new details about the attack on the lgbtq nightclub in colorado springs, that killed five people and injured 19 others. authorities acknowledged two heroes at the club who took on the shooter, saving countless lives. resident biden released a statement on the tragedy, saying in part, quote, places that are supposed to be safe

spaces of acceptance and celebration should never be turned into places of terror and violence. yet, it happens far too often. we must drive out the inequities that contribute to violence against lgbtq people, we must not tolerate hate. i want to bring in presidential historian john meacham, he is the author of and there was light. and he also occasionally advises president biden. john, great to see you, it seems like every week we report on stories of violence, stories of political violence, we have so much toxicity in our national dialogue, it feels like the worst it has ever been. maybe you'll tell me it isn't, but can you put this in some historical context for us? >> sure. these tragedies unfold because there is evil, this is going to sound rather grand, but what we saw in this incredibly sad story

that had an element of heroism, is the best and the worst of us. and, it is tragic and terrible that we have to have horrible things unfold for us to see this kind of heroism, but that's the nature of reality. the way the life of the nation works, i think, is the way our lives work. we are called to do the right thing. we are called to accept others, we are called to love our neighbors as ourselves, in scripture and every moral tradition, orders or encourages folks to do. it is incredibly difficult. and, the extremity of this kind of mass shooting is the worst manifestation of the darkest impulses in human nature. and so, our answer has to be, overcoming darkness with light.

i was thinking about dr. king, this weekend. his sermon after the terrible bombing of the 16th street church in birmingham, and in 1953, his refrain in that sermon, the funeral for those young women, the subject of that day by the way was the love that forgives, and they were on their way to conduct the whole service when klansmen dynamited the church. he talked about how, we had to find some way to bring good out of evil. and i think that in the story of the heroes of this tragedy are examples of that park >> absolutely. absolutely. is what we are seeing political violence? is that how you would categorize this? >> yes. these are hate crimes. i know there is debate about that, but of course.

this is driven by -- the specifics of the case, we have to wait, so we have some caveats there, but this is a climate of hate, of seeing the other, not simply allowing them to be your neighbor and have them live out their lives, which is what a democracy, in a moral society, is supposed to do, instead, there is this intensity out there, that we cannot see each other as neighbors, we have to see each other as enemies. and, it is up to all of us, to say no, that cannot be the way that we are. if we don't love our neighbors as ourselves, we have to attempt to do so, and to fight against, and stand against, i don't want to use the word fight, we have to stand against the objectification of other

people. it is un-american. from my tradition, if i may, it is unchristian. it is immoral, it is unjust, it is wrong. and, it is not that much more comp located. >> i just read president biden's comment, and his reaction to this. and of course, every president has had to deal with some sort of awful, sickening, heartbreaking violence. here is just a few examples after mass shootings. >> the evil did come to buffalo , as it has come to all too many places. manifesting in gunman who massacred innocent people, in the name of hateful, perverse ideology, rooted in fear, and racism. >> the shooter in el paso posted a manifesto online, consumed by racist hate. in one

voice, our nation must condemn racist bigotry and white supremacy. the vile, hate filled poison of anti-semitism must be condemned and confronted everywhere, and anywhere it appears. >> americans were targeted because we are a country that has learned to welcome everyone, no matter who you are, and who you love. hatred towards people because of sexual orientation, regardless of where it comes from, it is a betrayal of what is best in us. michelle and i know several members at emmanuel ame church. there is something particularly heartbreaking about a death happening in a place in which

we seek solace and we seek peace. in a place of worship. >> obviously, john, that montage could have gone on longer. in history, are there presidents who have been able to successfully bring down the temperature, and done it well? >> sure. it ebbs and flows, because this is, as we have talked about, the human heart, and the provision of appetites and ambitions. the way that presidents speak about these things does matter, because it does set a tone. people can be skeptical of that. i understand that, and even president obama at one point said, we are past thoughts and prayers. let me put in one quick thing here, i am a gun owner. the safest place to be is

somewhere near me, with a gun. but these assault weapons, these weapons of war that have come to our streets, and our nightclubs, and our schools must be restricted to the military. it is not particularly a debate, it seems to me. for those who, in my native region in particular, in the south is a oh, this is an encouragement on the second amendment, my testament is this. what if one life is saved because these assault weapons are made more difficult to obtain? just one. and what if it's your spouse, or your friend, or your child. we cannot let the perfect be the enemy of the good, for that. a presidents manners, a presidents tone can affect the temperature, and you mentioned before, president biden, i am

honored that he is a friend, help him when i can pick i think he is well-equipped to do this. i think president clinton did it come after, city. oklahoma city is a pretty good example, here, because president clinton, who had just had a terrible election, partly because he had banned assault weapons, in 1994, in a bill that joe biden was critical would do it, there is a terrible attack on the federal building in oklahoma city. in 1995, the president takes this moment and talks incredibly well. that same season, president george herbert walker bush resigns from the nra because the nra had put out a fundraising letter referring to federal agents as jackbooted thugs. so the senior bush resigned from there, in a very important letter. so yes, it can make a difference. what would make the biggest

difference, is if we all remember that what runs america, what should run america is the declaration of independence, the declaration of independence begins with that majestic idea that we are all created equal, we are all endowed by our creator, no matter our color, our sexual orientation, no matter what. that is our mission statement but that is what we said we wanted to be. no one forced that on us. that is what folks who look like me decided to say that is what they believe, in the late 18th century. that idea has to be made real, it has to be beginning and ending with a mutual respect for each other. >> john egan, thank you for reminding us, of all of that. really great to talk to you, as always. i want to bring in cnn's john berman and republican

