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nightclub. john brought him here, in for anderson. -- so she went into combat mode to disarm the gunmen who opened fire at club q, saturday night, in colorado springs. authorities accredited him and another man, thomas james, with saving lives. >> two absolute heroes. if not for them, i don't know how many other people would've been injured. one of them was injured, and it's in the hospital, but they did an amazing job. >> as it stands, the government, armed with a handgun and an ar-15 style rifle, killed five, and wounded 17 others. chief vazquez named them this evening, saying that too often, we lose track of the victims when focusing on the suspect. something we will not do tonight, except to say, he had a previous violent encounter

with the law. he now faces murder and possible hate crime charges. the victims, then, r. kelly loving, actually pop, raymond greene vance, daniel aston, and derek. our hearts go out to those -- we can tell you tonight that -- helping foster children. her husband said she was a loving mother whose daughter was his hold world, and that -- kelly loving's sister released a brief statement tonight calling her sweet, caring, and a wonderful person. -- worked as a bartender at the club. his sister says that in colorado springs, he found a

community he loved very much. he made a difference in so many peoples lives, she said. and that's where he wanted to be. derrick worked side by side with daniel aston. he was a bar supervisor, the best anybody could ask for, says another bartender. daniel move to colorado springs to be closer to his parents. his mother said he thought himself shy, but wasn't. he had so much more life to give us, she said. raymond greene vance's family said he just landed a new job and couldn't wait to save enough money to get his own apartment. they say he was a kind in selfless long at all with his entire life ahead of him. he was at club q with his longtime girlfriend and her parents, including her father, richard ferraro, who did help stop the government, but not before raymond was fatally wounded. richard when i spoke just before airtime, and i do want to warn you, it's a raw, emotional discussion. what he describes is as graphic as you might imagine. >> major fierro, take us back to when the gunman first entered the club. what happened? you're quoted in the new york times ugandan to combat mood. what instinct kicked in from utah and iraq and afghanistan? >> listen. first of all, i just want to say, this is in no way about me. my daughter is grieving the loss of her boyfriend. he was in our lives for six

years. raymond was a great young man. he was on his way to do some amazing things. and for me, right now, it's about healing. i have two friends still in the hospital that were shot. my best friends. my whole colorado springs family was there. and so, what i think i was doing was protecting their family, which is what i do. and sometimes, to a fault. and i do things because, you know, fight or flight, i think i'd tend to go fight a lot more. i don't know if it's good or not, doesn't matter. either way, i went to the ground -- best they could, and we both hit the ground, me and shep. i put my back -- i tried to stand up, and i fell. and i fell against -- it's like a benched seeding kind of, and at that point, i saw the shooter. i had no idea what was going on. but apparently, i saw him going to the patio area, because i saw a lot of people in the window. it might not even been window. but i saw a lot of people, and this guy was there, and i saw

that pattern, and for me, that was, like there's a handle, i'm getting it. so i ran across the room, grabbed the handle, pull them down, and then started to,, well actually i think i went for his gun. his rifle flew in front of him, and the young man that tried to jump in there with me, we both either pulled him down, or whatever. but he ended up at his hand, and right next to the ar, and then with the ar, i told them, push the ar, get it away from the kid. push the ar. i don't know what his name was. and then, i proceeded to take his other weapon, a pistol, and just start hitting him where i could. but the arm was in the way, and i found a crease between his arm and his side, and it just st gun. and then, i told the kid in

front of me, keep kicking him. and i was talking people, call 9-1-1, call 9-1-1. i bottom down, i -- i was in mode. i was doing what i did, what did you down range. a train for this. i don't want to ever do this. i didn't even retire, i was just done doing this stuff. it was too much. and, you know, it came in handy. and i've gotta protect my kid. i lost my kid's boyfriend. i tried. i tried with everyone in their. i still feel bad. [crying] it's five people that didn't go home. and this [bleep], the guy, i told him while he was hitting him, i'm gonna kill you, man, because you tried to kill my friends. my family was in there. my little girl was in there. >> we're so sorry for the loss that you and your family have come through. for the loss of your daughter's boyfriend. we're so sorry for your two friends that are still

recovering in there. and i can't imagine going through what you and your family did, even with your training. your training was for war zones. you trained to do that in combat. not out for a night on the town. >> yeah. but it lives and you. if you actually do this stuff, it's a new. i was proud to be a soldier. i don't like these guys running around here, gi just enough, and they're not. i'm not a gi joe. just a normal guy, man. i'm protecting my family. and i reached up, and i did what i had to do. honestly, i don't care about myself in that moment. i cared about everybody around

