you detail senator pat the attacking lgbtq nightclub and colorado springs that killed five people and injured 19 others. authorities are bracing to heroes, that. club who took down the shooter. saving countless lives. and present but these in the statement on the tragedy saying, in part, quote. places that are supposed to be safe spaces of acceptance, and celebration. should never be turned into places of terror, and violence. it happens far too often. we must drive of the inequities that contribute to violence. oregon's lgbtq i plus people and cannot, and must, not tolerate hate. want to bring in a presidential story, and john meacham.

he's the author of and the was light. he also occasionally advises president biden. >> john, great to see was always. we do airport stories of violence. a report on stories a pickle violence. and the national dialogue. because like the worst ever been. i know, well, maybe ultimatums and. but can you put this in some historical context for us? >> sure, these tragedies unfold. and they unfold because it was going to send rather grand. and what we saw this incredibly sad story that had an element of heroism is the best in the worst of it. it is tragic and terrible that we have to have horrible things unfold when it comes to that kind of heroism and that is the nature of reality.

the way the life of the nation works, i think, is the way our lives work. we are called to do the right thing. we are called to accept others. we are called the lover nature is as ourselves. as scripture and every moral tradition odell folks to do or encourages folks to do. it is incredibly difficult. the extremity of this kind of mass shooting is the worst manifestation of the darkest impulses in human nature. and, so our answer has to be, overcoming darkness with lights. i will stick about doctor k didn't this weekend. and his sermon after the terrible church bombing of 16th street church in birmingham in 1963. or the fall of 1963. and his refrain in that storm, and for the funeral, for those

young women. was, by the, way the subject that they was the love forgives. and it was use sunday or their on their -- one climb diamond the charge. he had talked about how we had to find some way to bring good out of the. i think the story of the heroes of this tragedy are examples of that. >> absolutely. absolutely. do you think we're seeing is political violence? that how you would categorize this? >> these are hate crimes. another is debate about. that but this is driven by a specific of the case. all the predictable caveats there. there is a climate of hate. of seeing -- and your neighbor and have them

about their lives, when the bout yours. which is what democracy, wood or society is supposed to do. there is this intensity out there. that we can't see each other as neighbors. we have to see each other as enemies. and it is up to all of us to say no. that that cannot be the way we are. and if we don't learn a breeze as ourselves we have two attempts to do so. and to fight against and to stand against, i don't use the word fight. we have to stand against the objectification of other people. it is an american. if i may, for my tradition. it is unquestioned. it is it moral. it is unjust. it is wrong. and it is not that much more complicated.

>> i just read president biden's comments, and his reaction to this, and of course every president has had to deal with some sort of awful, thickening, heartbreaking violence. and here just a few examples of mashudu inks. >> the usual did come to buffalo. it is come to ultimately places. manifesting government who massacred and some people in name of hateful and perverse ideology. rooted in fair, and racism. >> the shooter in el paso posted a manifesto online consumed by racist hate. and one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry, and white supremacy. , the violent hate filled poison of antisemitism. must be condemned and confronted everywhere it anywhere it appears.

>> americans were targeted because country that has learned to welcome everyone. no matter who you are or who you love. and hatred towards people, because affects orientation but, regardless of where it comes from it is a betrayal of what is best in us. rachel and i know several members of the emanuel church. there is something particularly heartbreaking about the death happening at a place in which we seek solace. and we seek peace. in a place of worship. of siege on, that montage could've gone much longer. because it happens all too often. it is, three are the presidents have been able to successfully

bring down the temperature and have done it well? >> sure. it absent lows. cars as we talk about this is the human heart. and the perversion of appetite and ambitions. there are the way president speak about these actions. because it does set a tone. and the people can be skeptical about that. and even president obama said at one point we are past thoughts and prayers. and put in one quick thing, i'm a gun owner. says this place to be a duck somewhere near me. but my view is, these assault weapons, these weapons of war, they've come to our streets and our nightclubs. and our schools. and they must be restricted to military. it is not particularly a

