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obviously having some transmission issues on that. but they hadn't yet started speaking. very crucial to see whether obviously poland is going to invoke article 4 of consult with nato or article 5, which would require all of nato to respond. that would possibly be the polish request on the back of this missile hit. the context here in the u.s. is what you're looking at on your screen, mar-a-lago, the former president trump is slated in the next hour or so to give an address, which he had expected to be a major victory speech announcing his reelection campaign. but it is, of course, anything but that. but we do understand that he still plans to go ahead with that announcement that he will be running for president, again in 2024. we're monitoring both those stories. as soon as that round table begins you'll see it here on cnn from bali. in the meantime, thank you so much for joining us. don't forget you can watch the show any time on cnn go. and let's hand it off now to "ac 360."
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good evening. about an hour from now, the former president is expected to take center stage in mar-a-lago and do what no former president has even tried since herbert hoover in 1940 and none has succeeded at since grover cleveland in 1892. he'll announce he is running for another nonconsecutive term. we begin with everything we are learning the deadly explosion on the polish side of the border with ukraine that polish officials say was caused by some kind of missile. the explosion, which is all the white house is calling it so far without saying what caused it, killed two people. because poland is a nato member, the incident has set off high level calls and consultations across the alliance. president biden tonight is holding an emergency round table with world leaders at the g20 summit in bali, cnn. as only cnn can, we have correspondents across the map on this story. matthew chance in the border town that was hit in poland. phil mattingly is with the president in bali. sam kiley is in ukraine. clarissa ward is in london. i want to start with matthew chance. what do we know about this explosion? and what is the reaction in
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poland? >> the reaction in poland, first of all, has been quite severe. the polish authorities have announced they put the military on a higher state of alert. the polish government says that it's considering invoking article 4 of the nato treaty to call for consultations with the allies. and indeed, there is a nato meeting going to be held, an emergency meeting in the hours ahead tomorrow morning local time to discuss what the reaction should be. to this explosion, to this missile strike, whatever you want to call it here in this border town, border village really between poland and ukraine. and, of course, we know that there has been fatalities. the first realtime the war has in this way spilled over in this fatal way from ukraine into poland. and that's really sent shockwaves through the local community, through the country as well. i spoke to a lot of residents.
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there are a couple of residents here. it's a very small close-knit community. people are terrified. they described the explosion, how it shook their windows, and they heard sort of the whoosh of the missiles kind of sweep across the sky. and there are teams on the ground right now trying to work out, trying to piece together what kind of missile, what kind of explosion this was, who could have been responsible. and with that evidence, to gauge what the polish response should be, and that of its allies. >> matthew chance, appreciate it. thank you. shortly before we learned about this emergency round table tonight at the g20 summit, the white house put out this photo of president biden speaking with poland's president. jake sullivan across from him on the sofa. antony blinken taking notes. what do we know about this emergency meeting? >> anderson, this is a gathering of world leaders. they're all here for the g20
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summit in bali. and what we know right now is president biden earlier this morning called this meeting, this emergency meeting. it's leaders that represent g7 countries plus nato countries, the european council and european union, all gathering behind closed doors on an emergency basis. and that is a continuation of now hours of president biden and his national security team. you saw two of them, the secretary of state and national security adviser there sitting with him in that white house photo. they have been working through the information that they've been getting. now they have not confirmed the origin of the strike or of the explosion in poland. they have not confirmed exactly what happened yet. but over the course of the last several hours, there has been a methodical process in place, according to officials between national security adviser jake sullivan, who was first briefed about the information very early in the morning time here in bali. then proceeded to call his counterpart in poland. then briefed the president directly, who shortly thereafter got on the phone with polish president andrzej duda. over the course of several hours
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they have committed to u.s. investigatory power on the ground in poland. they have committed to the nato alliance which is iron-clad and continued to process that underscores the severity of this moment, the very high stakes of this moment, but also caution not to draw too many conclusions before they know the final answers. >> phil mattingly in bali. sam kiley, the explosion in poland as russia launched its biggest wave of missile attacks in ukraine in more than a month. what's the latest on the ground there? >> well, according to president zelenskyy, some ten million ukrainians were left without power or very restricted power as a relative humidity of this latest round of bombardments conducted by cruise missiles. some of them launched from aircraft according to the ukrainians against locations everywhere from lviv to kharkiv, kyiv, where two people were killed, all the way down south to mykolaiv. wave on wave of these assaults
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targeting in particular the electrical infrastructure, attempting to break the civilian back of ukraine just as ukraine has enjoyed a degree of military success, driving russians out of that critical regional capital of kherson which controlled the access to fresh water for the crimea, which was illegally annexed by the russians back in 2014-2015. but anderson, it was inevitable i think according to president zelenskyy that this would happen. he said it was part of -- he accused the russians once again of using terror tactics. he alleged that the russians had fired two missiles into polish territories, and warned that the baltic states, as he has done in the past, could be in danger of suffering similar levels of what he says were attacks. he is not leaving any room at all for the russians to allow for an accident. but the russians themselves have said it wasn't us. it wasn't us at all. denied having any kind of bombardments in the air at all.
