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♪ hey there, i'm victor blackwell. welcome to "cnn newsroom." >> and i'm alisyn camerota we begin with end of an era on capitol hill. a short time ago house speaker nancy pelosi said she's stepping down from leadership. now republicans have won control of the house. >> never would i have thought that some day i'd go from homemaker to house speaker. [ applause ] in fact, i never -- and we great confidence in our caucus, i will not seek re-election to democratic leadership in the next congress. so maybe it's come for a new generation to lead the democratic caucus that i so deeply respect. >> this closes an important chapter in pelosi's trail blazing congressional career. she's the first and only woman to be house speaker.
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and she's represented herself in the district for 35 years. >> she's been second in line for the presidency, four presidencies, you see her here over the shoulders during the states of the union addresses. guiding has been protecting every american with inflation act and being a target of the right wing media. >> when i came to the congress in 1987, there were 12 democratic women. now, there are over 90. and we want more. >> house majority leader steny hoyer also announced that he will not run for an elected leadership position in the next congress. >> cnn's manu raju joins us now, manu, has been be the democrats' next leader and tell us what the mood is and reaction on capitol hill? >> reporter: well, we do expect to see change in the democratic leadership after nancy pelosi for two decades, the most dominant figure in her party,
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ushering through major legislation, someone who has been able to keep her caucus together in very difficult times that has a profound legacy, republicans, of course, criticize that legacy. democrats heralded that legacy. one that will be lasting, stepping aside and pave the way for a new leadership team. we do expect hakeem jeffrey, whose been in democratic leadership for some time, a 52-year-old democrat, expected to be the next democratic leader. he at the moment is expected to be the lone democrat running for that position, party leader. he's not formally announced his run. but it's widely expected he will do so. we do expect two democrats from his generation to consider running for the number two and number three spot. kathlyn clark of massachusetts and pete aguilar of california for the number two and number three position. this not only after pelosi announced she would step aside
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but steny hoyer as well. in addition, jim clyburn, the south carolina democrat, number three in his party leadership right now also indicated that he would support those three younger democrats to take their place. this indicates that potentially this could be a smooth transition if no other potential candidates emerge. it's uncertain, the leadership elections are november 30th, but the caucus had been a faction within the democratic caucus where it's been pushing for this generational change for some time. many pelosi recognizing that, cut a deal several years ago, saying that 2022 will be her last time as democratic leader. the end of this year. she didn't firmly shut the door, with some drama ahead of today, but making this announcement, now democrats are preparing for the next act. >> manu, republican leader kevin mccarthy was not there when speaker pelosi made this announcement. do we know where he was, or why he was not there? >> they haven't quite said yet, but they have had a very
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contentious relationship, the two of them over the years. he wasn't there. there were some republicans in the chamber. but it was mostly dominated by democrats who applauded a number of things that she said, as she went through her rise from being a daughter of a baltimore mayor, through her time through state politics. and ascending to the speakership, something that she said she never dreamed that she would do. and also discussing her time, serving under three presidents that she mentioned. >> i have enjoyed working with three presidents achieving historic investments in clean energy, with president george bush, transforming health care reform with president barack obama and forging the future from infrastructure to health care to climate action with president joe biden. >> the one president she did not mention, donald trump. she has served with four presidents as speaker of the
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house. did not mention him. of course, that will be a key part of her legacy, too. she led the impeachment proceedings making donald trump the only president in history to be impeached device, including, of course, after january 6th, when the rioters stormed her office and targeted her. >> the distinction was clear that she enjoyed working with three presidents although she worked with more. >> right. the math added up at some point. >> manu raju, thank you. so today, republican leaders soon to be in control of the house are previewing what the next two years will look like. they're vowing to investigate president biden, his family, the justice department and more. >> the white house has been preparing for just that for more than four months now. cnn white house correspondent jeremy diamond is here. so, this is going to be a big change for the president, how is the white house preparing? >> reporter: no doubt about it victor. this is a major inflexion point for joe biden's presidency, and months before we learned that republicans would take back the house, this is a house gearing