debate. and for those in minded region, particularly south of said, oh no this is an encroachment on the second amendment. the test is this. what if one life is saved. because these assault weapons these assault weapons are more difficult to obtain. what if it your spout, with your child, and cannot let the perfect be the envy of the good for that. our presidents matters, presidents tone, can affect the temperature. i mentioned before, president biden honored that he's a friend and i have been when i can. i think is particularly well equipped to do that. i think president clinton did. after oklahoma city. oklahoma city is actually pretty good example here. because president clinton who had just had a terrible election, partly because he had

been disciplines in a bill that joe biden was critical to doing. and there is the terrible attack on the federal building in oklahoma city, and 1995. president clinton goes and takes -- that same season. george bush who had just been vindicated two years before resigns from the nra. because the nra had put out a fund raising letter referring to federal agents as jack booted thugs. and so joshi, the senior bush reside from there in a very important letter. so yes, it can make a difference. what would make the biggest difference is if we all remember that wet runs america, but should run america, is the declaration of independence. the declaration of independence begins with that majestic idea that we are all created equal and we're all endowed by our creator no matter are color, sexual

orientation, no matter what. and that is our mission statement. that is what we said we wanted to be. no one forced that on us. that's what folks who look like me decided they believe. in the late 18 century. 124 century. and that idea, that idea has to be made rail. and it has to be beginning and ending with a mutual respect for each other. >> jon meacham, thank you for reminding us. of all of that. really great to talk to you as always. and i want to bring in cnn's john berman and republica's absence -- and also charlotte alters back. great to have you here. that was inspiring. everything that jon meacham just said. but we also need to talk about the hideous crime that has happened. and crimes against lgbtq communities are up 41% since

2019. something is going. on and politicians are seizing on. it >> it is disgusting. that's a wonderful conversation had with jon meacham. in parts of it are uplifting. parts of it also, you can read as quite bleak. they top powders moments of light in these situations. the real heroes there. but the other way of looking at that. is that wasn't enough. undergo play some sound from one of these heroes that i had a chance to speak to earlier. who, in our conversation, was just broken up that he couldn't save more people. that there were five families without the level tonight. and no harrison stop that. and there's something going on, it is not just guns, it is not just racism, it is something insidious in our culture. and what happens at a gay bar, have a gay club, -- if you can't be gay at a gay

bar where can you? if you're not safe there, where are you safe? >> should we play that now. or do we want -- hold that thought, because i think that was incredible interview they did. he was incredible, john. incredible. these beacons of light among. us that we can draw strength from. but joe, in the meantime, politicians are seizing on this. and the simulator injured and 44 bills in state houses across the country. this year. that are considered anti lgbtq. what is it, protected from republicans, let's be honest. what is it that is so threatening to republicans? >> i think we need to take a step back. i think i would seize i what john said in the aftermath of oklahoma city. where those fema swears by bill clinton. you have lost too much, but you have not lost everything, you've not lost america. it feels as if, increasingly,

we have lost america. i am reminded of that old town of illinois, carlock illinois. where we used to, quite literally, their people difference amateurs. but by race, but by political affiliation. -- and so, i bring that up because when you look at what is happening here. we have the divisions in our politics, and in many ways. that have -- do you accept that it is republicans that are fueling the nasty talk about transgender filled, and -- >> thing i think that the reality is that there's an insidious horrific stream of anti lgbtq that are permeating in society. and yes, they're getting more action on the rights of the aisle. but i also think that there's

something that's bigger solidly. most of the people that i know are not anti lgbtq. but they do have some of the issues about being promoted and being made of that movement. and i think we have to draw sharp line is that no person should ever be harmed because of who they love, or how they lived, and no person should ever feel as if there is not a safe space to your point that if you cannot begin, and they gave, earth and where can you be gay. but certainly i think the problem has become that all this has been conflated as to one thing. if i described issues but i'm hostile to everything you stand for. and that is a real problem in our politics. it is blood over into things that middle particle i have a lot of conversations. >> well that, that we have to take a quick break, and we will be coming back and address all of this. stay with us, everybody, welcome back. we also continue to talk about johnson credible interview with russian figure. wendy who took down the gunman in colorado springs. we have a lot more to hear from after the break. ing here for years.