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of course, that is untrue. anderson? >> sam, appreciate it, thanks. sam kiley. some perspective joining us from london chief international correspondent clarissa ward. also with us retired army general wesley clark. general clark, polish government reports a team of experts are, quote, clarifying the situation. what specifically are they looking for? >> they're going to look for parts of the missile. there will be fragments on the ground and pieces. they're going to look at the electronic evidence that's available both from poland and the united states. they're going to look at the radio intercepts that they may have of people controlling this. there will be a scouring of all kinds of national intelligence assets to put all this together. hopefully, they'll be able to get the trajectory of the missile and maybe even know the unit that fired it, and maybe even know whether it was the intended target. but right now, all that remains to be determined. >> and clarissa, i know you've
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been monitoring nato allies. they've been reacting to this. what have they been saying? >> well, unsurprisingly, anderson, i think you're seeing a huge amount of consternation. a lot of expressions of solidarity. this is a moment that nato member states had been anticipating, sadly, but also dreading. and when you look at the language that we're seeing from these nato states, it's very clear that they want to get this right. they want to handle this in a very calm way, sticking to the fax, not drawing any hasty conclusions. even the president of poland himself saying they believe it was russian-made missile, but they don't know much more than that yet. they have these u.s. investigators arriving on the scene. who will be helping try to gather together a better picture of exactly what happened. you have also nato ambassadors who will be having an emergency meeting tomorrow morning. and there is an understanding that they need to kind of meet this moment. because whether, frankly, it was
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a russian missile or whether it was perhaps sommer rant ukrainian air defense, we don't know exactly. but the point is still the same, that the spilling over of this conflict in a deadly way has happened across the border of a nato country, and nato has to determine how it will respond accordingly. >> and general clark, obviously there are u.s. troops in bases in poland. poland is considering asking its partners for discussions under article 4. can you just talk about given your experience with nato what that means from a military perspective, the distinction between article 4 and article 5? >> well, article 4 simply calls for consultations. so any nato member nation can call for consultations. and this is an assurance to member nato nations that they won't be shut out in a crisis. that if there is something else, other nato nations will listen to them and evaluate their position. and it will be discussed.
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article 5 is the commitment that an attack on one nation of nato is viewed as an attack on all. it's not a commitment to respond by force. it says they'll respond appropriately. it doesn't mean you're going war, but if it's an attack, then it falls under article 5, and nato will have to determine what is the appropriate response. >> clarissa, what are the next steps in terms of western governments going forward? >> well, i think in no small part, anderson, that's going to really depend on what the facts bear out. there are a number of different options they can pursue. the polish have already talked about putting their military on high alert. there is the possibility of sending even more u.s. troops or nato troops to poland. you have heard the baltic states particularly who feel incredibly vulnerable to the threat from russia expressing real concern
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if this was indeed a russian missile, particularly if it was an intentional russian attack on polish territory, that they would be feeling more vulnerable. and so it is definitely a moment where nato nations need to gather together and sit and look at the facts and come up with some kind of a game plan, some kind of a response. they want to do that at the same time, anderson, as trying desperately to not escalate the situation even further. nobody wants to see this turn in to a world war iii moment. and that's why i think you're seeing such cautious language from the vast majority of nato member states, even though they recognize very seriously what an important and frankly grim moment this is. but they don't want to kind of fan the flames of hysteria. they want to keep also their citizens calm.