me. and i cared especially about my family. as soon as i got done with that kind, and the cop came in, i went across the room and stated first aid with my friend who was shot in the chest, and the legs, and the arms. and i said, john, stay with me, like me in the eye, stay with me. and i moved her head so she wouldn't see her -- because he was shot. her husband was right there, reaching for her. so i put her hand in his hand. so they could be together. i didn't know if they were gonna make it. [crying] this [bleep] guy man, this whole thing was a lot. my daughter and wife should've never experienced combat in

colorado springs. and everybody in that building experience combat that night. not to their own court, but because they were forced to. i tell my daughter, for me downrange, who is always, hey, get in the next patrol. and you're done. get over it. get in the next patrol, get over. it nobody not doubting has the option to get on the next patrol. they've gotta live with this now, until -- it's a lot for any human, man. this kid that was helping me was kicking another human in the head, and i told him to do it. i don't know what to do, you know? there was a beautiful -- one of the performance was walking by when the kid was getting tired of kicking, and she -- she helped and kick them with a high heels that she had on, and then ran. because she's probably scared. i don't know what's going on there. i was trying to get people to call the police, and that was a. i told the mayor, i'm not -- i'm not a hero. i'm just a guy that wanted to protect his kids and his wife. and i still didn't get to protect her boyfriend. [crying] >> major, you helped a lot of people. you helped a lot of people. and no one should ever, ever go through what you or your family, or the people in that byron went through that may. tell us about raymond vance. tell us about your daughter's boyfriend. how will you remember him? >> i'm holding her hand,

they're going through a lot, man. she's 22. she loved this boy. she's been with him. we want to go see her junior prom date. kid was with her since elementary school, got here in 2007, and i was still in the army. her best friend, we went to see perform a drag show. he was amazing. great kid. and then, this happens, and my daughter loses her prom date, her boyfriend that she's been with forever. his mom, we were telling her, we thought he was out there somewhere. she came by the house when we were at the hospital. i was still with the cops, and i'm -- how do we get raymond? [crying] >> sorry. i'm just so sorry. as the someone's rolling shelter there. how are you? how are your wife and daughter doing? >> they're hurting, man.

the hurting bad. but we had to do what we can. and was strong, man. we walked out, i told the three of them while we ran away to the hospital, i said, we've got to be strong for the three of us. last night, when me and my daughter -- we told each other we're gonna be there for each other the whole time. we still get to get the sky, man. we've gotta face some in court. i feel know, no sorry for that dude. i hope he's in the hospital hurting. because he [bleep] killed my family. >> major, you've been strong for a lot of people. now, people are gonna be there for you and help take care of you, and you're gonna take care of each other through this. i know it's not easy, no it's gonna be a tough several days and weeks and months, and some

of the pains never gonna go away. but you helped a lot of people. you helped a lot of people, and i want to thank you for what you've done. want to thank you for talking to us tonight. please take care of yourself. you wife and daughter, give them giant hugs for us. >> before you go, i want to apologize for the people that didn't get their kids. because all of them deserved to get their kids home tonight. >> no question about that. all those people deserve to be home with their families tonight. and i'm not. for her and she made -- army major, richard fierro, thanks for what you did. you're a hero. >> thank you. >> our best to you and your family. >> thank you. >> as the colorado springs police chief said today, at least 17 people suffered gunshot wounds saturday night. they're -- recovering tonight after being shot seven times, and we spoke to him just a short time ago.

>> so, first of all, how are you doing and where do things stand with the recovery? >> i'm, i'm doing very well. i didn't expect to make. i sure did not expect to walk as soon as i'm walking. i walked today. i don't know whether or not i'm gonna be able to actually -- rehabilitation thing. >> what a miracle. walk us through, if you can, what happened inside the club. >> so, i've never been there before. i just moved to colorado a couple weeks ago. and i wanted to check it out. i wasn't even there, probably 30, 45 minutes. to try to give you guys an example, to pin a picture, i've never heard gunshots and a club before besides that time. i hind -- go off.

and that kind of sounds like a gunshot, but a lower version of it. because the music so loud. so when you hear gunshots, it's like a latter version of a balloon. but it was repeatedly, pop, pop, pop. and then, about 7 to 10, i knew something was wrong. i look to my right, the gunman, the door and shot, the gunman was standing there, and this dude put his hands down, or put them up, but put them down, and took a step or two back. and the gunman murdered him

right in front of me. that's when, you know, i'm all over the place. i apologize. i'm in a lot of pain. i actually, everyone took off running. i took off running to the back. and i got shot. and now i got shot a few times. i fell down, he proceeded to shoot me, i got back up, i made it out of the back of the club. i've been shot seven times. i've been grazed once. i hopped on a table, about a ten -- climb to 10 to 12 foot fence.

