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all right. moments ago we did hear from the former president about the appointment of a special prosecutor today to oversee separate federal investigations into trump's conduct partially involving the january 6th riot, the other investigation into the potential mishandling of classified materials, as well as the possible obstruction of justice in that investigation. again, we did just hear from the former president a short time ago. attorney general merrick garland said the decision was prompted by, quote, extraordinary circumstances, primarily the former president's announcement to run for president again. but also president biden's stated intention to do so as well. biden continues to say that it is his intention to run for president. do we have the sound of trump, guys? all right. we do not have the sound of donald trump. let's go to evan -- hang on. we have donald trump. let's listen to what he said.

>> before we begin, i want to address the appalling announcement today by the egregiously corrupt biden administration and their weaponized department of justice. would you like me to talk about that? larry, would you like me to talk about that? this horrendous abuse of power is the latest in a long series of witch hunts, started a long time ago. i thought the investigation with the document hoax was dying or dead or over, and the investigation into january 6 and my very peaceful and patriotic speech -- remember, peaceful and patriotically -- was dead, especially after the record setting 40-point loss of liz cheney in the great state of wyoming. i thought it was dead. i thought that put the final nail in the coffin. only to find out that the corrupt and highly political justice department just

appointed a super radical left special counsel, better referred to as a special prosecutor, to start the process all over again. we thought it was just about dead. as you know, just about the top person, one of the top people in the justice department, lisa monaco, a major trump hater -- major, i mean, beyond belief -- is in charge of the case, and she's totally controlled by andrew weissman. you ever hear the name andrew weissman? i think you did. in this room, you did. bad person, bad guy. but he's an even bigger trump hater. sounds like a fair deal so far. do you agree? who works tirelessly, as he did on the mueller scam, which ended up, as you know, no collusion to do bad things to the greatest movement. they want to do bad things to the greatest movement in the history of our country, but in particular bad things to me. but i've gotten used to it. >> all right.

as you can tell, it was the usual type of response. the exact type of response you might expect from the former president. that was just a small sampling. it went on and on and on and on. and much of what he was saying was misleading. some of it was flat-out untrue. the fact of the matter is the president was being investigated yesterday by the department of justice for what happened in january 6 and also for the possible mishandling of these documents. he is still being investigated today and will be investigated tomorrow for january 6 and also the potential mishandling of documents. that investigation has just moved to a different supervisor. so, let's begin our coverage now with cnn's senior justice correspondent, evan perez. evan, let's get the facts here. what did attorney general merrick garland say about these two separate investigations? >> well, john, these two investigations are now going to be lead by this special prosecutor, jack smith. and what he's doing is taking two investigations that are well underway -- and by the way, just to pause there, the former

president is just making it up, right? i mean, there is no -- nothing -- to say that this was a dead investigation or that it was being abandoned. far from it. i mean, people around him have been getting subpoenas in recent days. so, there is nothing to indicate that this was about to go away. and certainly not anymore, right, because of the former president's decision to announce that he's running for office for a third time. the justice department says that they needed to appoint a prosecutor, a special prosecutor, to oversee them. now, as you pointed out, both things are ongoing. one of them is looking at the former president and his allies' efforts to impede the transfer of power after his loss in the 2020 election. and the second one is the mishandling -- alleged

mishandling -- of these classified documents that the fbi retrieved in that extraordinary search at mar-a-lago in august. those, now, are going to be going on. the attorney general said they're going to have all the resources they need, and that this special prosecutor is going to make the decisions as to whether there should be charges. >> this special prosecutor, jack smith. many people had never heard of jack smith before a few hours ago. what's his background. >> john, look, when we reported just a few weeks ago that the justice department was looking at making this decision, we started making calls to figure out who you could possibly get. and this is the guy they ended up. and he is a war crimes prosecutor. he has been working out of the hague, investigating war crimes in kosovo. he's a former prosecutor in tennessee, federal prosecutor in tennessee, also ran public corruption investigations here in washington at the department of justice. he's also a former d.a., assistant d.a. in manhattan. so, he's got -- from what we've heard, he's got a stellar reputation. he is seen as somebody who's going to be, you know, down the