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up for that very scenario. it is by far among the earliest and most comprehensive investigation by the white house to prepare for the onslaught of investigations by the opposing party. and it began last spring with the hiring several key officials including attorney richard sober, the white house handling the response to this. ian sams, the white house spokesman hired anita dunn, to come back into the fold. key hires also made at the department of justice and department of homeland security. and over the summer, this team at the white house has been mapping out possible republican investigation. paying very close attention to the hundreds of letters that republican lawmakers have been sending to the agency with request for documents. they've been paying close attention to lawmakers, tv appearances where they've been telegraphing what they're going to do. and what they've also been doing is coordinating across the
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administration with key top lawyers at various agencies. one of those meetings, i'm today, took place more than four months before the election in the roosevelt room of the white house. top lawyers from the white house and department of homeland security, sitting down together, to map out the potential republican investigations. and also decide how they're going to respond to one of the things republicans have been threatening which is the potentially impeach the secretary of homeland security. and those meetings, i'm today, have happened with other agencies as well. lastly, a lot of hires are still going to come. they have a team of about ten lawyers at the white house handling oversight. more expected to be hired in the next two months. >> okay. thank you for the preview of all of that, jeremy diamond at the white house for us. with us now we have natasha alford, vice president of digital content at the grio and alyssa farah griffin, former white house director of communications. ladies, great to have you. natasha, congresswoman
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alexandria ocasio-cortez just told cnn that the end of nancy pelosi's era as speaker, she said, it will be a sea change in american politics. it will have profound ramifications. do you agree, and what will those be? >> so, i do agree that it will be a sea change. we have to first take a moment to appreciate how historic pelosi's time in office was. she's been in the office since 1987. for context, i was probably in preschool at that time. but often, she's been looked to as the adult in the room. right. she's somebody who's effective, she could get things done, she could rally the troops in a rather diverse democratic caucus. that kind of stability and someone who has guided the ship, i think it important for democrats with big shoes to fill but as nancy pelosi pointed to this is a moment for fresh ideas. and a moment where, you know,
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it's time tole move -- and i think a lot of people are ready for that. we so there were some tensions between pelosi, aoc and the so-called squad, right? and i think that that represents -- that, again, it is time to move forward. and there are a lot of people who are actually looking forward to this change. >> hmm, alyssa, for decades, republicans had used nancy pelosi to raise money. to excite the republican base, even on the night of the election. mccarthy said, we have taken back the house and put nancy pelosi into the minority. not the democrats. but her, specifically. how does this change shift the strategy politically for republicans? >> well, i just want to say first and foremost, love or hate nancy pelosi, you can't help but respect the hell out of her. so congratulations on that historic run to the speaker. listen, she has served as a bogeyman for the gop. she does help them with
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fundraising. i remember as long as 2010, the rnc inspired pelosi messaging. also it's a message from my party that she'll learn from. it takes leadership to acknowledge when it's time to pass the baton. and nancy pelosi is reading into the midterms seeing that gen-zers came out in droves, and that's the next base for democrats and time for different leadership. my party should take a lesson from that. we should think about new leadership in the house of representatives, which, you know, it's still an open question since kevin mccarthy has to get 218 votes on the house floor in january. >> we have this picture of nancy pelosi, natasha, where all the men sitting around the table, and the official white house photograph at the cabinet room table, this was when they had visited the white house to talk to trump about him pulling out -- pulling u.s. forces out
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of northern syria. bipartisan group in the house had opposed this, or in congress. and you know, she's standing there commanding the room. she's pointing her finger at trump. that's not the only time that she did that. and it just reminds you she was fearless in this way. you know, there were always times, i mean, there was always talk that there would be challenges to her leadership from within her party, as you point out there was tension within the squad. she just never -- she just sort of sloughed it off. never intimidated. i guess by the time you're 80 something, you've seen it all. >> and you've worked with other presidents. >> that picture captures. >> it's powerful, alisyn, she mentioned in the speech today, coming in there being just more than a dozen democratic women and now there being 90, right? she's witnessed history while also making history in office. and also saying there should be more. she's pointed to the fact that
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if we say we want america to truly be a democracy, that means everyone needs to be part of the democracy. to farah's point, you don't want it just to be associated with the promise of america. democrats have definitely captured and she's calling on them to capture that diversity. >> alyssa, after cnn has projected that republicans will control the house. the first news conference from house republicans is telegraphing their investigation of hunter biden. they ran on the trinity of the eco economy/border crime. why is that first? >> well, listen, it's totally not meeting the moment. the voters were very clear they want government that works. that's why we have a split government now. and they wanted the gop to
