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laura coats and this is cnn tonight. on the night the gop wins control of the house, with a slim majority, and the political world reacting to the defeated twice impeached former president now third run for the white house. we talk to a onetime member of his inner circle because michael cohen is here. i want to know what he thinks about his former boss's candidacy with billionaire backers now turning on him. even if you saw a savage takedown from his favorite hometown tabloid. and you heard mike pence tonight, in our cnn town hall, saying that he was angry with that win and then president following the day's january six insurrection, which was deadly, when the rioters chanted, hang mike pence, and saying trump was part of the problem. we've got more on all of that tonight, plus, what would you do out there if your new boss

told you, look, either commit to hard-core work or get out? >> that's what billionaire new twitter owner elon musk is now telling his employees about this fork in the road email. and that's just the tip of the iceberg of chaos, frankly. i want to bring in donald trump's former attorney, michael cohen, he is the host of the mea culpa podcast, and author of revenge. how donald trump weaponized the u.s. department of justice against his critics. michael, good to see you tonight. actually, i've been wanting to hear your opinion and your reaction to the announcement. it's probably the worst kept secret in the political world, it was always the idea not if but when. well, when was last night. i want to know what you think about the fact that trump is running again for the presidency. >> so, truth be told, i didn't think that he was gonna be making the announcement. i was actually very sure that he was not, because it didn't

benefit him. the reason i say it doesn't benefit him, is because he had that super pac that it raised several hundreds of millions of dollars to which he was permitted to use 90% of it at his own discretion. well, that now stops. on top of that, statistically, he knows that he cannot win a general election. he may not be able to win the primary. which is why now i believe that he did choose to run because he started seeing all the great press that, for example, -- right there in florida and the fact that they're claiming that he is the future of the republican party. so, this angered donald because he's not the man in charge. >> you make a point about the press coverage, there is something different this time around. you're looking at the new york post used to have so many different covers of former president. now, the one that came in today

i call pretty savage, it was the idea of a headlined and then way down below in that blue page 26 is that? florida man. makes announcement. that's pretty telling about how they're trying to literally downplay and downgrade, but not just the press. it's also a lot of the billionaire backers who are pulling out their money. the idea that someone like schwarzman, the ceo of blackstone, who gave $35 million to the midterm elections. you've got griffin who is on the screen as well, 68.5 million a different point of time. these are all billion or gop donors that are now distancing themselves from him. i wonder what you make of that? will that impact the way in which he proceeds now? you know him. >> right, and it's not only them, it's also rupert murdoch the new york post fox news. it was on page 26, which i believe was right next to the

obituaries. they are all done. they're all done with him. they have, i believe, have had enough of the divisiveness enough of the chaos. i've met each and every one of these individuals on a personal basis, early on in the campaign. and they will all four things that donald trump was saying. things that he claimed that he would do. well, after four years of chaos and divisiveness, the january six attempted coup, you have the stolen documents at mar-a-lago, these people understand exactly who they're dealing with, and if you look at them as individuals. they are all titans of industry. they are titans of their businesses. they do not back losers. and i believe in their hearts, they understand that donald cannot win, he's not good for this country, and they're just not going to back him. financially or in any other way. >> well, i mean, the things you just listed now, those were a

lot of straws to break the proverbial camel's back, when there are different moments in time people could've seen a different fork in the road and got in a different direction. now i wonder why. also i wonder, watching his announcement last night, i remember in 2016, i remember different rallies he's had even since then, where there has been a different level of enthusiasm, charisma, bravado, displayed. there's a different tone. i wonder what you made of last night it seemed like a lot of responses have been subdued, there was a different vibe that was coming off the screen, the crowds seem to be dip similar to that. what did you make of the person you are seeing on the screen? >> first of all, the crowd was mar-a-lago crowd. these are the people that every day, when he walks into the dining room, get up and they start clapping. they were obviously very few people there. and they were making some

relatively decent noise. as far as, you know, as far as his general appearance. he looked like he had taken too much suited fed, he looked like he was fast asleep. he looked as bored with his own announcement as most of the people inside that room at the time. i don't know if you saw this, but somebody grabbed the video of it, some people trying to leave, but security wouldn't let them leave. >> i don't see that. >> this was not some rally that he remembered from 2015 or 2016. >> you know, i wonder if you remember this particular trump, interestingly tonight, you heard from former vice president mike pence and the word he used to describe donald trump's demeanor and his general being following january 6th, the word that the former vice president said was that he seemed sincerely remorseful. i want you to listen to this.

