have for him and his service in the marine corps. you call him your favorite wing man. and i am wondering what it meant to you -- >> my favorite guy. >> what did it mean to you as vice president, one heartbeat away from being commander-in-chief, to have a son in service at the time. >> thank you for mentioning our son, michael. let me also mention his incredible wife, sarah, who as a military spouse, also serves every day. my wife karen spent a considerable amount of time supporting and promoting the interest of military spouses around america. i think that karen called the hometown heroes, and our military spouses are, and we are grateful to each and every one of you every day. and i must tell you, having my son in the united states marine corps, and my son in law, as a lieutenant in the united states navy married to our daughter charlotte, it was a source of great pride for us. but it also,

for me, helped us always remember that we should deal with the men and women of our armed forces as though there were our own family. because they are. i mean, when we came into office in 2017, i actually heard that the air force had grounded a third of their aircraft to use as spare parts to keep the other aircrafts in the air. i could not be more proud in those first two years of our administration. that we

enacted the largest increase international defense since the days of ronald reagan. providing for the common defenses our first obligation of our national government and making sure the men and women of our armed forces have the resources they need to accomplish their mission uncomposed safe. it was our top priority. i appreciate you mentioning my son, and our family, including my son in law, and their spouses. we couldn't be more proud of them, and couldn't be more grateful for their service, as we are the service of all of those in the armed forces of the united states. >> i want you to meet florence, he is a certified senior planner and republican from porter, indiana, who voted for the trump pence ticket. >> it is nice to meet you, sir. >> honored to meet you. >> i am a hoosier, and a first generation ukrainian american. i have done mission work in ukraine since 1994. >> thank you. >> as the war in ukraine continues, additional support from western nations is critical to enable ukraine to protect its people and retake its land. there are members in the congress who oppose providing additional military and financial support for ukraine. many in your own political party and in your own -- such as senator mike brown.

ukraine, how do you handle opposing viewpoints from those in your own party and your own home state? >> thank you for your ministry for so many years. and even in these times of war, the difference that you are making in the lives of the people of ukraine. i said from very early on, it is absolutely essential that the united states of america and our western allies provide the people of ukraine with the support they need to defend themselves and repel that unconscionable russia invasion. i have made it very clear that i believe that there is no room in the republican party for apologists for putin. we need to continue to stay the course, and stand strongly with president zelenskyy and those courageous fighters who just this week, their efforts witnessed the russian retreat from a city called kherson.

they are making incredible process, but we cannot flag in our commitment. i am passionate about it because i have always believed in what we used to, called the reagan doctrine. it is wherever there are free peoples willing to fight communists, we will give them the resources to fight them. so we do not have to fight them. but it is a little more personal than that for us. karen and i were on a trip through the middle east in march of this year, we stopped on the way back in poland to thank relief workers in a christian organization called samaritans purse, that we are providing relief in the early days following that unconscionable russian invasion. we were actually able to fly into ukraine today. just a few miles, but we came to a refugee center. and i saw a site that i never thought i would see with my own eyes. women of every age, children of every age, with whatever their earthly possessions they could carry on their backs, all lined up and being processed to leave

their home country and to leave their men behind to fight against the russians. as a member of samaritans percent that day, i would never have thought we would see those guys that were not in black and white. as they harken back to images in europe from the second world war. what is happening in ukraine it is unconscionable. as the leader of the free world, the united states of america, we will continue to stand strong with the people of ukraine until the russian army is repelled, and the sovereignty of ukraine is restored. >> i want you to meet andrea from anderson, indiana. she is an independent who voted for president biden. >> hello. in the states that have reproductive freedom as an issue on their ballot, the

majority of voters in all of those states voted for reproductive freedom. freedom in many forms is important to voters. shouldn't this freedom, based on roe, also continue? >> barbara, thank you. i represented madison county in congress for many years. >> it's andrea. >> it is nice to see you. you know, when i think about my public career, when i write about it in my book, because of my sanctity of life has been at the very center of our calling. it really emanates out of my faith. i accepted christ as my savior when i was a young man, and when i opened the bible, i read before i formed you in the win i knew you, and to choose life so that you and your children may live. and i knew that in that moment because