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resonate those that were those that you mentioned. but listen, this is a lot about kevin mccarthy getting his speakership in the house. the fact if he can't get 218 votes if he didn't cater towards the 30 most in his space within the house republican caucus, and those folks want to see this. they think that the top priorities are investigating hunter biden. which, by the way, i would note, he's already under investigation by the department of justice so the notion that is using taxpayer resources to do is just absurd from a conservative standpoint. i think this is going to back fire in 2024. they need to be focusing on kitchen table issues. >> alyssa farah griffin, natasha alford, thank you. so, investigators say they still do not have a suspect in that murder of four idaho university students. now there's new video. and russia ushers a new round of strikes on ukraine as
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♪ the autopsy have now been completed for the four college students who were stabbed to death in moscow, idaho. >> they were found dead early -- well, actually sunday afternoon. police think they were killed early sunday morning. and police are warning the community to stay on high alert because the killer is, quote, still out there. cnn's lucy kcavanaugh joins us. what changed? >> it's hard to know, moscow police characterized these killings as targeted attacks. as he pointed out yet in his first news conference on the
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case, the police chief backtracked, even though they still consider this to be a targeted attack. the fact is somebody brutally murdered four people with a knife. and that person has not been caught which is why the chief acknowledged the threat is still out there, urging folks to be vigilant, to watch their surroundings. and as we wait for the autopsy results, police now tell us two roommates who were apparently home at the time of the crime, as well as when police responded to that 911 call sunday. cnn has learned that both were cooperative, while idaho police are not confirming them as suspects, they're also telling us they have not ruled anyone out. we learned two of the victims ethan chapin and xana kernodle were at a party, while madison mogen and kaylee goncalves were
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home. all athem arrived at 1:30. cnn has retained video of madison and kaylee in the last moments. they were captured from a live twitch stream from a food truck. you see them waiting for their food. the video showing them chatting. now, the manager of the truck told cnn that the two students did not seem to be in any distress or any danger. we also did hear from a close friend of ethan chapin and xana kernodle who were very much trying to process what happened, these surprising murders that caught everyone off guard. here is the friend describing the death of two close friends. take a listen. >> it was a privilege to know such kindness. they were both amazing individuals. they had the most warm, amazing hearts. they touched so many lives on campus because of how truly welcoming and kind they were to
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every person that they ever met. they are the type of kindness that you make up and you remember. and they made you want to be better, kinder people every single day. >> and no was ethan's friend. ethan's dad issued a statement saying there's a lack of information from the university and police which is fuelling false rumors and innuendo in the press and social media. and said the silence further compounds the agony after our son's murder. now, victor, the agonizing wait continues. >> yeah. not just for the families but the entire community. lucy kafanov, thank you. joining pus behavorial analyst casey jordan. good to see you again. let's start here with law enforcement, the fbi, state police, are assisting in this investigation to try to find the suspect. but you say that the local police there are just in over their heads. explain that. >> well, i think the fact that
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they came forth and said we are sure this is a targeted crime, nobody needs to be worried. and then they walked it back, seems to indicate they may have jumped the gun. they have come to that conclusion probably because there is no sign of forced entry. but that doesn't mean that the kids locked the door when they came in at 2:00 in the morning. they may be operating on a theory that the perpetrator is known to at least one person in the house. maybe somebody who came home with them, to party more after the night out, they had, two of them at a party on campus. two of them at a downtown bar. but we have to realize there have been very disturbing campus stabbings in our history. ted bundy, danny rawlings, the gainesville ripper. now that they have the fbi and police involved, more experience, global experience, in these types of crimes, maybe
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they realized that they came to the wrong conclusion, or at least to expand their options moving forward with this investigation. >> i mean, yes, casey, there have been stabbings before. but not of four people. do you know how hard it is for one suspect to kill four people with a knife? that's unheard of, unless they were all -- i mean, it's hard to tie people up and kill people, one by one, if you're a sole assailant. >> entirely possible, however, alisyn, that they were all four asleep. again, it is really rare, but not entirely unprecedented, not four people all at once. keep in mind, they were partying. a lot is being made of the fact that there were two other roommates in this big house who i would, i'm going to guess, didn't hear a thing, because they were asleep. remember, when you guys were on college, you partied on a saturday night and you slept till noon on sunday.
