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video over here. that was hanging outside the capital and rioters were calling for your execution chanting hang mike pence. two years later. here are some of the video. two years later. is it still tough to see that in here that? >> jake it saddens me but that day it angered me. when the secret service took us down to the loading dock accompanied by my wife and daughter emma secret service detail i was determined to stay at my post. i told the secret service i was not leaving the capital. i did not want to give those people the site of a 16 car motor kate speeding away from the capital that day but when i saw those images, and when i saw when i

read a tweet that president trump issued saying that i lacked courage in that moment. it angered me greatly. the president decided in that moment to be part of the problem. i was determined to be heart of the solution. >> joining me now the cnn political commentator a former top aide to the mitt romney campaign and the "wall street journal" reporter, sabrina siddiqui cayou heard him, he wa angered i use more charisma and relating that to you than he did in that moment but that is his personal style. why did you make of it? >> he's very careful he was very programmatic and how he talked about this. that is one of the challenges that he has

writing on trying to get this message across to supporters, they want somebody who is really authentic and they want someone who is going to be a fighter and he didn't really get a lot of that from this town hall. it was very me wants. he seemed to be negotiating every single word very carefully. tonight do you think that people want to know what he thought and we didn't have the january 6 testimony to tell us s anything. >> i think what was striking about it he directed his anger to the rioters but he was still very reluctant to truly take on former president trump and a credit to jq tried to press and he said it wasn't just about january 6. the former president spent months campaigning on this false notion that the campaign was stolen laying the groundwork for the events of that day and mike tunstall said the responsibilities with the rioters. in that is his political calculation on his part he knows that the former president is still very popular

with the republican base so he is kind of distancing himself from trump saying there are better options but at the same time trying not to alienate trump supporters and what is interesting about that, we know with the diehard supporters think of pence. and they are just wary of that administration. certificates political purgatory. >> he handed them a life raft. the idea he felt remorseful. and the public persona. he was a friend and all those things. >> sabrina is kind of right. the appr- trump folks will neve forget a moment of courage the anti-trump folks will never forget that 2001 days before that from the day he joined the ticket until january fifth. and the grab them by the

privates and exploiting zielinski. add banning people from our country because of their religion. people will never forget that. mike pence is a good man. i knew him when he was on the hill. he is a good and decent person that a lot of us think he spent four years of his life serving a bad president. so he calls of the honor of a lifetime trying to distinguish between the policy people want to return to and the baggage that it brought. that's why the tension is there for many republicans right now. sue mike if you are going to run for the nomination. it goes through trump. he has a very firm grip on the base of the party and you're going to have to take him on and there is nothing inside this town hall or even in the mike pence persona that tells me that he is the right person to take on

donald trump. his entire political profile nationally wa defined as being the vice president to the sky. how is he going to takeout him long, confrontive and lead the party he going to takeout him long, confrontive and lead the party in the country if you closely tethered to the 4 years closely tethered to the 4 years he spent as >> is it going to be in annville or catapult? it remains to be seen. st stick around a because the republican party is officially taking control of thet house today. s what are they going to do with all the power and what are they going to do first? signs point to politicallyrt motivatedif investigations. plus you have toemail he late night that elon mucmusk set out to h twitter employees thinking about the ideas of extremely hard-core workload. what is that? let's discuss. wher

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the withdrawal from afghanistan to investigations of hunter biden. and the pandemic. it's a question of how far republicans will get with any of this? sabrina, the idea of looking at this with a slim margin, these investigations. can actually happen? do they have enough to do it? systemic republicans will try to use a narrow majority to investigate president biden and his administration and his family. there's a lot of pressure on kevin mccarthy or whoever will be speaker, to go after the biden administration. the question is whether or not that will play with voters following a midterm election where democrats held onto the senate and where republicans underperformed even though they took back the house. because they have a narrow majority. and i think part of the problem can it could potentially have the same problem.

>> they are going to hold the administration accountable but to your point, the other thing that came out the number one thing everyone is worried about, the economy and inflation and you have things focused on outside the realm of the economy and inflation. you look like you are a little bit out of step with the american public that wants to see some solutions and wants to see progress. there's a great deal of risk involved. >> congressman jim jordan spoke about this talking about the constitutional duty to do this. >> some folks understand that we have a constitutional duty to do investigations and oversight. we are going to do that in a way that's consistent with the constitution. >> are these the type of investigations to do?

