we know more about the roommates. >> reporter: charles ramsay also says a key focus of the investigation will likely be the social media footprints of all four victims, which can provide clues on who they might have communicated with on social media, whether any threats had been made to any of them, and who else they might have met up with that night. wolf, a lot of gaps they've got to fill here. >> a lot of work to still be done. thanks very much, brian todd. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." thanks very much for watching. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. outfront next, trump fights back, refusing to cooperate after the attorney general names a special counsel to oversee two federal trump investigations. is the justice department getting close to charging trump? plus, he's a star in the republican party. he may very well run for

president. governor chris sununu on why trump's not the answer in 2024. he's my guest tonight. and heavy fighting in eastern ukraine tonight as putin makes a rare appearance at a security council meeting. what happened behind closed doors? we're live tonight in moscow. let's go outfront. good evening. i'm erin burnett. outfront tonight, trump lashing out, slamming the department of justice after attorney general merrick garland announced he's appointing a special counsel to oversee two federal investigations involving former president trump. now, trump is saying that he will make a public statement tonight. and earlier, he told fox news in part, quote, i hope the republicans have the courage to fight this. i'm not going to partake in it. i'm not going to partake in this. he doesn't have much say in the matter, but this comes after garland said this. >> based on recent developments, including the former president's announcement that he is a candidate for president in the next election, and the sitting president's stated intention to

be a candidate as well, i have concluded that it is in the public interest to appoint a special counsel. >> so the special counsel will be jack smith. he's a longtime justice department prosecutor, and he will oversee the criminal investigations into both the retention of classified documents at mar-a-lago -- that's one -- and the other one, parts of the doj's january 6th investigation. now, the possibility of a special counsel was something that trump's lawyers have been dreading, and the doj investigations are something that trump has railed against publicly for months. >> the fbi and the justice department have become vicious monsters. the weaponized department of justice and the politicized fbi are spending millions and millions of dollars on this continued witch hunt. the gravest threats to our civilization are not from abroad but from within. none is greater than the

weaponization of the justice system, the fbi, and the doj. >> well, trump has good reason to be afraid. prosecutors sent out several new subpoenas related to both investigations in recent days, and the deadlines on some of those subpoenas are as early as next week. they're not waiting until after the thanksgiving holiday. they're doing it right away. and we're learning from multiple sources that some of the people in trump's orbit who were subpoenaed in the doj january 6th probe at this point have recently been given dates in the near future to appear before the grand jury. and many had hoped and believed the investigation had slowed or stopped. you thought it had gone away because you had not heard from the doj in weeks. then sort of lying there in wait, all of it comes out. we have all the angles covered on this tonight. i want to start with evan perez in washington. this is a historically significant move, right? a special counsel on criminal investigations into a former president of the united states who's running to be president again. why did the doj think this move

was necessary now? >> reporter: well, the irony, erin, is that the former president announced that he was running for office a couple days ago. in part, people around him said, was because he thought it would insulate him from potential charges, from the justice department. and instead, you heard it from merrick garland, the attorney general, that that, in fact, triggered this move to appoint a special counsel. they appointed jack smith because you have these two investigations that are ongoing. and by the way, now we know certainly from the announcement that the attorney general made today that at least with regard to the january 6th investigation, the effort to impede the transfer of power, donald trump is at the center of that. we've known obviously that he was being investigated for the mishandling or the alleged mishandling of classified documents at mar-a-lago. now, smith is going to be taking over an investigation that's already well under way. we don't know whether this means charges are very near, but one thing he did say in a statement, he said that the pace of

investigations will not pause or flag under my watch. that's an indication that he believes he can hit the ground running once he takes over, erin. >> so jack smith, who is he? you've got new reporting on who he is and why garland picked him? >> reporter: yeah. he's a war crimes prosecutor, which i'm sure is one of the things that is bothering the former president, right? you're bringing over a war crimes prosecutor from the hague. he's also got a longtime history, ran the public integrity section here in washington at the justice department, worked at various positions in doj as well as the manhattan d.a.'s office. and we're told that, you know, the justice department looked at a number of people, former judges, former doj officials, and they arrived at jack smith in part because they believed that he could survive what we expect is, of course, the partisan scrutiny. they believe he is going to emerge as someone who is independent, straight down the middle, and, you know, will be able to make these decisions, which in the end, of course,