life needed to be my cause. i was a champion for life when i was on the airways in anderson, indiana for years, and then as your congressman, and your governor, and vice president. i always believed that roe v. wade would be overturned, i just didn't know if it would be overturned in my lifetime. but thanks to three supreme court justices confirmed by our administration, the american people have been given a new beginning for life, and in a very real sense, the question of abortion, to your point, has been returned to the states and the american people. where it belongs. i think in that democratic process, it may take as long to restore the sanctity of life to the center of american law in all 50 states as it did to overturn roe v. wade. but however many years i

have loved for me in my house, i will be standing for life. but not just for the unborn, when i think it is going to be incumbent upon states that enact pro life protections to also demonstrate generosity and compassion to women facing crisis pregnancies. to support not only the unborn, but newborns, in new and renewed ways. as i said at the close of my book, i truly do believe that we have an opportunity to demonstrate, not just a commitment to the sanctity of human life, but a commitment to come alongside and support those that are facing crisis pregnancies. and i look forward to being a part of that, bringing principle, and compassion to that debate. but because of the supreme court's decision, the debate is

now returned to the american people. and i will be a part of that in the cause of life. >> thanks, andrea. let's bring in pastor donnie willis from new york. he is a republican who voted for the trump pence ticket. >> mister pence, thank you for being here. i am not sure whether to direct my question to you but it's one concerning family. you have both had very successful careers while raising three kids, i am a dad of three as well. what is one piece of advice you would offer to parents who are attempting to balance the priorities of serving others, and spending time with their families? >> pastor, thank you, thank you for your ministry. such a thoughtful question. and thank you for rightly assuming that karen would have a better answer to that question. my wife is a miracle worker. in the course of our public career, we have moved 18 times, and

served our state, served people of indiana, served the nation. and all along the way, she has created a closeness in our family that continues to this day. we were on the phone with our daughter audrey before we came over to cnn tonight, getting some last-minute advice from her. and some of the momentous times that i write about in my book, i can tell you that we always turn to our kids, in any decisions that we make in the years ahead, we hear our kids counsel. my best advice to anyone who leads a busy life, which is true of almost every american these days is go home for dinner. i used to say that to members of congress. vote right, and go home for dinner. because for me, i never had to have people

encouraged me to want to excel. i know i seem a little low-key but i am actually a very competitive person, right? but it does take discipline to put your family first. and i would say to anyone here, and anyone looking on, particularly in those years that your kids are home, which may be nothing more important, than them knowing that mom or dad in their busy lives are going to shut the computer, set down the phone, and sit down at dinner. and just hear them out. i think the dinner table has been a source of incredible strength in our family, and when we all gather for the first time in three

years of this coming christmas, because of deployments, our son and our son-in-law were gone for much of the last several years. but we will all be back together, and we will all be around that table. we will be breaking right, we will be saying our prayers, and my best advice is to just go home for dinner. >> and my suggestion, my observation is that they are going to have a big topic of conversation at that christmas dinner. we are going to talk about that when we come back. we will have more with former vice president pence after this break, thank you. [applause]

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>> welcome back to our town hall with former president, vice pence. he just witnessed a launch of the moon mission. he is a democrat who volunteered for the party any voted for joe biden, james. >> hi james. >> mister vice president, thank you for coming to new york. this morning, nasa launched, successfully launched the historic artemis i mission, bringing american back to the moon. as vice president, you lead the reestablishment of the national space council and i know the artemis program was a big focus. what do you think the role of america should be in space in the coming decades, and how can we continue bipartisan support for our nation's great space program? >> well james, thank you for the question. i tweeted about artemis i this morning. i couldn't be more excited. i want to send my thanks and appreciation to nasa, and all of the great companies that work with them to send that extraordinary rocket on a path around the moon. really setting

the stage for sending the next man on the first woman to the moon in just a few short years. i appreciate you bringing it up because i will never forget the day that president trump asked me, on the campaign trail, if we won the election, what i want to lead the national space council as vice presidents have done in the past? what he didn't know was that the only committee i ever asked to be on in congress was the nasa subcommittee. what he didn't know, karen and i had taken our kids when they were little to vacation at cape canaveral just to see the rockets. i will never forget saying to him over the phone, what i leave the space council? would i?

