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all be back tomorrow night. our coverage continues with allison, hi. alison >> hi casey. good evening. this is cnn tonight, i'm alison comrade. a new account from one of the heroes who stopped the gunman in the lgbtq nightclub shooting in colorado springs. five people were shot dead, at least 19 others injured. as their family and friends grief tonight, authorities praise to patrons who tipped down the shooter, no doubt saving countless lives, one of the heroes served in the army for nearly 15 years and tonight, he's haunted by the people he could not save. >> i was done doing this stuff, it was too much. and, you know it came in handy. i got protect my kid. i lost my kids boyfriend. i tried. i tried to help everybody in there.
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i still feel bad -- [crying] five people didn't come home. and there's this guy, i told him i'm gonna kill you man, you try to kill my friends. my family was in there. >> they were out on a saturday night, like millions of us. having a good time with friends, dancing at a nightclub like millions of us had done. if only there if you will hate for people out there, and more -- will have more from that hero later. but now, i want to bring in john -- of colorado.
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senator, thank you for being here. i'm so sorry for what you're states going through. i just want to put up some stacks right now. because, the really striking, anti i'll g bt q hate crimes are up 41%. across the country since 2019. and we've heard from people in the lgbtq community in colorado springs, they said they sensed hatred growing against them. so, why is this happening in colorado? >> wow, i think it's happening all across the country. the lgbtq community, is paying with their lives. with hate, and the violent rhetoric that's getting spread all over social media. and really, sometimes in the mainstream media. certainly, all throughout our institutions. >> as you say, it isn't just
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colorado, state legislatures across the country have introduced 344 anti lgbtq bills. this year. why are politicians, and primarily republicans of course so freaked out about these issues? >> it's a good question, i don't know if it's the center of moralities that extreme or whether they somehow think it's a political opportunity, i can't speak for. them i can say the problem is way beyond the public republican or democrat, one political advantage that we could have our countries being held victim, it's as if we're
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being terrorized by ourselves and our worst enemies russia, china they can do more high thomas than having our own kids afraid to go to school people afraid to go and get together in a nightclub. it's just taking us down slowly but steadily and we need to come together as a country and say, all right, as a community as a country we need to do something about this together. senator, when a congressman like lauren boebert of your state, tweets out, hateful misinformation as she's done about this community. and she relies on that, meme, if that's the right word. of kids being groomed, et cetera. what effect does that have? >> well, again, it's hard to explain why she does this. i don't know whether it's --
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to get attention, are getting her measure of celebrity. but it's certainly is helpful -- hurtful. there's no argument that fans the flames of hatred and people that are, in many cases there desperate about other things in their lives. think of mental health issues. and they twist off into violence. many times it's not the first time they've twisted off into violence. but sometimes that fuse gets lit. by hate speech. and bigotry. >> let's talk about that. the suspect, in this crime, he had a running with. felicia was arrested in 2019 after making a bomb threat. and a threat of violence against as mother. i think we actually have a little clip of what he was saying when the police arrived. >> this is your boy. i've got the [bleep], they've got a beat on me. see that right there. [bleep] [bleep] if they breach all [bell ringing] [bleep] to holy how. go ahead and come on in, boys. let's [bleep] see. it >> senator, explain why colorado's rag finalize didn't stop somebody like that from having guns?
