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vertigo. their sense of loss, the resentment of change. and to tell them that their tradition, their values, their identities are under attack by outsiders. you add it all up, you've got a recipe for backlash, and polarization, and this sort of doctor slash membrane anything goes politics that you've seen era just about everywhere. >> he's also got a few things -- >> and it's dangerous. >> he has a few things to say about the new generation of leaders all around the world as well. that brings us to the big question in american politics tonight. who are america's new leaders, who will they be. nancy pelosi announcing she it is stepping down from the house after 20 years. some of the most familiar faces in our politics, everyone from joe biden, donald trump, to chuck schumer, mitch mcconnell. there is a theme, are you saying it? well, they've been with us for

years. decades. so, is it time for the passing the torch. and also, what sounds like a worker rebellion tonight at twitter. offices closed again, badge access suspended, again. all amid an apparent mass exodus of employees say, thanks, but no thanks, elon musk ultimatum to work quote, extremely hard-core, unquote. whatever that apparently means. more to come on that in a moment. they want to talk to -- cnn anchor and correspondent audi cornish, and liam donovan, former national senate aide, cnn political analyst kirsten powers. i'm glad you're all here today. every name i just mentioned. you are going back, i want your college in high school days, i remember when they were -- here we are at different times. speaker pelosi saying she's gonna pass the torch. but do we have a sense of this move to welcome a new

generation of leaders. is it reactive do you think, to the loss of the. how's or just the season she spoke of of time being here? >> nancy pelosi at promised four years ago, in order to secure votes to the speaker again that she would step down. so, this isn't something she just decide to do on a win. i would say, as a very embitter gen xer, the baby boomers really never go away, and there they all are, so, on the one hand that's how i feel on the other hand nancy pelosi is one of the most incredible speakers of the house. i find her to be almost irreplaceable. i think hakeem jeffries is incredible as a person. we'll see how he does. if he ends up in the job. she really is a once in a generation politician. >> she will go down in history as one of the greats. if not the greatest speaker of the house. so, when you look at it that

way. you say, it's good that she stayed. as long as she did. and she did mentor these people that are coming. up it's not like they don't know anything they don't know what to do. and she's also going to -- >> she still going to be in congress. but on that point, lena, you and i have talked about this in the past. the idea of the mentorship, we hear a lot of people in congress talking about the in valuable mentorship. either watching from the faye, before they want to run, or really in congress. probably on both sides of the aisle. she's a history maker in her own right. but have they done enough to cultivate and obvious and apparent down the line. the one, two, and three are stepping down. have they done enough? >> that's the issue. the big loss for the democratic party. and republicans. but if there's one critique that i think is valid when it comes to the 20 years that she spent in this position. not cultivating that next

generation, not having orders to transition. you've had a lot of future speakers leave the chamber. -- there's half a dozen that can rattle off on the top of my head. that are no longer. there was even the fact that we were up in the air as of today as to what her plans were. it gives you the sense of how chaotic this transition is. and how steep the learning curve is. >> first of all, i can't wait to hear your new podcast. it's phenomenal. because you always understand the assignment, but when we think about that. she understood the assignment. the idea of cultivating new leadership, at the same token, you remember it quite well. when -- the likes of congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez and others thought, look, i get that we need to have institutional knowledge in congress that's. important to know the ropes. but it also can be a hindrance and an anvil to have this notion of, we know how this works, as --

opposed to sort of blowing at this isn't from within and saying, here's how it should work. what do you see is this new generation of leaders is looking like? >> i want to come from a different angle. first of, all president obama was gen x. so, definitely had a shot. the reason i'm bringing that. up is you started with him. and under his terms in office, there wasn't necessarily a new generation of politicians who rose in his style, in fact i think you saw upwards of 1000 -- being lost. by democrats in state houses across the country. it sounds minor, this is about the pipeline. and when it comes to pelosi, she herself -- to take in and it's not given to. people of talk about steny hoyer being next. just anywhere didn't step aside because she seem like an extra -- she fought her way and. she took it. and the reason why no one has come up since, is because no one else has accomplished what she could do.