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it's not entirely possible that this was a person known to them, but they can't rule out that it's random also. i think that people are frustrated because they want to know, is there somebody in our midst who is a stranger, is it random, and should other people be concerned. the police dialing that back and not really coming forth with a lot of information has people concerned. >> yeah. >> so, unless they tell us more, i'm going to tell you this, statis statistically, it's most likely a person known to him, came home with them, partying with them. we have seen crimes like this absolutely at random, nobody predicted and saw it coming pep hopefully, we get details soon. >> police say they were likely killed in the early morning hours but the 911 did not come until the afternoon. they're not saying who made that 911 call. but there is this detail that the chief said the call came in about an unconscious person.
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that was the report. however, the coroner said when they got there, there was blood all over the apartment there was a gruesome scene. is that someone that comes in if you call 911 when you say there's someone here who is unconscious. it doesn't match the report to what was on scene when someone called. >> yeah, victor. i think this is standard operating procedure of 911 operators. technically, only a coroner or an m.d. can declare somebody dead. i'm trying to envision, let's go with the theory that a roommate discovered and made that 911 phone call, the hysteria of somebody who has just discovered this bloodbath. all they can do is say, is the be person breathing? is the person able to give cpr? i think they were soft-selling it, as the call came in, i
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wouldn't make too much of their choice of language, it just seems to me they're sugarcoating it. the coroner was on record saying it was the most horrific bloody crime seen they've ever seen in their lives. i think it was an attack during the night which was a frenzy which is the biggest indicator it was somebody known to them. we just need the police to ask the public for help with tips. and really keep us in the loop with possible motives of perpetrators. because i think it's going to be tips from the public that leads them to the correct suspect. >> yeah, such a great point. and people can call 911 if you have any information, just call 911. casey jordan, thank you very much. first on cnn, january 6th committee interviews the lead secret service agent and then president trump's motorcade on the date of the insurrection.
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some new reporting first on cnn, the january 6th committee is interviewing robert engle. he's a lead secret service agent in donald trump's motorcade on the day of the capitol insurrection. >> you'll remember that former white house aide cassidy hutchinson testified in june she heard trump was irate when he found out he could not drive to the capitol. >> the president reached up towards the front of the week to grab at the steering wheel.
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mr. engle grabbed his arm, said, sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. we're going back to the west wing, we're not going to the capitol. mr. trump used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engle. >> cnn's sara murray join the us now, sara, what do we know? >> look, my colleagues zach cohen confirming that the committee is speaking with richard engel today. they had spoken to him before. before we got this bombshell from cassidy hutchinson that you're just playing. he knows there are huge allegations that we've heard from cassidy hutchinson and what we've seen over the last month or so, the committee diving into the allegations surrounding the secret service. what agents may have seen. you know, we know they've interviewed a number of individuals from the u.s. secret service and they're trying to wrap up that part of their investigation, while they wrap up their investigation more
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broadly ahead of congress in january. >> the one is pushing back at former vice president mike pence doubled down and said he's not going to offer any testimony to the committee. what's the latest there? >> well, there's a lot of playing out between the committee and mike pence, you know, the possibility, discussions behind the scenes, would they call on mike pence to testify, would they not. now that pence has his book out, he's flirting with the idea of 2024. he's also making it very clear that he doesn't have any interest in speaking to the january 6 committee. here's what he had to say about that. >> congress has no right to my testimony because understand the constitution of the united states, as vice president, we had two coequal branches of government. congress doesn't report to the white house. the white house doesn't report to the congress. to avoid what would be a terrible precedent, the very motion of a committee on congress, in congress, summoning a vice president to speak about
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the deliberations that took place at the white house i think would violate that separation of powers. >> now, pence has also said elsewhere that he was disappointed in how political the january 6 committee's activities have been. this is not sitting well as you might imagine with the committee. they put out a statement saying the select committee has proceeded respectfully and responsibly in our engagement with vice president mike pence so it's disappointing that he's misrepresenting the nature of our investigation while giving interviews to promote his new book. >> sara murray, thank you. and president zelenskyy is disputing the president's feeling that the missile that killed two people in poland was not from ukraine. cnn's new mission to find out what happened next.