it might of had barbed wire on top, i don't know. iran about 20 to 30 yards, jumped down about 10:15 feet off of the ledge, and i ran across the street to 7:11, where i collapsed dog. i -- these people help me. they stop the bleeding. they saved my life. and they had me almost completely naked, because they had to cut my clothes off to find out where i was bleeding from and everything. and once they started counting the bullet holes and got past five, i got my phone and called

19. because, i mean my dad are best friends. it's a great relationship. and, it was the last person i wanted to talk to. i don't know how i'm here. i do not, do not know how in here. i don't know how i'm walking. all seven bullets missed my spine, missed my liver, miss mike holden. the company in five places in my chest and put cameras on and went through everything. and i got really, really lucky. i don't know why i'm still here. >> you've got more to do. you've got more to do in this life. >> -- what was that like? >> i just remember crying and telling him i loved. i loved him and i knew i had

been shot. and, after that, somebody took the phone, because i don't really do sentences. i start shaking real bad, and thank god i do work out a lot, and i did my breathing exercises. and i stopped shaking, and -- 20, 30 minutes to get their. i called them, i don't call the gas station -- the past. it stopped. and i thought they were actually about to take me in a car, but finally, the police arrived. then, fire, then make back. when they came to see me in the hospital. >> what do you want people to know? as you sit here, recovering tonight. >> that's a great question. . i had no clue i was sitting here. what's helped me -- it's actually not the worst thing that's happened to me in life. it's sharing other peoples stories. so if i can help just one person, help them in any way i

can, then i think i did good. and i'm a people pleaser. i know you see me sitting here smiling. even before this happened, i always look at the cup half full. and i will never -- known tinkle ever look at anything to go, oh, this hurts, more, in a negative way. so much has changed the last 48 hours. >> erin, i've gotta say, it's miles making us all feel better. we're so happy to see you smiling. it's gonna be a hard recovery, not just physically. but i think emotionally and mentally. take the time you need and please take care of yourself. >> yes, sir. yes, sir. thank you guys. >> next, colorado's governor

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last few days. the new york city police department said today they're seeking a suspect in a window smashing and an lgbtq bar on saturday. with us now is jared polis. he's the governor of colorado, and governor polis, thank you for being with us tonight. i'm so sorry, it's under these circumstances. walk us through, if you can, just how big part of the community club q is tonight in colorado springs, and how members of the community are doing. >> first, thank you to american hero richard, and thank you for featuring him on your show. his actions, along with the actions of thomas james, helped save the lives of dozens of other attendees of club q. this is our second city in colorado. it's a respite for people across not just el paso county, but southern colorado, northern new mexico, a place that builds

community in areas of the state and the country which is sometimes more difficult to be who they are. and even beyond the lives that were shattered, irrevocably lost, this is just a blow to so many people who saw this as a place of safety and of refuge. >> you see this attack and the threats against gays this past summer during prime. -- calling for gays to be executed. does something feel different this time around? maybe even more dangerous for a community that's been the victim of bigotry and violence for so long? >> you know, it's easy and tempting just attuned the crazy talk about. . we all see, it whether it's your facebook or twitter page, or comments in the media. but it's too dangerous -- you need to call it out aggressively, and say it's not okay to say that one group of americans is the american -- enemy just because of who they

are or who they love. we need to focus on unity. we need to focus on the true belief that we have value, care about, and love each other. >> he signed a red flag law in 2019. is it clear to you why it wasn't used against this alleged shooter prior to the attack? as you know, just last year, law enforcement arrested this person for threatening to cause home to his mother with a, quote, homemade bomb. multiple weapons and ammunition. >> so, again, we don't have all the specifics of this case. i wanna speak generally to what the red flag law allows and should allow for in a case where somebody, let's say, threatens to bomb or shoot something. let's say the charges are dropped or not pursued. it's a way that at least that person loses legal access to their weapons. right? if they won't go to prison for it, after not convicted in court, at least for a period of time, until they recover their mental health, they lose access to weapons. this is a waiter isn't to use

helps -- self harm and suicide, as well as violent actions. we meet law enforcement officers across the state to make sure they use it when appropriate to improve public safety. it's a powerful tool. we want to make sure that's available in the state of colorado and other states that have red flag laws. >> should've been used this time around? >> well, look. we haven't seen the specifics of exactly what the charges where. it certainly looks like, in a case where, you know, there was a connection, violence that was threatened, of gun violence that was threatening, that type of case would be a good candidate for a red flag law, which can be brought by the family, or it can be brought by law enforcement. by sheriff's office or police department. look, they'll be a lot of opportunities -- to learn about what steps across the nation we need to take to improve safety. but first of all, let's make sure we focus on the rhetoric of healing rather than of divisiveness. we focus on love rather than hate. we're stronger because of our

