defeating republican kari lake,

one of the most prominent defenders of trump's lies about the 2020 election. , katie hobbs will be the next governor of arizona. what is the very latest? >> the first time a democrat has won the state of arizona. we are seeing a political shift in the state. and what we are hearing from here tonight, now that these projections are out. >> because it is independents. and modern republicans who have soundly rejected her. i want to show you this coat from one of those republicans. john graham who is a republican. who fund-raise for katie hobbs, a lifelong republican. who said, he simply couldn't

stomach her indecency. tell cnn, quote, civility has won here in arizona. and across the country. i also heard from a number of other republican strategists. these are people who actually worked on campaigns. who's strategize, who communicate. for republicans in the state. and one told me, on background. because he is actively working on campaigns here in arizona, he said quote, kari lake told a legion of john mccain supporters across arizona that they could go to. tonight. they return the favor. and what he's talking about, there laura is a moment when kari lake at cpac said that her primary victory told, and she expresses the entire crowd, she said that her campaign drove a stake in the heart of the

mccain machine. this was the mccain machine striking back. laura? >> as you said, returning the favor. here to discuss it, cnn gloria borger, cnn political commentator charlie dent, and allison. first, of all when we think about where we are right now, and we are monday after the midterm election, we are still waiting to see who finally will actually be the majority of the party of the house. and now we know in mccain country, we know who the next governor will be. just think about this, today liz cheney tweeting out, you are welcome. kari lake. this is a lot of energy.

what's your reaction? >> my reaction is that somebody who like to call her opponents cheaters and crooks who told john mccain supporters to the eve and walk out the door after john mccain's more than three decades of devotion to a public service who campaigned as a donald trump mini me was sent walking. because that was not wet arizona moderates, arizona independents, or arizona republicans wanted. and i think she made a really bad, bad bet in the state of arizona. and republicans will be looking at this in the state, as kyung was just saying, what did we do wrong? how did we nominate this person? and how do we fix the republican party? >> the course correction issued, i want to point, out as you point, out the idea here we are talking about election denialism on the one hand, but also the overall alignment with trump, doesn't claude chanting, in some respects, the idea that you are against john mccain.

we will remember what happened at the funeral of the late senator. the conversations, the way there was this acrimonious nature of the relationship as well, and the backlash has been swift but having said that, it's not as if katie hobbs had a runaway election. >> carrie was still very much >> carrie was still very much in the game as far as the in the game as far as the nail-biting hours here. >> -- what we've seen with kari lake, you can't practice the politics of exclusion, division, and substructure telling john mccain supporters to go to, calling people rhinos who don't agree with you.

well you know what? maybe they won't support you. i don't know how people think they are going to win elections by appealing to the most narrow toxic ones of their base. -- i understood math, i had to win 90% of the republicans. over half the independents, and nearly 30% of the democrats to win. you don't win by saying these idiotic things that she was saying. i mean, it's as if they want to lose. and they have their own version of kari lake in pennsylvania, he's called doug mastriano. >> he lost. >> big! he just turned off independents, republicans, and certainly democrats. but these people don't understand that they need -- they want to win conference, they want to ex communicate everybody who doesn't seem to agree with them. >> ashley, on this point, part of the concern is why what they think it would work? that's one of the crux of the issue, right? >> to gloria's point, she tried to beat trump two point oh.

kari lake is probably one of the most well-known gubernatorial candidates across the country right now. but she lost and i bet you katie hobbs is not. she stayed in arizona, she's focused on her race, she wouldn't take debate in debate, whether you agree with it or not, she was not going to feed the base like so many did with donald trump. and i think that that played out. she became a national star, but a loser at the end of the day. and it didn't work. and i think the reason why it's so close is we can't forget she was a tv personality in the state of arizona. so if you weren't paying close attention to the, race un, and you saw familiar name, and voted for. heard under minding the fact that there still a lot of people it in our country who are election deniers. but it didn't work, she tried to do it for -- she tried to beat donald trump two point oh and i think this country is over. it >> it speaks a lot of that idea. when we're gonna be back, we're gonna have more breaking news out of arizona as. well cnn projects republican david schleicher it has been reelected in his district. the district that joe biden

