it's in a basement somewhere. because that's where she's been campaigning. i want to win the election and i will accept that result. because the people of arizona will never support and vote for a coward like katie hobbs. >> i mean david, of all the trumpian or trump acolytes she was the apex predator of all of them. what do you, i mean her loss, what is the impact of that? what does that say about trumpism? >> i think it says a lot. you know, steve bannon was camping out in arizona, and holding out as an exemplar of trumpism. and, you know, she really is a more, sort of, polished performer. uttering, speaking from the same script. and she thought that would get her to where she wanted to go. it was enough to win a primary. but she has alienated the middle in that state.

and they walked away from her. and i think that it is, as much, as i said earlier, she is the most flamboyant example of the election deniers. of the trump acolytes. they have been beaten all over the country. and tonight this is, this is the exclamation point of it. and, you know, i think there is a lot of interest in this race because she said so, and has been so flamboyant. but there's no glossy lens that can change the numbers that the voters of the arizona have rendered in this race. >> scott, what affected this governor's race. and others like it in gop primaries going forward? >> i think the republicans need to ask themselves, what is the purpose of a political party. because like the campaign, kari lake had an event. and she asked, is there anyone here that is a john mccain republican? and people raise their hands. and has the story goes, she told them to get out of her a vent. and i've never seen a group of people that think the purpose of a party is to make it smaller.

and then act surprised when they don't win an election. arizona has heavy independent voters. they often vote republican in the past, their current governor, greg doocy for example. so when you try to make yourself smaller, make yourself feel better. but not think about the implications of that. that's a problem. but there's a number of candidates around the country who think it's bad to shrink the republican party. they only went to get more people in the tenth. you need bush, mccain, romney, trump, mcconnell. you need all the kinds of flavors of republicans together. because when you start to eject people, it makes it really hard to win. in states that are purple.

like arizona, and others, pennsylvania, georgia, you name it. >> i want to go back to john king. how did hobbs win and kari lake, when she was out campaigning. was she out walking around with a constant incredible lighting and a microphone at her at all times trying to create trauma? how did she win? >> i think you're gas had made the point. i'll go through the numbers, both in arizona and make a national perspective. but this election, many of these candidates that voters view as a little too spicy, a little too out there. whether it is trumpism, or election denial. whether it's restrictions, or something else. a lot of voters just decided, we don't want that spicy. we will take normal, we will take maybe a little bit more

doll. katie hobbs by 40,000 -- but she will be the next governor of arizona. and significant, she will be a democratic governor of arizona. replacing yet another republican voter. she won by 20,000 votes, that's not a lot. that's twice of what joe biden won arizona of two years ago. it's a state transition. she's gonna win -- votes. senator mike kelly just won. let me flip that race, he just won by 126,000 votes. senator stamina is on the ballot for two years. we'll watch the struggle for arizona continue. as this plays out. but as of right now, the democrats have just won the

last presidential election. they won the governorship, took it away. that's a pick up this time. so democrats are helping in arizona. plus they want secretary of state, as huge race in arizona. so that's arizona. let's pull out nationally. i just wanna show you something. republican governor, who went up for reelection, replaced by democrat. where they nominated a trump backed candidate. massachusetts, a republican governor, replaced by democrat. replaced by a trump backed democrat. -- the state of arizona, replaced by democrat. in the state where they nominated a trump backed candidate. on top of that, democrats keep michigan. they win pennsylvania. they pick up arizona. the democrats had a good here when it comes to governors races. especially in the battleground states. especially against trump backed nominees heading into 2024. they also did a lot in these ballot states. including michigan. so when you look at a state level? democrats are quite happy. including tonight in arizona. >> fascinating. incredible race. john king, thanks so much. thanks to our panelists, thanks for being with us. and coming up next, trump backed during the midterms? and a look ahead to tomorrow when he's expected to announce a 2024 presidential run!