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authorities are praising to patriots who took down the shooter in the colorado springs lgbtq nightclub. one of those heroes, who served in the army for nearly 15 years told john berman tonight that he did to protect this family. john it's back with us back with joe opinion, and charlotte oats. let's just watch this euro describe this and then i'll get your reaction. >> i got to protect my kid. i lost my kids boyfriend. i tried. i tried with everybody in the. i still feel bad we for the people that -- [crying] the five people that didn't go home.

and this [bleep] this guy, i said i would kill you man because you tried to kill my friends. my family was in there. >> oh my gosh, it's so awful charlotte. and he is the hero. he survived and this is how traumatized he will be forever, basically. >> well, it's also amazing because this is a man who served his country for what? 15 years! and i asked to come back here and you skills that he learned in the line of duty to protect this family just on a night out trying to have fun with their friends. i mean the thing i keep thinking about is that as jon meacham said earlier there has always been a struggle between good and evil in this country but one of the things that's new is a social media ecosystem that amplifies the evil at the expense of the good. and i think that's one of the reasons that we are continuing to struggle with this over and over and over again in ways that feels so new because this hate gets mainstreamed in a way

where it can spread from one person to another even if they've never met each other, even if they don't live in the same community. even if they don't share any physical space. so it makes these vials views so much more infectious. >> john, we had an incredible interview that they did with him. and just listening to him and him processing out loud what he lived through. let's just listen to a little bit more of it. >> this whole thing was a lot. my daughter and why should have never experienced combat. -- and everybody in the villain experience called that. not to their own core but because they were forced to. i told the mayor that i am not a hero. i am just a guy who wanted to protect his kids and his wife. and i still -- >> it's so awful john. but i mean that's exactly what charlotte was saying. his daughter and wife should never had to experience combat in colorado springs,. >> no one in that bar.

no one in that barr should've had to go through anything like that. and to hear richard, retired army major, work through this, he's trying to process it. he doesn't want to be called a hero. he undoubtedly saved lives. you saved, i don't know how many lives there but to him the tragedy is that there were those who died still that he couldn't save everyone because there was evil in their. because there was someone and we still need to learn more. i know we still need to learn more. but it seems possible, it these that there is some deranged person who thought that a drag show was a threat to him somehow. >> that's right. and by the way there are politicians, one of whom is in colorado, congresswoman women boebert who had tweeted out that basically the sort of things groom children. i mean she had these inflammatory tweets. and now she saying that this

event is awful. but do you connect those things? >> look, i think that the problem that we have is that we live in a world where we are more connected than ever before. and also, so incredibly isolated by virtue of the events that we have made in technology. so how do you rectify those two things? how do you rectify somebody saying, i am uncomfortable with drag shows being exposed to children. but, at the same time saying that these are consenting adults who just wanted to enjoy a beard and now have been irreparably harmed for the rest of their lives. >> and what's the answer to that? >> and i think the hard truth this we don't really have all the answers. but we have to start by having, again, rigorous honesty with ourselves to understand completely that no person should be forced to carry this burden where they feel as if they can be safe not even within their own skin. >> all right, charlotte, one of the problems is that on social media people think that it is their community. in other words, something can be happening in nevada that they're not comfortable with and, suddenly, it sends them

into overdrive of panic. we've seen this time and again where they think that they have to do something about it. >> well, this is the thing. and i appreciate you sort of highlighting how much this has been particularly in the last year, driven by republican politicians who have leaned into scare tactics about lgbtq teachers or other figures who they think might be grooming children. an allegation which has no basis, in fact. and i do think that it is hard to argue that there is no political element to this when you have an entire party that has really capitalized on some of the parental inked around this to try to score political points. and, of course, there are going to be some, as you said john, the ranged people who take those ideas and twist them into some kind of hateful ideology. >> i think it's also important

how we have the conversation, right? i think that pretending that peoples anxieties in their personal bias does not exist is probably a really bad way to start the conversation. i think we have to confront them head on. -- legitimate reasons that we should be concerned. but here is on a case by case basic. by a school district basis. why those fears should either be rightfully acknowledged or why there is no basis in reality. so, i think again, what ends up happening is that something so unimaginable and so tragic happens where the rage overwhelms our ability and our capacity to really be able to have that -- >> and sometimes it's both. sometimes they don't need to have the fear but they have the fear. and so we just continue to have these conversations. guys, thank you, i really appreciate all of you being here. so, from the controversy to the first match for the un's men national team in qatar you've got your world cup news, next.