and we went to work. well i will tell you, it was bipartisan work. for the longest time we have grounded the space shuttle. we were literally hitching a ride with the russians to get back to the international space station. and when we came in, we were determined to put america back in the lead, and human space exploration, to get back out of low earth orbit, to get back to the moon and on to mars. working with nasa, and the incredible space entrepreneurs in this country, we set in motion the processes that will do just that. i will say as i said at the top of this broadcast, i have more than a few arguments with the biden administration, but i am truly grateful that they have continued to stay on course to return americans to the moon. but i must tell you that that day, we were at kennedy space center, the president, karen and i were watching the day in 2020, in the midst of that pandemic, when for the first time in ten years, american astronauts returned to space on an american rocket from american soil. i will never forget, you can see the picture

in my book, the president and i were standing very stoically, it was an important moment in the history of american space exploration. my wife had both fists in the air. i think she captured the enthusiasm of americans. look america needs to lead in space. not just for the advantage, not just for our security, but because we need to carry our values, and the values of freedom into space. and i have every confidence that we will. >> so, you mentioned that your family is going to be together for christmas, and i know that you have said that you are not going to make a decision about your career until after there is some prayer and family huddling over christmas. you write in your book, actually, i knew this already that in your west wing office you had portraits of four former vice presidents on the wall, john adams, thomas jefferson,

theodore roosevelt and calvin coolidge. i can't help but observe that of those four vice presidents, all four went on to become president. i know you are not going to announce your candidacy this evening, but do you think that you would be a good president? >> that would be for others to say. let me just say, when we gather back in in the end of this coming christmas, we will approach that decision the same way that we have approached every decision over the last 20 years in public life. last 20 years in public. my daughter, charlotte, still wrote the best book about our family. it is entitled where you go. subtitled, life lessons from my father. and she captures the story of how we made our decision to run for congress that third time. so i mentioned that i lost those first two races, and i write about the lessons learned. so help me god, when the time came

around, i will be honest with you, it was a difficult decision to decide whether to run for congress again. we had to sell our dream home, we had to move our kids back to my hometown, we had to spend all of our savings and risk it all again. entering a campaign that we lost twice in the past. but karen and i, and the kids all went out west. we like riding horses and we were at a ranch. we were celebrating my 40th birthday. karen and i had gone back and forth over the decision. we were praying about it, we were talking through, and we were discussing it even with our younger kids about changes in our lives. and as we stood on what was called chimney rock, in the national forest, we saw these two red tailed hawks that would appear from eight valley floor. they were simply being lifted up. on the air wave.

they were not moving their wings at all. and i looked at my wife, and i just said, the seahawks are us. she looked at me and she said, well then we should do itbut this time, no flapping. just like those birds. shush charlotte tells the story in the wonderful book she wrote. for us, whatever decision we make will be on a sense of calling. it will be out of a sense of trying to discern whether it is a time that we can spread our wings again, and let the lord, and the american people take us wherever he wants us. that more than anything else, we will respond to the calling that we have in our lives. and i will always be grateful for the opportunities that i have had to serve the people of indiana, and to serve all of you as your vice president. i want to thank you all for that honor from the bottom of my heart.

>> does karen want you to run for president? >> i will let you ask her. >> thoughts? no comment. my last question for you, sir, if you ran, do you think that you could win, do you think that you could beat donald trump in anyone else running? >> if we entered the race for president, i would not be thinking so much about who i was running against, but what i was running for. the bible says without a vision, the people perish. and i truly do believe that we spend too much time in politics talking about the other side and not talking enough about what our vision is. i believe the success we had in the 2016 campaign was for all of the contention that the campaign, the american people still heard a commitment to rebuild the military, to secure the border,

to cut taxes, roll back regulations, had appoint conservatives to the courts. the rallies that i stood before, and i always told people, if you want a large rally use and donald trump, if you win a small rally you could send me. but it was always the same. people were animated not so much for personality as they were by a vision, by policies. i truly do believe that those policies will carry, whether we are the standard bearer or not. i think the difference for any candidate will be whether they offer compelling vision to the american people. a vision of putting back into practice the policies that left our country stronger and more prosperous after four years of the trump pence administration. but also as i said at the top of this program, i think the american people are looking for leadership that can unite our country around our most timeless values and ideals. and demonstrate the kind of civility and respect that americans show one another every day. so we will take time

