thanks for watching, i'll be back tomorrow night, our coverage continues tonight houston camera. >> i listened, thanks so much. this is cnn tonight. timeouts in-camera. a new account tonight, from one of the heroes who stopped the gunman in the lgbtq nightclub shooting and colorado springs. by people were shot dead, at least 19 others injured. as their family and friends grief tonight, authorities praise to patrons who took down the shooter no doubt saving countless lives. one of the heroes served in the

army for nearly 15 years and tonight, he is haunted by the people he could not safe. >> i was done during the stuff. it was too much. you know, it came in handy. i got to protect -- i lost my kids boyfriend. i tried to get everybody in. there i still feel [crying] the five people didn't come home. and this guy had told them i would kill human, katrina coma friends. my family was there. >> they were out on a saturday night. like millions of us. having a good time with friends. dancing at the nightclub. like millions of us have done. it will make the reviewer hateful people out there and more richard m. fierro. we will have more from that hero, later. but i want to bring it senator

john of colorado. senator, thanks so much for being here. i'm so sorry for what your state is going through. i want to put up some stats right now. because the really striking, anti lgbtq hate crimes are up 41%. across the country. since 2019. and we've heard from people in the lgbtq community, and colorado springs, say that they have sensed hatred growing against them. so why is this happening in colorado? >> well, i think is happening across the country. the lgbtq community is paying with their lives for the hate that the violent rhetoric that is getting spread all over social media. and really sometimes in the mainstream media. and also better institutions. >> as we say of course, it is just colorado. state legislatures across the country have introduced 344

anti lgbtq bills this year. why are politicians, primarily republicans of course, so freaked out about these issues? >> it is a good question. i don't know if it is their morality is that extreme or whether they think it is a political opportunity. i can't speak for them i can say that the problem is way beyond republican or democrat. what political advantage could we have. our country is being held victim. as if we're being terrorized by ourselves. and our worst enemies, russia, china, they couldn't do more harm to us than having our own kids afraid to go to school, people afraid to go worship and come together in a nightclub. it is taking us down slowly, but steadily. we need to come together, as the country, and say it's a community, and as the country,

we need to do something about this together. >> senator, when a congresswoman, like lauren boebert of your state tweets out hateful misinformation. as she has done. about this community. she relies on that meme, if that's right word. of kids being groomed, et cetera. what effect does that have? >> again. it is hard to explain why she does this. whether it is a function of getting attention. or getting her measure of celebrity. but it certainly is hurtful and there can be no doubt that bans the flames of hatred of people who are, in many cases, desperate about other things and alive. they've got mental health issues. and they twist off into violence. many times it is not the first time they twisted off into violence. but sometimes that fuse gets

lit. by hate speech and bigotry. >> let's talk about that. this suspect in this crime had a run in with police. he was arrested in 2019 after making a bomb threat. and a threat of violence against his mother. i think we actually have a little clip of what he was saying when the police arrived. >> this is your boy. i've got a -- look at that. they got a -- on me. you see that right there? -- cut their rifles out. if they breach i'm gonna blow it to. so, go ahead and come on in boys. let's see it. >> senator. explain why colorado's red flag laws didn't stop someone, like that, from having guns. >> i don't have any real facts. i was told this morning that the sheriff down a colorado

springs said that right when the red flag law was passed. that he wouldn't force. it they've had the lowest level of enforcement of any community in the state. but that just calls into question. how did we get these lost to work? it is one thing to get them past. but the community has to believe in them. they have to race them. it should not be a political dividing line. we are way past the point where we can tolerate this kind of, political malfeasance. people make it a political issue something that crossed the lines of people just out enjoying a saturday night. >> when the problems, i think we saw this in the highland park shooting case, as well. illinois is that if it relies on the family to press charges, if it relies on the family to say that this person needs to go to prison, it doesn't work. senator, what is the solution for protecting this community in your state? >> i think that we have to set a new and higher level for red

