this morning former vice president mike pence saying that there will be better choices for president than donald trump in 2024. does he consider himself one of them is this. >> i would say yes. >> i think so. >> and the ceo renting out a room in his own home. we'll tell you why he is doing that. >> nancy pelosi is expected to make an announcement today. speculation of her future has intensified. some speculate she may step aside for a new generation of leadership. jessica dean is on capitol hill for us. good morning, jessica. >> reporter: good morning to you. this has been a lot of the buzz and it reached a fever pitch last night. we know from a spokesperson she

is going to announce her plans in a floor speech later today. what we don't know what she's going to say, what her decision will be. a source telling us she took two versions of a speech home last night. the big question is what are exactly are her plans. we expect to hear from her later today. we're not quite certain what it will be. e everyone's eyes turned to her, she's made a lot of history and a lot of members plotting their moves once they hear from her. >> mike pence revealing at a town hall what it was like on the scene of january 6th saying the final days of trump were the most difficult of my life. despite how rioters acted, he

still supported election deniers. >> i went out and traveled to 35 states over the last year and a half to see if we could elect a republican majority in the house and senate. it doesn't mean that i agree with every statement or position of candidates that i'm supporting in the republican party have taken but i was pleased to do it. governor kemp won a decisive victory in the spring and defeated perhaps the most formidable candidate for governor in the country with his reelection. i think that election particularly proves the point that for the republican party to achieve its potential, for us to earn back the right to lead america, the republican party

has to move forward. >> jake tapper conducted that town hall last night. good morning, jake. >> good morning, guys. congratulations on the new show. it's very exciting to watch. >> you have a little coffee bar over there. >> what do you want? > >> espresso, please. >> what did you think about his answer last night? >> i think so much of it was drawing a line. i guess it's a viable line. we'll see. the republican on the january 6th committee basically said to pence on twitter last night, you have to pick a side here. you can't walk this line. i don't know that that's true but you did see evidence of

this. first of all, his whole pitch seemed to be you can get all the trump policies without the divisive trump and that's me. that was his suggestion. and i don't know if that's real either. >> and lots of buy my book, right? >> lots of buy my book. i had my friends who were doing a drinking game every time he said "buy my book." >> and when they call is irregularities, that is election denialism light. this is what he said and we'll talk about it. >> there was never evidence of widespread fraud. i don't believe fraud changed the outcome of the election, but the president and the campaign had every right to have those examined in court but i told the president that once those legal challenges played out he should

simply accept the outcome of the election and move on. but he was hearing different voices and, frankly, there were some legal experts that were allowed on the white house grounds that should have never been let through the gate. >> some believe that him giving -- allowing that to happen and people sort of questioned that to go to the floor, what have you, that it sort of gave license to people to deny the election and vote against the election and more of this election denialism in the country. >> so reading his book was interesting because he seems to think that nothing really went wrong until january 6. that's really his approach. that's not how, for instance, liz cheney sees it. liz cheney would say this was a months' long campaign and wholistically it was a hole. he tried to overturn the

election this way and that way and the other. and it ended with pressure on mike pence to overturn the election. that was just the last chance. that's not how pence sees it. i'm not saying i agree with it but this is his point of view was that everything was generally fine until that last day. >> you said he seems to think it happens on january 6th, listen, before he even picked mike pence as a running mate, he was saying the election was rigged. so mike pence knew who donald trump was and he went along with it. >> he said if mitt romney loses, the elections are rigged. there's a whole history of donald trump saying things that are not true dating back to the lawsuit against him and his father for discrimination in housing. but that said, if you're just looking at this piece of the puzzle, that's the line pence

tries to walk. i don't think it's necessarily born out by the facts but that's his pitch. >> he also doesn't think congress has a right to hear from him, the january 6th committee. i wonder how significant that was. how does he explain that? >> again, here's two nings. on things. one is the right to legal groundwork. i think that legally and politically and even morally you can make that argument. what i think the january 6th committee was objecting to based on their statement is, one, why are you willing to give all these details in a book that you're selling and the book is very detailed. pence took notes or at least his staff took notes, names, dates, quotes, it's very detailed. so why are you willing to do it

that way and not help us get to the bottom. and then there is this revisionism by pence. it's not just fair by pence, it's almost all of the republican party about what the january 6th committee is. they wanted there to be an independent commission and kevin mccarthy killed that. mccarthy took all of his people off the committee and she appointed two republicans on her own. >> which trump was furious about. >> right. >> and there were two republicans on it. almost everyone we heard from was a trump-supporting republican. what republicans say here is not true, not accurate and not fair. >> the main question everyone has is from pence doing a town hall, if he's going to run in