with the same superpower that she has so dissipate. . these are powers every lawmaker has. -- are you a legislative wins? or are you a really good show pony? and i think pelosi is really good at getting in front of the camera, taking this to people. we know she's a super fund-raiser, she's absolutely proven 20 years of legislative wizardry. >> speaking of the camera, a look at this screen. she's in front of how many different, or behind how many different presidents? this is one up for tearing up the speech, state of the union, i'm a comic moment for a variety of reasons. but as you pointed out, the idea of what president obama had to say. we're talking about, the new generation. here's what he had to say, just earlier today at the obama foundation democracy forum. about the idea of new leadership. listen. >> knowing our democratic culture will take decades if

not years. that is why the idea of a 61-year-old ex president or less relevant. then the idea of insights of a new generation of leaders, who are better attuned to the changes that are taking place around the world. and by the way, won't be the ones that carry democracies torch in the future. >> so kirsten, if i was a cynic i would say, he saying 61 year old former president is problematic, we've got an incumbent president who's got a couple more years than that. is he referencing that in a subtle way. this matter saying, look, i'm not the one to talk about the future. when i've got maybe excellent alternatives for the future in front of me. >> it's more likely the latter of what you said. i want to say, gen x did try to claim obama. but he's technically a baby boomer. trust me, we tried. so, i think he's talking more.

i want to say, when people are saying people need to step aside doesn't mean everyone needs to step aside. that's the issue i don't like the ageism, even around joe biden which is, he's too old, he's just -- if you have an issue with joe biden make an issue with joe biden. this issue is not the age. the same thing with pelosi, for ten years people have been saying she's too old. and she's one of the only people that can handle donald trump. so, it's not that there can be no people that are older. it's that what president obama saying, is we do need to cultivate younger people who have fresher perspectives, different perspectives. and start to bring up a new generation rather than being like, remember barack obama every time he comes on. it's like you can't always be that person. >> it doesn't seem to me to be an esoteric discussion about why you need fresh blood the. why you need fresh faces. young voters carried the day of these elections. the idea of trying to have

fresh leaders, new or, younger voices into a reflection of the fact that younger voters or the ones to say, excuse me, we've got a lot of power and we're gonna wield it? >> it's striking, ten days into what is now the 2024 election cycle. we seem to be on a collision porous between the same people that ran in 2020. again, both the -- and in light of the young letters that did turn out. it's particularly striking. so having president obama come in and remind us that, it's time to turn the page. it's on the republican side, trying to figure out how do we move beyond donald trump. or can we move beyond donald trump. it's that next generation of gen x, republicans -- >> this gen x, baby boomer -- was it's a really big issue. >> no, that's it. [laughter] >> i think you're making an assumption there about what that youth vote was about. we're going to know more soon. it could very easily have been that in the areas where you saw

that increase youth out it was about right potentially take it away. that conversation abortion. also about the election denialism and the perception of that and that was something taken from them rather than saying we have so much faith in the institution and government. we were also seeing the introduction of the first gen z candidates. but just saying thing i want to point out there, and this is my own way theory, the last decade has seen a lot of leaderless movements from this generation. starting with occupy wall street, black lives matter, these are movements that on purpose for diffuse. and more about sharing the spotlight, sharing the leadership. which is great. it doesn't mean that you necessarily produce a john louis, or something like that. because that movement was hierarchal. and it was patriarchal as we know. we're expecting the old rules to apply to a different generation. and what they like about aoc,

except dries about the ability to communicate on their level. i think even she is not gonna say, on the leader of this. on the voice of this generation. because that's not gonna fly with them. i'm not sure you're gonna see people crop up the same way as apollo sierra politician would, where your dad is a democratic mayor and you shake hands with jfk in your cotillion dress or whatever. it's a very different moment. >> it's a very visual black and white photo. >> it is. >> i'm doing this in my mind, the poll avoided shaking in my head and coming into frame. but it's a point well taken. the idea of whether that's transferable into politics more broadly. >> that same photo would need to be protesting in pelosi's office to have the same impact. look at me, i was there. >> also, i think if you remember some of the biggest fans of early sanders -- so, they're not always necessarily gonna go with a person who's younger. they're gonna go with a person who's talking about the things that they care about.