middle, by the book, and is expected to at least be able to survive what we expect is going to be an onslaught of scrutiny about whether he has any partisanship in his background. of course that's going to begin immediately. >> it's interesting we heard the former president complaining about this. if you go on twitter, which does still exist as of tonight, i saw just as many lefties complaining about the fact that the attorney general is appointing a special counsel because they think it's going to slow it down. the attorney general, he actually says, he made this appointment to prevent the appearance of a conflict of interest. >> right. look, i think merrick garland may have said that, and i think he really does believe it. but it is wishful thinking. let's be honest, right john? these are the times we live in. and there's absolutely nothing

that could insulate anything like this from the political criticism, which is already coming from republicans, former president. and you heard him right there just accusing jack smith of being a far left partisan. what we expect -- look, i think what we expect is that even though the attorney general and smith himself in a statement said that they expect that this is not going to slow things down, it is bound to do at least that a little bit, right? you have a new prosecutor who's going to take over. he's going to inherit all of this work, and then he's going to want to review it. just by its nature is going to slow things down at least a little bit. and of course we know the 2024 elections are coming up very, very soon. so, it's going to be a challenge for the justice department going forward. >> evan perez, i know you're going to have your hands full reporting on this for some time. thank you very much. >> thanks. more now from cnn justice correspondent, jessica schneider, cnn legal and national analyst, carrie cordero, former assistant to the attorney general for national security, and elie honig, former assistant u.s. attorney. carrie, i want to start with you.

your reaction -- i don't want to talk about the former president and what he said anymore because so much of it was, i think, misleading or just, you know, shiny objects there. >> nonsense. >> yeah. so, merrick garland -- >> nonsense, john. >> merrick garland, the appearance of a conflict. how necessary was it, do you think, for a special counsel? >> i think the attorney general had a lot of discretion here to make the decision for a special counsel. he didn't have to do it. he wasn't required by law to do it. but it's in his good judgment to do so, and he gave the reasons for it. in particular, the timing with respect to the former president's announcement that he is now a candidate and the fact that the current president has indicated all of his intentions to run to. so, what the attorney general is concerned about is the appearance of a conflict, the appearance of impartiality. so, i think his decision to move

forward with the special counsel is absolutely defensible if it wasn't absolutely required. >> so, jessica, what do we know about how jack smith -- i suppose, how and even where, he's going to be operating? >> well, interestingly, john, he will not be operating within main justice here in washington, d.c., as he's following the same steps his other special counsel. he will be operating in another building away from the attorney general and top justice officials. so, that's very interesting. you know, not exactly a household name, but he does have this long history as a prosecutor at the state level, the federal level, under doj, also the u.s. attorney's office in tennessee. most recently, though, he's actually over in the netherlands right now. he's been working for the international criminal court prosecuting war crimes. most interestingly and where he may be able to lend most of his experience, he led the public integrity section at doj for several years. this is a really prestigious assignment. and crucially here, he oversaw the prosecution of public corruption and election crime cases.

so, he has been at the center of an array of cases here. he already released a statement today, john, where he put it this way. he said, the pace of the investigations will not pause or flag under his watch. so, he's ready to jump right into these two major investigations that are really already months in the making here. >> elie honig, one of the things that we have heard and we heard it the last hour from george conway is there is this notion that merrick garland would not have done this if he did not think there was a possibility, maybe even a probability -- but let's call et a possibility -- that there could be indictments here. you don't appoint a special counsel if you don't think there's going to be any case. >> i don't think it's a sure sign that merrick garland is convinced this case is going to be indictmented. i do think it assures us merrick garland believed there was at least a nugget of evidence, at least enough to go on good faith here.