does this ring true, listen to this. >> what i walked in the room, president's chief of staff was present pretty quickly left. the president looked up at me and he asked if karen in charlotte were okay. i said, tertiary, they're fine, mister president. and he said, were you scared? and i said, no, i was angry. i was angry about the differences we had and i told him seeing those people ransacking the capitol infuriated me. but we sat for more than an hour and a half, and i was candid with the president about my disappointment. and i must tell you that i sensed the president was deeply remorseful in that moment.

and i know that it's at odds with peoples public perception about him, i want to tell you, it was true. i could tell he was saddened by what had happened. >> michael, is the remorse at odds with the public perception? is that the sincere emotion that you have seen from a former president? >> listen, you know, good for mike pence for trying to say the right thing, he tried to say the right thing throughout the entire segment. and you gotta give jake tapper a lot of credit in a pat on the back, the whole town hall was so boring. there's a famous quote says, mike poach likes to refer to got a lot. it's god's way of telling that you're wasting your time. poor jake tapper look like he needed to hold on to that chair so as not to fall asleep while standing up. mike pence's responses were all so mellow, they were so boring.

if, god forbid, he ends up on a stage or trying to argue with the likes of donald or ron desantis, i promise you, he's just going to, he's just going to fall to the wayside. -- >> on that point though, michael, that notion, the way you describe it, the deliberate nature of him speaking, the intention perhaps behind it, do you think that the former president now candidate donald trump, in any way fierce him as a possible contender? and if not, who do you think he fears most as somebody might go against? is it desantis? >> yeah, he never feared mike pence at all. it was one of the reasons that he chose him. because he's like, you know, a piece of toast. the problem with donald, and again, it's one of the reasons that he ended up running. there are several potential candidates. but the one that seems to be

getting the most attention, especially now from fox news, the new york post in the murdochs, is ron desantis. calling him the day future, they certainly had him on the front page, which is taking over where donald trump believes that he should potentially, or he should always be. again, i don't think anything that came out of this town hall did any favors for mike pence. and one thing i want to make clear to mike pence, donald does not have a remorseful bone in his body. he doesn't care about mike pence, he doesn't care about karen and he doesn't care about charlotte if you have nosed who she is. it's just who he is. donald only cares about himself. and at that point in time, he was ecstatic. he was elated about the fact that these people were attacking the capitol on his behalf wearing his maga clothing and carrying his flag. his paramilitary.

is all he care about. >> we will see if that translates to the electorate looking at his next candidacy, michael cohen, nice to talk to you. thank you so much. >> good to see you, laura. >> mike pence says that he was angry about january 6th, he says that then president decided to be a part of the problem. we're going to dig into what else mike pence may have revealed about that day, and how americans view -- view that next.

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former vice president, mike pence, at cnn's town hall tonight, asked by jake tapper how he felt as the attack on the capitol unfolded.

and rioters were chanting, hang mike pence. >> i do want to take you back to that day, take a look at the video over here. that of course was the news hanging out of the capitol that day, rioters were calling for your execution. chanting, hang mike pence. almost two years later, is it still tough to hear some of the video, of the hang mike pence, two years later, is it still tough to see that in here that? >> jake, it saddens me. but that day, it angered me. i must tell you, when the secret service took us down to the loading dock, accompanied by my wife and my daughter charlotte, our secret service detail, i was determined to stay at my post. i told the secret service, i was not leaving the capital. i didn't want to give those people the site of a six car

motorcade the set of speeding away from the capitol that. frankly, when i saw those images, and when i read a tweet from president trump issued, saying that i lacked courage in that moment. it angered me greatly. but to be honest with you, i didn't have time for it. the president had decided in that moment to be a part of the problem, i have decided, and was determined to be part of the solution. >> joining me now, cnn political commentator -- former top aide to the mitt romney presidential campaign. -- and white house reporter for the wall street journal, sabrina -- good so glad to see you back as well. you know, first of all, you heard him, he was angered. i've used more charisma just now relaying that to you than he did in that moment, but that's his personal style. what did you make of it. >> he is, he's a pretty careful and he was very -- how we talked about this.