2024. what's your sense? i? sense that he wants to. i know from covering these things a lot of it is not just about whether or not you think you'd be a good president, it's whether or not you think you can win, whether or not there as a viable path. i think this book release is kind of testing the waters, seeing what the response is going to be, seeing if if there is. if i had to guess, i'd probably sayah, he is probably going to run. >> does he have a lane, though? >> there is a lane for a non-donald trump candidate. that's the question, are there going to be somg non-trump candidates, will it give trump a lane and he'll win? no divisiveness, i could see that working for people.

he does have a much more civil tone. you can see from indianans that they liked it, they liked him personally, even if they disagreed with his views. >> that's the albatross. he's trying to get away from trump. >> away from some of trump and that's difficult. >> taking about their last interactions, he said he thought trump seemed remorseful. he said trump said never change when he was talking to him but it seemed more religious to me when describing those last moments. >> maybe you can chalk this up to christian charity is pence interpreted donald trump asking about his wife and charlotte is that was essentially remorse, i'm so sorry that i put your

wife and your daughter's in harm's way without saying that. and mind you, mike pence being i don't forgive people that haven't asked for my forgiveness. it's very clear at least explicitly he hasn't asked for his forgiveness and ho continues to put and he still says that, i guarantee you by the end of the week, we'll see someone who is on truth social. >> you don't have a true social account in. >> i might. >> if twitter starts charging you? >> twitter's enough, jake. don't you think that's enough? >> i do have a foot in some of these horrible alternate social media sites, parlor and gab, it

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forces attacking a woman who told them she was shopping. cnn cannot independently verify if the woman was released. protested erupted after a 22-year-old kurdish woman died at the hands of the iran morality police force, which is notorious for enforcement of brutal laws. since then women a challenging armed security forces and according to sources they have killed 344 people including 42 children and 45 women. one of the most outspoken people is an activist who has been

especially critical of the iranian regime. she was the target of a kidnapping plot of iranian operatives. >> the fbi came to my house and said this house is not safe for you. and i said you must be kidding me, i receive daily death threats, they cannot do anything. then when they showed me the photos of my private life with my husband, my children and beautiful step children, i was like wow. then i took it serious. >> "the new york times" is now reporting that the fbi is investigating a plot to kidnap her as well as others across america. authorita

authoritarian governments are increasingly hiring private detectives to surveil, harass, threaten and even repatriate dissidents living lawfully in the united states. do you have an update on what's happening in the investigation with the fbi and how you're doing with it in. >> they've been doing the investigation. a man with loaded gun got arrested by the fbi just a few months ago, made my life upside down. i still live in a safe house but the word safe is too luxury of a word for those of us who criticize -- what is scary for me is the iranian regime is killing teen-agers, children in the street and i really want the

action to get the attention of the rest of the world about what's going on. >> you talk about the attention of the rest of the world. let's talk about the u.s. government and what the u.s. government can be doing and saying. i remember the decision in the obama white house not to come out publicly for the green movement with concerns it wouldn't help the movement. i want you to respond to what he said now. let's play what president obama said just a few weeks ago and then you'll hear hillary clinton, secretary of state at the time, who was on the show with us, also talking about it. here they are. >> when i think back to 2009, 2010, you guys will recall there was a big debate inside the white house about whether i should publicly affirm what was going on with the green movement because a lot of the activists were being accused of being tools of the west and there was some thought that we were somehow going to be undermining

their street cred in iran if i supported what they were doing. and in retrospect, i think that was a mistake. >> we have to do everything we can overtly to speak up, speak out, have the media. >> i hope so, i hope so. it breaks my heart. you know why? more than a hundred people got killed during a 2009 movement. and i remember that the obama administration got the advice from some iranian apologist on cnn, they were welcomed here saying don't touch the issue, don't support the iranian movement and i came here to interview barack obama. i was invited by obama's administration.