he'll have to make under the rubric of the justice department with merrick garland at the top. >> right. okay. thank you very much, evan. of let's go to christian holmes now. kw you've been speaking to your sources around the former president. what are they telling you about trump's mind set and what we should expect to hear from him. he's made a decision to respond tonight? >> we're told the former president was angry before the announcement at the prospect of a special counsel. this of course, having to do with his relationship or his experience with robert mueller and he believed that this would draw out these investigations. that anger has just continued. now, if this statement is anything like what we saw in that fox digital interview, it will be a lot of ranting, talking about how this is political. talking about how he is the

victim. and when it comes to that statement, there were members of his inner circle and more than one who i called and they were asking me what i was talking about when they learned about this statement he was making. many of his advisors do not believe this is a good idea. one person familiar with the thinking said this is more likely to be a rant than any kind of actual statement. one thing to really pay attention to here is that this is not entirely shocking to trump or his team. both his legal team and his campaign were prepared for this to possibly happen, for the prospect of a special counsel. he was warned by advisors he would not be protected if he was announcing a 2024 please terrib -- presidential bid. they didn't know it was coming today but knew this had the potential to happen, erin. >> absolutely. thank you, fascinating reporting, really when you say kristen is calling people around trump and say what? he's making a statement tonight? that's hugely significant.

"outfront" now ryan goodman special counsel at the department of defense and justice security blog and john dean. ryan, you know, interesting right as evan is pointing out, part of the pressure for trump to announce he was running to insulate himself from possible indictment. how likely, what does this do to that rubric going to a special counsel whether the ind indicted? >> it waratchets up an indictme. it means they're sitting on a mountain of evidence, they know what is there. so to bring in somebody like jack smith and for jack smith to leave his current job to do this, he's not coming in to wind something down, i think it ratchets it up and escalates the investigation if there is an indictment. it's more beyond reproach and that's in the mind set of attorney general garland. if that was the former

president's intention, it seemed to backfire. >> do you agree this increases the likelihood of indictment? >> i do. you don't bring a special counsel in when you wrap up a case so i think they have an awareness of the dimensions of the case. there is a real conflict of interest here as garland explained, you've got two candidates running for president and he works for one of them. so he's put it in the hands of an independent thinker, if you will. >> so ryan, does this -- does this speed it up, the timeline? they have a mountain of evidence. you've been clear and ty cobb former white house attorney there is the evidence exists in mar-a-lago. the january 6th is the other investigation. does this change the timeline of an indictment? >> so, i think there is reason for people to be a little worried does it slow itdo down? i don't think so. the mar-a-lago investigation seems straightforward in a

pretty circumstantial set of facts. if anything, i even think it compared to the baseline could speed things up a little bit. so for example, we had recent reporting that the justice department had not enforced the subpoenas that sent to the fault e welcome tor -- false electors in arizona. he'll make sure they're leaning forward on those kinds overoverf things and this could compare to the baseline what we were seeing. >> interesting. you say eastern district of new york, war crimes prosecutor. incredible experience. john, the closest parallel to this situation is nixon and tonight, the president, the former president has come out and he's put out a post saying that he's going to be speaking. and the people closest to him didn't know about it. can he do damage to himself even more right now, john, by doing something like that? >> he certainly can. anything he says at this point, he knows he's the target of an

investigation so he's speaking directly to what is going on and he could get himself in a whole heap of trouble. he has a propensity to do that and sometimes it's not very wise. his earlier statement he wasn't going to get involved, he's just contra ddicted himself by getti very involved. >> right. giving a speech about it. to that point, the statement i'm not going to partake in this. does he have a choice to partake or not partake? >> he does not. it's not -- it doesn't register in legal language to say i'm not going to partake in this investigation. many a suspect or defendant may say i don't want to partake in the investigation of myself but it's meaningless. it doesn't make any sense with respekts ct to the law. the law will decide what happens to him. i don't know if what he's trying to do is speak more to followers about i'm above this in a

certain sense but as a legal matter, it makes no difference whether or not he wants to partake. >> john, the number of republicans are responding that the justice department should also point a special counsel and its probe of the president's son hunter biden. the senator john cornyn who is a member of gop leadership said this is an admission of a conflict of interest by the doj, now acknowledge the obvious conflict of interest in a hunter biden investigation. the attorney overseeing the hunter biden investigation was appointed by then president trump and still in charge of that investigation but is there anything to this line of thinking that the doj should appoint a special counsel for hunter biden, as well? >> no, i think that was effectively handled when they assumed power when there wasinv. the president and his attorney general obviously left it in place with one of trump's appointees. that isn't a conflict. that isn't something that rises to the level of a special