and so a lot of the people who were more skeptical about bernie sanders were older people, they tend to be more skeptical of older people because they're like, wait, i'm your age and -- >> how are you flying around the country. >> so, it's young people who are really looking for -- so they care about. which is a lot different than what you'll see from a lot of mainstream democrats. >> this radical thing about representative republics. we'll come right back in a moment. we'll hear more from former president obama. tonight, saying quote, we're gonna have to figure out how to live together, or we will destroy each other. oh my god, i almost try to tried to imitate his cadence. i don't know why that happened, i'll tell you what else he's saying, next. [ coughing/sneezing ] dude, you coming? alka-seltzer plus powermax gels with more concentrated power. because the only thing dripping should be your style! plop plop fizz fizz with alka-seltzer plus.

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deniers don't and either on election. [laughs] funny how that works. how many of them actually believe that some of the nonsense that circulates versus those who think it is convenient or a way to own the libs. or a way to send a message. or aligned themselves with trump. that is hard to say. but what is important is that because of some really concerted efforts in some important states, some of the most agree just, prominent, and potentially dangerous election deniers -- >> right. >> they got dumped. they got beat. >> well, that was the former president, obama, on the daily show tonight. and how much are we gonna miss trevor noah in that spot. okay, i will move on. but president biden made the fight for democracy central to the midterm message. and tonight, the man he served with, former president barack

obama, of course, is warning the fight for democracy is far from over. and making it very clear, it's not just a right force left or a republican versus democrats problem. and we are gonna talk all about it with -- she is back with, me liam donovan, and kirsten powers as well. and he made the, comment you, guys about there being a concerted effort on the trail. he was a part of that concerted effort. i mean, just look at the scorecard. he had a lot of skin in this game, frankly, in terms of when he was campaigning for people. and he had, what? 8 to 3 scorecard record there for people that he was campaigning for and talking about. those are really really good numbers that he had in terms of being there. but one thing that is fascinating, i think, liam. look, when president biden went out for his closing message to talk about democracy in peril, people fought, do you want to talk about the economy, sir? because that seems to be what the polls are doing. and then what happened, in the elections it seemed to be that

democracy was not only on the ballot, but election denialism was on the ballot as well. and now you have president obama saying it is still an issue. why do you think that is that he is making these cases even a week after the election? >> i think when you have an outcome like they did, beating all expectations, doing better than historically that any business doing. everything he did there is validated. and at some level, i think coming through and hitting on those things that work to make a lot of sense. particularly, as i said, we are in this 2024 presidential cycle as a practical matter. and the former president just announced, two days ago. so it is not a coincidence that even as prominent election deniers are conceding their elections, the biggest election denier of them all has entered into the ring. so i think that can't be a coincidence that obamas hitting those things. now. >> i want to extend even beyond the here into now in this particular country. because the statements today, even outside the daily show, former president spoke about, this is not falling on the conservative or liberal or democrat or republican access.

he talked about the broader themes of democracy on the world stage. listen to this. >> the threat to democracy doesn't always run along a conservative liberal, left right axis. this has nothing to do with traditional partisan lines or policy preferences. what we are seeing, what is being challenged, are the foundational principles of democracy itself. the notion that all citizens have a right to freely participate in selecting who governs them. the notion that votes will be counted. and the party that gets more votes wins. that losers concede. that power is transferred peacefully. that the winners don't abuse the machinery of government to punish losers. and entrenched themselves or make it impossible for other parties to compete in future elections. >> i mean, that access that he

talks about, the idea that, i mean, he is speaking more broadly from a higher perspective so to speak. what do you make of the argument? >> i, mean to be honest it feels a tiny bit late. it feels like he is maybe just woken up to coming out and talking about this. when 2016 came and went there was a discussion globally about the rise of populism and nativist movements. not just here in the u.s. in other parts of the world. and over the last few years, people have talked about authoritarian rule, here often in the context of who trump was sort of pals with so to speak. and i get the sense that maybe obama held back after he left office. like, he needed to do a little bit of a rest. and later on, with biden, he wanted to stay out of the way a little bit. but as a result, he kind of wasn't there at the forefront to kind of land these punches. and maybe this was a wake up call. maybe 20, maybe this election