flag laws. where you have to have some institutional framework by which the community can know that someone has clearly demonstrated that they are liable to cool off the rails. that video is chilling. because here's someone who is threatening to do what he then, eventually did. and different form, it would eventually did was go out and kill innocent people because he somehow got helped up. we have to make sure people like that don't have access to guns. or if they do have guns, we take them away. >> he would be so good to be able to do that before a mass shooting, but we have this conversation all too often. senator john hickenlooper, thank you so much for your time it is great to talk to you. >> you too, alison privately on. we bring in sarah kate ellis. president of glaad. also as pollster, frank once, and tom bernie a former nypd detective. thank you so much for being

here. sarah, let me start with you. why is this community seeing more hateful vitriol and violent than it did two years ago? >> i think the politicians have found a way to bolster their careers, and add boats to their election. and they are using us as that political -- we have had a long history of the lgbtq community being victimized, demonized, by, especially right-wing media. and republicans. i think that they have found some sort of in here. and just in the past year, honestly, even more so. they put critical race theory aside. now they're focused on the transgender community, and the lgbtq community again. they're trying to use us to bolster the career, and the reputation. >> so, frank, you hear me talking to -- 344 anti lgbtq bills and state houses around the country. why is that issue suddenly so politically active? >> i don't know.

i do know that there is a poison and toxicity. and i know that much of it comes across from social media. i don't seek to politicize anything, for any reason, because people are die. and it is so much more important than trying to find partisan gain over. it i do see that there's a sickness in our society that is harder and harder -- my job solution to these people. my job is to hear what they have to say. ethan republican or democrat issue. it is a social media issue. it is a cultural issue. and there is so much hate, so much more divisiveness, so much more than when i started this profession. i am scared. i'm scared to death. >> what are scared of? >> that it is going to get even worse. i think this is only the beginning. we look at these and we say never again. i'm afraid whitby again, and again, until we can get a hold on how we talk to each other.

the fact is that more faith you have, the morrisville, theme or understanding, and empathy we have. this is less likely that this would happen. i don't see us moving that direction at all. tom, but to detect the path on for us. because you worked on these issues for so long. can you just explain the motive and mindset of a deranged person who goes into a nightclub, where people are dancing, and think that by shooting, killing, five people. that people are not beginning more? what is the thought process there? >> and he just mentioned, here's a break in use. we live in a racist, sexist, homophobic, islamophobic, antisemitic, country. this is the stuff that is learned behavior. past the two generations. and unless we address that issue, that, it upon itself.

everything stems from that. when you then had to make the free-flowing of guns in our country. which are awash in every neighborhood, of every state. now you have people who are a few sandwiches short of a picnic, like this guy, who get their hands on a weapon and go out and massacre people just try to enjoy themselves. i can't really explain what is behind the methodology of a psychopath. what i can tell you is we see a recurring theme. as i mansion on cnn newsroom, yesterday. once we get into the background of this individual. which they now have. coming through his social media, talking to the people that he knows. we see a reoccurring theme. people who are extremely angry. and of all kinds of vitriol that they need to just let out. and, as maybe bone government are guilty of, they are fueling this fire of people. and then the edge to go out and snap and do something. that's all it takes, of someone

who authority to give some that green light to do it. it is sickening, it is sickening what is happening in this country. >> sarah kate, some parents and politicians, seem to be very freaked out about drag story time. in fact, we have some video of masked people with guns. at some of these events in the bad. i think this one might be in nevada. people -- do you understand why this freaks people out? and do you want to address the people who fear, who have so much great fair but this. they protests, that the kids are somehow being groomed? . we >> whereabouts released a study without news in rapid response team has been watching and looking at this and sort of pulling back what is going on here. there have been about 125 attacks or threats to drag immense in the country this