i think that's one of the challenges that he's going to have right now. in really getting this message across to supporters, is that they want someone who is really authentic and they want someone who's going to be a fighter and he didn't really get a lot of that from this town hall. it was very nuanced, and he seemed to be negotiating every single word very carefully. >> to that translate, you think, to the electorate who are watching right now? people want to know what pence thought, he didn't have the january 6th testimony to tell us anything. >> you know, i think what was striking about that is that he directed his anger towards the rioters, but he was still very reluctant to truly take on former president trump. credit to jake, who really tried to press him and say, look, it wasn't just the events of january 6th, the former president spent months campaigning on this false notion that the election was stolen. lay the groundwork for the events that day. and mike pence still said, that the responsibility is with the rioters.

i think that that sort of this political calculation perhaps on his part, where he knows that former president trump is still very popular with the republican base, and so, he's kind of distancing himself from trump saying they're better options in 2024. but at the same time, trying not to alienate trump's supporters. i think what's really interesting about that, we already know with a die hard trump supporters think of pence, based on the events of january 6th. and the anti trump wing of the party probably reluctant to go with pence because they're wary of that administration. is there late in the middle? >> sounds like a political purgatory. >> -- he handed them a left raft in many respects, he felt remorseful, it wasn't at odds with the public persona. he was a friend, all of those things. >> yeah, serena's got it right. the pro trump folks will never forgive or forget what i thought was a moment a real courage, a day of real courage on january 6th 2021. the anti trump folks will never forget the 2001 days before that, the day before he joined

the ticket to january 5th, all the way through grabbed by the privates, or threatening zelenskyy or allegedly extorting zelenskyy four missiles for which trump got impeached or banning people from our country because of their religion. on and on and on. people like trump, although never forget that. pence is a good man, i knew him when he was on the hill. he's a good and decent person. but a whole lot of us think he spent four years of his life serving an indecent presidency. >> -- he tried to distinguish between the policies that people want to return to and the idea of the baggage, he didn't say the word, but the baggage that it brought. that's why the tension for many republicans right now. >> look, if you are going to run for the nomination, it obviously goes through trump. he has a very firm grip on the base of the party, he got to take donald trump on. and there was nothing inside this town hall or even in the mike pence personna that tells me that he's the right person to take on donald trump.

to paul's point, his entire political profile right now nationally, is defined by being the vice president to this guy. how is he really going to take him on, confront him, and lead the party in the country in a new direction, if you're so closely tethered to the four years that he spent in the presidency. >> is it going to be an anvil or will it be some sort of catapult or remains to be seen, everyone, stick around we're gonna come right back to you as well, because the republican party is officially taking control of the house today. so, what are they going to do with all the power? and what are they gonna do first? signs point to politically motivated investigations. plus, you've gotta see the late night email that elon musk sent out to twitter employees as thinking about the idea of extremely hard-core workload? just what is that? let's discuss. let's discuss. should be your style! plop plop fizz fizz, with alka-seseltzer plus cold & flu relief. also try for fizzy fast cough relief!

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well, cnn projects the gop taking control of the house tonight, president biden says that he is, quote, ready to work with house republicans to deliver results for working families. but what's the gop planning to do with their very slim majority? they're making investigations of the biden administration a top priority, everything from the withdrawal from afghanistan to the origins of the pandemic to investigations of hunter biden. but with that slim a jordi it's an open question, just how far republicans will actually get with any of this? paul, -- or back with us, serena, the idea of looking at this in the slim margin, these investigations, can they actually happen? to have enough to do it?

>> well, i think republicans are going to try and use even a narrow majority to investigate president biden, his administration, his family. and they've been pretty clear about that. there's been a lot of pressure on kevin mccarthy, or whoever it is it going to be speaker, to really go after the biden administration. the question is, whether or not that's going to play with the voters. following a midterm election where democrats held on to the senate, and where republicans underperformed even though they took back the house because they have this very, very narrow majority. i think part of the problem, according to republicans i've spoken to, is that the party didn't actually run any kind of policy agenda, it was purely an anti biden message that also didn't work at the polls. -- >> they had that >> they have the commitment to america, they're going to hold the administration accountable. but to your point, the other thing that came out of the exit polls from this election was the number one thing everyone was worried about, the economy and inflation. so, when you have oversight investigations focused on