was an opportunity for him to come, back so to speak. i, mean anyone else jump in. but it just feels -- like -- >> he didn't -- i want to play, this i want you to respond to, this, kirsten because when we talk about this in the past, as well. you know when he was on the campaign trail which is a counter to what he was doing right now. which is more measured and talking about this from a more esoteric, professorial perspective. he went that people on the campaign trail. i mean, listen to this. >> let's say you are at the airport. and you see mr. walker and you say, hey, there is herschel walker. heisman winner. let's have him fly the plane. you probably wouldn't say that. listen, it is easy to joke about doctor oz and all of these quack remedies he has pushed on tv. if somebody is willing to idle snake oil to make a buck and literally willing to sell snake oil to get elected. >> if you were trying to create in a lab a wacky republican

politician. it would look a lot like this guy. mr. masters, if kari lake is your governor, we know what she will be focused on. because donald trump told us. he said if somebody asked kari lake, how is your family? she says, the election was rigged and stolen. >> so, kirsten, do you see a tension between today's obama talking about having to figure out how to live together or we will destroy each other. and him recognizing, really, the reality of what the candidates were like. >> i think it is both and. i think you can do both things. i think that you can to be very clear about people who are dangerous and certainly it's reasonable to say these people were dangerous in terms of democracy. and to do your best to turn out voters. and you can pull the lands lens back and you can talk about the broader issue. now, he hasn't, you, know i don't know, i don't really read and watch everything that broke

barack obama does. but i do know in his book a promise land, he did use a very similar line in the book as to what he has said about, you, know we are gonna either learn to live together or we are gonna perish. and making the point that the world watches. that the world is looking at the united states because we are the biggest democracy that has people from every creed, from every race. from every ethnicity living in this experiment. and is it going to work. right? so it is not just democracy with a bunch of people would there for a long time. it's a democracy that has brought together all these different people all these different beliefs. and can we make it work? and is now an open question. and i don't think it was an open question for a lot of people in the past. and he made it very clear it was a very open question to him. >> yeah, i, mean the way you described, kirsten, it's almost like america has this perfect instagram filter of democracy. they want the rest of the world to look at it and say, hey, this is aspirational.

and he is pointing out that there are kinks in that particular chain. i wonder if you look at this as you are talking about the 2024 election. how is this gonna translate? does this actually get followed by republicans as well? >> you, know i think we are sorting that out on the republican side right now. what does the future look? like what do we want to look like? are we just gonna be along for the ride with donald trump and sit in the back and keep our hands and feet inside the vehicle? i think there are more and more people waking up to the fact that you actually have to stand up and do something. you cannot just expect that he is gonna fade away. so i think that is what republicans are grappling with internally right now. the battle lines are being drawn. i think there are obviously people who could stand to be the alternatives and how they proceed i think will determine how republicans head into 2024. >> a lot at stake, a lot to contemplate, the identity crisis is continuing to be here everyone. also, there is a developing

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turmoil spreading tonight at

twitter, where there appears to be some kind of mass exodus of workers who are rejecting elon musk's ultimatum to work extremely hard core, which he simply defines's long hours at high intensity. but how many hours? and how highly intense? what does that mean? well, no one knows, but a lot of employees didn't care to wait to find out, and they just said goodbye. cnet cnn's senior media reporter oliver darcy is here with more. all over, there's a lot happening, it seems every other get twitter, a mass exodus appears to be underway, and they're rejecting that 5 pm deadline of today, that ultimatum, and now i hear their own closing their office buildings. why? >> yeah, it really feels like twitter is taking its last gap gasp here. if you look on twitter right, now the top trend right now worldwide is our ip twitter,

that's because scores of employees have seemingly resigned from twitter, rejecting a law masks ultimatum. let's take viewers back, musk earlier this week gave twitter workers, the people who are remaining after those mass layoffs, earlier this month, he gave them a choice. work hard core, or leave the company with three months of severance. it seems like a large amount of people have decided to leave the company. they don't want to work hard core. that's throwing the future of this platform into utter chaos. i've been talking to people all day, one former executive for recently accident, tell me that with all these departures, it's gonna be hard to even just keep the lights on over there. and so, now, with all these departures, people remaining, the management has suspended badge access into twitter's offices, presumably because they're afraid that employees who are technically no longer employed at twitter, can potentially sabotage things.