what's really important to know here is we've not gone from no investigation to investigation, no prosecutor to prosecutor. we've just changed the guy who's going to make part of the decision. he's probably going to have the exact same team of prosecutors and investigators ask approximate the same evidence. i think what he does do, this special counsel, is provide a heat shield of sorts for merrick garland, because the way it works is the special counsel has to first say, i believe we should or should not indict. he has to go to the attorney general, who then is required by law to give, quote, great weight to what the special counsel says. so, this enables garland, whether the recommendation is indict or don't indict, to say, i will give him great weight and i will defer to his decision, insulating garland against really attacks both from the left and from the right. >> that's why i didn't want to pay too much weight -- one of the reasons -- to what donald trump was saying. his situation hasn't changed today. >> it's no different. donald trump doesn't have to be happy or sad or angry or anything. it's just someone different is going to make a very important decision in the intermediate.

>> carrie, what about the timing of this? how much more investigating do you think there really is to do at this point? is this about investigating or is this really just about deciding whether to indict or not? >> well, i think -- i mean, based on what we're seeing publicly, i think this seems look a very active, ongoing investigation. they're continuing to bring witnesses into grand juries. they're continuing to serve subpoenas. and remember there are different investigations here. so, there's the investigation into the efforts to overturn the election. that's one big set of a very complex and novel and unique type of investigation. then there's the separate investigation into the handling of presidential documents and classified information. and national security investigations involving classified documents not withstanding if they involve a former president, can take a long time. they are complicated cases to bring. the third piece, which is also related to that investigation, is the obstruction. it was interesting to me that the attorney general mentioned obstruction a couple times in

his remarks today, making clear that that is part of the ongoing investigation. obstruction may be the most straightforward of the investigations they're bringing up. >> merrick garland a man who chooses his words carefully, and he chose to use that word multiple times carefully. obstruction into the investigation, obstruction. jessica, we do know that there are things happening in these investigations with people surrounding the former president. what is the appointment of the special counsel? how might that affect them? >> as carrie mentioned, this has been ongoing, wide ranging. it really at this point shouldn't change too much of the dynamic. these investigations have been ongoing for months. what it could change is that things could really ramp back up because we're past the election now. that quiet period is over. and our team has already reported that prosecutors have, in fact, been sending out an array of new subpoenas just over the past several days. so, this special counsel, special prosecutor, is coming in here when it's already moving full steam ahead. he could come in with this fresh

focus, maybe more scrutiny than we've already seen of the former president, his associates, even his lawyers. as carrie mention d the attorney general talked at least twice about instruction. it's those people in trump's orbit as well as maybe trump himself who really could be implicated in any obstruction charge stemming from these classified documents at mar-a-lago. so, it's going full steam ahead. and this special counsel has already said he's not going to be part of any pause. he is ready to jump right on this and keep going. >> so, elie, why is speed so important here? what are the time pressures? >> every day that passes makes this a harder job for prosecutors. everyone is very fixated on will there be an indictment or not an indictment. the indictment is the start of the case, not the end. part of the beauty of being a prosecutor, you get to decide when to indict. but you do not get to decide when the trial happens. the average trial is about a

year after indictment. in this case, you're going to have all sorts of motions, appeals. a year would be lucky. so, let's do the math here. we're already basically into 2023. trial's going to be in 2024. do you know how difficult that's going to be if donald trump's a front runner into primaries, maybe a nominee? so, if i'm the special counsel here, heaven forbid, my first instruction to the team is what is the fastest humanly possible we can make a decision here. >> carrie, what do you do right now if you are a lawyer for the former president? what's the strategy? >> well, the lawyers for the former -- the former president seems to change his legal strategy frequently. i mean, i think he was -- he had a very poor legal strategy handling the entire thing related to the mar-a-lago searches because he was trying to litigate it before he even knew if he was going to be charged with anything. so, at this point, his team is going to need to see where the justice department goes and they're going to need to decide whether or not they're going to cooperate in any way or whether