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>> general clark, if it does turn out to be russian missile, whether it was intentional or accidental, is there any world in which russia would simply say we're sorry this was a mistake? or would they continue -- would they deny any involvement? >> well, likely it was a mistake? then you have to ask was it a mistake. whether it was a mistake, what this did do is activate nato through article 4 and possibly through the article 5 process. and one of russia's objectives in this whole war has been to split nato, to put nato under stress, to find the gaps between one nation's interest and its security and another nation's fear of the consequences of conflict. and so this is one more effort to stress the alliance. whether it's deliberate or accidental, it is. the question is then what should be done. and that's really what has to be
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in the minds of the policy makers at this point, as they're waiting for the evidence to come in. >> general clark, collar race wrist is a ward, appreciate it. we'll continue to follow throughout the night over the next two hours. next, the former president getting ready we're told to start his third presidential campaign. we're joined by lawmaker jamie raskin who helped him earn the title first president to be impeached. also, we're getting closer to learning who will control the house next year. [ coughing/sneezing ] [ door knocking ] dude, you coming? because the only thing dripping should be your style! plop plop fizz fizz, with alka-seltzer plus cold & flu relief. also try for fizzy fast cough relief!
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in less than an hour from now, former president of the united states will encourage thousand of people, some of whom he knew to be armed before the january 6th committee will is expected to announce another run at the white house. it is a pretty unique situation in american history. only one president has served two nonconsecutive terms in
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office. donald j. trump wants to be the second. he'll be speaking from mar-a-lago in about 45 minutes. cnn's kristen holmes is there for us. do we know how long he is expected to talk for before actually announcing his plans? >> so, anderson, i just want to make it clear that when it comes to donald trump, there is always the expectation versus the reality, and we won't know the reality until he actually takes the stage. but we're told this is going to be a shorter speech. it's going to be around 30 minutes. not these meandering two-hour plus type of rallies that we have seen him doing over the past several months as he has gone out on the midterm campaign trail. it is important to note that several of his aides and advisers that we talked to really did not want him to launch this presidential bid now. they said he didn't have the momentum coming off of lackluster midterm results, and they were hoping he would wait until after georgia, saying he would be blamed if herschel walker lost, and even announcing would likely give a fundraising
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boost to raphael warnock. but we're told by aides that he is all in. that he made this decision, and that he was never going to go back. i do want to note, just to give you an idea of who is here in the crowd, we've seen madison cawthorn as well as roger stone just walked in. it is a real who's who of 2016 here. that is exactly what we're told that donald trump wants. he likes the idea of a 2016 campaign. he wants it to be lean were a smaller amount of people. but also, he likes the idea of being the underdog that is what he is looking at when he sees the establishment republicans essentially turning their back on him, saying that ron desantis is the new leader of the party. but anderson, many allies i have talked to from across the country say they just don't know that trump has that same magnetism that he had back in 2015, 2016 that led him to the white house. particularly as he has been facing all of these legal problems, all of these federal investigations, and the fact
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that he is fixated on this election denialism, as we saw last tuesday, something as a platform really fizzled out. anderson? >> kristin holmes, appreciate it. we'll check with you shortly. joining us someone who shares a long recent history jamie raskin, member of the select committee now investigating him. he was also the lead house manager in the former president's second impeachment. congressman raskin, we appreciate you being with us. given the poor performance of election deniers and insurrection deniers, does it make political sense to you that the chief election liar is announcing now? >> well, it makes political sense in the sense that he has exercised almost total control over the republican party up until now. in a constitutional sense, in an ethical sense, it's an absolute scandal and an outrage. and i think to the american people made themselves pretty clear in bucking all of the historic trends and denying the gop what they thought was going to be an additional 40 or 50