narrowly carried in 2020. he was first elected as the tea party wave it back in 2010. but wait, there's. more we also have a projection right now, we have the republican businessmen branded williams have been won an open seat in new york. by the way, biden won that district by seven points as. well we have a lot to unpack. here's the ground everyone right, now we've got more to come, more breaking news. but i want to continue to talk to you guys about this because here's a thing, as we're talking about all these races, and we're trying to unpack and see what it means for the long run, election denialism was on the ballot. it really was. the idea of the president of the united states talking about a democracy even on the world stage, having a little bit of a spring in his step and how we are viewed internationally on these issues. but i want to repeat, these are not races that were decided on election night.

for many of these races, the ones we're talking about oftentimes, some of them were -- but why is it that the were this close? >> it's a divided country, period. it's divided, it was, close the democrats had the dobbs decision, we they had that going for them. i think the question we ought to be asking, is this issue said was a very republican issue set. when you talk about immigration, when you talk about crime, when you talk about inflation, why didn't republicans win by larger margins? you had an unpopular president. all of that put together, people were saying before the election, even some polls show, this is going to be a perfect storm for republicans. it was going to be this big red wave. why did that not happen? i think one of the reasons, as

the candidates mattered. in this election. i mean, mitch mcconnell is now famous for saying candidate quality matters. weather did matter, people paid attention to their candidates. >> but he'll be attacked undoubtedly. we already know that -- mitch mcconnell will be viewed as one of the people to -- who you're gonna pick your fingers. that senator josh hawley also had something to say about. this is your, smiling you wonder what he had to say that these. issues here's his comment about the republican out of missouri. >> i think this election was the funeral for the republican party as we. note the republican party as we have known it is dead. and voters have made that. clear we have to think about the future. here a lot of flights repelled -- with there's a lot to talk about. there but we have to have a conversation about her

convictions as a party. and clearly, this part is gonna have to be different. we're not going to be a majority party in this country. >> and you think about what that means for republican party is dead. if election deniers lose -- is that the context that we're supposed to view this? and because i thought that wasn't where i thought they were. >> if the party said, it's because our guys like him who are fist bumping when six rioters. i think that's a big problem. the party needs to get back to a center-right movement. in needs to moderate on some issues like abortion, can we say that? i was telling that for years. taking these positions, these absolutist positions that are alienating large swaths of the country. as well as large swaths of the

republican party. so maybe the party is dead, but not for the reasons he thinks. again, he is frankly part of the problem. this very rigid, intolerant, wing of the party. we have to become much more socially sensible and tolerant. if we hope to grow, free market oriented, reasonable orientation, constructive on the international stage. not this nativism, this ugly populism, does isolation, this protectionism. that's a losing agenda. >> go -- ahead >> i also want to say though, there is a whole part of the electorate that has been engaged in a way that we haven't seen before. young people are voting at historical numbers. my generation millennials are

voting at higher numbers. people of color are voting at greater numbers. so i think it's a good thing for our democracy. but the reality is that it seems like one party is speaking to them more than another party. i also think what happened this cycle is that we kept getting polls that said folks thought the country was going in the wrong direction. but i think we were talking about two different directions. some people over read that as the country is going in the wrong direction economically. i always rated that people -- i'm so sick of the last two years of hate and insurrection, and polarization, and you don't even want to have a conversation with somebody for being afraid that you're gonna get in an argument with them. people are tired of that. school board meetings, people being violent because they want to ban books. i think that that was the piece