counsel. it's just knotnot necessary. the other thing is the hunter biden investigation sounds pretty plain vanilla and ordinary and what have you if there is any truth in what is being said and this -- week talking about a different level with a potential prosecution of a president. that's why it's also appropriate to have a special counsel. >> right. a former president and someone who is running for the white house as this goes on. thank you both very much. next, does the announcement of a special counsel make weary republicans even more likely to finally jump off the trump train? i'll ask the republican governor chris and the father of a victim, one of four of the college students stabbed to death in idaho. he says a code was needed to get past the front door. plus a cnn exclusive, michelle obama on self-doubt and second guessing. >> we as women, we as people of

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examining the language to the special named counsel, the probes of handling classified documents and his actions on january 6th. this comes as kaitlan collins reports they only learned about the special counsel when the rest of the world did and didn't get a heads up from the doj. chris sununu that just arrived in las vegas for the annual jewish coalition that will feature many 2024 candidates. you're on the list. the former president is not there tonight. i want to talk about that meet income a minute because it's an important one. first the news today. what is your reaction to the breaking headlines that the justice department has appointed the special counsel to oversee the january 6th and classified information into president trump? >> the former president will have his hands full for quite

sometime. he'll make some type of announcement tonight. the fact the former president is making a press announcement at 8:30 on a friday night, i guess i'll be like the rest of america and catch it on youtube tomorrow morning. so who knows what will be said and where it will go. we have a job to do. my focus on new hampshire and the message for the republican party is going and the president will have to carve his path. >> first off, he's the only one that's declared he's running in the party. he wants to get the ball and say there is nobody, i'm not passing, you've been direct and said you'd have a hard time supporting him in 2024. does this new situation and this special counsel impact you at all? are you completely off the train and think it's time for the gop

to move on? >> the gop is moving on. he can't be the nominee in 2024 i'm not saying but we'll have a lot of candidates. he's not going to clear the field for anybody. there will be a lot of messaging and hopefully a lot of results. republican havess have to deliv. if the party wants to do well, the senate, congress, governors have to deliver on what we told the american people we'd do. we had our cycles where we don't do that. my big message to the republican party is get it done. huge opportunity here to do something. we got to show the american people we're up for it. >> what do you think when you talk to others and you're all susta feeling each other out, what does everybody do? does he wallow in this pool with the special counsel or what? >> i don't think anyone cares about the former president's

path. the rest of the folks will probably wait a long time. you won't see candidates say i'm running for president until maybe next summer to be honest. there will be candidates advocating for themselves or issues or frankly getting stuff done and as a governor, i got to balance a budget in the next two months. that's a hard job. i'll be busy with that. as an elected official, you have to do your job. we're the whole '24 stuff goes i'll watch closely because i'm the governor of the primary. i'm the referee a little bit. we want -- there will be -- i'm sure they will be coming up and making visits over time. anyone that wants to get in this race is going do and nobody will be dictated by the former president's schedule. >> i want to talk where you are. you're in las vegas addressing this very important group, the republican jewishcoalition, 2024 hopefuls there, ron desantis, mike pence, nikki haley, trump is not there but

will speak via satellite. there is oanother opportunity t see what he says. you've been very vocal republicans need a new direction and you need to connect with new voters. what will that direction look like in your speech? >> i can tell you, i don't know if it's a new direction. i think we got to get back to the basics, the foundations of what republicans are about, limited government and low taxes, local control, individual responsibility. these have been the ten tants o the republican party for a long time. i get extremes on both sides but the extremes had the microphones for awhile. that makes exciting news. they really don't represent the core of where this party is and i think the core of what we're truly about. it not changing a direction. it's getting refocused and positive and getting inspirational. you know, nothing frustrates me when i see my peers on a news program or social media yelling and complaining and negative and all of this. part of the job of leadership is

not all rainbows and unicorns but you got to bring something to the table to inspire the next generation and inspire the independent voter and individual that has been marginalized to to be part of something that is frankly bigger than ourselves. when i'm governor, this isn't about me. right? it's so much bigger than me. so we have to bring that attitude to the table and be engaging and accessible. there is a whole huge opportunity to reexcite folks on what the republican party is really about, get some results, show that we can get it done and we can deliver in '24. >> governor sununu, thank you very much. >> you bet. and next, heavy fighting in eastern ukraine tonight as vladimir putin makes a public appearance at a security counsel meeting for the first time since the invasion and new tonight, law enforcement releasing a map detailing the last movements of the idaho stabbing victims. as the father of one of them says you actually need a code to get in the front door of the home where the homicides took place. ort immune function.