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>> well, i don't have any real facts other than i was told this morning that the share of down in colorado springs, he said that when the red flag laws were passed, he wouldn't it, they had -- level of enforcement. of any community in this day. but that just calls into question, how do we get these laws to work. it's one thing to get a pass, but the communities need to believe in them. they -- need to it shouldn't be a political dividing line. we're way past the point where we can tolerate this kind of political malfeasance. -- that is something that cost the lives of people, they just died enjoying a saturday night. >> one of the problems, we saw this in the highland park shooting case as well. in illinois, if it relies on the family press charges, if it relies on the family to say that this person needs to go to prison, it doesn't work. so, senator, what's the solution for protecting this community in your state? >> and, while we need to set a new and higher level for red flag laws. where you need to have some institutional framework. by which the community can, when someone clearly demonstrated that they are liable to go off the rails. that video is chilling. because, here's someone who's threatening to do what he down eventually did in a different form. what eventually did was go out and kill innocent people. because he somehow got [bleep],
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we need to make sure people like that don't have access to guns. and if they do, we take them away. >> there would be so good to be able to do that before a mass shooting. but we have this conversation all too often. senator, thank you so much for your time. it was great to talk to you. >> thanks for having me. on >> i want to bring in sarah kate alice, president ceo of glad. and -- tom bernie, former and my petey detective. guys, thanks for being here. sarah, let me start with you. why is this community seeing more hateful vitriol and violent santa did even two years ago? >> yeah, i think the politicians have found a way to bolster their careers. and add votes to their election. and they're using ice as that political -- we have a long history of the lgbtq community being victimized, demonized by
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specially right-wing media and republicans. and i think that they found some sort of in here. and it's just in the past year, honestly, even more so it feels that they feel put -- now they're focusing on the transgender community, and lgbtq community. and they're trying to use to bolster their career, the reputation. >> so, frank, you heard me talking to the senator. their 344 anti lgbtq bills in state houses across the country. why is that issue suddenly so politically active? >> i don't. no i do know that there is a poison and toxicity that exists in our dialogue right now. i know that much of it comes from social media. i don't seek to politicize anything, for any reason, because people are dying. and it's so much more important than trying to find partisan -- i do see that there is a sickness in our society. that is harder and harder to take the more -- my job is to listen to these people. my job is to hear what they have to say. and it's not a republican or
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democrat as you. it's a social media as. you it's a cultural issue. and there's so much hate and divisiveness, so much more than we started this profession and i'm scared to death, i'm scared. >> what are you scared? of >> that it's gonna get worse. i think this is only the beginning. when we look at these and say, never again. while, i'm afraid that it's gonna be again and again. until we can get a hold of how we talk to each other, how we treat each other, the fact is, the more faith we have, the more civility we have, the more understanding and empathy we have, the less likely that this is to happen. i don't see as moving in that direction at all. >> tom, thank you detective had on for us. you worked on these issues for so long. can you just explain, the motive and mindset, of a deranged person who goes into a nightclub or people are dancing, and having a great time and think step by shooting, killing, five people what people are gonna be getting more, what's the thought process there? >> as you just mentioned, here
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is breaking news, we live in a racist, sexist, homophobic, islamophobia, antisemitic andre. this is stuff that learned behavior. passed down through generations. and unless we address that route issue, that in and of itself -- everything stems from that. when you add that to the mix, the free-flowing of guns in our country, which are -- of everyone every neighborhood of every state. you have people are a few satinder just short of a picnic. who get their hands on a weapon, they go out and massacre people just trying to enjoy themselves. i can't really explain what's behind the methodology of a psychopath. when i can tell you, we see a reoccurring thing. and as i mentioned on cnn newsroom yesterday, once we get into the background of this individual, which they now have. combing through his social media, talking to the people
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that he knows, we see a reoccurring theme of people who are extremely angry, and have all kinds of vitriol that they need to just let out. and, as many people in government are guilty of, they're fueling this fire of people, and if they're on the edge to go out and stop and do something, maybe that's all it takes, is someone of authority to give them that greenlight to do. it and it's sickening, it's sickening what's happening in this country. >> it is second. adding some parents, and politicians seem to be adding -- very freaked out about drag story time. in fact, we have some video of people with guns, ask some of these events in nevada, i think this one might be, yeah, nevada. do you understand, why this freaks people out so much, and do you want to address the people that fear, we have so much great fear about this, but they protest that their kids are somehow being groomed? >> yeah, so, we're about to
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release a study. or a news and rapid response team's been watching and looking at this, and pulling back to see what's going on here. there have been about 125 attacks, or threats to drag events in this country this year. mostly, from june to now. they're throwing firebombs, there was a firebomb a couple weeks ago at a drag of and, at a donut shop. but these are actually coordinated and they're very thoughtful. this is not just i think a bipartisan issue i think this is a very coordinated the same people who are going after marriage equality when we were trying to move marriage forward have now put their money and their energy against this. if you -- absolutely -- last year we saw 150 anti lgbtq bills this year we see 344. if you look at how they're written they're written in the exact same language. state by state by state. they're being fueled across this country by money, a group of people that are anti lgbtq. drag culture has been around as long as people have been around, drag performers have been putting on shows, reading books, and they're the finest people in the.