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kari lake, down in the feet. an arizona's governor rates a night. the former president could dominate headlines tomorrow. as he is expected to announce that he's running for president again. as republicans wait for that very big shoe to drop. some of the party is edging away from him. -- who raised a fist in solitary with a crowd in january six. here's what he said today. >> i think that this election was a funeral for the republican party as we know it. the republican party is, as we have noted, is dead.

and voters have made that clear. i think a lot of what president trump as did as president, we have a lot to talk about their. but we have a lot of questions whether core conviction as a party. and clearly, our party is going to have to be different. or we're not gonna be the majority party in this country. >> also today, charlie baker. the republican governor of massachusetts, told cnn that the former president, quote, hurt the party chances this year. the question is how much? and how long will they keep saying that. for now, we'll turn to their

cnn reporter, harry. so what do the midterms reveal about the former president? >> that is political brand is poison. if you look, his favorable rating in the exit poll is 40%. donald trump was not a popular figure in 2018, or 2020. but he was never this unpopular. and the people who have been view of him. overwhelmingly voted for democratic candidates. keep in mind, joe biden has in his 40s. but -- basically spit their tickets evenly between the democratic and republican parties. if you don't like the incumbent president! you should be voting against that party. but because trump was out there. these voters basically split their ticket! >> well, how do they? how did swing state candidate to attach themself close to trump in election denials. i have to make sense of.

this how they did? >> we decide the protection that kari lake lost. all the election lawyers that were running in this state lost in less than 5. 4 governor and secretary of state. we have projected that election denialism does not work with the electorate. and it didn't work tuesday. which is why republicans did what they did. -- >> so this is opened the door for ron desantis in a national level? >> i do believe it does. just in the state of florida, where those two candidates both desantis and trump are very well-known. if you ask republican voters whether or not these two guys should run, more republicans

say that ron desantis should one than donald trump. and reporters want to get to know ron desantis nationwide will be better. it will make for quite a -- >> so what do you think for republicans that got elected or reelected? >> talking about issues like crime, immigration, inflation, foreign policy. republicans were on all of that. it shows that the personality of trump combined with the abortion decision basically took away from what she had been a very strong mid term for republicans. if they want to before, they have to talk about the issues that are stronger for them.

not the 2020 election, and talking about donald trump. >> it's gonna be hard to do tomorrow at least. >> it's gonna be hard for tomorrow, but this is where we have primaries. it's gonna be very interesting to see what happens. republicans will have a real choice ahead of. them >> appreciate that, thank you. jim schultz, who showed as a lawyer. a senior political analyst and congressman powers. you worked at the white house, you supported the president for the last two years. is it time for the republican party to move on from him? >> i think it is clear that folks are going to have to learn their lesson with other candidates. i think it's time that we move on as a party. i think we saw right here in pennsylvania,, right he hand-kicked mehmet oz in pennsylvania. yet we mehmet oz got smoked by john fetterman. what a landslide election looks like. and his endorsed candidate, doug mastriano, lost by double digit points. you can't have those kinds of results and i think that those results lie right at the feet of donald trump. >> kirsten, i mean the former president continues to complain that the 2020 election was stolen from him. which it was not. we've now seen demonstrably that it's not a winning message with independent voters. do you think, i mean, i know he's not capable of actually changing that message. given what we saw now with kari lake in arizona, who was, you know, just the glossy a version of him with better makeup in lighting. is election denying, is any electioing that most voters a but you know, donald they just . i think that's aboubecause he has a history caand of course, he got them to heal. so he probably thinks that he's

going to be able to do that again. but, i think, what he may be missing. i also will just say i don't really know what's gonna happen. because i thin what's base voters.but, you, n lo and bring these people back abouand the republican p hi themand i think that that is wht put excep>> yeah ji diyou kn night. m sa donaand then h mob. and suddenly an>> because i think you're seeing the electorate start to shift. the electorate, his base, didn't shift after january six. part of them believed, but it didn't shift. and now, you're seeing the electorate start to shift. and you're gonna see guys like desantis, and pence, and others start making headway. start gaining some momentum. chris christie, getting some momentum here. and taking the spotlight away from trump. and you're gonna see the numbers, certainly coalesce behind pence. you've already seen it with the desantis. his numbers are tremendous in those early states. we saw polling come out today that had him in florida, compared to trump, where they were in august. >> i want to play you what former vice prince said to abc news about what happened -- >> will you run for president in 2024? >> we're giving out consideration in our house. careful consideration. >> do you believe that you can beat donald trump? >> well that would be for others to say. and it would be for us to decide whether or not we would want to test that. >> jim talked about nikki haley, he talked about desantis, and others. do you think mike pence could