that folks -- that we are taking some of the bag and going a bit too far. and that was the wrong answer. >> we are going to be watching the republican party and politicians like josh hawley reinvent themselves. and it's going to be a process that -- it's going to be very interesting to watch. because these are people who, some after january six were very critical of donald trump, then they went back in the fall because they thud donald trump was very powerful and they can live without him. now they're trying to find out if they can even love with him. anyway shippable form. and they are going to be reinventing themselves and it's going to be very obvious -- >> the fact of the republican part d -- with the american people remember the last iteration? that is part of. it in order to reinvent oneself, one has to count on a kind of electoral amnesia. and i'm not convinced that it's even there at this point. but i would like to [inaudible] before we go to break, here we have these two new projections coming just moments ago. in arizona, republican david schwedt card has been reelected in a district that joe biden nearly carried in 2020. he is the first elected mid to power party way back in 2010. we have another projection from cnn were businessman brendan williams has won an open seat in central new york by seven. we will be right back.

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defying the odds to hold on to the senate. the votes are still being counted, and the gop will win a slim majority in the house. if projections hold. this will mean for president biden, as he navigates the next two years of his presidency. and what is next for the gop, what can only be described as a poor showing. black with me now, gloria, alex allison, and charlie dent. we can all confirm that the red wave did not materialize. the red whipple, it did not truly materialize. from all work accounts, from senator cruz, to josh hawley, and beyond. a lot went very wrong for the republicans here. but i want to just be clear how election denial is really played in. and look at this graphic care, about the election denials and how they fared in this election. let's paint a picture of what is going on. all across the board, secretary of state, secretary and governor. you can add kari lake as well to the senate. the blame game is now here. but that graphic really shows

you where things are. the question really is, why? and who was listening the most? was it the democratic voters who are coming back, all of a sudden younger people. is that the independent voters who came in? who were the really big players here? what do you guys think? >> independent voters! >> independents. >> and i have a graphic for it. because, i knew you would say it. i knew you all would say. look at this here, about the independents in the margins. by which they were able to be successful. you can see the television people, look at that. this is the margin o f independent voters according to the margin polls. that's a very strong showing and how to make the party tense a little bit bigger. now i set you up, let you knock it down. go ahead and speak. >> it is in the independents.

in 2010, and 2014 when republicans had wait in the elections, they won the independents from very significant margins. and this time it appears that they lost, those are the big numbers. but they lost by a few points. and in a year like this, they should have been winning the independents by a significant margin. they didn't. and at the end of the day, this is an election where a lot of voters run on the boat and said one party is too far left, and one is too far out. and one a little bit more left, than far out. and that's what happened. especially with the independents, they couldn't stomach some of these candidates who are just so far out of the mainstream. >> so independents are the new moderates? is that what you're saying? >> well, they may be moderate. yeah. i mean this time, they were, but i think that, look, independent voters took a look at the people that they were presented with. and they thought, you know what? i cannot do that. and what we saw this time, which was different. was tickets plating. people were differentiating and saying, you know what?

i may like draw pirro, for example. but, you know, i did not like oz. or, look at new hampshire. new hampshire was a big one. so i think that, voters were saying to themselves. look. i'm just gonna's boat for these candidates. and i'm gonna split my ticket when i need to do that. and we don't not see that a lot. because some of these candidates did not, going back to mitch mcconnell, did not have the qualities that they thought they should. >> actually, you talk to us in the past as well about georgia. for example. what happened in the new election coming out in december. because, i don't mean, look at the stretch. the numbers of people who turned out and voted for kemp compared to walker. clearly, there was not a pr alignment to interest there. now with him being on the ballot come december, that ticket ballot splitting that you speak. of becomes -- the favorite child here in terms of the attention about it. because of arizona. but it really does highlight the independent notion. >> yeah, i mean, i will agree

that independents well are important. but i will go back. the young people did this something this is cycle, and that was turned out. both of those, you just get over the finish line. and i think if young people do not show up in some of these races, maybe it doesn't pan out to be especially like in nevada, where cortez masto puts it out. so i do think that it isn't and in the business of coalition building. so i think about it in terms of how you build a puzzle. in terms of georgia, though it might not be the thing that is going to decide the senate. but if you're thinking of the long game, you're going to put a lot of investment into the dams in georgia. because you don't want to forget about it in 2024. it is really hard to totally deeply to our infrastructure, and i think you can start from scratch and build it back up. you have to turn out independents, you have to turn out young people. black voters for sure. latino, and aapi. that is exactly what sealed the deal in 2020. but i do think that camp not being at the top of the ticket