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>> tonight, we have more information in the investigation to the mysterious murders of four university of idaho students. it's been more than a week since the students were found that an off campus home. at this hour, the search continues for us. back moscow police say they have fielded more than 600 tips, and conducted 90 interviews. and they're trying to fill in the holes in the hours leading up to the murders. according to police, to the victims used a private party for our ride home that night. all four were back at the house by about 1:45 am. the sister of one of the victims told the new york times, they were seven unanswered calls moore sisters phone to her former boyfriend between

he's also the coauthor of, to end a -- professor, great to see you tonight we have enough chance to talk to you, what's your reaction to the appointment of the special counsel by the attorney general? >> i think that it was the right move, although i had urged doing this many months ago, in march but more recently i thought that because merrick garland was apparently not really ready to proceed that he ought to pull things together and bring indictments. the evidence was clear enough and i thought appointing a special counsel might delay things. -- he came off of the war crime falls that he's handling in kosovo. he was charged on corruption

files. he's battled hard in. he's absolutely ready. and garland emphasized the need for speed. he's clearly not come back from the hag in order to preside over the winding up of an unsuccessful investigation. the marching order -- rising both out of mar-a-lago and the attempt to overturn the election. >> well, how complicated would it be, practically speaking to bring indictments against a former president running for president and to do it in a timely enough fashion. someone of the case wouldn't be bumping up to presidential election. well, the sooner the better the delays that are bound to be part of the former president strategy will make it bump up against the election.

but merrick garland is not going to let that the turn at all. he's made that clear. the fact that we had someone who thinks that he could protect himself by claiming that he wants to be president that's all fine. but it's not up to him. interestingly, he said he doesn't have to participate to work in the special counsel. and that's nice. no one's asking him. it's not up to him. the special counsel has very broad power, the ultimate decision of whether and when to indict and for which of them, the many available charges is going to be up to merrick garland. but while he's running the entire justice department with 150,000 employees, 100 investigations all over the world, garland cannot be the person to handle the day today decisions in this investigation of the prosecution -- and they don't need to be relic to the totem pole of the bureaucracy of the department

of justice. because the marching orders of the special counsel or to rishi cook lucian as expeditiously and fairly as possible. to put it on the party generals desk, the attorney general will look at it and have a reason to approve it. >> you brought up what the former president said he would not partake in the investigation, obviously that is of his choice. i mean he's presumably the subject of this investigation. it's quite clear by the opponent of the council. what do you think that is tragedy will be going for? >> philly the way and doing. that's all he's got going for him. don't think that he has any good defenses. but one of the points that he said is that he's going to defend against the charges of mishandling the top secret information by saying there was no other top secret that he had thought that he declassified just by thinking it was declassified. the tele-but the defense. that's not gonna get him

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>> tonight, we have more information in the investigation to the mysterious murders of four university of idaho students. it's been more than a week since the students were found that an off campus home. at this hour, the search continues for us. back moscow police say they have fielded more than 600 tips, and conducted 90 interviews. and they're trying to fill in the holes in the hours leading up to the murders. according to police, to the victims used a private party for our ride home that night. all four were back at the house by about 1:45 am. the sister of one of the victims told the new york times, they were seven unanswered calls moore sisters phone to her former boyfriend between

2:26 and 2:52 am that night. the sister also said their home was known to be a party house. and previous visitors might have had access to their door code. despite, this there still is more questioned then answers at this point. joining me now, is joyce of hln's real life nightmare, retired cold case investigator, paul holes. paul, great to see. you what do you make of this case so far. particularly, a scarcity of information, or at least lack of publicly released information. do you think authorities know more than they're revealing? >> there's no question that authorities know more than what they're revealing. but i think as i'm watching this case. and watching it unfold. i think authorities are still trying to figure out exactly what they're dealing with. a nationally, they came out and said, this appears to be a targeted attack. there's no concern to the rest of the public, but since then they've retracted that. i believe, as they investigate this case, they're starting to realize that it's maybe more