and then when i was, the state department invited me and say if we give you the interview, we might send the ringrian i gave voice to iranian protesters, which obama actually mentioned about him in 2009. it's, from but the u.s. government can now take a lesson and do a lot. obama means he is with us in person. we were like hoping in the street people chanting his name and saying you are either with us or with the islamic republic. and he was trying to get a nuclear deal with iran at that time. now the u.s. administration, the

biden administration, i want them to recognize this regular children, women in school yards are getting killed and they are asking obama p obama's administration to be our voice. >> a lot of people who worked worked administration work in the obama administration. i want to go back to this north carolina story. it was saying thor tanar governments are hiring in your case they said they were looking for someone who was a debtor. and so i wonder what you believe the united states seems to be doing, not just to unkofr. first of all, i'm very thankful for the law enforcement that the

but the thing is that was a year ago. i was like, okay, you i came here to be loud. i'm not a criminal. the criminals are there killing innocent people. so i have to be safe and give voice to my people, no? but again, because the u.s. so there is no reason to stop killing people and stop following me. that's why they hired a person just it breaks my heart that i'm not escared of my life. i'm prepared it did this is happening on ud many three years ago the iranian regime killed

1,500 people. there was no punishment for islam being republic. so you toll me is there any reason for the iranian regime to stop killing people when it not trying to shake the handle with some of these for me, this is the opportunity to ask the leaders of democracy company. we don't want you to save us. just cut your ties with-- there intention sanctions on iran and now they say they're nowhere close to getting a nuclear deal after they were thinking that they were. >> you never know who you're going to reach and the power of cnn and what we do here because obviously we've been covering

this story and especially a lot in our international wing so we know that it is an important story. i was able to be a part of a round table conversation and that happened in large part because they saw hillary clinton on and i came and had dinner with you guys and sat next do you? i must have this woman on my program. we mus be automobile to -- we'll continue to put these out here. send us more stories from iran and hold us accountable here at cnn. >> that means a lot to me because finally we see that csh and cnn caught the news of our

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state saying we need more seriousness, not looking in the rear view mirror claiming victimhood. and we're seeing billionaire mega donors distancing themselves from trump, including steve swartzman who says he believes it is time to move on from the former president. and a spokesman for the cosmetic heir ronald lauder says he is also not going to back trump. joining us is the author of "betrayal, the find act of the trump show", which is now available on paperback. you and i covered the trump white house together, spent many

years in that that. it is amazing to see many people turning on him in this way and i wonder if you think it's final. >> well, you certainly see that and also i was at mar-a-lago for the announcement, and what i found striking is that there was vir virtually nobody there from the previous trump campaigns, from the trump white house. they're at least for now standing back. they're not rushing to join in. i mean, some of them have completely turned on trump, others have simply turned away from trump and greeted this announcement with a degree of dread. some of them got called and invited to come. many of them decided not to come. there was only a single member of congress there. all these loyalists he has in the house and he still has loyalists in the house but the only one that managed to come was madison cawthorne and he

lost his reelection. so will it last? that's a great question. the thing that republicans fear most about trump at this moment is that if he cannot win the republican nomination, he will allow nobody else to win. that he will seek to destroy anybody who tries to take up his mantle first and foremost on ron desantis. >> when i saw the schwartzman news saying, all right, i'm out. and then ken griffin at citadel, i'm out and robert lauder. how significant is that, not only with the money being gone but just trump wanting to have the support of the new york billionaire guys. >> these are the people that trump likes to think about as almost piers, bpeers, but in

terms of raising money, trump has turned into a money raising machine, raising money off the backs of people who don't have money. most of the money that comes in have 10, $20 donations, working class who go to his rallies. some call it a grift, the big ripoff that a lot of people call it. he doesn't need swartzman to right a big check. >> you are absolutely right about that. that's the sad thing, a lot of poor money are giving money to trump. he needs a lot of money. those billionaires can help him. but he also needs a mega phone.

he needs a platform. he is losing that if you look at what's happening with conservative media, the rupert murdoch media and twitter and so on and so forth. how much harder does it make it for him to run for president route that sort of free p.r. machine? >> there's a lot of comparisons to 2015, saying he didn't have much much of a staff in 2015, it was a handful of people working out of trump tower. but what he did have is he had the mega phone. he was -- he did interviews all the time, network interviews, abc, cnn, fox of course. that's -- i mean, if you look, one of the strange things about trump in this period has been

the interviews that he does. he does interviews with internet programs that, i mean, nobody's ever heard of. this is a former president of the united states. an interview with a former president is generally a big deal, you know. donald trump is like phoning it in with people that were kicked off radio in pittsburgh and now have some show on the internet. is it really a show? who knows. and i think that's what drove him to make this announcement. i think the legal stuff clearly contributed to it, the fear of an indictment coming and wanting to get in front of that but also trump has a sense of the room and i mean the room in a big way. he knows when his message is resonating, is getting out and when it's starting to fade and i think that there was a fear that he was rapidly losing that megaphone. as you know, fox, we'll see if

they come back but they're not going to cover him the way they covered him in the past. >> which has made him in return very critical of fox. john carl, thank you very much for joining us and breaking this down after your mar-a-lago experience. his book is out in paper back today. make sure you pick it up. >> up next, we're talk to the doctor treating the legendary jay leno after he suffered serious burns in a fire. he is getting new treatment in a chamber.