at the end of the year, give careful consideration to what role we might have. but i promise you, jake, i will keep you posted, and we will stay in the fight for our values, and do everything in our part to strengthen and serve the country we love. so help us god. >> mister vice president thank you so much for joining us we want to thank our audience for being here. especially the ones who came all the way from indiana. thank you for your questions. ac360 starts now. >> and welcome to a late addition of three 60. joining us to talk about what you just heard, senior chief political correspondent dana bash joins me, and abby philips, and political commentator and campaign adviser to the president, also conservative radio host, erick erickson. dana what did you think of the former vice president tonight?

>> he is trying to walk the finest of fine lines, anderson. by distancing himself, criticizing the former president for what happened in the run up to, and especially on january 6th, not just for the country, but for him and his family personally. but then, embracing all of the policies that he believes will serve the country well, from his perspective, but more importantly for his political future will serve him well if he does in fact decide to run, even though he would not go there quite yet with jake. so, for those who are looking for him to express his anger, and not just say his anger, and there is a difference, you are not going to get that from mike pence. it's just not who he is. for those who are looking for somebody to embrace the former president more than he did, you are also not going to get that. so the question is, who is out

there, who he is going to appeal to. because when you talk about trump, they are very polarizing ideas and perspectives. >> david, can you even imagine what it looks like, mike pence on a debate stage with the former president? i mean, the pacing, the pauses, everything. >> yeah, so, to say it would be awkward is probably an understatement. if america is looking for, you, know if this still matters, if being a kind,, decent human being still matters in national politics, then mike pence will be a contender. because what you just heard from jake tapper, and in the interview, i applaud cnn for taking the whole thing, and doing the town hall for the vice president for showing up, i think it is important for americans to hear this. but he has a tough road to hoe because, i disagree with one of the things he said at the end. politics is about animating the base, right? animating people.

he made kind of a joke about it at the end and he said if you want a the crowd, send donald trump. if you want a small crowd, send mike pence. i think that is going to be his challenge. getting the base, and republican voters motivated. i think that he is an incredibly kind, patient, decent human being but it is going to be hard to fire up the base and animate them after four years of a trump administration. >> and to the point about walking a fine line, i don't know if it is a razor's edge fine, it really doesn't, does it really please anybody? because he is not winning over people who like the former president necessarily, and not really even castigating the former president particularly hard that might bring him support from people who have turned against the former president. >> i was struck by exactly the same thing, anderson. you know, i keep thinking back to when he was talking about after january 6th, talking to trump about what his former boss had put

him through on that day, and he basically went out of his way to say that he thought that trump was remorseful, provided really no evidence to suggest that, but really leaned into this idea that trump really didn't mean it in some ways. and i thought that that was really emblematic of mike pence. i think for the people who love pence, it is perhaps a sign that he is a good, and decent person. that he is forgiving, he is a person of faith, but for folks who are looking for pence to express a statement of principles, even on something like that, where he and his family were put in danger, where his former boss was doing something that he described as reckless, but other people have described as anti-democratic, he wouldn't even go there to express broad statements of principle about why what trump did was wrong. also, even a little bit of outrage, i think. it is hard for him because i think that that is generally, i covered pence for the duration of the

trump pence presidency. this is generally who he is but i think that for the american public it is going to be hard for him to really get a lot of enthusiasm on either side of this divide within the republican party. >> yeah. eric two of these point i want to play the moment where vice president pence addressed what happened on january 6th. >> take a look at the video over here. that, of course, with the noose hanging outside the capitol that day. rioters were calling for your execution chanting hang mike pence. almost two years later, is it still tough to see that and hear that i have?