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day two of the world cup in the u.s. tied wells in the first game. you've gotta see this go from timothy wales. that's impressive. the u.s. tie happening today amid widespread controversy, of course, over this year's host qatar. joining us now soccer journalist, brent wall. also tommy you tour host of the world corrupted podcast and cofounder of cricket media. guys, thanks so much for being here. grant, what happened? so you are detained you are wearing a rainbow shirt and then what happened? >> yes, i arrived at the

stadium and i was checking in through security but security didn't let me through, they said that i had to take off my shirt, i told them i wouldn't and they detained me for about 30 minutes, they forcibly took my phone, would not give it back really angrily trying to get me to take my shirt off and wouldn't, so, finally eventually a commander of security came down after about 30 minutes and they let me through wearing my shirt. and they apologized, fifa apologized fifa has made it clear that there should be no problem with anyone wearing rainbow gear of any kind at this world cup but it's clear that the qatari regime has other ideas. >> and, grant, what were those 30 minutes like? was that frightening, was it just annoying? what was being detained like? >> yes i mean it was annoying at first and then it got a little intense. you know, they made me stand,

up turn around and face a cctv security camera with someone that the under and looking at me. and i guess, rendering judgment of some sort and this is just another example of fifa really doesn't control this world cup. it's the qatari's. and i think that they like to show that. it's illegal to be gay in this country, qatar, by the way. so this is something that has been a concern about how it qatar officials in force things on the ground. i didn't mean to make this or intend to make this public at all. i was just doing something that i was told would be very easy to do and wouldn't be a problem at all. >> tommy, was it a mistake to have the world cup in qatar? >> absolutely. i mean even said blood, or the wildly corrupt former head of fifa has said that it was a mistake and that is because women are treated like second class citizens in qatar. lgbt people can be imprisoned for same-sex relationships and

because migrant workers in qatar have been compared to modern slave labor, and the gardenias people reported that something like 6500 migrant workers have died since qatar was awarded the world cup in 2010. so it's a stain on fifa, it was an absurd choice from the beginning. >> tommy, is there any advantage to it being there so that all of this bubbles to the surface? i mean i think that we have some video of the iranian team and they made this silent protest today. i think that we could play some of this, so basically it's not as though all of this has been swept under the rug, this has all just come to the floor. >> yes what those iranian players did today was extraordinarily courageous. they didn't sing the national anthem in protest of the treatment of women across iran. the woman named mohsen minnie was so-called murdered by the police several months ago. and they've been protesting

ever since. but the world cup had been in france, for example or england or the united states, those iranian players could've launched the same protest without thousands of migrant workers being harmed to construct all of the stadiums in qatar. i mean, that's the problem, qatar has no soccer history. they have no infrastructure. they literally had to build eight stadiums and they did it on the backs of these migrant laborers who paid money to get jobs in qatar, go deep into debt and then get these brutally abusive jobs where they're outside working in construction at 100 degrees summers. so there's just no good reason to have this tournament in qatar, it was entirely based on corruption. grant, it's hard to enjoy it against that backdrop but i know that that is part of the challenge, certainly for viewers, tell us about the u.s. team and what we need to know. will the u.s. team is very young they're the first u.s. team to get back to the world cup in eight years after missing out four years ago, some of these u.s. players are

playing at the top european clubs, one has even won the champions league but they're trying to earn backed respect for american soccer and they played a tremendous first half last night they were up one nil and scored a really nice, cool second have things changed as it often doesn't, soccer wills was able to get a penalty to equalize lead in the game so they left feeling almost like it was a loss, not a tie through u.s. because it felt like a win and three points was really attainable there. i don't think people should think the sky is falling, though, this u.s. team does have a decent chance to advance they just need to play well the rest of the way. they've got england in the next game, iran after that and we will see what happens here. >> okay, grant, tommy. thank you very much for your perspective. great to talk to both of you. we are back with the panel now. john, you know -- >> we're just laughing because grant just said several sentences there and you are nodding as if you understood