he's just going to baton down and wait to see what the justice department does. but also, john, just to follow up from something elie said, attorney general garland's mention of the urgency of the case i thought was interesting and a little bit unusual. because usually justice department officials say we'll investigate as long as it takes. we'll take the facts wherever they go. he used the word "urgent" today and i think that does play into the timing that elie is describing. >> i think the idea is you can't have exception to all law because someone chooses to run for president. that can't be a two-year get out of jail free card, for lack of a better term there. great discussion. thank you all very much. coming up, legendary journalist carl bernstein joins us to discuss this moment that we're in where a former president is running for the white house and is now under the lens of a special counsel who

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cnn political analyst and legal analyst and author, carl bernstein. great to see you tonight. you've got some history here with seeing special prosecutors appointed in different situations. just talk to me about the significance of this moment. >> i think it's significant because it indicates that the justice department believes that there is reason to keep investigating on an expedited basis, which is one of the words used in the announcement of the special prosecutor. but also i think anybody, layman or professional, lawyer, whatever, who has really followed these two events, it's very difficult to see how any prosecuting authority, whether it is a special prosecutor, the justice department, can fail to not go forward with further investigation. there is obviously -- let's take a look at the january 6 committee report and the

investigation. there is a mountain of evidence already that shows very likely criminal activity to thwart the transfer of power. it would be impossible if that weren't investigated. and let me tell you, i've talked to a lot of republican lawyers as well who believe absolutely that these investigations have to go forward. >> so, you're saying you're talking to a lot of republicans, lawyers, and i imagine otherwise too, carl. look, previously, before donald trump would get huge support within the republican party and elected officials who would parrot and mimic everything he said in defense. are we in a different moment now? just over the last two weeks, you've had republicans publicly blaming him for their underwhelming performance in the midterm elections. do you think republicans might be more hesitant to come to his defense this time? >> i don't have a crystal ball. i'm a reporter. this could play two ways. it could energize his supporters, who think that he's being persecuted.

so, i think we have to wait and see what happens. i think it's very significant that it looks like two cases are coming together here. the investigation is not of one event, the january 6 events, and the other one being mar-a-lago and the documents separately. they intersect, including a possible conspiracy to obstruct justice. it's important that the attorney general, twice in that statement, used the term obstruct and also destruct in terms of the records. i think what is apparent also, he wants to expedite this case, not slow it down. and often it's been donald trump who has slowed down the investigations around him because he would like to delay them rather than have the possibility of an indictment coming down. i think we don't know where it's going to go. i think also this special

prosecutor has a record of not indicting in a number of cases that he's handled. so, i think the fairness question that we can be pretty assured unless we are the most partisan and really believe that this is some kind of witch hunt, which certainly i have no evidence of, and i think the contrary -- i think we're going to have a real investigation here. and it's very possible that the same republicans who, in the past have defended, to go to your point, donald trump, this time may see this as too much baggage given the evidence that they know of already from the january 6 committee especially. but look what we know about trump destroying and his people destroying documents. look what we know about the possible obstruction of turning those documents over. so, there's a very, very clear case to be investigated. and in all probability -- i don't know, there's a pretty good chance there are going to be indictments. >> we just don't know yet. again, we heard the criticism from the former president a

short time ago. and i also want to note that i have read over the last several hours, criticism from some people on the left also who are upset that merrick garland did this. they feel, you didn't have to do this merrick garland. you could have pressed the charges yourself. you could have made the indicting decisions. this is just going to delay things. do you think ultimately garland had to do this? >> i think it's a tough call, but i think to give the appearance of absolute fairness, it's the necessary and right call. i think we also better look at the dynamic of hunter biden in this. that's the elephant in the room here. there's an investigation going on in wilmington, delaware, by a u.s. attorney there. and there, too, we have to assume the decision is going to be made on the merits. and, again, there is a set of facts in the hunter biden case that would indicate that it's worthy of investigation. and also, you're going to see republicans are already saying