year. mostly from june to now and they're throwing firebombs, there was a firebomb a couple of weeks ago. at a drag amended donut shop. it is these are actually coordinated. they are very thoughtful. this is not just, i think, a bipartisan issue. i think this is a very coordinated -- the same people who are going after marriage equality when we were trying to move marriage forward, have now put their money, and their energy against us. >> it is getting violent, isn't it? >> it is absolutely. >> last year we saw 150 anti lgbtq bills. this, year we saw 344. if you look at how they are written. they are written in the exact same language. state, by state, by state. they're being fueled by this country. by money, ida group of people that are anti lgbtq. drag culture has been around as

long as people have been around. drag performers have been putting on shows and reading books -- there the finest people in the world. and now they're having a coordinated attack, and nearly 124 attacks, since june, pretty much. on drag performances. >> the answer is i think that the answer is the politicians need to stop. the social media platforms the to be held accountable. and i think that we need better gun safety reform. but >> the fact we are saying, we are saying that social media. everyone is in agreement, but we can't seem to do this. >> we can talk to each other anymore. we demonize each other. now they're listening to each other. >> thank you all, we really appreciate, it saris under these circumstances. we're have much more for you. richard fear.

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most and voted for trump twice. this is the core base. they don't know the conversations got that until the. so we got into this, and i was shocked. at what they had to say. >> so let's watch a clip of this but >> okay, if the relation between victoria would foot for, donald trump, around desantis. raise your hands, physically, if you choose trump that contest. one, two, three. very diffuse rhonda santas? all the rest of you advance. >> but they tell you about that? >> they played the cup of it. they told me that they're tired. they're born out. they still believe in what donald trump said and they believe in what he tried to do, but the tide of the chaos. theo i use the phrase -- violate trump understands those words. and it is simply were not.

and they want someone who they believe will bring their ideas, daddy, -ology to success. and they simply don't think that donald trump anymore. >> they also to the titles too much about donald trump. so here's a moment. i >> will think it's much about donald trump win. he wants to be distended for the establishment and other people against us. i now it's all about him. i >> allow people didn't vote for biden, they voted against trump. i think that's reasoning for one and against the other. >> i'm not sure donald trump has changed. >> i'm not sure how he would react watching this right now. i think would find some reason to -- leonard got involved in an argument that had about donald trump.

because trump tried to get me fired. but when you set, let's our fox news of the time. and cbs, and trump put out of his way, because he hates these focus groups. he hates listening to real people. and they had a lot of negative things to say about him. and he blew up. and then, i would say, later on came to my eight. but we have polling data now. that was done by the premise bowl. completed on saturday evening. so this is 48 hours. and it has joe biden, now defeating donald trump. by six points. but rhonda scientists, has a four point lead over biden. you have a ten-point swing between trump and desantis, that is a lot at this point. >> that's really fascinating. but it is a lot of this point. do you think -- is not the race. obviously when somebody enters the race, a the bloom is off the roads little bit. people get to know them. and they're not a shiny new object. do you think that what happened? do you think it'll normally

goes? >> it is a fair point, but look somebody achieved in florida. a landslide. former republican congressman. taking the position, the supposition that trump took in washington. desantis actually got it done in florida. another system controversy about him. voters are located with a fresh flight and they can actually get some democrats that donald never touch. >> no it's interesting frank? it's the midterms that sounded so that the tipping point. not an insurrection on the capitol. finally of covid. all these things, the criticism that people could leveled a. people still stuck with him. and he's candidates don't win the midterms. >> we have in the premise poll is that the scientists is that pulled even with trump. when asked why, and dance from the voters because they're just tired and worn out of the chaos,

of the dispute, of the arguments, of the hearings, and the task forces, and everything. and they will battle since normalcy. >> there's not cnn polling, obviously, and we have unconfirmed all that. but i -- it is just really interesting to see how people feel today. with >> what i hope is that we don't terry cheddar part. it goes but very first segment. there are consequences. there is damage. their lives at stake. there are obviously are more important with election. very well example we stand for children, and the people come after us. we and i'm hoping the next election will get our act together,. and not to reach other. part >> okay, frankly like fall this. the court to talk about jay leno later. so we'll see a little while. meanwhile, police in idaho are so searching for the killer of for university students and the, brutal way in which they were killed puts this crime into a different category. so we're gonna discuss that