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conversations, we are demonizing each other rather than listening to each. other >> thank you all, we really appreciate it so it is under these. we'll have much more for me for that hero. and then in politics, high republicans speaking out against donald trump trying to make a comeback, who are these never again trumpers? i strip with the guys. i strip all by myself. breathe right strips open your nose for relief you can feel right away, helping you take in air more easily, day or night.
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the battle to lead the republican party is heating up ever since former president trump announced his third run for president. former republican house speaker, paul ryan, pointing a new category of anti trump or in an interview with abc. >> i governed with him, and i'm very proud of those days. i am proud of the accomplishments and the deregulation of criminal justice reform. i am really excited about the justice that we got on the bench, not just the supreme court but throughout the
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judiciary, but i am never again trumper. why? because i want to win, and we lose with trump. it was really clear to us in 18, and now in 2022. >> joining me now to discuss is pollster and communications analyst franklin's back with us, and he has been talking to republican voters. frank, we have a clip of this. but first give me an overview of, these are all people who voted for trump and now, after the midterms, they feel differently? >> most of them do feel differently, and most of them voted for trump twice, not once. so these were part of his core
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base and they did not even know what the conversation was going to be about because i did not tell them. so we got into this, and i was shocked at what they had to say. >> okay, let's watch a clip of this. >> okay, so if the race was between, and you had to choose now, who would you choose trump or rhonda santas? raise your hands physically if you are choose trump in that contest. >> one, two, three. raise your hand if you choose ron desantis. all the rest of you. >> so what do they tell you about that? >> hopefully we will play the clip of it. they tell me that they are tired. they are worn out, they still believe in what donald trump said, and they believe in what he tried to do, but they are tired of the chaos. i -- i do not think trump understands those words. they are worn out, and they want someone who they believe will believe their ideas, ideologies, vision, to success
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and they simply do not think that is down trump anymore. >> they also told you that they thought it was too much about donald trump, so here is that moment. let's watch that. >> it's too much about donald trump. used to be the stand in for the establishment and other people against us, and now it is all about him. >> i do not think they voted for biden, they voted against trump. i think desantis gets a gives a better reasoning to vote for him and not against him. >> so interesting frank, because i do not think donald trump has changed. >> i'm not sure how he would react watching this right now. i think he would find some reason to dismiss it, and i know we are going to be talking about jay leno, and i want to foreshadow it because leno got involved in an argument that i had with donald trump. >> how? >> because, trump try to get me fired from my news outlets. i work for fox news at the time,
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and cbs, and trump went out of his way because he hates these focus groups. he hates listening to real people. they had a lot of negative things to say about him, and he blew up. leno, as i will say later on, came to my aid. but we've got polling data now that was done by the premise poll of completed on saturday evening, so this is 48 hours. it has joe biden now defeating donald trump by six points. but ron desantis has a four point lead over biden. you have a ten point swing between trump and desantis, and that is a lot at this point. >> that is fascinating frank, but it is a lot at this point. ron desantis is not in the race. obviously when somebody enters the race the bloom is off the roads a little bit, and people get to know them and they are not a shiny new object. do you think that would happen? do you think that normally is
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how it goes? >> that is a fair point, but they look at what the he achieved in florida. a landslide for new republican congressman, and taking these tough positions that trump took in washington. desantis actually got it done in florida and while there was still some controversy about him, voters are looking at him with a fresh light and he can actually get some democrats that donald trump could never touch. >> you know it is interesting, frank, is that is the midterms that -- it sounds as though that was the tipping point. so not an insurrection on the capital, mishandling of covid, all of the things and criticisms that people could level against donald trump people still stuck with him. and then his candidates do not win in the midterms and that is the tipping point? >> what we actually have in the promised poll is that desantis
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is now polled even with trump. one asks why, and the answer from the voters is that they are tired and worn out, of the chaos, the disputes, the arguments of the hearings and the task forces and everything and i want to go back of a sense of normalcy. >> so this is not cnn polling obviously that we have, and we have not confirmed all of that, but you have your own polling and data that shows it is really, really interesting to see how people feel today and if it sticks. because we have seen a turnaround. >> what i hope is that we do not terry chao they're apart. it goes back to the first segment, there are tons of such damage, there are lives at stake, there are some things that are more important in an election. it's called the next generation. what example are we setting for our children and the people who come after us? i think it is pretty sorry, and i am hoping that the next election we will get our act together and not tear each other apart. >> okay frank, thank you for all of those. i look forward to talking to jay leno later, we'll see one little why. meanwhile, police in idaho still searching for the killer for university students in the brutal way in which they were killed put this crime into a different category. we are going to discuss that, next.