it. they want investigation of hunter biden in the house, in the newly republican controlled house. we'll see what happens with that. but that is a major case to watch. the political situation is not unrelated to the other -- today's announcement by the attorney general. >> no, indeed. and just to be clear, there was an attorney general who was held over from the trump administration to oversee that election of hunter biden. so, that investigation very much ongoing. carl bernstein, thank you very much. coming up, the other hurdle the former president may face in his quest to win back the white house, winning back his one-time supporters. we're going take you to an area where seven out of ten voters backed him the last time around to see what, if anything, has changed. ♪ ♪ this... is a glimpse

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so, the appointment of a special counsel is getting the attention of the 45th president of the united states tonight. but even if that investigation goes nowhere, the former president may find it more challenging than ever to win office. this after kicking off his 2024 campaign this week. our gary tuchman is in a deep red part of georgia, where some voters may be ready for change atop the republican ticket. >> reporter: our exercise, to talk to people who voted for donald trump for the president twice. >> as far as i'm concerned, he's the best president we've had in

my lifetime. >> reporter: and see if they are ready to vote for him again. >> but, it may be time for someone else with similar values to run the country. >> reporter: and who would that be? >> desantis. >> reporter: here in floyd county, georgia, where 70% of the voters cast their 2020 ballots for trump, where marjorie taylor greene this week endorsed the former president, there's clearly unrest among many who were supremely loyal to trump including here at the gym. ann hook is a labor delivery nurse, who describes herself as someone who is against a lot of things that, quote, far left stands for. >> if it were trump and desantis, who would you vote for today? >> i'm leaning towards desantis, to be honest with you. i'm leaning toward desantis even though i voted for trump. >> donald trump was great, but people don't like donald trump. i think desantis would be better. he's very smart.

>> why do you think people don't like donald trump? >> his mouth. he's too mouthy. >> reporter: many we talked to in the county seed of rome, georgia, aren't convinced of any particular republican just yet. >> donald trump was relying on people to be loyal who voted for him. >> yeah, i know. but i don't know. there's just a lot of things that -- >> you're not ready to say to him, i'm going to vote for you again? >> no, i'm not. >> reporter: why is that? >> i just want to know what my other choices are. >> reporter: similar feelings inside this downtown coffee shop, run by christian missionaries. who would this trump voter cast her ballot for if the election were today, more than a year away from the first primary votes being cast? >> any republican. >> reporter: if it was trump against desantis or trump or pence or cruz, who would you vote for if you had to make a decision? >> i don't know honestly at this time. >> reporter: and even at the county republican headquarters,

cookie was wozniak, says she's not ready. who would you vote for? >> i really don't know. i can't say. i can't say. i really don't know. >> reporter: we did talk to a few people who said they are staying loyal to the former president. >> you voted for trump twice. would you vote for him again definitely? >> yeah. >> reporter: and no other challengers? does it concern you the conspiracy theories that he's talked about, the election denial from this last election, kind of like your congresswoman here? >> it does. it absolutely does. but at the end of the day, you know, from where i stand, you know, having young children, you know, i was the most financially free than i've ever been when trump was in office. >> reporter: but there are clearly plenty of people who voted for trump here who have other ideas about who should be in office. >> if i had to vote today it would be for desantis. >> how come? >> i feel like he knows how to navigate his wishes and what he wants to do with the country. >> didn't trump know how to do

that? >> he didn't know how to keep his mouth shut. >> and gary tuchman joins us now. gary, that was really interesting. it makes me wonder if you had talked to those same people 12 months ago, if it would have been a similar response. how many people did you end up talking to? >> so, we talked to more than 20 trump voters. of those voters, 16 of them i talked to on camera. the total of all those voters who are determined to stay with trump in 2024 is four people. only four. this obviously is not a scientific survey, but it's something to keep an eye on, particularly in very conservative counties like this one. >> it's the way they talked about it too that was so interesting. gary, that was a terrific piece. thank you so much for being with us. coming up, the battle against crime here in new york city after a new mayor promised to put his police experience to work. are things any safer? do people feel safer? that's next. there's only one song worth singing ♪ ♪ they may try and sell ya ♪ baahh!