does hurt her khoshal walker for sure. >> but if your herschel walker now, who do embrace? kemp? or trump? you know, he should be embracing camp. >> and temple embrace him. >> yeah, but he needs to be aligned. is trump gonna actually show up in georgia again? cause problems? but that's, but this, trump and camp are like oil and water. but i would choose the winner, camp, and not the loser, trump. >> he may not have a choice. no one's going to stop donald trump. if he wants to go to georgia. can i just get back to ticket splitting? the best example is -- in new hampshire. who won by what? lots. and maggie hassan won for the senate against on bolden. and, i think there were a lot of holes that showed it was going to be really close. because new news at the top of the ticket. and he was gonna bring people along. but that didn't happen. >> but we've been hearing a lot about divisive projects. and a divisive country. but take it sledding, and the idea. maybe the idea that people are

not going to always have the assumption come true. that, here is who i am. here's how i will always vote. that might be a good thing for democracy. >> totally. >> but we will soon see. and did you know that it was only actually two black american governor speaking about the different demographic groups that are coming out, turning out for elections. only the two african american governors in the united states history, as with marianne's governor elect. who is about to be the third. his name is westmore, and he is up next. also, later, michelle obama speaking out about how deeply hurt she felt when donald trump won the presidential election in 2016. this from her new book, the light we carry! >> it shook me profoundly to hear the man who replaced my

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it's been a whirlwind. >> we're feeling so good. the people have given us a very good mandate. we ended up winning with the largest margins in maryland governor history in the past four years. and that was because we won democrats we. one independents. we won a good chunk of republicans! and so, there is a mandate and there is a unified vision that i think folks in maryland have. we're ready to be bold, we're ready to go fast. but we're ready to get it done together. and that's what's different. >> your predecessor, larry hogan, was speaking about that victory. the amount of chest the margin. and maryland state, they have had republican governors, democratic governors as well. listen to what he said. >> they should have been, a huge red wave. it should've been one of the biggest red wave that we have ever had. because president biden's approval rating was so low, one

of the lowest historically, more than 70% of the people thought the country was going in the wrong direction. and yet, we still did not perform and i think that common sense conservatives that focused on talking about issues that people cared about. like the economy, crime, education. they did win. but people who tried to re-litigate the 2020 election and focus on conspiracy theories. and talked about things that the voters did not care about, they were almost universally rejected. and i think it's basically the third election in the row where donald trump has cost us the race. and it is three strikes, you are out. jay leno is in the hospital tonight.

being treated for serious burns to his face and his hands. the comedian, who is an avid card corrector was in his garage when he was injured in a gasoline accident. i want to bring in cnn media analyst sarah fischer, and director of the john hopkins burn center. doctor -- this is horrible news to hear what is going on. and about him being injured. what are you hearing tonight? >> i'm hearing that he is okay. he said that in a statement to a variety he is up on his feet in 1 to 2 weeks. that is a good sign. but these are serious injuries to his face, into his hands. he was it's own garage working on cars. but jay leno loves his cars, he's on a show with cnbc where you talked about it with celebrities. >> with only a week on your feet. i mean, byrnes can be excruciating. but can be very serious. we don't know how extensive it might be, but we do know that

he is staying overnight in the hospital. is there anything that you can tell us about the way these things are usually treated? any indication that it's serious? or is it routine stay overnight? >> all not always come into say overnight. it depends on how deep the injury is. we just have to hope for him that this is superficial. and he'll heal quickly. when they are superficial they can deal with it with a few weeks to perhaps a little to no scarring.