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it's been one week since the fabric that for university hosted its. no weapon has been found. and still no suspect after initially saying there was no risk to the community of moscow idaho. police are now not so sure. join me now sheerness, morris compel, and former detective don bernie's bed. we have a retired fbi profiler. i wanna start with you. and not to get to grizzly. but someone who would stab for

college students, or possibly sleeping. the amount of gore and effort that it takes to stab for people. what does that tell you about who the suspect's? >> a couple of things really stand up to me. one of them is that this is some who has experience with that knife. that was a weapon of choice. i'm not suggesting that he's committed a similar murder to this. but he has experience with that knife. it is also someone that is comfortable getting blood all over him. unless he stabbed him through their comforters. but still, he would've had blood on him. and there is no information that has come out so far that there was an effort to clean up the crime scene. lastly, i would say that there still is a possibility that this offender did not know these victims. that he brought his emotions to the crime scene and he acted

out at that point. i think what is really important is that based on what he's described is doing at the scene. he didn't come there to talk. came through the middle the night, early morning hours. people were in the home. he just started to step. so that says he was not trying to brighter wrong or correct something that happened earlier this evening. we came here with the intent to do what he did. >> i've been wondering about that too, very allen, and tom. the police aren't saying serial killer. but, look, i was a crime reporter for five years. what we learned when i was crime reporter was that stabbing is often a crime of passion because it is so it's meant. you are touching the person. you have the right next to person. a down you can be at a distance until someone. notwithstanding. you are looking at them. sometimes you talking to them. that is why, as you know, i have to tell you, they often look at the significant other of the person with somebody's stepped. because it is a crime of

passion. do you think it is possible, as a serial killer, when you think of what maryland said? >> i think is on point. talk with some getting shot, can china's not pleasant. and helping someone's stabbed, especially stab multiple times. that is someone who distemper, summers either hire drugs, someone who is psychologically out there, and having a moment. in many cases to this becomes a domestic incident of some kind. with the boyfriend and or girlfriend, or significant other steps at the person the fit of rage or jealous rage. what is interesting about this is that it's so unclear as to where we're going and what direction we're going in. clearly, the person who committed this heinous act was someone who was seriously troubled. so the committee should be a notice to we get a better lead to who we are looking for. >> it is so mysterious.

first of all, there are two other roommates home. we don't know what they heard, if they're awake, and then the idea that the biden people over. they had people come over before they called the police. it strikes me as peculiar but maybe they were so completely petrified and freaked out that they needed support. it was hard to know. the community, course, would be terrified. this is two unsolved. >> it is hard to overstate how unusual this cases. we have for college students were stabbed to death. and their sleep. the small town of 25,000 people who has not seen a single murder in seven years. there's no suspect, there is no more to up in, no sign of forced entry. apparently a lot of people do the codes to keep that. the killer's wanda east and the committee might be in danger. and all these other unanswered questions. how could be two surviving roommates have slept through four of the mid-being murdered

in the same house? how could the killer disappear without a trace when a crime that is very messy. stabbing is very messy. as we heard the killer would have been published in blood. so this is not your typical whodunnit and i've covered a lot of crime and i've never seen anything like. this >> does this lead you to believe a serial killer is on the loose? >> well, i think could be too premature to offer me and offering opinion on that. does take me back to the case of ted bundy, who's a stroke of the northwest. once he escaped from jail in utah. he traveled down to the cloud make a house in tallahassee, florida. and he committed multiple more this inside that house. and they were a mess. so, we have seen this happen before, this is not the first time that you have an individual goes from one type of murdering to another type of murdering. but at this point, i think it is too soon to offering opinion on that. >> tom, nowadays, there are so