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a number of republicans ran on the issue of crime in large american cities during the midterms. that was the main problem raised by the republican nominee for governor in new york state. he lost to the democratic incumbent, but the race was closer than many expected. politics aside, crime is still a real concern in new york city for many of the 8.5 million people who live here. our jason carroll looks at the human toll and talks to the mayor who came to the job after

years of patrolling these very streets. >> reporter: last saturday night, police respond to a triple shooting in chelsea, a neighborhood known more for its million dollar condos and trendy restaurants. reports of the shooting not surprising, though, to new yorkers, such as peter. he is the owner of cellar 53 wine and spirits. and for him, crime is not just something he reads about or sees on the news. >> how many times have you been stolen from? >> every day they come in trying to. they came in and arrested a guy for something he did outside. they arrested him, put him on the floor, and then three hours later he came back to buy something. >> reporter: he has taken security measures into his own hands. wine bottles now glued into place. >> look at this. >> reporter: you have to ask for the real one. as for expensive bottles. >> these are empty? i have to go downstairs and get

it for them. >> reporter: shoplifting has gotten so bad this year, rite aid is considering literally putting everything behind showcases. it's already closed at least two of its stores in new york city. a spokeswoman saying in part, in regards to theft, like many in the industry, we are seeing a higher level of brazen shoplifting and organized retail crime. >> i mean, it's a little crazy out here. >> reporter: it's not just the streets and the stores. this i.t. technician living in brooklyn says she started feeling less safe after what happened to her. >> i was in the subway and somebody snatched my purse and my shoes. i was -- >> your purse and your shoes? >> and my shoes. >> reporter: with some feeling more uneasy, they're turning to new york city's mayor, eric adams, now in office for about a year. adams ran on a platform that he, as a former cop, was best suited to tackle crime. >> i think this city and the

police commission is moving in the right direction. >> but are you moving fast enough? >> yes, we are. it's been 11 months. and what i said i wanted to focus on when i was campaigning, shootings and homicides and guns, 27-year high in removing guns off our streets. >> reporter: murders are down 13% and shootings down 15% since adams took office in january. but the numbers of murders and shootings still higher now than they were in 2019, before the pandemic. and overall, major crimes are at a 16-year high, such as felony assault, robbery, and grand larceny. critics say bail reform, which went into effect in 2020, is part of the problem. the legislation was designed to help new yorkers facing non-violent charges who could not afford bail. but police say it has also resulted in some offenders, instead of getting bail, they're released with a ticket and they go out and commit more crimes.

take darren mickens, a notorious transit pick pocket offender arrested again this week. he's already been arrested more than 40 times. the mayor says bail reform was a key issue addressed at a so-called crime summit held with new york lawmakers at his residence last month. >> what's our time frame? it sounds like what you're saying is the law does have to be changed. how are you going to change it? >> you know, that's beyond my scope to do so. >> but you can still influence the governor, right? or can you influence the governor? can you talk to the local district attorney here and say, look, you've got to fix this. let's all get together and do something about it. >> yes. that's what we did at grace si mansion. and the governor has been an