i >> jake, it saddens me. but that day, it angered me. i must tell you, when the secret service took us down to the loading dock, accompanied by my wife, and my daughter charlotte, and our secret service detail, i was determined to stay at my post. i told the secret service that i was not leaving the capital. i didn't want to give those people the site of a 16 car motorcade speeding away from the capitol that day. but frankly, when i saw those images, and when i read a tweet that president trump issued saying that i lacked courage in that moment, it angered me greatly. but to be honest with you, i didn't have time for it. the president had decided in that moment to be a part of the problem. >> erica, i am wondering what your takeaways of mike pence -- it is interesting, him describing that from a distance, without any emotion, or feeling

about it. >> you know, that is kind of who he is. he tries to be dispassionate with these things. i have known the man for more than a decade, and his pacing, and storytelling like that, this is very much who mike pence is. i don't think that it was interesting when jake pushed back on him and said, you said the president became part of the problem, but he was the problem. and it took the vice president a little while to get to that and to move on there. that is part of the problem he is going to have. people who like donald trump really like donald trump, not necessarily mike pence. there are a lot of people out there, i was watching social media go through as the town hall was going on, people who are very upset with him for not being forceful. that is not who he is, he is not the iconoclast that a lot of people expect in

politics. he really is, at this point, a very nice, good, humble, christian man. he is going to have to find a way to gravitate more than just an evangelical base if you want to run for president, and find some way to express some level of dignity would happen for a lot of voters who are still mad about it. >> we have that sound that erin just mentioned where former vice president was asked about trump's role on january 6th. let's play that. >> you just said that the president in that moment decided to be part of the problem. i have to say, as somebody who has been reporting on it, for the months leading up to january 6th, i don't think anything happened in that moment that was part of the problem. president trump had been campaigning in favor of the overturning of the election for months, and months, and months. it was not in that moment, and he wasn't part of the problem, he was the problem. >> well, look. the people who rioted at the capitol are responsible for what they did. as i said that day, and i believe every day since, those

people should be prosecuted to the you fullest extent of the law. >> he never said trump lead those insurrectionists there. trump is the one who fomented it throughout the town hall. pence was still not denouncing trump. are you, i mean, is that -- if that is the lane he is running in, i mean is that a lane? this >> it is hard to see that it is a lane. it is incredibly narrow. it might take away what we started with this, that is the people who really want him to show his anger, even, and especially when we are talking about in the short term, the republican primary electorate, for those who are so angry about what happened, and there are republican primary voters who are angry about what happened. he is not necessarily showing it. what he is trying to do is say i did all of the good things in the trump

administration when it comes to republican policies that you all support, and i stood up when the you know what hit the fan, and i prevented the constitution from being completely shredded. but again, when it came to, when it comes down to culpability, which sounds to me like it is part of the question, he won't go there. of course people who are at the capitol are responsible. but they are not the only people responsible. it is the person in the white house for whom he worked who fomented that. who fed then lies and helped them to incite what they did. >> you know david, you are on the set with as the other night when van jones was talking about one of the things that he believes the supporters of donald trump believe in is that they are part of a movement. it is not just that they like the policies donald trump was espousing, it is that they are part of something that is deeply connected to trump, that trump represents. mike pence is not a movement leader. that

still seems to remain one of the former president's biggest advantages. >> you are exactly right, anderson. that is what i was alluding to. the vice president spoke about that in the end of the town hall he, kind of made fun of it and he said. mike pence again, very good, decent, kind, human being. not a guy who is going to fill 10,000 seat stadium with people who are chanting lock her up. he cannot be someone he isn't. he is authentic. it is going to be a problem. we are talking about how we see the video of him being whisked down these stairs while you can here's shouts outside of the capital of hang mike pence. his wife, his daughter, and even asked what he felt about the president, i would have had some pretty strong words. i would have gotten in the car and driven back to the white house and probably gotten in a

fistfight with the president. that is what people are looking for. to say wow of that with my wife and family, i would be back there banging on the desk saying more than you let me down, mister president. i think the issue is that mike pence is a decent human being, a great guy, i got to spend a lot of time with him, and i think people want to see a little more fire. they want to see someone who is going to stand up and fight hard. that is what the allure of president trump was and i think that is what they see from ron desantis in florida. and i think that's why he's surging in the polls. they see someone who is kind of a pugilistic in a political sense. >> do you think that mike pence is, or can be the future of the republican party? >> i think it is too early to know. but for all of the reasons that david just described, it is hard. he, in this moment, has a bit of a choice. i think if we look at the results of the midterms last week, there is a constituency in american politics for people who are not election deniers, who are espousing real policy, and perhaps people who are willing to push back on those things.