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appearance at the meeting of a security counsel since the first time since february when this began. besides of a brief clip of the meeting that aired on state tv with putin and key members of his inner circle together, the rest of the discussion, the rest was behind closed doors. fred pleitgen is in moscow. what more can you tell us about the meeting? the first time since february and putin's first in-person appearance. >> reporter: yeah, the first in-person appearance was important. the clip we're showing is pretty much all that russian state media showed of the meeting but did make sure to show it very prominently because this is key messaging coming from the kremlin. on the face of it, the topic of the meeting was civil defense, a domestic issue if you will. if you look at the list of participants and see some people in the clip that we've been showing, it's the foreign minister. it's the head of foreign intelligence. it's the defense minister, as well. a pretty big meeting designed to show vladimir putin holds the

reigns of russia security apparatus in the face of russia's war in ukraine. there had been questions about that especially after vladimir putin stayed largely silent after russia with drew from kherson. you recall it was the defense minister talking and the general in charge talking but putin pretty much going to a different event. not even being associated with that military loss that the russians suffered there. so now it seems like the russians believe that enough time has passed that vladimir putin needs to show he's in control of that once again and the russians also believe that they have some momentum going on on the battle field, as well and it's a bit awkward because the thing they're really putting out there is the fact that the russians are hitting ukraine's key infrastructure. one of the things that we heard from the military is they once again said they hit csome ukrainian command and fuel and energy infrastructure and the russians putting that out there.

where after course, we know from the ukrainians it's actually a lot of civilians being killed and hurt in those attacks that are taking place by the russians. one other thing we picked up on today, erin, i thought was important is that the kremlin spokesperson said about a possible dialogue with the west as a possible bridge towards talks between ukraine and russia, as well. that's something that we're also going to keep an eye on, erin. >> fred, thank you very much live from moscow late tonight. "outfront" now the former commanding general for the u.s. army and europe. glad to have you back. so, fred is talking about kherson, right? the significance, right? this was huge for putin when he had it and had it for months and this withdrawal, so, you know, what message do you think putin is trying to send with this meeting where he's appearing with people in his inner circle frankly he has not been seen with side by side in months. >> well, erin, thank you and as

us usual, fred does a very good job. i would agree completely with his assessment of why the kremlin decided to broadcast that putin was taking this meeting, that the big guy is in charge, things are under control which is always an important part of the image management of the kremlin and as fred pointed out, the fact he was -- tried to distance him from the catastrophe of the withdrawal from kherson. so this seems like classic kremlin image management. >> right with them in person, when the war began, he was at the end of the long table, a lot of stuff was by video. this was in person in a normal setting. but now the context here is kherson and the loses russia faced there but right now, as we speak, general, there is fierce fighting along the front lines in eastern ukraine and the u.k. defense ministry says russia

will likely escalate attacks there, they have taken back some areas in the kherson region that ukraine had managed to get control of again. so where does this happen? it doesn't look like -- i mean, i know we use the word withdrawal from kherson but it seems that may not be where this is going. >> well, i think that the russians, the kremlin are trading bodies for time. they're feeding in these untrained recently mobilized soldiers, the ones -- the men not lucky enough or smart enough to get out of russia when the mobilization started. >> yeah. >> and now they're fed into the fight and the kremlin is trading bodies for time. they're objective now. they have no hope of actually winning this war. their only hope now is to string it out long enough that all of us get weary and tired of it.

the combination of constant fighting along the front, particularly around the area where thousands of people are going to be fighting and thousands of these untrained russians will be killed or captured and at the same time, the targeting of civilian infrastructure is all designed to put ukrainians on the road into western europe, which will put pressure on capitalists, to put pressure on kyiv. so this is their strategic -- >> that's the strategy to force a negotiation. in the context of this, you talk about this situation for the russian forces. we have a new video from inside russia, newly surfaced video. it claims to show soldiers in the region of moscow complaining about the poor quality of their bulletproof vests, right? so we're not talking about some of these that we've seen out in far provinces. this is the moscow region. and so they're having this argument then a soldier gets physically with what appears to be a commanding officer.