things that are sort of outside the realm of those two issues, the economy and inflation, you do look like your little bit out of step. potentially with the american public that wants to see some solutions and i want to see some progress made on that. there is a great deal of risk involved if they go too far down on this. >> congressman jim jordan talked about this, and talked about the constitutional duty to do this. listen to this. >> we met with some folks who understand that we have a constitutional duty to do investigations and to do oversight, and we're gonna do that in a way that's consistent with the constitution. we're gonna do it aggressively. >> it's true there is some duty, but are these the type of investigations to do? >> you know, i've seen this movie. newt gingrich alternately won in a landslide, -- for president clinton. not two or three seat majority, what did he do? he went right to the politics of personal destruction. what did it do? it reelected bill clinton with a 33 state landslide, because clinton setup and said, i'm interested in legislation, there is a trusted

investigation. they want to look into my family's past, i want work for your family's future. and it crushed the gingrich revolution which was far more powerful than poor, pathetic kevin mccarthy who may have three or 45 seat majority. it's a total loser for them. as a partisan, i guess i want to. as someone who once -- >> a political majority, political mandate. two different things. >> what do you think, serena, you remember covering this with the original freedom tea party caucus. >> you know, i think kevin mccarthy, whoever speaker, has the cut work cut out for them. it's not just about the investigation and the pressured republican leadership will face, to go after the biden ministration. they'll be a number of issues where they really need to rely on democratic votes. think about raising the debt ceiling, spending bills to keep the government open and avert a shutdown. if there's any kind of emergency disaster relief, these are all the kind of things you can see in the freedom caucus is gonna be rallying against. it's gonna be a wild ride i think in the next few years. >> well, that negotiation might have to include who is the democratic leader and doing this as well. just a couple of minutes ago,

we heard from a spokesperson for speaker pelosi about her political future. let's put up that particular tweet, because i think she's making an announcement tomorrow saying, speakers have been overwhelmed from calls friends and supporters. she'll be monitoring her return in a few three remaining critical states. she's going to address the future plans tomorrow, everyone, so stay tuned. what you're gonna do? what do you think? >> i know what i'm gonna do. i am going to pray that nancy pelosi stays on as leader. she is the most effective speaker in all of american history. she passed massive legislation in the four or five seat majority. kevin mccarthy will be able to do anything. she's the most effective legislative leader in all of american history. >> i think she's gonna stay, but she'll set up a sort of succession would be -- someone in the wings. >> yes or no? >> i think she maybe passes the torch but keeps some kind of senior role where she still advises the caucus and is there is council. >> that's a yes or no or washington, see everyone. elon musk giving twitter

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well elon musk has laid down an ultimatum for twitter employees, they've got until 5 pm tomorrow to commit to what he calls,

extremely hard-core work. or get out. that according to a copy of a late night internal email sent by twitter's billionaire new owner and obtained by cnn. then the memo musk says, quote, if you are sure that you want to be part of the new twitter, please click yes on the link below. we're gonna talk about this, cara swisher, host of the on with kara and pivot podcasts. kara, i'm so glad you're here to see and talk about this, because you and i have had these conversations, you've made a number of predictions i can't imagine you're surprised by what were happening right now. just given the fact that he's made it just a few changes, for example, this banning of remote work. the idea of no more free meals, for example. now, this hard-core pledge, i want everyone to see on the screen, what do you make of it? >> well, it's not just that. he's also firing people who are critical of him in slacken on twitter. even the most mild of criticism like an emoji. there's been a couple of engineers who talked about this,

who just are making some points, he tweets things that are incorrect and they correct him and they get fired for it. you know, there's a sort of at those in silicon valley that's gone now, it's called hostile porn is what it is, people talk about how hard they work. and they have pictures of themselves in sleeping bags or under the desks, elon has talked about sleeping on the factory for a tesla. -- >> i want to see we are talking about, i hadn't heard the term hustle porn, but here you go. the idea of a sleeping bag, talking about working so hard. this came out on november 2nd and he took over october 27th. go ahead. >> that was esther crawford who worked -- that which has been delayed because it's been rolled out so badly, because if you do it too fast and not sleeping all night, you turn out bad products. it's an idea the after work 24/7. and it's much maligned now in silicon valley, the idea they have to do this. it is part of the tech bro