i'll read you the statement, or emails he sent staffers. it, says effective immediately, we are temporarily closing our -- we goes on to say, we >> if you say, this and talk about the light keeping, on i talk about security. who's guarding the henhouse? who's ensuring it even operates in functions in any meaningful way. and there's also this moment you're talking, about you're talking about this hard-core intensity. he seemed to soften his stance, oliver, of getting rid of remote work. just earlier today, just the latest backtrack on his plans. i wonder how this whiplash is really landing, i think people are still employed, waiting till monday if there that is gonna work again. >> everyone is confused, that's the short answer. i was told earlier today the

management was really worried, that they weren't going to be able to retain talent. i think it was becoming clear that a lot of employees were just gonna leave twitter altogether. sources told me that they were scrambling, trying to get people to stay. elon musk seem to recognize, that all read you part of the no he sent to the entire company. when he softened his stance on remote work, he said earlier today, we regarding remote work, all that is required for approval is that your manager take responsibility for ensuring they are making an excellent contribution. he went on to say that basically people could work remotely as management of oked it. recently, i think you're even seeing musk digest some of this news. he just tweeted moments ago, about how heat turned large fortune into a small one, and there it is on screen, how do you make a small fortune in social, media started with a

large one really kind of putting into context of what is happened to his 44 billion dollar purchase of the company. >> wow, you forgot to add the end of that those by the way if any of the reporters were supposed to essentially cosign that you are working if they're not truthful, goodbye as well many other sort of coded language,, the idea that new tweet a lot, of cows happening there oliver, nice to see you. >> we'll see how long twitter stays. up >> i won't hold my breath. >> as well as a about that,, thank you nice emu. well as parents, we are passionate about what our kids are learning in school, but next, how culture wars in the classroom impacts of the midterms.

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>> there are schools all over the country echoing with the cries for parents rights. getting louder and louder over the last few years, if you haven't noticed. and it is becoming a big focus of the midterms. at least it was. whether the fight is over a covid protocols or arguments over teaching about race and lgbtq plus issues, the chaos at schools becomes, well, part of the national conversation. and it is continuing. >> calm down! calm down! >> we know who you are! we know who you are!

>> [inaudible] >> you will never be allowed in public again. >> i am gonna come for everybody that comes at my kid with this stupid ridiculous mandate to hate others because of their skin color. you are forcing them to lie about other kids gender. i am disgusted by your bigotry and your depravity. >> no more masks! no more masks! no masks! >> right here, look, right here. so, as you can see, fists are now flying. all of this on live television. fists are flying. >> wow, every time i see. that well, we've been looking adi cornish has been looking into all of this on her brand-new podcast, it is called the assignment. >> we can't just focus on the presidential election anymore. what happens on the local level is most important and it

affects the most important citizens of this country. that is our children. are there a lot of informed voters out there, yes, are there a lot that are absolutely -- to some extent, to make it a more partisan race, it helps those that are low information voters make a decision based on upon with the belief. >> this podcast is phenomenal, and it really taps into an issue people have been talking a lot about, and the idea of parental rights under this big umbrella term. it exploded. how consequential was this notion in the midterms. >> i don't think we can know that for sure or yet. the reason why i wanted to focus on it is because of those videos that we saw. what happened to those people? how did they channel that energy afterwards? and it turns out that a movement that started out about covid policies ramped up because of crt and kind of flipped over because of lgbtq rights. it has now become a national movement with pacts that actually pour money into local