>> i have seen this movie. newt gingrich won a landslide when he was working for president clinton. he went right into the politics of personal destruction. what did it do? it reelected bill clinton. because bill clinton stood up and said he was interested in legislation they were interested in investigations that crush the revolution that was far more powerful than kevin mccarthy who had a five seat majority. it's a total loser for them. as a partisan. i want to. i would work with biden to get things done. >> political majority and political mandate are 2 different things. >> you remember covering this with the tea party caucus. >> kevin mccarthy or whoever the speaker is has their work cut out for them. it's not about the investigations are pressure to go after the biden administration there are a number of issues where they have to rely on democratic

votes raising the debt ceiling to keep the government open and avert the shut down and all of this things when the freedom caucus will rally again. it will be a wild ride. statement that negotiation might have to include the democratic leader and a couple of minutes ago we heard from a spokesperson for speaker pelosi about her political future because she is making an n announcement tomorr saying the speaker is overwhelmed by calls and colleagues and supporters she will be monitoring returns and the three returning critical states but she will address plans tomorrow. stay tuned. what is she going to do? >> i am a person of faith. i'm going to pray that she stays on. she is the most effective speaker in all of american history. she passed massive legislation. kevin mccarthy won't be able to do anything. she is the most effective leader in history.

>> she will set up a succession with jeffries in the wings. >> she may be passing the torch but keep some kind of senior role were she still advises the caucus our counsel. >> and elon musk gave twitter employees an ultimatum. often for hard-core work or get out. that is next.

>> well elon musk has laid down an ultimatum for twitter employees. they have until 5 pm tomorrow to commit to what he calls extremely hard-core work. or get out. according to a copy of the late-night internal email sent by the new owner and obtained by cnn. in the memo he says if you are sure that you want to be part of the new twitter, please

click yes on the link below. here to talk about this, cara swisher posted on the cara swisher and pivot podcasts. i'm glad you are here to talk about this because we have had these conversations. i can imagine you're surprised by what we're seeing right now given the fact that he has made a few changes. banning remote work idea of no more free meals. this hard-core pledge i want everyone to see on the screen. what do you make of it? >> is also firing people who were critical of him on slack and twitter even the most mild of criticism. there's a couple of engineers who talked about this who are making some points. he tweets things that are incorrect and they correct him and they get fired for it. there is an ethicist until, he that is gone now. it's called hustle. it's called hustle is

what it is. people talk about how hard they work and they have pictures of themselves in sleeping bags or under the desk. and elon musk has talked about sleeping on the factory floor at tesla. >> i had not heard the term before but here you go in idea of a sleeping bag this came out on november 2 and he took over october 27. assuming this is esther crawford who was working on a blue product that was delayed because it was rolled out so badly. if you do it too fast you turn out bad products so it's an idea you have to work 24/7 and it is maligned now in silicon valley. the idea that you have to do this. but it's part of the tech row culture. they're going to work all night and then something is going to happen that's magical and it's ridiculous in the second part is demanding loyalty over quality and i don't understand what you have to say. there may be people

that were coasting like every single business that exists on the planet. at the same time demandingloyalty and saying you have to be hard-core , whatever that means is kind of weird and it's like a monarchy of some kind. i don't understand it. i would never click yes. that's ridiculous. to make it's kind of click abate in a very different way. you don't know what you are signing up for. what does hard-core mean? the way to describe it. everyone knows the stories of people who are the infamous college dropouts and they had a spark of an idea and they work it had all this time and they are working as a tech startup and to apply that notion to a mature company i know the platform itself is not profitable. we talked about the idea of what he said and the expense incurred but is the imposition of that earlier viewpoint of how to make a

successful company, will it work on something that is in existence and working at this point? >> i don't think it works at all. there is a way to inspire people. you are making something cool and a lot of people at twitter really believe in it. and the other is to mock them it's a way to mock advertiser sent to make them feel badand small if you are not on board we will shut you off. it's a strange way to manage. it works , i suppose with some people. i don't think insulting and demeaning people as a way to manage in every modern workplace with this is a way he is doing it and ? he thinks people are going to shut it down behind his back so you have a bit of paranoia. you have a bit of i am in charge here. and lots of people when they disagree with him he said we are going to do it my way. i am the law which is a strange thing to say. it sounds like you are from a 70s

stephen stegall movie from some sort nsa strange way to manage. it might work you might attract a very loyal people who want to work for him. there is an expression several of his dominions essay which is ride or die. we don't live in the old west anymore i don't think. so it's kind of strange. >> i am not going to mock you on that. >> i don't know. anyway. >> i think i have an idea what it means. it's an idea that it some other culture and what you want to do is inspire people to make great products. he is a very inspirational thinker. he has people who believe in him and i don't know why he wouldn't take advantage of that and create a different kind of culture. >> that might be the billion dollar question. cara, thanks so much. nice talking to you as always. after 4 students

were found dead and off campus bedhousing at the university y idaho. we will go to the scene after this.

>> knew details tonight about the shocking killings of 4 university of idaho students that happened last weekend. police are saying at a press conference tonight that there were two roommates in the house during the attack. but there are still l more questions than answers. we have law enforcement analyst and veronica joining me now. thanks for being here. it's an awful story but what's the

latest information authorities are providing about this case? >> so devastating to this very tightknit and small community. we know that those students were murdered in the early morning hours of last sunday. two of those students, ethanan chapin and zana were at a party on campus and the other two victims madison and kaylee ready downtown bar. they all came home to the residence around 1:45 am before they were killed. and authorities have told us the six people live with that residence and two other roommates were also home at the time of the attack as you said. here's what the chief of police had to say. >> there was other people home at that time but we are not just focusing on them. we are focusing on everybody that had been coming and going from the residence.