but it is difficult to have -- >> as the leading incendiary notion here, that can be a very serious and deep wound. could it not? >> it really could. we take care of lots of patients just like that at hopkins and sometimes you have to replace tissue, sometimes you can lose portions of the face. >> that skin grafting as well that can come into that? >> it can be skimmed drafting. but sometimes you lose so much of the face but you have to do things more creative and to replace the tissue itself. >> do we know if that is a very expensive injury and anyway? are his eyes, for example, okay? >> we don't have any information right now into which place of his face or his hand. but if he's able to apply a statement. he's in pretty good shape. i don't expect him to be in the hospital for a long time. he's in the grossman center that works a lot like fisher here in california. >> when you think about the idea when he's in hand for recovery, he could be on his feet. but how common or injuries like this? he is, as you notice. he has a extension of car collection. he is an aficionado at least. but the way -- a gasoline fire. how common is something like this to happen? >> they are remarkably common, actually. we have about 1000 a year in maryland. for the state that -- and i found myself working on

patients like this every day. >> what's comment? the idea of people having the injury to the face, or the hands, or the body? or having attic at gas stations? where is this happening normally? >> some of the more common things can be working on cars. but also just setting leaves on fire. we see that pretty often. and sadly, circumstances at home with working with stoves and the like, you can have explosions. it's remarkably common. >> it's really unfortunate. we are hearing though from the variety statement that he made, that he might be okay. we'll look for more. thank you for both of you to join us this evening. shocking to think of how common this really is.

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jay leno is in the hospital tonight. being treated for serious burns to his face and his hands. the comedian, who is an avid card corrector was in his garage when he was injured in a gasoline accident. i want to bring in cnn media analyst sarah fischer, and director of the john hopkins burn center. doctor -- this is horrible news to hear what is going on. and about him being injured. what are you hearing tonight? >> i'm hearing that he is okay. he said that in a statement to a variety he is up on his feet in 1 to 2 weeks. that is a good sign. but these are serious injuries to his face, into his hands. he was it's own garage working on cars. but jay leno loves his cars, he's on a show with cnbc where you talked about it with celebrities. >> with only a week on your feet. i mean, byrnes can be excruciating.

but can be very serious. we don't know how extensive it might be, but we do know that he is staying overnight in the hospital. is there anything that you can tell us about the way these things are usually treated? any indication that it's serious? or is it routine stay overnight? >> all not always come into say overnight. it depends on how deep the injury is. we just have to hope for him that this is superficial. and he'll heal quickly. when they are superficial they can deal with it with a few weeks to perhaps a little to no scarring. but it is difficult to have -- >> as the leading incendiary notion here, that can be a very serious and deep wound. could it not? >> it really could. we take care of lots of patients just like that at hopkins and sometimes you have to replace tissue, sometimes you can lose portions of the face. >> that skin grafting as well that can come into that? >> it can be skimmed drafting. but sometimes you lose so much of the face but you have to do things more creative and to replace the tissue itself. >> do we know if that is a very

expensive injury and anyway? are his eyes, for example, okay? >> we don't have any information right now into which place of his face or his hand. but if he's able to apply a statement. he's in pretty good shape. i don't expect him to be in the hospital for a long time. he's in the grossman center that works a lot like fisher here in california. >> when you think about the idea when he's in hand for recovery, he could be on his feet. but how common or injuries like this? he is, as you notice. he has a extension of car collection. he is an aficionado at least. but the way -- a gasoline fire. how common is something like this to happen? >> they are remarkably common, actually. we have about 1000 a year in maryland. for the state that -- and i found myself working on patients like this every day. >> what's comment? the idea of people having the

injury to the face, or the hands, or the body? or having attic at gas stations? where is this happening normally? >> some of the more common things can be working on cars. but also just setting leaves on fire. we see that pretty often. and sadly, circumstances at home with working with stoves and the like, you can have explosions. it's remarkably common. >> it's really unfortunate. we are hearing though from the variety statement that he made, that he might be okay. we'll look for more. thank you for both of you to join us this evening. shocking to think of how common this really is. also shocking, how common even gun violence can be in this country. and tonight, three people are dead. three students, three young man, yet another shooting on a college campus. the suspect? also a student at the university and he is now in custody. so just what happened at the university of virginia? next!