complicated than what they first thought. >> how so? >> well, i believe what's happening is that you have four victims. and this is obviously a huge case. it's very complicated. when they went into this crime scene, they likely saw that maybe one or two the victims had more violence inflicted on them, the offender spent more time with them. and they thought, these were the intended targets. the other victims in the house were secondary. so, they focused their initial investigation thinking, okay, it's gonna be something like a relationship of some sort. -- that's the offender had with those particular victims. however, what that not panning out, what their understanding as, there is a possibility that the offender, the killer, is a complete stranger to these victims. and the reason that they're seeing that the victim had more violence on them, was due to

the circumstances as violence was being inflicted. >> the details we mentioned about the hours leading up to the murders. how crucial is the timeline, how far would you go back? looking >> the timeline is absolutely crucial. it's possible that that night, that while the victims are out, enjoying their college years. that the offender could've interacted with them, saw them, and followed them back. so, that's absolutely mandated to follow up on. however, and right now the only released information of the victims timelines for that evening. oftentimes, killers make the decision to kill within 72 hours, three days before the attack. so, they need to go back and actually figure out, what's been going on with -- three days prior to this attack, if not -- >> you have 30 seconds left,

can you wrap your head around the fact that there were two other roommates who seem to have slept through the murders, and were not attacked? >> well, from afar, you have six people inside this house, four are killed. for me, where these victims inside the house. these two roommates may have had a house that's more isolated than the other victims were. that's why they were spared. or maybe they weren't the target of this particular offender. >> paul holes, we appreciate your time trying to understand, which is still a big mystery. you can see more of paul on real life nightmare on sundays at 9 pm on hln. just ahead, we're going to go live to ukraine with a cnn exclusive look at how kherson was liberated. sam kiley visits a recon unit that includes fighters from the west, with experience by isis in syria, florida they helped liberate the city. so you only pay for what you need. and by switching, you could even save $652.

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an inside look at the battle

for kherson in ukraine as they urge people to evacuate with issues with infrastructure heading into the brutally cold month. cnn has obtained video in the reconnaissance unit involved in the fight against the russians. many in the unit are from the u.s., and some also fought alongside the kurds in the isis and senior. our own san kiley has the story. >> hypervigilance, these foreign volunteers reliving weeks of fear and victory in the battle for kherson. many veterans of the current campaigns against isis in syria, now they work beyond the front lines. deep into enemy territory for ukraine. >> we will get so close to the russians that we would hear

them talking. we could hear them cooking their food and chopping their wood to build their shelters. >> -- laundrie's military calls on is nikki. that is what the military units under his command must be. getting spotted here in the campaign to capture kherson is nearly fatal. but they make off with a trove of stolen documents and russian technology, all leading to moments like this. the obliteration of a russian command center and the surrender of a russian senior sergeant, a paratrooper abandoned by his comrades in retreat. >> russian take the captain -- >> is that him? >> no. >> he tells them that he has

been hiding out for six days, then warns the ukrainians that russian aircraft could attack. >> they've been bombing here a lot, he says. he is injured, but now safe. russian airstrikes on their abandoned position are constant danger for the recon units during the grinding advance on kherson during the autumn. stinger antiaircraft missiles are mixed blessing. messing with one, can get retribution from the air. recon is about gathering intelligence and hunting targets using drones to find tune artillery, for months bringing in strikes like this trying to force the russians to

run and suddenly, across the whole front, that is what they did. run. in chasing the russians out, crossings like this have often been hit with artillery and are a mortal gamble. survival meaning relief. but the rewards they say, are worth it. >> of course when i see villagers, when i see ukrainian military for the first time in who knows how long, eight months at least, of course you get a little period. you see everybody crying and thanking us for our help for helping liberate their village. of course, it gets you. [speaking non-english] >> just incredible footage. sam kiley joins us now. what a report sam. in addition to that i do want

to mention one area of concern over the last few days with shelling in this operation power plant. what is the latest on that? >> well, as you know john, it has been a problem since march since the russians captured that nuclear power station. they have ukrainian staff and russian eu nuclear scientists working their. the problem is that it is also a fire base used for the russians, so over the weekend the international atomic energy authority, which has inspectors, has observers rather, in that plant precisely to keep an eye out for this kind of eventuality said that it is very heavy shelling indeed. very close to the plant, hitting a number of elements of the planet itself. not, crucially, the nuclear reactors. there are six there, it is the biggest in europe. but causing great consternation once again, john. >> sam kiley, just terrific. thank you, stay safe. we will be right back.

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