everything. >> i'm trying. i know you're adding me right now because you know so well that i know nothing about sports but i yet do have to do support. and, listen, here's the bit of honest truth, everything i know about soccer i learn from ted. >> which is all you need to know. >> which is all i need to note, thank you. and ted actually weighed in on the game there were posters from ted lasso set up and ted lasso said that matt, this was to the u.s. player mad. we'll call me marry! because i certainly am proud of you turner. that is so ted lasso. matt turner was the starting key player for the great game and he led in the piqué. but it's impossible to say the peak. first of all grant wall was the best circle journalist that america has ever had. everyone should follow him and paid for's scripted. he's terrific, i don't know if you know this but i think my full-time job right now is to watch the full cup. cnn has and said, that but i'm assuming that's what they want me doing so i'm watching every game right now. so no one else has to. selfless. >> yes, it was great, the u.s. played so well for almost all

of the game but the tie was kind of lousy. >> i am just downed that you can and with the tie. you taught me that. >> in the group stage, you can and with the tie want to advance, which hopefully the u.s. will do, that's the knockout stage and then it goes into overtime and their penalty shootouts. >> okay, i'm gonna rely on all of you for all of this, so let's keep on watching. >> thank you guys, meanwhile protesters in iran are standing up for women and human rights but many, of, course are facing brutal retaliation for defying the regime and some are facing sexual violence. we have a cnn exclusive investigation to show you, next. >> “nice smile, brad.” “nicece!” “thanks?” crest 3d white. 100%0% more stain removal. crest. the #1 toothpaste brand in america. i'm lindsey vonn, and ever since i retired from skiing, i've had trouble falling asleep and staying asleep. you know, insomnia. before i found quviviq, an fda-approved insomnia medication for adults.

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tonight, a cnn exclusive investigation on the rainy and regime brutal crackdown against the protests that have broken up since the death of a young woman, in police custody, for allegedly failing to cover her hair properly. and testimony, verified by cnn, brave women and men are coming forward with testimony of sexual assault and rape at the hands of security forces. we want to warn you, the subject matter we are about to report is disturbing. here is cnn's reporter. >> over these mountains is iran. a regime that has succeeded in cutting many of its people off from the outside world.

but disturbing stories, detailing the authorities brutal -- , systematic sexual violence against anti redeem protesters have began leaking out. we come here to the kurdish region of high rock to try to find out more. this is hannah, not her real name, a kurdish iranian woman recently smuggled out of iran. she fears for her life. after taking off and burning her head scarf on the streets. she was arrested and detained by iranian intelligence officers. >> they choose the women who are pretty and suited their appetite. then the officer would take them smaller into a private room, and they would sexually assault them there. hannah isn't only an eyewitness. she was also violated. i feel shy talking about this. you can still see what the policeman did. look here, on my neck, it's purplish. that is why i'm covering it. he forced himself on me.

>> then, if i broke up with another protester. drawing away earnest attacker. hannah and others could hear screams. and they believed a woman was raped in an interrogation room. hannah sketched out the police station as she remembers it. she estimates 70 to 80 men and women were together in a main hall that accessed full, private interrogation room. it was in these interrogation rooms, she said, that she was assaulted and others were raped. cnn was able to locate the police station through hanna's description. i witnessed covid of ossian and geolocation ouzinkie landmarks. it is in the islamabad neighborhood of -- based on the terror monee and speaking to a number of sources, a pattern of oppression comes into focus. police enters, used infiltration points, you moving protesters from one location to another. often families left not knowing where their loved ones are held.

when iraq these kurdish militant party puck identified over 240 people who, they believe are missing within this maze of detention centers. human rights organizations believe the number is higher in this -- thousands some of the victims, as young as 14. many are men supporting female protesters. they're punishment as severe as the women's. [inaudible] >> they brought foreman over who had been beating. screaming in another cell. and one of the men who have been tortured was sent to the waiting room where i was. i asked him, what all that screaming was about. he said, they are reaping the men. >> based on witness testimony, cnn trace the location to an iranian army intelligence headquarters. voiced here by a translator, a 17-year-old boys sent cnn a voice not following his imprisonment. we are withholding his name and location for his safety.