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so jay leno is recovering from significant burns to his face, hands and chest that he sustained from a gasoline fire working on a car. the former "tonight show" host will still need least one more surgery later this week. we want to bring in dr. peter grossman, the reconstruction burn surgeon who is currently treating jay leno. how is he doing?

>> all things considered, he's doing pretty well. he's got some serious injuries but he's got a positive attitude and hopefully with a little bit of time he'll be home and back to work at some point soon. >> we understand he's in a burn chamber, correct, and there is some video that was released that you allowed to happen. >> well, he's in -- he utilizes what's known as a hyperbaric oxygen chamber. the purpose of the oxygen chamber is to decrease some of the swelling that occurs with injury. it also increases the oxygenation to the tissue, which is helpful in the healing process and decreases bacteria that can occur in all types of different wounds, particularly in burn wounds as well. hyperbaric burn oxygen therapy is one of the methods used to treat injuries and burn injuries. >> is he going to suffer long

term? will he have scars? >> it's a little too early to tell right now. we're hoping to get him as close to pre-injury stat status as we can. his injuries are serious. there may be some long-term marks that we'll see. at this time it's just a little too early to know. >> well, send him our best. thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. >> you bet. >> thank you. >> coming up, airbnb rentals soaring. the ceo is, i'm not kidding, renting out a room in his home and he came to tell us about it. i'm not kidding. brian chesky is here l live to tell us about it this morning. duduring the black friday event, save up to $800 on select stearns & foster® adjustable mattrtress sets. (vo) verizon small business days s ae back.

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now brian chesky is doing it again, renting out a room in his house. >> i'm taking photos of this house because i'm going to take it on airbnb. if you come to san francisco and you need a place to stay, i'd love to host you. >> he's with us now, brian chesky, co-founder and ceo of airbnb. why are you renting out a room in your house? why? you're announcing some big changes to the platform. >> why am i renting a home in my house? i was the first house. my roommate joe and i couldn't afford to pay rent. a design conference came to san

francisco, i said let's have a bed and breakfast. i didn't have any beds, we pulled out three air beds and we called it the air bed and breakfast. back then in 2008, many people were looking to make extra money and and to show people, if i can host, you can host too. so we're trying to make it much easier than ever for people to put their home on airbnb. we're going to make it really easy to set up your airbnb. how are we going to do that? some of the best ways to learn something new is learning from somebody who has done it before. we have all of these super hosts around the world, so what if we create something like a genius bar where we match you to other super hosts who can walk you through the process. a lot of people are nervous about having people in their home. when i told my mom i'm doing it again, she's like, are you

crazy? she found actually yesterday on television. but, the good news is, we are now verifying the identity of every single person on airbnb in the top 35 countries and by next spring it will be 100%. >> by the way, you used to live with your mom, this happened during the pandemic, which is a whole different story. >> poppy, why are you outing him? >> i'm not outing him. he outed himself. on a more serious note, there have been so many layoffs in silicon valley right now. and it seems uniquely centered right now on you guys, on silicon valley. is airbnb preparing to lay anyone off? and if not, are you hiring? >> we're hiring. yeah, no, we're not -- two and a half years ago, we lost 80% of our business in eight weeks. people were predicting we're going to go out of business. we did a layoff back then. >> you had to layoff 25%. and when you do a layoff, a lot of people leave after the layoff, because they figure, maybe there's opportunities

elsewhere. this was in a much better economy where people had other options. people thought, a travel company is not the place to be during a pandemic. so a lot of people left. and we just hunkered down. it was like a thousand of us got in a fox hole, rebuilt the company from the ground up and stayed really lean. and because we stayed lean, we generate a lot of free clash flow, so we're stepping on the gas, not putting on the brakes. >> if you look at what elon musk is doing, he's telling people, that they must return to the office, they have to work these extremely hard-core, long hours at high intensity. your approach is the opposite. and you're not cutting, you said. you're growing. >> we're growing, we're not cutting, we're not making people go in office. and doing really well. >> but, is elon musk the wrong approach? >> well, why you -- >> let me tell you why we're not making people go back to a office. i think the future is flexibility. i think after compensation, the most important benefit for