pretty stunning moment. let me play it. >> translator: why are we given this chinese crap and not real army vests? explain that to me. it's protection grade is four plus at best and no one is even testing whether it's bulletproof or not. >> translator: they did. >> translator: they did. >> translator: they did? how did that go? >> translator: the bullet pierced it. >> translator: the bullet went through. they tested it and the bullet went through. >> translator: take your hands out of your pockets. we'll stand like this. i'll spit on your collar, all right? >> translator: why would you spit on my collar? >> translator: why not? >> translator: you better knock that off. >> translator: calm down, sasha. >> translator: don't let your arms go. >> the angry soldier, i'll spit on your collar. why would you spit on my collar? it starts to escalate. this is the way he's treating a commander. the soldiers went on to shame

the commander because the commander isn't going on the trenches with them. does this total breakdown in command, control and troop cohesion surprise you at all? >> it does not surprise me that these recently mobilized soldiers who are being sent to the front without proper training, sensibly most of these guys have been in the army before. i mean, you remember when the journal mobilization order was issued, they were only going to mobilize soldiers that everything served before. i saw the video before myself. he clearly kind of knows what is going on. and they don't respect the officer there, and so there was a sirly attitude that ought to strike the it sort of contures up the

image. i don't know how widespread this incident is. i certainly like you would have seen many, many videos and hurt anecdotes and reports about this happening in other places. the fact this was so brazen and as you pointed out this was in the moscow region i think this does, in fact, highlight what should not surprise anybody that these soldiers absolutely do not want to fight. they know that they're going to be used as canon fodder and the biggest evidence is that they're handed crap equipment. >> yeah, it's pretty stunning to watch it to happen and right there in moscow. thank you so much, general hodges. i appreciate your time joining us gwen from frankfurt tonight. and next police in the deadly idaho stabbings case release a new time line and map of the victim's last known movements. plus we're live on the southern border where migrants are lining up once again to get into the united states after a federal judge struck down a policy to

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four university of idaho students. the moscow idaho police chief saying the students bodies were found on the second and third floors of the house. the coan also telling cnn there was, quote, lots of blood on the wall. and all of this new information is as police are releasing a detailed time line on the student's known movements in the hours before they were murdered. veronica miracle is out front. >> reporter: video of three of the university of idaho stabbing victims posted on kaylee's t tiktok account shows their lives together. on the night of the murders they were at the fraternity at the university of idaho between 8:00 and 9:00 p.m.

madison and kaylee visit adlocal sports bar and then a food truck around 140 a.m. police releasing a map showing those exact locations for the first time hoping new leads will break the case. >> we believe that releasing information about the location of the victims throughout the night might generate some information that we can follow up on. >> reporter: police say all of the victims were home by 145 a.m. their bodies found on the second and third floors of the home. is the first floor where the roommates were sleeping? >> yeah, we have not identified where the roommates were. >> reporter: but the biggest question who killed them and why. >> we still confirm this was targeted. we cannot divulge the information how why we believe that or high. that is integral to this investigation. >> reporter: police are clarifying why they're not releasing more information about the victim's roommates who were at home during the attacks.

>> in this cay we don't know what it means are exactly at this time. >> reporter: he talked to his daughter the night before she died. >> the last time i heard from her. they were just hanging out at home. >> reporter: her father too distraught saying he learned his daughter had defensive wounds, fought her attacker. >> bruises by the knife or whatever. she's a tough kid. whatever she wanted to do, she could do it. >> reporter: the county coroner confirmed to cnn that some of the students likely had defensive stab wounds to the hands and there were no signs of sexual assault or an issue of drugs or alcohol. >> each student had multiple stab wounds? >> that's correct. that's really the main thing that i saw was a lot of blood. >> reporter: the victims' friends and coworkers say now they just want to honor their memories. >> they -- they just brought light to the room that they were