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community of moscow idaho, police are now not so sure. joining us now is journalist mara as combo and former detective tom bernie. also joining us is mary ellen o'toole, and retired fbi profiler. mary ellen, i want to start with you. and not to get to grizzly, but someone who would stab for college students, possibly sleeping. the amount of gore and effort that it takes to stab for people, what does that tell you about who this suspect is? >> well, a couple things really stand out to me and one of them is that this is someone who has experience with that knife. that was a weapon of choice, and i'm not suggesting that he
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is committed a similar murder to this, but he does have experience with that knife. it is also someone who is comfortable getting blood all over him, unless he stabbed them through their comforters. but still, he would've had blood on him and there is no information that had come out so far that there is an effort to clean up the crime scene. and lastly, i would say that, and there is a possibility that this offender did not know these victims. that he brought emotions to the crime scene and he acted out on them at that point, and i think what is important to understand is that, based on what he has described as doing at the scene, he did not come there to talk. he came there in the middle of
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the night, in the early morning hours, people were in the home and he started to stab. that says that he was not trying to write a wrong or correct something that had happened earlier that evening, he came there with the intent to do what he did. >> i've been wondering about that too. the police are not saying serial killer, but, look, i was a crime reporter for five years. what we learned when i was crammer porter is that stabbing is also a crime of passion because you are so intimate. you are touching the person, you have to be right next to the person. a gun, you can be at a distance in kill someone. not with stabbing, you are looking at them, sometimes you are talking to them. that is why, aaron of tell you tom, you often are looking at the significant other of the person because it is a crime of passion.
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do you think it is possible that it is a serial killer? >> i think mary ellen is on point. when you talk about somebody being shot, being shot is unpleasant but when someone is stabbed, especially stabbed multiple times, that is someone who the stab or is either high on drugs, psychologically out there and having a moment, and in many cases this becomes a domestic incident of some kind where the berry friend or a girlfriend or significant other stabs the other person in a fit of rage, jealous rage, whatever it may be. what is interesting about this case is that it is so unclear as to where we are going, what direction we are going in. clearly, the person who committed this heinous act is someone who is seriously troubled, so yeah the community should be on notice and we have a better lead as to who we are looking for. >> mara, it is so mysterious. first of all, there are two other remains home. we do not know what they heard, if they were awake, and then the idea that they invited people over, they had people
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come over before they called the police strikes me as a peculiar. but maybe they were so completely petrified and freaked out that they needed support, hard to know. but the community of course is terrified, this is two unsolved. >> it is hard to overstate how unusual this cases. you have for college students who were stabbed to death, in, their sleep, in a small town of 25,000 people that has not seen a single murder in seven years. there is no suspect, there is no murder weapon, no sign of forced entry, apparently a lot of people knew the code to the key pad. the killer is on the loose and police say that the community may be in danger. to your point, all of these another answered questions -- how can the two surviving roommates slept through for the remit being murdered in the
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same house? how could the killer disappear without a trace when a crime that is very messy? stabbing is massie, at least a lot of evidence behind. as we heard, the killer would've been covered in blood. this is not your typical whodunnit. i cover a lot of crime that i've not seen anybody like this. >> mary ellen, does his plea leave believe that a serial killers on the loose? >> i think it would be too premature to offer an opinion on that, but it does take me back to the case of ted bundy who is a serial killer in the northwest. once he escaped from jail in utah, he traveled down to the kyle made a house in florida and he committed multiple murders inside that house, and they were a mess. we have seen this happen before, this is not the first time that you have an individual who goes from one type of murdering to another type of murdering.