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charlottesville is in mourning tonight. people are gathering on the university of virginia's campus after the shooting there claimed the lives of three students, and wounded two others. the victims, lavel davis jr, devin chandler, dsean perry. they were all current members of the universities football team. and they were on a bus, returning from a class trip to right here in washington d. c.. when the attack took place. just look at these three young man. this is devastating to think about, and this one on the screen is the suspect. christopher darnell jones jr. who is then in police custody tonight. he is a current student, and x uga football player. he now faces three charges of second degree murder, and three

counts of using a handgun in the commission of a felony. joining me now is cnn -- chief -- john miller. john, just looking at the picture of those three young men who have been killed. it's just so unbelievably tragic and sad. it just really is to think about. and as a mother, to think when you send your kids to school there going on a bus to a field trip. to see a play here i n washington d. c.! and the next phone call the parents receive is that their children have been killed by another student? john, tell me, when you heard about this. and you've been following this

case all along. what has surprised you about this? tell me your insight. >> well, i think, you know. when i was with the fbi. the virginia tech shooting happened. that was 33 people killed. numerous others shot, and injured. that was 2007. and, you know, mary ellen o'toole. one of our top fbi profiler's and the secret service got together and they looked at school shootings and what they came up with was an 85, to 95% of these cases. laura. there is what they call leakage. the person is giving hence, is telling others that something is about to happen. so one of the first things that we look for in a case like this is that. and it was very interesting in the police press conference that they actually came forward. without being asked. to volunteer that this person had been under threat assessment radar at the school prior to the shooting. so there's gonna be a lot of questions to go back over how that was done.

and what was done. and what the limits are. >> and thinking about that, just what would that entail? if somebody had been, there's obviously the evolution of how these cases are handled. how precedence might be weighed and considered on various school campuses. what with that look like? >> really interesting question. laura. because what that would look like is an amalgam of chief longley, who is the head of that infrastructure. get timothy longo sr. is the chief of police at the university. ed murkowski, who runs the threat assessment team. but there is a medical component, and the dean of students component. and they assess the cases. here is the problems here about the threat assessment business and the limits of it. which is, he allegedly told the student that he had a gun. that student pass it on to the school.

the school pass it on to the threat assessment team. the threat assessment team went back to the person who reported, and said that he had a gun but he didn't say he was gonna do anything to it. so there was no threat attached to it, they interviewed his roommate who said that, who had been in the same room with him at the school. he never shot a gun, he hasn't shown me again, or brandish a gun. and presumably, and we don't know this laura, and we will. you wouldn't close a case like that out in a proper way without interviewing the subject. mr. jones. about, they do have a gun? did you make the statement? so, we still have to go back through that. but this point is. there is not much you can do on that. which is, it doesn't come attached to a threat. even if you look at the buffalo shooting in the supermarket. by a racist white supremacist, barely more than a teenager, he made threatening statements and he was put into the 72 hours observation.

given a prescription, and sent home. because he said, well, i wasn't gonna do anything. i made it up. which turned out, obviously, not to be true. this is a difficult field. >> i mean, just as you describe it. thinking about the hook. right? what needs to happen in order to move it along. we hear so often about mass shootings, talking about school shootings, talking about what where the red flags? what where the science? what could've been done differently to prevent? but it goes back to, loss and prosecution. what would you need to do something more? which is not a satisfying in any touch of the imagination tonight. for any of these families who are grieving an entire campus as well. you are right to point out the initial transparency that came from this press conference. i do wonder, john, if it will continue. thank you so much for joining us this evening. >> thanks laura. >> again, just thinking about those three young men. it's just heartbreaking. well, not good for the party. says one republican. still? as another. not entitled to it, says one more. and those are just some of the comments from republicans on capitol hill. about attending trump 2024 announcement. stay with us!

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