>> translator: when the security guard heard me discussing the rape of another prisoner. they tortured, raped me from behind. >> even the authorities visited sexual violence on protesters. virgin figures accused female protesters of prostitution. of quote, wanting to be naked. of the incident of sexual violence against protesters, inside iranian detention facilities, most occurred in the kurdish majority areas to the west of iran. home to a historically oppressed minority. disturbingly, in some cases, the rapes were filmed and used to blackmail protesters into silence. there has been a real escalation where female protesters are, as you can see here, being openly assaulted. often, sexually. but the violence against women like the protests are not confined to the kurdish areas. they are often focused on locations where the protests are most intense like here in

the capital of tehran. >> one of these stories is i meet a hub bussey. a typical 20 year old on social media. sharing her love of animals -- >> in social media post, appearing under her name, her like any other young women criticize the regime openly after the protests began. unlike most, she did it without an immunity. it didn't take long for security forces to find an arrest or. she disappeared. soon after whistleblowers began to post on various social media platforms. medics sharing eyewitness accounts of what had been done to her. first of all, they say, well there were a few plainclothed men with her and they did not let her out of her side. even during a private medical examination, they were there. she was my patient, i want to her bedside, they had shaved

her hair. she was scared and was trembling. when she first came in they said, it was rectal bleeding due to repeated rape. the plane closed men insisted that the reports from prior to her arrest and after this issue was becoming obvious to all, they changed the entire scenario altogether. the details of these leaks were confirmed to cnn by an insider at the hospital where she was brought to be examined. in a statement, the government said that she was treated for digestive problems. the medics who treated her said that was not true. the iranian regime denies the rape, accusing her of leading protest and allegations which could see her face the death penalty. at this usually busy border crossing between iraq and iran, it is deceptively quiet. those who can cross tell us the noose is tightening on

protesters. authorities have, for decades, used sexual torture against iranians. and it appears, once more, a familiar pattern. sexual violence deployed during force an assertion of moral guardianship. cnn, iraqi kurdistan. >> well, thank you for exposing the awfulness of what's happening on the ground. and we'll be right back. hey sammy, what kind of movie are we going to make? make something real, not imaginary. i want to make movies though.

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this weekend. it only took in two point $3 million which is much less than it was supposed to. and less than the other movies from this weekend. why? that's what hollywood wants to know. back with that is more as kuempel,, and laura. so it's about the sexual assault and harassment that harvey weinstein suggested people to. why is this not doing well? >> yeah, and you think it would do well because it's also about empowerment. these two female reporters who bring him down and he gets his just do. but part of it is that we're still two to close to. it's not because were traumatized and we can't bear to look at it but it's still playing out. harvey weinstein is don't courtrooms. he still facing trial. >> it's happening in realtime. and i, think we need a little bit of distance to see recreation into really appreciated. the other thing is is that we think are at the time where we just want to escape it. and, when you look at the top movies of the, year it's like tom cruise and dinosaurs and minions. that's what people want. charlotte, do you think it says something about the mid to movement that people are done with it? >> i don't know that people are

done with it. but i do just think that the vibe has shifted. i mean, we're just in a very different place in 2022 than we were in 2017 when this seemed very new and -- >> ever-present. >> yes, ever-present. and so i don't think the movement is over. i just think it has and looks very different now than it did in 2017. and i almost think that a movie like this might have done a lot better if it came out in ten or 50 years where wasn't so fresh to people. but i actually saw it and i liked it. >> i was getting critical claim. that's one of the most mysterious thing about. it people think it's an excellent movie, but they're not gonna see it. what do you think joe? >> i think people wanted to dress up for wakanda. was empowering. it was about culture and transcends their everyday life. i think when you look at what happened to harvey want steve, i think one he wasn't as popular. unilaterally, i think as many people thought he was within the industry. but i think also beyond that, people just want to be happy. the elections just ended.

time is everything with the movie. i think wrong weekend with wakanda forever at the top of the ticket, so to speak degree do not have a chance. >> so does nothing to do with me to, you think people just wanted to skip it. >> yeah. >> you guys, thanks so much for being here. great talking to all of you tonight. great to have you here with me. and thanks to all of you for watching. i'll see you tomorrow night. our coverage continues, now. at adp, we understand business today looks nothing like it did yesterday. while it's more unpredictable, its possibilies are endless. from paying your people from anywhere

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