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today, poland's president was at the site of that deadly missile strike that struck inside his country. cnn has learned that ukrainian officials are also on the ground there, joining u.s. and polish investigators. ukrainian president zelenskyy said it will not be possible to draw conclusions about who is responsible for the missile yet. >> but he added, he is convinced it is russia who is to blame. president biden said that the evidence indicates otherwise. cnn also has learned that the u.s. is running low on high-end weapons systems and ammunition to send to ukraine. we have natasha bertrand and oren liebermann up with us next.
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natasha, you're first on the new reporting into the investigation on that missile. what are you learning? >> reporter: when news broke that this missile had struck poland killing two people, we're learning that there was really a scramble, and underscoring the urgency there is the fact that president biden who was in bali at the g20 summit. we saw him speaking to president duda, biden was dressed casually in khakis. and the vice president speaking to their counterparts with trying to get information on what had happened, of key importance, of course, learning whether or not this had been a deliberate attack on poland, the nato ally. as news came in, as intelligence came in, as they spoke to their polish counterparts it's becoming increasingly clear, we're told according to intelligence, this was not a deliberate attack. that actually, it was more
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likely an accidental strike by a ukrainian missile. what we're told that the intelligence that the u.s. had been receiving based on only six of debris at the site, what the poles had been looking at and telling americans it all pointed to one direction that this was an anti-air missile that the ukrainians had launched. so, one of the really key issues that night was kind of getting everyone on the same page about what had happened. and that includes, of course, the ukrainians, guys. >> so, oren, you've been reporting also on the low weapons stockpile that the u.s. has to send to ukraine. and the effect that could have. so what does that mean? >> reporter: so critical distinction, we'll start here, is the u.s.' stockpile, what it keeps in plans for emergency and contingency situations that remains and will be untouched. the question is the excess here, what the u.s. has available to send. and these according to sources who spoke to cnn and officials
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were finite to begin with. we're now nine months into the war, we've seen repeatedly at the pace at which the u.s. sends the ammunition, the stinger, and the 155 artillery ammunition. all of this has been going over in plane loads in very large numbers since the beginning. and according to our sources some of the stocks of excesses that the u.s. could send are beginning to dwindle, because they were finite to begin with. what we just heard from lloyd austin and chairman mark milley, the aid, the supplies will continue. but there is now this international coalition, we've seen over the past three months, the ukraine content group as it's called to find available stocks and make sure they can get to ukraine. even if that involves putting together a system from one place and ammunition from another. that's part of the solution. the u.s. is also trying to ramp up its defense industrial base, making sure it can produce more weaponry and speed that up as
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needed. the u.s. for the first time in 20 years isn't at war after the withdrawal from afghanistan, so there wasn't this great demand to keep producing. but as we're seeing with u.s. providing ukraine, it's time to speed up that production once again since the expectation of this war continues. >> natasha bertrand, oren liebermann, thank you both very much. let's bring in the former ambassador to nato, he now serves on the chicago counsel of global affairs. mr. is ambassador, thanks for being here. it's interesting to hear natasha talk about the scramble, they had to wake up president biden, he was out of the country, and everyone had to be alerted and just how much cooler heads prevailed in that moment of confusion. and did not escalate. is that normally what happens when a bomb falls on a nato country? >> well, you would hope so. you would hope that if this happens again, the same kind of
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deliberative effort is made to find out what the facts are. the problem with war and the problem with having so many missiles flying across the skies of ukraine that we saw in the runup to this accident is that things can go wrong. and if they do go wrong, you got to figure out what's going on. so, the system works, in many ways. it churned through the process. an explosion happened. the poles went very quickly to the site to figure out what was going on. we looked at all of the intelligence that we might have, intercepts of conversations. trajectories of missiles that were being flown at the time. in order to get as much information as possible. and at the same time, the u.s. government and other governments were out there in force, starting with the president himself throughout our ambassador in poland or ambassador at nato were all making the case to say, let's find out what is going on before we decide how to respond.