races. there is a group called 1776. there is a group called moms for liberty which has more than 200 chapters around the country. and ron desantis has made education a very specific part of his anti woke agenda. which means he is now actually backing candidates, you can sign a pledge and say ron desantis backs me. you can draw on his political halo, so to speak, as you are reaching out to candidates. so i think what we wanted to do was just live with those people wait for a minute. talk to them about how they got activated and what they want to do. with the power that they have. now because school boards to have tremendous powell at the local level. >> speaking of that is, you look at places like virginia, where you have governor glenn youngkin who really tapped into a during covid-19. he talked about the idea of -- there is actually a change in what is happening in their proposed new education standards. i want to show you on the screen, kirsten, what this looks like. for example, the old version for in terms of racism, this is

one of the areas you are talking about. the old version talked about racism, prejudice, discrimination and antagonism. a variety of other issues. the new version would have no mention of these issues. in terms of climate, for example, a different education standard. that would have been using information resources and other visuals to identify and determine location, climate, et cetera, the new version talks something very different. and you've got a bit of a, i don't know if it is a bleaching or a, i hate to call it sanitizing, because it is just that these topics, kirsten. they somehow must be removed. >> bleaching is a great, we're actually. >> what do you think about? >> yeah, i think, first of, all i just have to say, you know, watching the video of this white man screaming and yelling at the top of his lungs. and the right thinks that this is totally normal behavior. it just makes me think, like, there was a viral video like three or four years ago but a black college student clearly screaming at somebody. and the right thought it was the most heinous thing they had ever seen in their lives.

right? >> now these adults, right, parents are screaming and yelling and threatening people. something is very wrong with that. now, if you are upset, you have a right, you know, you have a right to be upset about things. you have a right to have a perspective about things. you don't have a right to do that. and you don't have a right to be intimidating and scaring the people who are working on the school boards. so, you know, what it sounds like it is there are people that are trying to have their political views recognized in what is being taught to children. >> what they argue is that already political views are being taught their children and that's why they think they are a counterbalance to that. >> yeah, except, it is not a political view. it is not a political view that there is climate change. there is not a political view. so i don't think, there are some things that i think when i was reading about it where i was, like you know what, this is on the line. i can kind of see where they are coming from. but some of the stuff where it's like, look, my parents were educators. they were professors. they have a lot of issue --

they never behave like this. >> liam, what's your thought? >> what we just witnesses that is the fever pitch. you mentioned, this midterm, it wasn't a key issue. but it was a year ago in virginia. i am a virginia voter, virginia public school parent. -- there was a moment where terry mcauliffe stepped in by saying that parents didn't have, they touched this nerve. i think this is all downstream from the fact that during covid when people were home helping teach their kids or at least alongside their kids, as they are. there are schools all over the zooming people got a peek into the education system in the curriculum in ways that were completely unfamiliar. and i think that led to concerns and lead to further scrutiny and a level of paranoia that dovetails with the broader distrust of institutions that have really characterized our politics in the last six years. >> sounds like a podcast you've gotta listen to. and of course, it is called the

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michelle obama opening up this week a better dilemma many black women face. whether or not to wear natural hairstyles. the former first lady revealing that she considered wearing braids while living in the white house. but after some thought, decided against it. saying that americans weren't, quote, ready for her natural hair. instead, she kept her hair straight, as the country adjusted, she said, to a black first lady and family in the white house. back with, me already carnage, and also karen finney is here. joining us also as former white house official and montgomery city council member will jawando. think glad to see you all here. the fact that we have talked in the past and we'll continue to talk with this issue, the idea of the pressures that are imposed to have conformity. the idea of what we consider to be professional, what we consider to be beautiful, what is punishable. and how we take people seriously based on their appearance. we are aware of this. but hearing it from a former