pence doesn't really want to be that person. he wants to be just distant enough from it that he can't be called an election denier, but not so distant that he might be perceived as being more in the liz cheney vein of the republican party. and it is just hard to see who that appeals to. you know, on the other hand, i do think that the one thing ron desantis has that is working for him at the moment, although it remains to be seen whether that will work in the actual primary, is that he is picking fights with the other party. pence will not do that either. it is just hard to see what the lane is. i think this republican party of today, frankly, is not particularly all that interested and the nice guy who shows up at the party, and i think that pence is going to have to deal with that. >> i will leave it there. i appreciate it, thank you. coming up next, how the missile crisis on the polish ukrainian

border was contained, and the latest on the investigation into what actually happened. we are joined as well from former military general and attach it to russia.

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>> secretary of defense austin said the u. s. had seen nothing to contradict poland's assessment that ukrainian missile was caused by air defense missile. ukraine says it is ready to cooperate in the polish and investigating what happened. but the nato secretary general said today

that it is not ukraine's fault and that russia bears ultimate responsibility. for russia's reaction to all this we turn to international correspondent fred pleitgen joins us from moscow. what is the latest from the kremlin? >> hi there, anderson. the russians are trying to capitalize on all of this. they are calling this a polish, ukrainian plot and a provocation on the part of those two countries to try to draw this into a wider conflict between russia and nato. it is quite interesting because the spokesman for dimitri peskov came out today and he actually praised president biden's early reaction to this. although president biden had said that it did appear as though the missile fragments that landed in poland probably originated from ukraine and were not fired off by russia. the russians are saying that that was the kind of reaction that they wanted to see. on the part of the european allies, they called it hysteria, and specifically singled out the poles. the russian put forward what they call their experts think that it was actually clear that this was a service to air missile,

and even some in the polish ambassador to moscow later last night. he was at the russian foreign ministry i would say about 20 minutes, not far from where we are right now at all. and then the russians also laying into the ukrainians as well, and saying that they believe that the ukrainians and the poles are trying to draw nato into a conflict with russia, anderson. >> investigators they are still on the scene -- >> they certainly are. and it is possible that what happened there -- it does appear as though this was a tragic accident, that the ukrainians will try to shootdown some sort of russian projectile that was fired at their infrastructure. and that one of those intercepted -- probably went astray. but there are still a lot of questions that are open. did this interceptor hit some sort of russian projectile and was then maybe diverted to the territory of poland? or could there also have been a russian projectile that was hit and then part of that also landed on polish territory a

lot of things are still unclear. certainly there's more information that could come out, anderson. >> fred pleitgen, thank. -- earlier today the general joins chiefs of staff general mark milley noted that the ukrainian military's recent successes also play down law the idea that they are near a full victory. >> the military task of militarily kicking the russians physically out of ukraine is a very difficult task. and it is not going to happen in the next couple of weeks unless the russian army completely collapses, which is unlikely. the probability of that happening anytime soon is not high militarily. >> joining us now is retired forget of general peter's whack who is the u.s. defense attachã© to russia -- he is also the author of swimming the volga, -- experiences in pre putin russia. general, do you agree with general milley about the difficulty the ukrainian army actually had in pushing forces actually out? >> it's going to be a hard fight and the ukrainians are

going to press. they have the momentum. they sense and i think we would agree, that if the russians are able to stop, set reorganize, it will even be a harder fight. of course we've got winter. coming that works both for and against both sides. so, yes, it will be hard. the russians are falling back on what we call a little bit interior lines. that's closer to the supply routes. but winter for russian forces in ukraine will be harder, i believe, for them, than the ukrainians because ukrainians are fighting on their own ground and those russian troops are going to be out there, fighting unpopular and really cold. >> the fighting will likely slow down during the winter, right? just logistically, just the elements make it that much more difficult. >> that's right. the one point to make on that,

though, the track vehicles, and some real -- can really really motor and walk along the roads, the front extends now, a lot of the fighting has been sort of linear along what we call military, if you will, it lines of operation. they can move faster now and what they call general mud, that period is passing. but now you are going to get general winter. and this will be -- this we'll talk about russian prowess. ukrainians can fight and winter as well. >> so, you think it affects russia -- the winter affects russia more because ukraine is fighting on their own territory. >> i think it's a major -- very important. same, ground world war ii, you had german and soviet forces fighting over villages and towns just to stay warm and for the hearth. and ukrainians are fighting in a generally friendly, populated area.