amazing partner. >> what can we tell people who are going to be watching this and saying all right, when is the law going to change to stop these offenders from doing what they're doing. >> albany reconvenes in january. in the meantime, my office has zeroed in on those repeated offenders, and we're having conversations with lawmakers. we can't wait until january. we're doing things right now. >> thank you. have a good day. >> until things do get better, this shop owner says much of his inventory will stay locked down. and he'll do one eye on his bottles, and the other on everyone else. >> jason, what does governor hochul say about bail reform and crime in new york city? >> well, as you can imagine, we've reached out to the governor to get her input about this, and basically what she told us -- her office is basically saying that they would not be able to give us any comment about bail reform. but the mayor has said and told us when we interviewed him that he has been working with the governor, that she's been an amazing partner. but, john, when you get to the bottom line of this, when you want to get to the sweet spot in

terms of how bail reform should work. in other words, it's helping people, but you're not having offenders take advantage of it. what you're going to have to do is get lawmakers from both sides of the aisle. you're going to have to get those in law enforcement, input from judges. you're going to have to get all those people together in order to get that sweet spot where the law is working for those who need it and offenders have not taking advantage of it. >> jason carroll, thank you so much. so, up next a sneak peek at a cnn exclusive conversation with former first lady michelle obama on their mission to empower young girls through education. at said you could do t in a year for like $11k. hmm! order 11! yes, see you at 11. ♪ 1111 masters blvd. please. that'll be 11 even, buddy. really? the clues are all around us...

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this sunday night on cnn sarah snyder sits down to talk about their shared mission to empower girls through education. sarah also had a one-on-one conversation with mrs. obama talking about her life after the white house, race, social media, mental

health and her own battle with self-doubt. >> so many women struggle with self-doubt. do you? and if you do, how do you push past it? >> i talk about this all the time. especially with the young girls i meet because they look at people like us in these positions and they think, well, you must have been born into that place. which is the one -- one of the reasons when i meet with young girls, i don't care where in the world it is, i don't want them to know michelle obama the former first lady, i want them to know michelle obama, that girl from the south side of chicago. i want to break down that wall of impossibility to let them know that i am them and they are me. and, yes, every other moment i feel self-doubt. >> and sarah schneider is with me now. what more can you tell about her mission and her work in education? >> this was an incredible group of women that sat on the stage. they've never sat on the stage before like this, really coming together for the girls opportunity alliance, which is part of the obama foundation.

and what their mission is to try and give girls and adolescent girls a chance at education. and they do it by giving money to grass roots organizations who are doing the work in places around the world from kenya to botswana to guatemala. but they're talking about girls everywhere. that includes here in united states. and there are about 100 million girls -- more than that actually around the world who are school age who are not in school. their mission is to change that, john. >> and again, you know, we saw amall clooney there, melinda gates. >> you give me too much credit, john. we asked them a question they had asked these young girls. they asked young girls, hey, what would you like to tell your 25-year-old self, what are your dreams and hopes.

and so i reversed the question what would they like to say or give advice to their 25-year-old self, and the best answer that really stuck with me was from melinda gates. what would you tell your 25-year-old self now that you've lived a life? >> i would say life is even more beautiful ahead than you realize. and i would say to my 25-year-old self you knew in high school who you were, and you let go of some of that for lots of reasons. people, situations, college, people around you. you knew who you were. and once you learned to re-be the girl you were in high school is when you grew into the full woman that you could be. >> and then you saw me do the mic drop, and mrs. obama said that part. we all sort of agreed and nodded that you knew who you were inside. you may not have known what you were going to do and who you

were going to be exactly what you did know who you were, and you should let yourself be your authentic self. we have much more coming up tonight at 10:00, john. >> i checked the schedule and it's you next hour. what do you have? >> we have so many thing. you've been talking about everything all day long with what is going on with this investigation, the special counsel. we're going to have some great guests both political and legal, and we're going to talk about this big thing called the world cup, which is what the world watches, around the world that is the biggest sport, football, right? but there are a lot of controversies in qatar as well with this being played there at an odd time. usually it's played in the summer. now it's played in the winter, and there are lots of controversies that are bubbling up in that place. so we're going to get to all of that plus a little bit more from amal, mrs. obama, and melinda french gates. >> sarah schneider, great to see

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