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house seats here. so it may be that the spells have begun to dissolve and the reign of witches may be about to pass, as thomas jefferson put in history. he does exercise this quote, control over people within the republican party. i'm afraid that our counterparts across the aisle have made their bed, and they're going to have to lie in it for a pretty long time now. >> reporter: you've been uniquely positioned over the past several years as someone who understands the legal and constitutional issues swirling around the former president. if he is making this in part believing that this will somehow protect him from investigations or indictments, is that accurate do you think? >> no, it's absolutely wrong. in fact, the people who made that point most emphatically were his defenders in the senate
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during the second impeachment trial who said that the proper way to deal with a former president who has engaged in criminality is to prosecute him rather than impeach anymore he has already left office. of course, that contradicted more than two centuries of understanding that a public official does not have to still be in office in order to be impeached, tried and convicted. but any event, everybody agreed that he could be tried. i mean, under our constitution, we don't have an office of former president of the united states. a former president of the united states is just a citizen, and the highest office in our land is that of citizen, not president and not former president. so you don't have a right to commit murder as a president or embezzlement or bribery or seditious conspiracy or attacks on federal proceedings or what have you. he can still be tried. i think the department of justice has been clear about that. all that matters is the facts of
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the case and the law. there is a slight exception to that that they don't bring cases against candidates several weeks or maybe a month before an election. but other than that, you know, running for office is not something that will immunize you against prosecution. >> do you believe that your colleagues on this other aisle in the house, in the senate, you know, there has been a number who have come out in the last several days, and certainly a lot of former trump acolytes have come out in the election results and distanced themselves from the former president. we've seen this before. lindsey graham on january 6th that evening distancing himself saying he was done with donald trump and then got shouted at in an airport the following day and quickly scurried down to mar-a-lago. do you believe what we are hearing from many former acolytes of the president the last couple of days is lasting? or do you think that they just can't quit him.
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>> well, time will tell. i wish the straw that has broken the camel's back had been the violent insurrection to overthrow the 2020 election and the constitutional order. i wish that coup and electoral sabotage and constant criminality and corruption and lying were what drove them over the edge. but it seems that their patience has been exhausted by his endorsement of terrible candidates like herschel walker. so it's a purely political calculus. so i think the subtext of your question kind of answers itself, which is if they're just making a political calculus at this point, what happens when donald trump comes roaring back with the support of his cult-like authoritarian supporters? if they're not willing to draw the line on ethical and moral and political principles, it seems as if there is an expedient decision at this moment, and it could evaporate overnight. and certainly donald trump is counting on that, because he has been able to reel these people
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back in. he said terrible things about a lot of them. he said that ted cruz's father had assassinated jfk. he was mocking the wives of a number of his republican opponents back in 2016. he and lindsey graham have been around the track many times, and he figures it's just another day and he'll be able to reel all of them back in. we'll see. >> congressman -- >> i hope for the sake of the republic that saner voices will prevail in the republican party. but we've seen how they've worked to expel people from the party, like liz cheney and adam kensinger and to ostracize them for standing up against donald trump. one way that they can begin to show they're serious is to reincorporate and to embrace those people who were willing to tell the truth about donald trump back at the time of the insurrection and coup, if not before that. >> congressman jamie raskin, i appreciate your time.
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thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> we'll have more on the former president's expected announcement later. next, we want to update you on the latest vote count for control of the house, and we'll look at republicans' underwhelming performance has produced potentials on cams not only for the former president, but for the leaders of the house and senate as well. ♪are you ready♪ ♪are you ready♪ with a multi-flex midgate for extra storage. and an available 400 miles of range on a full charge. evs for everyone, everywhere. chevrolet i love all types of dancing... salsa, and even belly dancing! i am a triathlete. i've always been into health, and wellness, and fitness... i tried everything with diet and exercise, and nothing worked. there was just kinda this stubborn area on my stomach. but coolsculpting worked for me! coolsculpting targets, freezes and eliminates treated fat for good. no needles, no incisions.