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at this point, i think it is too soon to offered opinion on that. >> i hear you. tom, nowadays there are so many cameras around. there are so many doorbell cameras, people have cameras. you see a little bit of the surveillance video of two of the remit who were out at a food truck beforehand, but are you surprised that the police are not releasing more video or have not said more yet? >> not necessarily. you have to think about how much footage they actually have to go through, so they were out at an establishment at a food truck, so there are cameras at both those places. i have to imagine their cameras all over the campus. so they are trying to follow the bread crumbs, going back from the last known location that we saw these individuals alive and then go forward to where they were found. that is being done, and also collecting mounds of forensic evidence there in the dorm room. there is going to be tons of dna evidence that they're going to have to go through. so there is a lot of stuff to deconstruct at that scene, it is an awesome task that they have in front of them. between the local state and federal authorities involved, i would hope that that is expediting the situation a
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little bit if they are working altogether, and on the same page, and hopefully that will lead to some sort of a direction to go in but the more evidence they can. collect >> obviously we will stay on this mystery. tom, mara, mary allen, thank you very much we really appreciate your time. now to this, they were embryos frozen 30 years ago and now they are newborn twins. what some are calling the for the world's oldest babies. their parents are here to share their amazing story and why they made this choice. that is next. every moment in life is a bet. like betting your favorite jersey won't shrink in the dryer. this week all customers who place a same game parlay on nfl games get up to $100 in free bets, win or lose. so bet on fanduel, and make every moment more.
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in april 1992, the world was very different place. bill clinton was running for president, phone still had cords, and two babies were born just weeks ago were frozen as embryos. they were kept protected in liquid nitrogen at about 200 degrees below zero for nearly 30 years. until october 31st, little lydia and timothy ridgway were born from what is considered the longest frozen embryos to ever result in a live birth. this is according to the national embryo donation center. joining us now is the parents of these little twins, rachel and philip ridgway. great to see you guys, and how nice that the twins are sleeping at the same time. >> you know, we have gotten pretty good quarantining that now with bottles and feeds, they are pretty predictable at
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this age. >> well done rachel, i had twins myself. well done, and you guys have already accomplished more than half the battle. so rachel, what made you want to adopt for -- so not here on when genetic material, knowing that they are 30 years old. >> so for us we have for biological children already and the journey of having them and pregnancy, and we had heard about embryo adoption through our process of having children and the idea for me of giving birth to my adopted child seemed like a dream come true. i enjoyed being pregnant, i'm able to do it well, and it seemed like a no-brainer for me in regards to why wouldn't i do that? we also have a passion for life and we believe that each of these children in the freezer are indeed children that need saving, and for us when we went
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to the nedc we looked at the most needy and waiting the longest for a mom and dad. these guys happen to be those embryos that had, as far as we can tell, had been waiting longer than any other embryos that were there. >> so interesting, and so philip, did you have any concerns about the fact that they had been frozen for 30 years? >> no, in fact when we visited the nedc for the first time they told us that there is no such thing as frozen embryo syndrome as far as they know. there was no known shelf life, and these children could stay frozen on ice indefinitely. so there is no concern about the length of time that they are frozen, there is some concern about the freeze and technologies at the time and whether any of the embryos would survive this online process. but once they are thawed, they are just like any other baby at that stage of development. >> modern medicine is incredible. that is just remarkable to
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hear. i think that the longest record before you guys was 27 years, before that it was 24 years, and now it is 30 years. it is just incredible. did you know when you adopted these embryos that they were the oldest in the country. >> when you go into the nedc, so in my mind i knew the record for 27 years. it did not really hit me until after we had found out that two of the three they transferred and planted, and we had our first ultrasound, and everything looked well, and then it crossed my mind oh, so these guys are probably the new record holders. but i didn't really think much of it after that. and then the national embryo donation center reached out to us later in the year to talk about the fact that they would now be the new record holders, coming to burst. >> philip i, hear what you guys are saying that you basically consider rescuing these embryos and that you felt they were being chosen by other potential parents. i guess my question is, there are tens of thousands of frozen embryos, maybe hundreds of thousands of frozen embryos around the country. you cannot give birth to all of them. what is your feeling about that?