actually reunites the republican party behind him? all of these are pretty regular candidate to play out a sense of decency, and a sense of where the guardrails may be? i don't know that they've ever been against somebody like the former president? who's clearly, not wanting to leave the ring. >> yeah, i mean we saw what happened last time. right? a lot of people came in, a lot of people who are pretty popular. before they got into the race. but, jabbers, and the marco rubio's. they came out bruised and battered. and really in a much worse place. the question is, does donald

trump still have that kind of power? people start to hear that from him? the other thing, is there is a ron desantis now. and there wasn't around the santas, i don't really see mike pence as they alternative. at least to these court trump voters, the maga voters. round desantis has more of the trump vibe. right? and that's what they're really looking for. they're looking at that more than they're looking at policies. they're looking for somebody who, if you really look at what they say. they say that donald trump fight for them. donald trump pushes back against the liberal establishment, and the elites, and that's what we want. we want somebody who is willing to get down and dirty. and that's the. and that is what ron desantis does. >> kirsten powers, jim schultz, pretheater. coming up, never before heard audio from the day of the mass shooting in texas. it may be frightening but it is stunning to hear. it presents a portrait of the, actions and lack of actions, that the acting police chief of uvalde. after he learned of the 9-1-1 called from a ten year old trapped in a classroom with the shooter! everything he does. it's a deodorant that really protects my skin. it's comfortable and lasts a long time. dove men. goes on dry. clean feel all day.

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share with you tonight. that shines a light on that activations and individuals in the mass shooting that killed 21 people in uvalde. what he did after hearing about a ten year old child trapped with the shooter calling 9-1-1. we pizza gather new footage,

police body camera video for a new context. we worry you, it is hard to watch. and maybe upsetting. which is why before we were on air, we invited parents who are an injured or killed that day in a conference call. parents were read a transcript, and briefed on the story. they were played with audios that said that there is only way that we are learning any information. it comes with officials that said they have not been able to access in any way. cnn correspondent sean has the full story. and again, we worry that wha t

you're gonna see here is difficult to watch. >> so how many are still alive now? >> new audio of a recorded conversation obtained by cnn, shows the active uvalde police chief words directly told that police where trapped are the gunman. and needed rescue. and still he failed to take direct action to save them. cnn has piece together multiple body cameras, and new security footage from inside the school hallway. along with is never before heard phone call. to show how a failure of leadership allowed 77 minutes to take by before police killed the gunman.

acting uvalde police chief mario, as one of the first police officers to enter robb elementary on may 24th. the chief of the uvalde police was on vacation. which left partners in charge of the city police. parkas arrived at 11 60 8 am, just three minutes after the gunman fired his first shots. his officers run in, ahead of him. and make an initial attempt to breach the classroom. they quickly retreat when shots are fired in their direction. cnn has chosen to mute the sound of those gunshots. minutes later, uvalde school district police officer ruiz, whose life is a teacher at robyn them entry. delivers critical information uppercuts. the shooter is located inside his wife's classroom. pargas who was suspended by the city of uvalde in july. was --

as they investigated his role as a commanding officer during the shooting. is walking in and out of the hallway, taking cover next to a wall. failing to organize our response. even when rubin rule ways barrels back into the hallway. telling his colleagues that his wife, eva, called him from inside the room. and says that she is dying. >> hey, hey, reuben, reuben. do >> she says she shot. >> it's pargas, the acting chief who comes and removes ruins from the hallway. as time goes by, the police on the same can be heard looking to pargas. asking him for directions. they want to know what the plan is. pargas tells them he is waiting

on the texas department of public safety. >> are we just waiting? what's going on? [inaudible] >> at 12:10 pm, nearly 30 minutes after police first arrived. ten year old chloe torres. a fourth grader trapped inside the room with the gunman, is on the phone with the 9-1-1 dispatcher. >> i'm in the classroom. [inaudible] 10 12. 1:12, 1:12. yes >> excuse me? >> where in room -- there's a lot of dead bodies. >> cnn obtained that call and publish it with approval of her

parents. when the dispatcher radios that two -- targets and others are on the scene are mediately and form. [inaudible] >> she is in the room. [inaudible] >> for the victims, child called 9-1-1. the room is full of victims. child 9-1-1 call. >> pargas, who didn't have a radio with him. takes one from a detective. and enters the hallway. he tells the men inside, eight >> a child just call. they said they have victims in their. >> but then pargas that back. two minutes later he walked out of the hallway and places a