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the biden administration to turn them away. that policy is called title 42, and the biden administration has been using it to keep people out of the u.s. david culver is out front from the mexican side of the border. >> reporter: we start early only to realize they are already on the move, from the mexican side of it border we watch these migrant families nearing closer to their final destination or so they hope. you can see these folks have already gone across the river. technically they're already in the u.s. they'll continue along the wall here until they get an entrance where they'll likely be detained and start their process in entering the u.s. we continue further down along the right-o grande and find thi camp city opposite el paso, texas. at the start of this week aide workers estimated 3,000 people were sleeping here. that was until word spread

suggesting an easing of u.s. border restrictions. immediately some 2,000 people mobilized to cross. this is the second time. for her, her husband, and their 5-year-old son, motivated to try again after learning this week a u.s. federal judge struck done what's called title 42. the trump era policy allows border agents to turn away migrants legally all in the name of covid prevention. there's been nearly 2.5 million expulsions most under the biden administration. what do you know of title 42? she said two days ago they heard they got rid of it. not exactly. the the order remains in effect until december 21st. said he's a little scared. it's always hard because you don't know what's going to

happen. after a tearful hug with a friend they cautiously inch closer. dozens do the same over the course of just a few hours. a lot of them have taken off their shoes, they dry off on the other side, and then they head up and start the processing. we also meet rafael who hope to follow in their footsteps. that's not your clothes? wearing clothes donated by americans, he recounts the injury from venezuela, walking through treacherous jungle and witnessing death, a lot of death. but for some like 9-year-old ruby it was an adventure. she narrates the same four month old trek most in this camp took start starting in venezuela then -- costa rica, guatemala.

the dream destination, ruby can't remember the last time she was in a classroom. she hopes to go to school in new york. one month here. ruby's family wants to cross immediately if they can find a loving home for -- part of the family but pets aren't allowed in. back at the crossing site this man's mother crying over face time not knowing the next time she'll see his face. others forge ahead a seemingly endless stream, one that continues uphill. and one of the things you point out in all of this is that venezuela is one of the critical components to the department of homeland security's strategy as they're looking to figure out how they can secure the border for one protect it from a law

enforcement perspective but also try to process in an orderly fashion, and they do expect the surge to continue, but the ven swale ans who are going into the country will be limited at 24,000 according to the department of homeland security. to put that in perspective this is massive humanitarian crisis, one of the largest in the world, millions are trying to get in. >> millions and now here in these next weeks we'll see what hap happens. >> thank you so uch. next, one of the most admired women in the world but even michelle obama admits she has to practice pushing internal demons and doubts aside. this is a cnn exclusive.

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tonight a cnn exclusive, former first lady michelle obama opening up about her struggles with self-doubt and offering this advice. listen to her. >> one of the most important things i've learned is that you can't control what other people think and do, that the first thing we have to master -- i have to master is my own thoughts, my own heart. and that's a habit that you have to practice, snuffing out the doubters, pushing out the negative voices, many of them not true, not applicable. we as women, we as people of color, we have them more. those demons are -- you know, they are socially structured to keep us small. but you have to practice letting light into you. because if you don't see your

light, you can't shine it on anyone else and no one will see it in you. so the work begins here. it always has for me. >> so in a new cnn special the fo former first lady sits down. i'm so eager to watch all of them. we so rarely hear any of them in this capacity and all together. what else happened? >> we got very personal. we also looked at the big picture, what's happening with women and girls around the world, 100 million girls are not in school but they're school age and why that is and what that does to a community. but they had asked the girls that attended this was this was an audience and there were girls younger in their teens and early 20s, what they would like to say to their 25-year-old self when they get older, so i reversed

the question and here's the answer to the advice these women would give to their 25-year-old self. what would you tell your 25-year-old self now that you've lived a life? >> i would say life is even more beautiful ahead than you realize, and i would say to my 25-year-old self you knew in high school who you were, and you let go of some of that for lots of reasons, people, situations, college, people around you. you knew who you were. and once you learned to be the girl you were in high school is once you grew into the girl that you could be. >> boom. mrs. obama that part. >> just simply put i would tell myself you were good enough, you were valued, you were worthy. your story matters, your voice matters. you will do the great things that you know you can do.

>> you know, i would say defining failure as not trying because actually going for things and falling flat on your face is fine, it's a learning experience. it makes you strong. but if you don't try, and if you don't actually follow your dreams or even admit what they are and go for it, it's something that will stay with you. >> and what will i think stay with all of us is how that started. you knew who you were when you were a young girl, but society and all the things around you started to change that person that you truly your authentic self and letting that come back out is important. there's a lot more that they talk about. we laugh, we cried. >> i cannot wait to see this. i'm really so fascinated by all of them and so eager to hear them over all these years, so to hear what she has to say. thank you so much. and all of you, you've got to see sarah's full conversation with them sunday night at 8:00 p.m. th