first lady about that pressure in the white house. i found it particularly striking. given that we knew that there was a lot at stake, and a lot of eyes on them. what did you make of that? >> well, first of all, i thought, sister, america wasn't ready for a black woman in the white house, period. let's just start with that. but also, as i read through what she said, i understood the first black family, the first black president. she also understood, you know, i worked for hillary clinton in the white house. and the first lady takes on a lot of whatever our cultural baggage is about women. i remember the first time she wore chance it was, you know, reach people out. >> sleeveless photo. but in the portrait, remember that? >> yes, yes, for michelle, she rightfully understood what is -- listen, i don't wanna create a distraction. we can all think it is ridiculous that it would've created a distraction. >> no, it was imposed on. here the politics of fear -- made that pretty clear. it was, like obama as the

political terrorist. and her just the mere styling of her hair in that image was supposed to signify militancy and violence -- it comes from the mind of an artist who at the time, given his age, would have those associations of sort of the black panther activists violent type things. and it was out there. >> i also want to bring in wil l into this conversation, because i think we also talk about the crown, act obviously passed in the house and still waiting for a chance in the senate whether it will get it or not. the idea that for many people the idea that you could actually be punished, not just not respected, but punished for not looking appropriate as bleak in the workplace. well, men are part of this conversation as well. very much. so i mean, i can zoom in on

your hair if you want. you've got it tightened up. >> it is all natural up top. >> thinking about, i mean, you and your perspective, this is not just a conversation about black women and hair. >> no, it is about black people, and is about anti-blackness. it is about the centuries of effort that is put in to save it. everything about us, our lives, our hair, our backsides, our skin color is negative. and that the epitome of perfect and the standard is white. and that has, you know, when it was really sad. i have a michel at home. karen knows, who when our daughter came home and said, mommy, i want my hair to look straight and pretty like the girl on tv, you know, we have all black dolls we have all black books. i mean, we have, if you know, that seeps through the culture. and i am glad michelle obama

talked about the first lady talked about it. because it was a real consideration. it's something that every day black people, particularly black women are getting up and making the decisions about hieronymus off to the world. the crown, actually passed it -- the first county in the nation to pass it. maryland is one of the 19 states that has passed. but it is such an important protection because it not only gives you legal protection, i don't know if you saw that young man who was on the mask, the wrestling.

that >> had to cut off his drafts >>. while he was, standing while he, credulous teammates watched him. every couple of months you hear the cycling of someone not being able to graduate or go to school because they have locks or braids or twists. so it is still a big issue. >> social parity, for sure, every time i ever come on television prior to taking this job i straightened my hair. and when i decided not to, every single day it has been difficult. you know, every single day i felt awkward. every single day i thought, is this the right thing to do? >> now? >> yes, of course, i am the only one doing it. right? i go into hair and makeup and there is no one else wearing their hair this way. so the signals are very strong, culturally. i want to add one more thing in the time we have left. her being able to say this now, in some ways, it is a signal about the end of respectability politics, which is the sort of generational criticism. it says that there is nothing you can do to yourself that will make you equal in the eyes of someone who is racist or harbors racist ideas. and therefore you shouldn't be doing all of these things because that is not gonna get you there. the activism is gonna get you. there >> ketanji brown jackson, with her braids and little girls getting their legal wigs with their rates for halloween. i mean, we have moved from where things were as the first lady. and i hope that more little girls look at ketanji brown jackson and other women with natural hair and decide based on what makes them feel good, not based on -- >> i'm sorry, this just came, in though, i want to make sure gets on air. this came into my ear that adi cornish's hair is beautiful. did you all get that?

that was breaking news. let it, stay letter perpetuate, everyone in there. will you to, karen you too, i mean, you know. congratulations again on the new podcast, audi, i would love to see, it would love to hear. it can check it out wherever you get your podcasts. it's called the assignment with audi cornish everyone. and for more, michelle obama, make sure you tune in this sunday night at 8:00,, sarah sidner hosts michelle obama's, mission a conversation with michelle obama, amal clooney, and melinda gates. and next, everyone, two former presidents, a former vice president, the speaker of the house, all laying out their visions for the future of this country. so whose vision is going to win? we will talk about it next. le! plop plop fizz fizz, with alka-seltzer plus cold & flu relief. also try for fizzy fast cough relief! seatgeek presents boomstick lady. seatgeek helps her find the perfect seat, so she can sit where her boomsticks make the biggest boom. oh, okay!

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