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kevin mccarthy won the support of his conference to be leader again today. mccarthy still faces a rocky road to possibly becoming house speaker similar as how mitch mcconnell will face a challenger to his role as senate majority leader. first, we want to check in on where the vote stands in the house. john, what's the latest? >> the republicans are very, very close to taking the majority in the house. right now they have 216 seats we've called for them. the democrats are at 205. we've actually called a couple of races in the last few hours, anderson. the democrats picked up new mexico's second congressional district. actually flipping this. yvette harrell was the republican incumbent. she has lost to gab brael vazquez. but out in california is where the action is. a little while ago we called this race right here. this is california's let me get all the way in there. california's 45th congressional district, michelle steele. the republican incumbent has
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defeated jay chen. she was able to defeat her challenger. and as i said, that gives the republicans at this point 216 seats, which is just two seats away from what they need to control their 14 uncalled races left. of those at this point, democrats lead in nine be. thaw need -- they would need to win 13 to maintain control. republicans lead in five. they only need two of the five here. so they only need to win two of these five races in red, anderson, at this point, to take control of the house. >> any other remaining races you're watching closely? >> if you look at california, it's really interesting. of these five races right now, there are two districts which actually have republican-leaning representation. this is an r-plus 1.7 district. and you can see kevin kylie is about 10,000 votes ahead of the challenger. this is a rural district inland in california. his lead has been expanding over the last several hours. and down here as well,
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california's 41st congressional district, incumbent ken calvert. he has been in congress for 30 years. he had the support of donald trump. he is leading by about 5,000 votes. this too is a republican plus one district. if the republicans just won these two, they would have control of the house of representatives, and anderson, that doesn't include colorado. lauren boebert's seat out here, she is ahead by 1100 votes. 99%. and just overseas an absentee ballot left there. if they win that, they would give them more of a cushion. right now on track probably around somewhere 220, 221 seats maybe for the republicans. 214 for the democrats. a very, very slim majority for the republicans. >> all right, john berman, appreciate it. thank you. now to the republican leadership battles under way on capitol hill. joined by manu raju. undeniable trouble with the republican leadership. >> senate republicans in particular. mitch mcconnell for the first
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time in his 15 years atop the republican conference on the senate side facing a challenge from within. this after rick scott announced that he does plan to defeat mitch mcconnell at tomorrow's leadership election. everybody in the republican conference agrees that scott's chances are virtually nil in defeating mcconnell. but it shows some serious dissension and dissatisfaction after tuesday's election results. for more than three hours behind closed doors, senate republicans engaged in a tense back and forth about everything that went wrong. some like mike braun blaming what they call the status quo and are calling for some changes. others like josh hawley calling for a delay in the elections, suggesting that they should wait until after the georgia runoff next month. and some like susan collins of maine criticizing the senate campaign committee, questioning its spending, the committee that rick scott runs. after the meeting, i had a chance to ask mcconnell directly about some of the criticism he has endured.
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he defended his handling of the elections and said instead some voices and some prominent people in their party essentially sowed chaos and concern and frightened away independent moderate voters in some key swing districts. and the house side, anderson, kevin mccarthy was not minated be the next speaker, but fell short of the 218 votes he will ultimately need in january in order to be elected speaker. he got 188 votes. meaning he needs to work his caucus, particularly his right flank in which he faced a challenge from conservative challenger andy biggs. work the right flank to get to the flesh hold, and he believes he believes he will get there but acknowledged he has work to do. >> what do you hear from republicans about expectations by the former president's announcement tonight? >> well, not much enthusiasm. we talked to dozens of republicans over the last couple of days, and very few are willing to embrace him. some -- a lot of them are saying they want a big field of
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candidates. hoping others will come in and defeat him. a lot getting behind the idea of florida governor ron desantis jumping in. and even some very close trump allies, simply not willing to go there. as one senate republican leader told me today, quote, the world has changed considerably in the last couple of weeks, meaning a lot of republicans blame trump specifically for what happened in the midterm elections in pushing candidates who were viewed as lackluster in the general election, and his presence late in the campaign trail is hurting their chances of taking back the senate. so not much enthusiasm, anderson, on capitol hill. >> manu raju, appreciate it. we're waiting for the announcement from mar-a-lago. woodward and bernstein are here for context on what could be a presidential night in history, next. y history. with ancestry i dug and dug until i found some information. i was able to find out more than just a name. and then you add it to the tree. i found ship manifests. birth certificate. wow. look at your dad.