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that can come later. depending on what the outcome of this investigation is, that can come later. so, i think cooler heads prevail which is what you would hope from your leaders. and not have people start immediately thinking about retaliation and how to hit the russians before you know what was going on. and i think that's what happened. >> ambassador daalder, what do you think about the ukrainians joining this investigation? president zelenskyy said they'll be there at the morning at the site in poland. they're not a disinterested party here. and the president's already said that it was a russian missile. do you think they should be there on scene, participating in the investigation? >> yeah. i think it's perfectly fine for them to be part of the investigation which is being led by the poles. there are u.s. personnel on the ground to help identify it, presumably others as well. having the ukrainians there is appropriate, given that it may have been and looks like it was
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a ukrainian missile. certainly, from their territory, or across their border. just to point out, i think president zelenskyy went a little farther ahead on the skis when he immediately said it was a russian missile. and sort of cornered himself and made it more difficult for him to admit the possibility that it might have been an accident. at the same time, let's be clear, none of this would have happened, unless the russians had invaded ukraine. and had launched close to 100 missiles, the largest number of missiles, in the war to date. on all kinds of ukrainian targets. so, the real fault here is with russia. it's not with ukraine. this is an accident that it couldn't -- it couldn't have helped. it means we need to provide, more better capable air defense systems to the ukrainians. and probably a lesson that we learned that perhaps the
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government, too, can learn is when something like this happens, let's find out what the facts are, before we start calling, as zelenskyy, did, nato to start intervening in this war. >> ambassador ivo daalder, thank you. former president trump's election announcement is playing a role. senator raphael warnock's campaign is up ahead with an a new ad. n just a name. and then you add it to the t tree. i found ship manifests. birth certificate. wow. look at your dad. i love it so much to know where my father work, where he grew up? it's like you discover a new family member. it's the greatest gift. now on sale at ancestry. ♪
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what can we expect to hear from the former president? i expect he'll speak in a few hours. >> reporter: hi, victor. we've heard from president obama speaking more and more about democracy, strengthening democracy, defending democracy and threats to democracy here in the u.s. and all around the world, certainly since the capitol insurrection. today he's going to be making remarks toenon this, and then joining a discussion from the global network. they'll be talking about challenges to democracies all around the world. i caught up with valery jarrett about what his message will be at this event. here's what she had to say. >> and we also have to think very strategically about building a culture of inclusion, not just inclusive catholicism, but in government. you hear people say, governments are not trusted the way they used to be. we the people can restore that trust and make it worthwhile for
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citizens to invest in their government, to vote and engage. >> reporter: another thing jarrett says was that president obama spend his entire professional life focused on democracy. the former president has also been talking about the dangers of disinformation for several years now, since long before his successor popularized terms like fake news. i was at the speech in ghana in 2009 just a few months into his presidency where he was praising that west african nation for its vibrant democracy and praising it for being a role model to the rest of africa, and in his farewell address in 2017 in chicago, the president also focused on the state of democracy. so this is not a new topic for him, but it's something that has seen increased urgency in times. this is one more interesting point i want to make here. president obama is the second former president this week to hold an event focused on defending democracy. president george w. bush held an event in dallas just yesterday. the two teams say they did not coordinate. it's a big coincidence, but a sign of the growing concern
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among members in both parties about threats to democracy. alisyn and victor? >> the closing messages of the midterm from the current and former president. >> it's a hot topic right now. >> athena jones, thank you. michelle obama is opening up about how she had to manage her image as the nation's first black first lady particularly when it came to how she styled her hair. she told her audience she decided to wear her straight instead of in braids as she would have preferred because she felt that americans were not ready to accept her natural hair. mrs. obama said she told herself, let me keep my hair straight. let's get health care passed. obama is currently on a tour for her third book "the light we carry: overcoming an uncertain times." that hits shelves this week. i get. i think she's right. i often feel america can't handle my natural hair either. i mean, honestly. >> very different, but i hear you. >> sort of except that i think
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black, white, male, female, we all conform to establish beauty standards. we just do. it's hard to break out of those. >> yeah, but especially for black women, and when you are the first black anything, you're a diplomat, and this role as the first lady of the country, she quite literally represents the country more than just black people, but, you know, the tan suit. when she wore shorts on air force one, i mean, this family was criticized in a way that few other families -- i'm not going to say no other family, but few other families were, and i totally understand what you are saying there. >> me too. >> sara sidner hosts michelle obama's mission, empowering girls. a conversation with michelle obama, amal clooney and hemelin gates. it's the end of an era. nancy pelosi says she will not seek re-election for leadership. now who will carry the mantle
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