people with a laptop job will be flexibility. the reason why, i think this is going to be employee and market-driven market, not an employer-driven market. maybe a recession it is. and we companies want to have the very best people. and the best people are in san francisco, the best people are in new york. the best people are everywhere. they're distributed. i now have to believe that i have a greater competitive advantage by limiting people to a community radius outside of my office, which means i have not as much talent, but get enough benefit of them being in an office. most companies we found that were just as productive on zoom, if not more productive. but we can hire from everyone, increase diversity. and i think the way to predict the future is to look at what young people and young companies are doing, and they are voting with flexibility. that's where i think the future is going. but every ceo has a prerogative to run their company differently. he's chose one path with flexibility, we've chosen another. >> so you're permanently remote? >> we're permanently pretty flexible remote. but i think pure zoom has some downsides. this is one of the loneliest

times in human history. and the office is now zoom, the theater is now netflix. the mall is now amazon. so we also don't want to live in this dystopia where people never leave their house. that's why we're still trying to gather employees, at least one week a quarter. and we try to do a lot of gathering. but we've not chosen this whole five five-day-a-week or three-day-a-week hybrid. >> there's been a lot written about the big tech billionaire bros. you told me once when we talked about a year ago, a lot of people don't think big tech has their interest in mind. meta right now, facebook, what's happening at twitter, ftx and the crypto crash, is this a paradigm moment for big tech? is this a moment of reckoning? >> i think it's like we're all in a nightclub and the lights just came on. so i think that suddenly, i think there's this exuberance, this euphoria, and now we all have to like take hard looks at

things. and i think there's been the ultimate reality check. and i think you could say that about a lot of different sectors, a lot of different industries. my concern with crypto wasn't the underlying technology. my concern with crypto, for example, has always been the frenetic, like, get in before it's gone, and i just think that was not a responsible like approach. and i think silicon valley has done so many amazing things for the world. but we have to be careful having a fetishization of new technology, as if the new technology will solve all the problems that the last technology created. we need to marry technology with the humanities. we need more diversity in silicon valley, but that diversity should not just be demographic diversity. we need artists, humanists in this industry. we don't just want to "a," "b" test our way towards the next great experiment. i think that will be very dangerous, because human beings are on these platforms. >> people don't want to go into the office -- >> no, i think people do want to

go to the office. i disagree with that. >> you think people want to go to the office? >> i think some people do, some don't. a lot of young people want to go to the office, older people with families less so. people don't want to go into the office five days a week. >> is that sustainable? >> which part? >> is it sustainable for people not to go into work or have this hybrid situation that -- >> i don't think pure remote is sustainable and i don't think that three days a week or maybe three days a week is sustainable. i think we end up with something in between. and everyone is kind of negotiating and diverging towards this in between. and we're all going to design it together. we've chosen more of an immersion where you have flexibility. you want to go away from the summer, you can go away for the summer. but we'll gather together for really big bursts of time. and when you do gather together, i don't think -- i don't know if the purpose is to go to office and just sit at a desk and be in a conference room. if you're going to be together, be together to do -- >> with intention. >> the person who designed the

apple office, the apple campus, i met him once and he said, the office of the future must do what your home cannot do. what zoom cannot do. and so if the office didn't exist, imagine there were no offices, would we invent them? and if we invented an office from scratch, what would it look like? i don't know, but it wouldn't look like this. >> to walk around the apple campus, you would see how this is true. before people go, i don't think people know this about you. you made a big call on the january 6th insurrection day. you said, we're done. we're not renting out these airbnb for the inauguration. you were really worried about it and you got a lot of people who said it was a political move. you then went on to say, the company is not donating to any election deniers. can you just speak about making those hard decisions that some see as politically divisive in a moment like this, when america still feels so divided? >> this is really hard, when do we weigh in, when don't we weigh in? i don't consider us that much of a political company. there's a balance. we want to lead with values. at the same time, we have 4 million people in some nights

living together from nearly every country in the world with different political backgrounds and we have to be bridge builders, bringing them together. i have chosen to weigh in when there are issues that we know something about. when there was a travel ban in early 2017, we said, well, we know something about travel, so we're going to speak out against that. we spoke out against it. we even took out a super bowl ad. there are other issues we don't weigh in as much. i think it's really about do these issues connect to who you are as a company and what you stand for. >> and still no donations to election deniers? >> no. >> brian chesky, good for you for doing that. >> thanks for joining us. >> come back. just in, cnn has learned that president biden has told house speaker nancy pelosi that he actually hopes that she stays in her leadership position, this as she is set to announce basically any moment now her political future. >> plus, a quick shout-out. our friend adi cornish's new podcast out today.

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