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we are now about 20 minutes away from donald trump. he is expected to announce his run for the white house again as kristen holmes reported earlier. his decision, should he go through with it, has been met with resistance from the inner circle in his own party. josh hawley, the guy who raised his fist in solidarity with crowds outside the capitol on january 6th said the party has moved past the former president. let's turn to two legends, woodward and bernstein. releasing "the trump tapes." after 20 interviews with the president, he's determined trump
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is dangerous threat to democracy. and carl bernstein is author of "chasing history." you're going to interview the president extensively. you've written multiple books about him. did you think a 2024 presidential run was actually going to happen? >> well, we're going to see. and see what happens. karl and i were talking earlier. and on this network months ago, maybe years ago, karl said in name 21 republican senators who held donald trump in disdain. and then the number went up to 40. i mean, how many republican senators are there now who wonder this trump candidacy that trump presidency is not only a danger for republicans, it's a
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real for the country. >> carl, i was speaking to manu r raju. he said senators want a big field of candidates. if there is a big field of republican candidates running in primaries, doesn't that benefit the former president? >> you would think so. and that was one of the things that helped him win the nomination the last time out and helped make him president. i think, though, we really got to look at these people on capitol hill who are running for exits on trump. these interest same people who enabled him for six years in the presidency and after he was president to tell the lies that he did, enabled his criminality, his sedition, his criminal acts. they acquitted him in a senate trial twice. so we got to -- you know, it's a good time for reporters to start looking not only at donald trump's behavior, but the republicans on capitol hill and their behavior. because it is some story.
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they enabled him. >> bob, do you really believe there are a lot of republicans on capitol hill running for the exits? they may be kind of heading towards the exits, but they can turn around pretty quickly. they've shown that in the past. >> this is the worst aspect of about american politics. and that is in private they say one thing, and then publicly they say another or they are silent. i think overall we've got to remember trump is running for president again. we have a perfect laboratory of trump in office when he was president for four years. and for nine of those last months, i was able to do these interviews and tape them so you can hear his voice saying all kinds of things that are just -- depart from reality. the management of foreign
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affairs traumatized his national security team. on the virus, not only did he conceal and deny the failure to tell what he knew early on is really criminal. 1.1 million people in this country died because of the virus and trump just by telling the truth to the public could have set us on a different course. >> carl, if voters in arizona didn't want to deal with kari lake as a governor for four years, and in pennsylvania didn't want to deal with doug mastriano as governor, why would they want to deal with trump? why would the country want to deal with trump? if voters are rejecting in midterms the drama and the backward-looking election deniers, isn't trump the chief
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leader of that? >> yes, he is. but i think you also got to look at the numbers. 49%, 50, against 50% in a number of these elections, including in arizona. pennsylvania very close. look, donald trump has found -- listen to bob's interviews with donald trump, and you hear how trump has found the weak spots in american democracy, and he has exploited those weak spots criminally and in such a way that his movement has endorsed, has enabled, has gone along with a kind of authoritarianism demagoguery never seen in a major political party in our history. and especially no president of the united states guilty of sedition of the kind of criminality that this president was or the kinds of whole idea of a coup, not leaving office. trump refusing to leave office.
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trying to get the vice president of the united states to certify a crooked election. this is unheard of. we need in this country, in this campaign to look at every aspect of trump's record, including his business records, which bob has raised this point many times. we need the information which is there. >> bob woodward, carl bernstein, i appreciate it. thank you. as we look at mar-a-lago in preparation for the former president's announcement, ron desantis clearly feeling confident after his big election victory, pushing back on the former president. we'll tell you what he said, next. hould be your style! plop plop fizz fizz with alka-seltzer plus. also try for fast sinus and pain relief!
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the room where the former president is expected to make his announcement is crowded. people are ready. many people didn't believe trump would run for office the first time. now many are in disbelief he may be announcing a third presidential bid in just about ten minutes as we wait to see what he says. let's turn no to cnn political analyst maggie haberman, dana bash, kaitlan collins, and alyssa farah griffin. former trump white house director of communications and a cnn political commentator.