many cameras around. there's so many surveillance cameras. to somebody doorbell cameras. people have cameras. and so you see a little bit of the surveillance video of to the roommates who were out beforehand. but are you surprised at the police aren't releasing more video? or haven't said more yet? >> not a cirilli after take without much coverage footage they asked lee have to go through. so they're adding establishment. they're in a food truck. so this camera both those places. i would imagine there's cameras all over that campus. so they're trying to, you know, follow the bread crumbs. going back from the last known location. that we saw these individuals alive. and then go forward to where they were found. that, is being done, and also the collecting mounds of forensic evidence there. in the dorm room his tons of dna evidence they have to go through as well. so there's a lot of stuff to

deconstruct at that scene. it is an awesome tacitly haven't front of them. between local, state, and federal 30s involved. i would hope that this is expediting the situation a little bit. roughly working altogether. on the same page. and hopefully that would lead to some sort of a direction to go in, and we'll see with more evidence they can collect. obviously >> we'll stay on this mystery. tom, maher, variant, thank you very much, really patient your time. they were embryos frozen 30 years ago. now they're newborn twins. what summer call what oldest babies. their parents are here to share their amazing story. and why they made this choice. that is next.

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but clinch was running for president, the phones still had courts. and two babies, a reborn just weeks ago, we're frozen as embryos. they were kept protected liquid nitrogen at about 200 degrees below zero for nearly 30 years. until october 31st, little little and timothy ridgeway were born from what is connected the longest frozen embryos to ever result in a live birth. this is la quinta natural british enter. joining us now is the parents of this little twins, rachel and philippe ridgeway. great to see you guys. and how nice of the twins are sleeping at the same time. >> we've gotten pretty good at cornering that that with bottles and feet. the predictable this. h >> well down rachel, i had twins myself. well done and that is, you guys have already accomplished more than half of the battle. rachel, what made you want to

adopt, lack of a better word, these embryos? so not your own genetic material. and knowing that they were 30 years old? >> so, for, us we have for biological children already. the journey of having them gave us an appreciation for children, and pregnancy, because the first two required very little assistance. we heard but embryo adoption do our process of having children. the idea, for, me i'm giving birth to my adopted child seem like a dream come true. i enjoyed being pregnant. i am able to do it well. and it seems like kind of a no-brainer for me in regards to why wouldn't i do that? we will have a passion for life, and we believe that each of these children, in the freezer, are in the children that need saving. and for us, when we went to the and abc, we were looking at who was the most needy. who was waiting the longest for

a mom and a dad. these guys happen to be those embryos that had, as far as we can tell, but waiting at the end abc longer than any other embryos that were there. >> so interesting. but look, did you have any concerns, or did you talk to have any concerns about the fact that they have been frozen for 30 years? >> no. in fact, when we visited them for the first time. dr. gordon told us there is no such thing as like, frozen embryo syndrome, and as far as they know, there is no known shelf life. and these children can stay frozen, on ice, indefinitely. so there is no concern about the length of time that they were frozen. there is some concern about the freezing technologies at the time. whether the embryos would survive the thong process. but once they are thawed, there just like any other baby at that stage of development. >> modern medicine is incredible. that is just remarkable to

hear. i think that the previous, belongs record before you guys was 27 years. before that was 24 years. now, it is 30 years. it is incredible. but did you know that when you talk to these embryos that they were the oldest in the country? >> when you go into the -- they have a wall with some pictures of the record holders. so in my mind i knew the records are 27 years. it didn't hit me until after we had found that two of the three-day transferred, and planted, we had our first ultrasound. and everything looks well. and then kind across my mind. so, these guys are probably the new record holders. but under that mark milliner -- generation outsource later in the year. the fact that they have to be