culture they're gonna work all night and then something's gonna happen and it's magical. it's kind of ridiculous. and the second part, it's demanding loyalty over quality. i don't understand we have to say a lot of these, they may have had too many people, there may be people that were coasting like every single business that exists on the planet, at the same time, demanding loyalty of people and saying, you've got to be hard-core, whatever that means. is kind of weird. you know, it's like a monarchy of some kind. i don't even understand it, i never click yes that's kind of ridiculous. >> i mean, that's the definition of clickbait in a very different way. you don't actually know here we are signing up for, what is hard-core this kind of nebulous topic mean. but this idea, the way you describe it, i remember it everyone knows the story of people who the infamous college dropouts or those who had a spark of an idea and they work and have all this time and they're working, working, working as a tech start-up start-up. but to apply that notion to a

mature company, i know that the platform itself is not profitable, we talked about the idea of what he has said in terms of the expense incurred here. but is the imposition of that earlier viewpoint of how to make a successful company, will it work on something that's already in existence? and working at this point? >> i don't think it works at all. i think there's ways to inspire people and one is my inspiration. you're making something cool and you want to work hard for, and you believe in it. and a lot of people at twitter who i've talked to really believe in it. the other is to mark them, that's another way to mark advertisers. is to make them feel bad and small in if you're not on board, they're gonna shove you off. it's a strange way to manage, it works, i suppose, with some people. i don't think insulting and demeaning people is the way to manage any modern workplace. but this is the way he's choosing to do it, and he thinks -- you know, casey newton, the platform had a really poor interesting. he thinks people are gonna shut it down behind his back, so you

got a bit of paranoia, you have a bit of i'm in charge here, i've had lots of people when they disagree with him, he said, we're gonna do it my way, i'm the law. which is a strange thing to say, it feels like your from some 70s stephen signal movie of some sort. and so, it's a strange way to manage. it might work, he might attract very loyal people who want to work for him. there's an expression, several of his minions say, which is ride or die. which is another hour of understand, we don't live in the old west anymore, i don't think. it's kind of strange. >> i'm not quite sure that's what ride or die means, i'm not gonna mock you on that. >> i don't know. anyway, i think i have an idea of what it means. it's just the ideas that there's some other culture, except a work culture, you want to inspire people to make great products. he's a very inspirational figure in many ways for the cars in the rockets, he has people who come in who believe

in him, i don't know why you wouldn't take advantage of that. and instead create this sort of different kind of culture. >> that might be the billion dollar question. kara, thank you so much. nice talking to you as always. next, we've got more questions than answers tonight after four students were found dead in off campus housing at the university of idaho. we'll go to the scene after this. this. the only thing between you and a life-changing accident. bubut are these lines enough? a subabaru with eyesight... (kid vo) hey dad! (vo) ...watchches the lines for any danger... and can automatically stop itself. (mom) is everyone ok? (kid) i'm ok. (vo) your family is safer in a three-row subaru ascent. love. it's what makes subaru, subaru. vicks vapostick. strong soothing... vapors. help comfort your loved ones. for chest, neck, and back. it goes on clear. mess. just soothing comfort.

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and cnn law enforcement analyst joins me now. veronica, thank you for being here, because this is a really, it's an awful story. but what is the latest information that authorities are providing about this case? >> laura, so devastating to this very tight-knit and small community. tonight, we know that those four students were murdered in the early morning hours last sunday, two of those students, ethan and -- we're at a party on campus, and the other two victims, -- were at a downtown bar. they all came home to that residents around 1:45 am before they were killed. and authorities have told us that six people live at that residence, and two of the roommates were also home at the time of the attack as you said. here's what the chief of police had to say. >> there was other people home at that time. but we're not just focusing on

them, we're focusing on everybody that may be coming and going from that residence. >> was there any explanation as to why it took so long then for someone to call 9-1-1? you have surviving witnesses to an incident at three or four in the morning and the 9-1-1 call didn't come into till noon? >> i don't say there are witnesses, i said they were there. we don't know why that call came in at noon and not in the middle of the night. we would've loved for that to have happened, yes. but that's not how it took place. >> laura, i am also told that those roommates are fully cooperating with this investigation. and while police are not calling them suspects, they are not ruling out anyone at this time. >> that's just the idea, -- the idea the information that we have here, there are still contradictions in the evolution of the case. you have information on day one versus day three or four and beyond.