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so maggie, is this happening? >> yes. he has filed the paperwork. he is now officially a candidate. so the fec has a 2024 trump campaign document. there has been a staggering number, anderson, of people saying to me over the last two days is he really going to do this, including in the last few hours. is this really going to happen? yes. he is going to be a candidate. he is going to make that clear in the next hour. 2024 is now upon us. >> and not for lack of trying by so many people around him. would you say pretty much everybody? >> literally everybody, and everybody in the outside extended orbit tried to get him to move this. >> yeah. this morning i told that somebody who speaks to him a lot called and said do you think that this is really a good idea? imagine it would be like announcing right after the hindenburg exploded and the response was i'm going to do it.
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and that was it. >> i think part of why he is going forward with it despite people saying he shouldn't is because he already teased it. he already said at the rally in ohio last week where he even came close to doing it then that he was going to be announcing it. so he would view it essentially as he's backing down. it's kind of like the sign of weakness if he didn't announce it tonight. i think a lot of people are wondering how pitches himself. is it still this grievance-filled speech you've seen from at rallies recently where it's not often about j.d. vance when he's in ohio, it's about trump. and is that the pitch he makes to voters tonight? >> do we know, is it an actual speech? >> my understanding is it is. and i'm told it's going to be very professional, buttoned up. i would guess it may start like that. but i can see it going very long off script and in fact full of grievance. and just to put a finer point on it this is the announcement absolutely no one in the republican party wants right
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now. no one is asking him to do this. this is donald trump going it alone -- >> that's not true. matt gaetz wants him to do it. >> that's true. >> and madison cawthorn. >> madison is there. just to even announce this early is kind of unprecedented. it doesn't make a ton of sense. it's not a show of strength. >> it's also -- i agree with alyssa in terms of the strength piece. we haven't mentioned investigations he's facing. this is about a bunch of things happening right now. part of what he's trying to do is stave off the justice department from a potential indictment. he is under two that we know of investigations with the justice department. he does believe this is going to provide him some armor. now, the justice department has made very clear that's not a decision that they are considering. but you can't divorce all of this from the politics and how trump will use it and weaponize these investigations into him. he also wants to blunt ron desantis. one of the only bright spots for republicans on the night of the midterms was ron desantis in florida doing very, very well.
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desantis made very clear today when he was asked about it that he knows that that's true and trump did not want to give him any steam. i was told by multiple advisers. heading out of that win. >> do we think this blunts ron desantis? >> no. i mean, it doesn't change how people feel right now about ron desantis. one of the other things that trump has been told by people who actually do care about him and are his allies, that if you are going to do this, which we don't want you to do, no grievances, like you said, kaitlan, no oh woe is me, 2020, everything is horrible and -- >> but that is what he does. >> that is what he does. which is why what he actually delivers in his speech is going to be fascinating to watch. will he stay policy-oriented? that is what those who are saying okay, fine, you're going to do this, at least do policy -- >> what policy does he have? >> i mean, look, he does have stuff that he got done in the
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white house. he absolutely has things he could point to if he wanted to talk about the dobbs decision that ended roe v. wade which was because of in part three supreme court justices he appointed. he could absolutely talk about that. he's just not comfortable talking about it. >> that's the last thing in fact he wants to talk about knowing donald trump. he does not want to talk about abortion. >> what he's been talking about behind the scenes in the last few days is kari lake's loss. that is something -- he's irritated about the entire midterms but kari lake's loss specifically given he loved how much she pushed the election lie and always said that other candidates like blake masters, the senate candidate there, should be like her. he's very aggrieved by that. so i will be surprised if he sticks with the non-grievance message tonight because he's been complaining about the election there, making false claims about it. one thing that i'm really interested by is that this is being held at mar-a-lago. it's not a rally where typically talking about being buttoned up and polished, typically at a rally that's when he feeds off of the supporters. we've seen where things have gone over the years, anderson. it's at mar-a-lago. it's the members of his club and his supporters and the madison