phone call, directly to the oval the dispatcher. cnn has obtained this call. >> okay. [inaudible] what did they say? >> chloe is gonna be [inaudible] she is in room 1:12. [inaudible] >> so how many are still alive now? >> 8 to 9 are still alive. >> how many [inaudible] >> i can't tell you how many are actually are [inaudible] >> okay thanks. >> the recorded phone calls proves for the first time, that is senior officer at the scene was directly made aware of the horrors happening. inside of the classroom. pargas walks back into the

hallway. one more time. [inaudible] >> a few seconds later, the active police chief turns his back and walks out. in the doorway, pargas can be seen talking to the texas

ranger, christopher ryan. who as cnn has previously reported, is currently suspended and under investigation for failing to organize a response that day. but pargas doesn't appear to tell him about that 9-1-1 information that he received. cnn has learned from sources familiar with the investigation that a number of law enforcement officials on scene, including high ranking officers, with a texas department of public safety, say that they did not know about the 9-1-1 call. a few minutes later, at 12:20 pm, pargas can be seen walking away from the school. away from the hallway where dozens of officers from several law enforcement agencies remained. debating, at times confused and seemingly uncertain about what to do. they wouldn't breach the classroom for another 30 minutes.

cnn analysis of a new, never before made public angle of the hallway security camera. shows that pargas never set foot back inside of this hallway. in interviews with investigators obtained by cnn, pargas say that he didn't believe that he was in charge. and that his hospital -- officers from the uvalde state police were only there to assist the school police. until the texas department of public safety took over. the texas department of public safety which plays several of its officers on the scene under further investigation, labeled it volatile school police chief pete arredondo, as they on-site director. he was fired in on this, and maintains that he wasn't in charge either. cnn reached pargas by phone, he said, to defend himself. afrain interviews with rangers, he was aske had no ide>> but pargahe kne called and said tha victims. nn could've don abou>> she mode joins us now. shthis is such incredible work you've done. you spoke with the families about what you found. i can't imagine what they and their feelings are. >> i mean, you know, it's just anderson. in all honesty it's just disappointment, after disappointment for them. because they feel, again, they're not getting this full account of what is happening. and certainly they are v tha this information to thembut reac and there's on the phone. really telling roat's also happening is t tops- members. and next hich, you>> the facu one in should be giving t it ois incrbut, the fact that these fa >> he's sthe's on administrativ. e is on suspended administrative leave since july. he still being paid. officials in here in uvalde, they want him gone. they want to be fired. that process will take some time. certainly, there are individuals inside the city who want him fired. he's also an elected official as a city commissioner. he was elected just last week, back to that position. we'll see what happens with that. but certainly the family members after having this

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>> tonight the city of charlottesville, virginia is grieving for lives soul and by violence. an individual this evening

honored three students shot and killed while returning to school yesterday. they played for the football team. they were boarding a bus pulling into campus last night, and they said a former member of the football team opened fire. the reason why is unknown tonight. that attack led to an intensive manhunt for the gunman.

the suspect was captured late this morning, we'll take a moment to remember those killed. devin chandler was a wide receiver for the virginia cavaliers, he was a junior transferred in the off-season from the university of this concern. -- was one of the top wide receivers for the team this season. for a video last year davis at that outside of class he like to watch 90s movies and read shakespeare plays in the bible. sean perry came from miami, he was a linebacker and an attorney for his family said

that the charlottesville communities were thanks for their support. and what they call a tragic time. a professor for the school said the students had classes this year. they tweeted that devin chandler was an unbelievably nice person, always a huge smile really gregarious and funny, one of those people that was just impossible not to like. so sad he said and enraging that he is gone. and labelle davis he, writes that my experience apathy was talk to hang out with other athletes. but -- was thought to hang out with his friends and other athletes. he was also with the top names in professional sports. nba star, lebron james, -- and what he called want young kids. an nfl quarterback patrick mahomes offered praise for the team. espn reporter andrea reports that in her last interview, she said, that with -- he can do. whether it's a small p dire a that's con cnn tonight rig br