we fought -- it was hard for the russians, there are supply lines out in front of kyiv and elsewhere, it's going to get really hard for them, especially in the south, where they still are extended. it's going to be a tough fight, though. >> it's always a pleasure. >> pleasure is mine. >> coming up, new details on the investigation from enforcement into the -- 70s out four university of high idaho scenes as they continue to search for a suspect. the latest next. vo: it's a new day. because covid vaccines just got a big update. just in time for everyone who works. with other people. just in time for... ...more togetherness. just in time to say “oh, you bet we'll be there!”

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we have new information tonight about the investigation the fatal stabbings of four university of idaho students, the local police chief says they can assure the community is safe as they continue the search for the suspect. the students were found dead sunday an off campus home, police chief also revealing for the first time that two other roommates were home at the time of the killings. he said they were not injured

or held hostage. more now from cnn's lucy kavanaugh. >> we do not have a suspect at this time. and that individual still out there. we cannot say that there is no threat to the community. >> tonight, with a killer on the loose, police in moscow idaho trying to calm a community on edge. shaken by the brutal killings of four young students. >> but the reality is, there is still a person out there who committed for horrible, horrible crimes. so, i think we have to go back to there is a threat out there still. >> the students bodies were found inside this home across from the university of hydro campus sunday. police say two were at a party on campus, while two others were at a downtown bar. all returned home sometime before 1:45 am. what happened after remains a mystery. >> the four were stabbed with a knife, but no weapon has been located at this time. >> there was no sign of forced entry into the residence.

, we're not 100 percent sure that the door was unlocked, there was no damage to anything in the door was still open. when we got there. >> the coroner describing a gruesome scene. >> there's quite a bit of blood in the apartment. and it's a pretty traumatic scene. to find four dead college students in a residence. >> the victims all members of greek life on campus appear to have been friends. pictured in this photo, posted by 21 year old kayleigh -- hours before their death. the caption, one lucky girl to be surrounded by these people every day. kayleigh was killed alongside 20-year-old zion a a junior majoring in marketing. 21-year-old madison -- a senior also majoring in marketing and 20 year old recreation sport in tourism management major ethan chapman. the university president visibly shaken. >> first, my deepest

condolences to the families. and friends of ethan, kayleigh, and madison. excuse me. their loss has been devastating and they were bright lights in our community. >> we're just trying to process it. it's not a call that you think you're going to have to speak with a funeral home director and the fbi and have it hit national news. >> the families, who should've been planning thanksgiving dinner, now, making funeral arrangements. while demanding answers and justice. >> lucy kavanaugh joins us now. our authorities saying anything about a possible motive? the mayor raised one possibility, what's the latest? >> yeah, the police chief was asked about comments made by the moscow mayor describing the killings as a crime of passion. the chief today refusing to speculate on any motives, saying authorities are continuing to investigate. of course there are times when investigators have to keep

cards close to their chest. but students and families have expressed frustration with just how little they've heard from authorities, especially given that police today walked back previous assurances that there was no threat to the community. the father of ethan issuing a statement saying, quote, there is a lack of information from the university and the local police which only fuels false rumors and innuendo in the press and social media. something that the chief actually alluded to today when he said he probably should've had this press conference earlier in the week. at the end of the day, anderson, someone brutally killed four people with a knife and that person has not been caught. the community still waiting for answers. anderson? >> lucy kavanaugh, appreciate it. the news continues, laura coates and cnn tonight right after a quick break. l disease, and i just didn't feel well. but then i found clearchoice. [ forde ] replacing marcia's teeth with dental implants at clearchoice was going to afford her that permanent solution.

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