the new record holders. but come to birth. but >> i'm you guys were saying that you basically considered rescuing these embryos. and you felt that they weren't being chosen. by other potential parents. i guess my question is, there are tens of thousands of frozen embryos. maybe hundreds of thousands of frozen embryos around the country. you can't give birth to all of them. i mean, what is your feeling about that? >> that is a good point. but i think we're sort of two problems. one is the but problem this murmur embers created and frozen every day. then there's downstream problem of what you do the empress that already are frozen. and you can do anything about the option problem. but we can't do anything about the downstream problem. and then adopting these two children may have been just a drop in the bucket. but these are two children

there are no longer sit in in liquid nitrogen waiting to be adopted. so whether his two children or however many that we accomplished what bautista -- rescued children. >> have you considered traditional adoption? if that had already been port. but >> no. that was never really a thought process for us. i know for some people, it definitely is a consideration. for us, and for our family, the idea that giving birth to our drop to child, we know that there's some new kids who still struggle with separation even if infants. and to be able to afford that trauma for them was really appealing to me. and really giving these children value. a lot of embryo, a lot of people look at embryos as somehow less than human. and the reality is that god created every single embryo, it

is because of him that they are living, but they are given life, and they each have value. they're made in his image. and we really wanted to show how somebody, and lydia, where embryos. but at the same children. they were the same children now as they were then. they were just smaller. and so we really want to give -- vanities bears are frozen we can show the world that they. deserve life. they should be given the opportunity to help life. one parents, and couple at a time. obviously, they're all sorts of ethical questions, science, in some ways had outpaced are ethical decisions about some of the stuff. you guys are just touching on all of that. it's really interesting to talk to you. i know that after 30 years able type have the kids from frozen embryos. so thank so much for taking the time, and for talking to us

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comedian jaylen him as a husband being treated for an industry. the former tonight show host, who's an avid collective cars, was injured in a gasoline fire a little more than a week ago. suffering burns to his face, chest, and hands. the burn center los angeles said he's making a full recovery. the hospital revealing a photo of lena with some of the medical students. we're back now with -- charlotte alter and national correspondent at the time magazine. guys, i am so happy to see this

because i was on the air last week when we first got word that this had happened. and it sounded really bad. it sounded as though he was not going to be at the hospital, in week. and so i am surprised that he's made this kind of recovery. >> it's great to see these photos. to see him recovering and healing. we also really loved that he posted these photos of him as he is in the healing journey. because we live in the age of transparency. everybody shares everything. but it's not assert what entity. people aren't really really but what they are going to. someone someone like toledo post this as he is feeling, not after the healing is done. but as he's going through it. i think what other people are going through it really offers a lot of comfort. and if we have to push on that for the little bit, i'm not sure if we can't. you can see that he is still swollen. i mean, i can see that the right side of the face, or the virus camera it does look like he is burned. but it doesn't look it hardly like jay leno. and, here again, i think it

really helps to see him sammy looking virtually normal. >> reports in the hospital say he's as old self. he's bring cookies for the staff. as a thought he was the nurses who treated him. and again share the journey to kind of give credit to the people who work through it. -- and trump had actually help get me suspended. from both fox and cbs. it was working. >> this was 2015. it was when i was very upset. i was at the, comes over, it was water scuffles politics. so it says to me, how are you doing? i'm not doing great. similar talk to you. hold on. and he is the king of the car. show he's in charge. this is the -- this the best show in america for cars. he comes inside with me. he says to me, i'm not gonna

leave you until you feel okay. so whatever it's gonna take. he made me laugh, he gave me advice. he's taken me to his garage. this guy's a prints. and i am so happy that he is back out. i want him back on tv. and everyone who's listening should know that not only jessie appear like a nice guy and private. or ntv. he's one for human being, and he really did. they brought me back. >> but subject but get well. get healthy. and you are awesome, and i owe you. i wouldn't any charity, owed to any charity view, because he did for me. >> you heard it here. jake butternut any charity. so get, well the franklin whatever you want. frank, that such a nice story. you're sharing that, thanks guys. all right, mark is facing one tragedy after another or as shootings, the political violence, what color leaders do to break the cycle. we are presidential story, jon

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