but the idea that we're hearing that there were roommates who were present, he said they were not witnesses, but present, what does that do for your mind returning to the investigative muscle here? >> i'll be honest with you, it's bizarre. it doesn't make sense to me. that press conference left me with many more questions than they provided answers to. you see some of the evidence that we had or at least what the police have told us at this point, that the crime scene was brutal. which suggests to me, there was a personal relationship between the suspect and the c the decedents. the police also said there is no longer a threat to the community, which to me, suggests that the suspect is either or suspects are in custody. or dead themselves. but then again, we have like you said, contradictory

information from law enforcement. >> i want to play for you what the police chief had to say about the threat issue, i think it is interesting and revealing in some ways, i want you to unpack it. here's what the police chief had to say about that notion of an ongoing threat potentially. >> i just wanted to clarify something you said earlier over the past couple of days, the information that we've been getting is there is not a threat to public and earlier i heard you say we can't be sure that there is no threat. i just want to clarify what your stance is on that at this time? >> so, we did we still believe it's a targeted attack. but the reality is, there's still someone out there who committed for horrible, horrible crimes. so, i think we have to go back to a threat out there still, possibly. we don't know. >> michael, the idea out there possum threat out there possibly a targeted attack at first, an ongoing threat.

is this a little bit of trying to show ones hands too much? is this an idea of not wanting to compromise an investigation? a man being too generous here? >> i think you're being too generous. it sounds to me like -- like they originally had said that there was no threat to the community, and that now, there is a potential threat to the community because the suspect is still at large or suspects are still at large. >> veronica, you are there and i can't imagine, we have these questions right now. setting from where we are and you've been covering the story in such an important way. the victims relatives, they're calling out the lack of information coming from the cops, coming from the university. what are they saying about all of this? >> it's been very difficult for not just the people here in this community, but as you've said, the relatives of those families. one of the victims sister saying in a statement that no one is in custody and that

means no one is safe. yes, we are all heartbroken, yes we are all grasping. but more strong than any of these feelings is anger. we are angry, you should be angry. laura, today that chief of police did say that he should've been out in public from the public yesterday, possibly even earlier. we did speak to a public information officer tonight from the idaho -- police, he said this is a very small police department, around 30 people, and the chief of police himself was actually out there on the scene canvassing investigating this. so, there wasn't a lot of focus on the communication piece, but now, they're going to be focusing heavily on the communication piece and getting the community involved to help them. laura? >> such an important -- what a horrible tragedy. thank you for covering the story, it's important. you know, we're thinking about all this and unpacking it as well, i can't help but having you here, michael, you are the author of the book hold the line, the insurrection. and one cops battle for america

soul. and here tonight, we've heard from the former vice president of the united states who mike pence of course speaking about his experience, speaking about the town hall we had with jake tapper. that fateful day. you have very strong opinions about it, what is your reaction to what he had to say tonight? >> i think it's an important that despite the twist that mike pence is putting on his own actions or lack thereof, this is the vice president or former vice president of the united states who, while the president at the time was lying to the american public, about the results of a free, and fair election. he sat quietly by and did nothing. and said nothing publicly. and in the week or so prior to the january 6th insurrection, in which he claimed that the

election was -- and that joe biden was going to be the next president of the united states. he, rather than inform the american people that contradicting the president of the united states at the time, he did everything in his power to try to find a way to allow for donald trump to overturn the election results. on january 6th, he wasn't telling -- i'm sorry. -- >> it's a bushel to think about, we saw a woman in the audience that day, today, thanking him for what he had done. do you think he's deserving of that? i can see that -- >> mike pence is a coward. on january 6th, he was reaching out to legal scholars and former vice presidents trying to find any way that he could

possibly could to postpone the results or to somehow overturn the election results to favor donald trump. and when they gave him no way out, he finally found the courage to do his constitutional duty. and uphold the results of the free and fair election. and then in the immediate aftermath like maga republicans has come to the defense of donald trump even though he -- his family was placed in grave danger. >> today he did talk about the former -- he was remorseful. that was the he was very remorseful in that moment. did you buy that. >> i think he's lying. >> why would he lie? >> well, number one, he wants to be president. and i think that this is, you know, he doesn't want to anger

trump supporters, he wants to present himself as an alternative to donald trump whose reputation may have been so damaged by his participation in the january 6th insurrection that he could come along and pick up those voters and carry the mega torch on two 2024 and further. this is not a person who has the courage or moral and ethical fortitude to distance himself from a president who has caused so much harm to so many people in this country. >> we will see what others make of it, and what ultimately voters, if he chooses to run, will say about that. thank you for being a part of this today. as always, important here perspective in particular. thank you. and thank you all for watching. our coverage continues. our coverage continues. this...

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