>> was there any explanation for why it took so long for someone to call 911? you have surviving witnesses to an incident at three or four in the morning and the 911 call didn't come in until noon? >> i didn't say they were witnesses. i said they were there. we don't know why the call came in at noon and not at night. we would have loved to have that happen but that's not how it took place. >> laura, i am also told those roommates are fully cooperating with the investigation and police are not calling them suspects, they are not ruling out anyone at this time. >> that's ? michael is here right now thinking about the information we have. there some contradictions and you have information on day one versus day three and four and beyond but the idea that we are hearing there were roommates who were present. he said they were not witnesses but present. what does that do for your min , turning the investigative muscle here? >> it's bizarre. it doesn't

make sense to me. that press conference left me with many more questions than they provided answers to. you see some of the evidence or at least what the police told us at this point the crime scene was brutal and it suggests to me that there was a personal relationship between the suspect and the decedents and the police said there is no longer a threat to the community which, to me, suggest the suspect is either or suspects are in custody or dead themselves. but then again, we have like you said contradicting information from law enforcement. >> i want to play with the police chief had to say about the threat issue because it's interesting and revealing. and here's what police had to say about the notion of an ongoing threat potentially.

>> i just want to clarify something you said earlier over the last couple of days, the information we have been getting, is not a threat to the public and earlier i heard you say, you can't be sure there is no threat. i just want to clarify what your stance is on that at this time. >> we still believe it's a targeted attack. but the reality is there is still someone out there who committed 4 horrible, horrible crime so we have to go back to there is a threat out there still possibly. we don't know. >> the idea of there being a threat out there possibly, it's a targeted attack. at first it was an ongoing threat. is this a little bit of trying not to show one's hand. and is it an idea of not wanting to compromise an investigation? am i being too generous? >> i think you are being too generous. it sounds like it

sounds to me like they originally had said that there was no threat to the community and that now there is a potential threat to the community because the suspect is still at large or suspects are still at large. >> veronica, you were there and i can't imagine. we have these questions right now sitting where you are in covering this story there is an important way the victim's relatives are calling out the lack of information coming from the cops and the university. what are they saying about all of this? >> it has been very difficult for not just the people here in this community but as you said the relatives of those families one of the victim sisters saying in the statement that no one is in custody and that means no one is safe. we are all heartbroken. yes we are all grasping but more strong that any of these feelings is anger. we are angry. you should be angry. today the

chief of police himself did say he should have been out front of the public c yesterday. possibly even earlier. we did speak to a public information officer tonight from the idaho state police. he says this is a very small police department about 30 people in the chief of police was out there on the scene canvassing, investigating this so there was a lot of focus on a communication piece but now they will be focusing heavily on the communication piece in getting the community involved to help them. laura? >> what a horrible tragedy. thank you for covering this story. it's important. >> we are thinking about all of this and unpacking it as well. i can't help it. having you here, you are the author of a book, hold the line, the insurrection and one cops battle for an american soul l a tonight we heard from the former president ? vice

president of the united states, mike pence of course speaking about his experience of speaking about the townhall that fateful day. you have very strong opinions about it. what is your reaction? >> i think it's important that despite the twist that mike pence is putting on his own actions or lack thereof and this is the vice president or former vice president of the united states and the president at the time was lying to the american public about the results of a free and fair election. he sat quietly by and did nothing and said nothing publicly. and in the week or so prior to the insurrection when he claimed that the election was concluded and joe biden was going to be the next president of the united states, he, rather than inform the american people of that contradicting the

president of the united states at the time, he did everything in his power to try to find a way to allow for donald trump to overturn theelection results . on january 6 he wasn't telling, you know. i'm sorry. >> it's emotional to think about. the idea of it. we saw a woman in the audience that day, today, thanking him for what he had done. you think he's deserving of that? >> mike pence is a coward. on january 6 he was reaching out to legal scholars and former vice president's trying to find any way he possibly could to postpone the results or to somehow overturn the election results to favor donald trump and when they gave him no way out, he finally found the courage to do his

constitutional duty and, you know, pulled the results of the free and fair election. and in the immediate aftermath, like many other republicans, he has come to the defense of donald trump even though he was there on the capitol grounds his family was placed in grave danger. through it today he did talk about the idea has private conversations with the former president that he was remorseful. that was a word he used. due by that? >> no. i think he's lying. >> why would he lie? >> will number one he wants to be president and i think that he doesn't want to anger trump supporters. he wants to present himself as an alternative to donald trump whose reputation may have been so damaged by his participation in the january 6 insurrection that he could come along and

pick up those voters and carry the torch onto 2024 and furthe . this is not a person who has the courage or moral and ethical fortitude to distance himself from a president who has caused so much harm to so many people in this country. >> we will see what others make of it and ultimately what voters if he chooses to run will say about that. it's always important to hear your perspective. thank you for watching. coverage continues.

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