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>> that is a good point, there are two problems. one is the upstream problem that there is more more embryos created am frozen every day, and then there is the downstream problem of what are you gonna do with the embryos that are frozen. we cannot do anything about the upstream problem, but we can do something about the downstream problem. adopting these two children may have been just a drop in the bucket, but these are two children that are no longer sitting in liquid nitrogen waiting to be adopted. so whether it was to children or however many, we set out what we set out to accomplish, which is to rescue children. >> did you guys consider adopting, a traditional adoption? good to have already been born? >> no, that was never really a thought process for us, for our journey. i know for some people it definitely is a consideration, but for us and for our family, the idea like i said before giving birth to my adopted child knowing that there are kids still struggle as separation even as infants. so to avoid that trauma for them is appealing to me, and then giving these children value. a lot of embryos, a lot of people look at embryos as somehow less human, and that the reality is that god created every single embryo and it is
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because of them that they are living and they are made in his image and really really wanted to show how timothy and lydia were embryos, they were the same children now as they were then. they were just smaller so we wanted to give these children, in particular a voice and show the world that they deserve life and that they should be given that opportunity to have life, one parent and couple at a time. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
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hands. doctors at the grossman bird center in los angeles say that they are optimistic that he will make a full recovery. the hospital releasing the photo of leno was some of the medical staff. more now with mark, and also joined by charlotte doctor, the national correspondent for times magazine. guys, i'm so happy to hear this. because i was on the air last week when we first got word that this had happened. and it sounded really bad. it sounded as though he was not going to be out of the hospital in a week and so i am surprised that he made this kind of recovery. >> it is great to see these photos, to see him recovering and healing but i also really love that he posted these photos of him as he is in the healing journey. because we live in the age of transparency, everybody shares everything. but it's not necessarily the age of authenticity. people are real about what they're going through. so, if someone like jay leno post this -- not after the healing is done but as he's going through it i think other people going through it will offer a lot of comfort. and if we push in on the foot a
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little bit, i'm not sure if we can, you can see that he's still swollen. you could see the right side of his face or the left side of our camera, it does look like he's burn. it doesn't look entirely just like jay leno there. but here, again i think that it really helps to see him standing and looking virtually normal. charlotte? >> yes, and reports from the hospital say he sizzle selfies. joking around. he's bringing cookies for the staff. i also thought it was nice that he posted a photo with the nurses who treated him. and sort of, again, share the detail of his journey to kind of give credit were due to the people who helped their. >> so, tell us your jalen all-star. >> i was at the car show in pebble beach and trump had actually helped get me suspended from both fox and cbs. it was working. >> is that right, what year was that? >> it's 2015 and i was very upset. and i'm at the car show. he comes over and he's watching this. because he follows politics.
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so he says to me, how are you doing? >> i say, i'm not doing great. >> he says, i want to talk to you. >> now, hold on, he's the king of the car show. he's in charge. this is the pro bonds and it's the best show in america for cars. he comes and sits with me and he says i am not going to leave you until you feel okay. so whatever it's going to take, he made me laugh, he gave me advice, he's taken me to his garage several times. this guy is a prince. and i am so happy that he's back out, i want him back on tv and everyone who is listening should know that not only does he appear like a nice guy in private or on tv but he's a wonderful human being. and he really did bring me back. >> that's really nice. >> i don't know which camera to look at. but jay, get well, get healthy and you are awesome and i owe you. i will donate to any charity, i will go anywhere for you
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because you did it for me. >> you heard it here day. held on into any charity. so, get well and let frank know what chair do you want. >> that's such a nice story. thank you so much for sharing that, thanks guys. thank you for being here. >> all right, america is facing one tragedy after another for mass shooting and political violence. what can i leaders do to break the cycle? we have presidential historian, jon meacham on how to heal the soul of america. john smith. i've been stripping here for years. i strip before take-off. breathe right strips open your nose for relief you can feel right away, helping you take in air more easily, wherever you are.
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