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cawthorns of the world that are going to be there. >> although when he announced at n. 2015 it was at his property as well. it was not a rally. >> the president is speaking is. let's listen. >> the latest events in europe. i have briefed them on my discussions with president duda of poland as well as nato secretary-general stoltenberg. and we agree to support poland's investigation into the explosion in rural poland near the ukrainian border. and i'm going to make sure we figure out exactly what happened. our empathy, sympathy goes out to apparently two people were killed. and then we're going to collectively determine our next step as we investigate and proceed. it was total unanimity among the folks at the table. we also discussed the latest series of russian missile attacks which are continuing to
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fall. against ukrainian cities and civilian infrastructures. and they've been totally unconscionable, what they're doing. totally unconscionable. and the moment when the world came together at the g20 to urge de-escalation, russia continues to escalate in ukraine. while we're meeting. i mean, there were scores and scores of attacks, missile attacks in western ukraine. we support ukraine fully in this moment. and we have since the start of this conflict, we'll continue to do whatever it takes to give them the capacity to defend themselves. >> mr. president, is it too early to say whether this missile was fired from russia? >> there is preliminary information that contests that. i don't want to say that till we completely investigate. but it is -- i -- it's unlikely
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in the minds of the trajectory that it was fired from russia. but we'll see. we'll see. >> mr. president, is poland suggesting invoking article 4 or 5 from nato, sir? >> we're going to probably have a meeting of the -- of the ambassadors. so that looks like what we're going to go to next. >> thank you, guys. >> president biden speaking in bali, indonesia. phil mattingly, who's standing by. phil, it's significant the president said it's unlikely it was fired from russia. that could mean fired by russians inside ukraine or some sort of ukrainian air defense system or something else. surprising that he said that, though. >> yeah. i'm actually quite surprised the president was that candid about what they're going through right
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now in terms of the process. and i think that also gives you a pretty good window into why they've been so cautious about making any declarations about what exactly transpired over the the course of the evening. and keep in mind the president and his team have been working on this since the early morning hours when they were first informed. the president spoke directly with the polish president. his team has been in direct contact with their polish counterparts over the course of the last several hours as well. then there was this emergency meeting. it was called by president biden. it was attended by leaders of the g7, nato allies that are here in bali for the g20 as well. but the president saying explicitly that he did not believe, or at least had not gotten the sense that it was fired from russia. again, there are other elements here where russian-allied forces, russian allies perhaps, obviously there are allies in the region, that may be responsible for that. but that was quite a candid admission given the fact u.s. officials have been so cautious up to this point. i think it really does help underscore why u.s. officials have not been willing to go as
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far as ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy, as others have, given their concern about the origins here. and i think to give some context, anderson, about why that's so important, this is a nato ally. this is a very, very different ball game. not minimizing at all the dozens of missiles that rained down on ukraine over the course of yesterday and last night. but if a nato ally is attacked by russia, that triggers article 5. that triggers collective defense. that is smyth president has said repeatedly including on the ground in warsaw, that not one inch of nato territory could be broached by russia without a -- the full strength of the response of nato allies. that is why they've been so cautious. that is why they've been so methodical. and the president, again, even with a surprisingly candid window into an investigation that is still ongoing, that is still in process, and that the u.s. is attempting to assist their polish counterparts with at this very moment, anderson. >> and president biden emphasizing the unity of nato backing poland, helping them in
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the investigation of exactly what went on. phil mattingly from bali, indonesia. appreciate it. back with our team here in new york as we await in just the next few minutes former president -- it is a remarkable just moment in american presidential history. this is a very rare thing, to have a former president announcing that he's going to run again for president. not consecutively. >> it has happened very rarely in u.s. history. there's been one successful person, grover cleveland, that donald trump wants to stand in that path as well and make it happen. and i think people who are writing his political obituary after the other day are really doing it prematurely, anderson. i think that all of this hope in the republican party around ron desantis in florida, there's no question he's a talented politician but it's someone whose win came against charlie crist, who's not exactly a formidable political actor. we don't know what he's going to be like on the national stage. there's a very long history of candidates getting a lot o