strategist joe piñon, also charlotte altar is back. guys, great to have you here. so, that was inspiring. everything that john meacham just said, but, we also need to talk about the hideous crime that has happened, and that crimes against lgbtq communities are up 41% since 2019. something is going on, and politicians are seizing on it. >> it's disgusting. it's disgusting. that was a wonderful conversation you just had with john meacham, parts of it are uplifting, but parts of it also, you can read is quite bleak. john talks about how there are moments of light in these situations. there were heroes there, but the other way of looking at that, is, it wasn't enough. and i know you will play some sound from one of these heroes that i had a chance to speak to, earlier, who, in our conversation was just broken up that he could not save more people, that there were five families, without loved ones tonight, and no amount of

heroism stop that? and, there is something going on, it is not just guns, it is not just racism, it is something insidious in our culture, and just what happens at a gay bar or gay club, i'm paraphrasing from a friend but if you can't be safe at an gay club, where can you be safe? >> should we play that now, guys? okay, hold that thought, that is an incredible interview that you did but he was incredible, john. incredible. these beacons of light among us that we can draw strength from. but joe, in the meantime, politicians are seizing on this. and, there's something like 300 44 bills in statehouses across the country this year. they are considered anti-lgbtq. what is it that is so

threatening, these are coming from republicans, what is it that is so threatening to republicans? >> i think i would seize on what john said in the aftermath of oklahoma city, in those famous words of bill tipton, you have lost too much, but you have not lost everything, and you have not lost america. it feels as though increasingly, we have lost america. i'm reminded of carlock, illinois, where we used to quite literally bury people in different cemeteries, not by race, but by political affiliation. the worst crime in america is to be a republican forced to spend eternity next to a democrat. i bring that up because of the fact that when we look at what has happened here, we have the divisions in our politics, which in many ways are fueling what has led us to where we are. >> for sure. but, do you expect it is republicans that are fueling the nasty talk about transgender folks and lgbtq? >> i think we have to stop

painting with a broad brush. i think the reality is that there is an insidious, horrific strain of anti-lgbtq issues, permeating society, and yes, perhaps they are getting more oxygen on the right side of the aisle but i also think there is something we have to talk about. rigorous honesty as it pertains to getting to the bottom of this issue is that most of the people that i know are not anti- lgbtq. but, they do have issues with some of what is being promoted in the name of that movement and we have to draw a sharp line, and say that no person should ever be harmed because of who they love, or how they live, no person should ever feel as if there is not a safe space, to your point, but if you cannot be gay in a gay bar, where can you be ? gay? the problem here is that all of these things, but if i disagree with you on one issue i am hostile to everything you stand for. i think this is a problem in

politics that has made to have these honest conversations. >> hold that thought. we have to take a quick break and we will come back and address all of this. stay with us, everybody. we also want to discuss john's and credible interview with richard fierro, one of the gunmen who took down -- one of the heroes who took down the gunmen in colorado springs. we have a lot more. ♪ biofreeze, the number one clinician recommended menthol topical pain relief brand. works fast. lasts long. cool the pain with biofreeze.

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i tried. i tried for everybody in there. i still feel bad -- five people who didn't go home. in the sky, i told him while i was beating him, i said i'll kill you, because you tried to kill my friends but my family was there. >> oh my gosh, it's so awful, charlotte. and he's the hero. he survived, and this is how, 30 will be forever. >> misses a man who served his country for 15 years, and now he has to come back here, and use skills that he learned in the line of duty to protect his family on a night out, trying to have fun with their friends. i mean, the thing that i keep thinking about this is that as john meacham said earlier, there has always been a struggle between good and evil in this country. one of the things that is new, is a social media ecosystem, that amplifies the evil at the expense of the good. i think

that is one of the reasons that we are continuing to struggle with this, over and over and over again, in ways that feel so new, because, this hate gets mainstreamed, in a way, where it can spread from one person to another, even if they've never met each other, even if they don't live in the same community. even if they never share any physical space. it makes these vile views so much more infectious. >> it's an incredible interview that you did with him, john. just listening to him, and him processing, out loud. let's listen to a little bit longer. >> this whole thing was a lot. my daughter and wife should never have experienced combat in colorado springs. everybody in that building experienced combat that night. not of their own accord, but because they were forced to. i told the mayor, i'm not a hero, and the guy who wanted to protect his kids and his wife. and i still didn't get to

protect her boyfriend. >> it's so awful, john, but that's exactly what i was saying. >> no one in that bar should have ever had to go through anything like that. to hear richard fierro, a retired army major work through this. is trying to process it. he doesn't want to be called a hero. he said, the tragedy is that there were those who died still, that he couldn't save anyone because there was evil in there, because we still need to learn more, i know, but, it seems possible at least, there is some deranged person who thought that the drag show was a threat to him. somehow. >> that's right. and by the way, there are politicians, one of whom is in colorado, congresswoman lauren barber lauren boebert had

tweeted out these things, she had these inflammatory treats, and now she is saying that this event is awful, but do you connect those things? >> i think that the problem that we have is that we live in a world where we are more connected than ever before, and so incredibly isolated, by virtue of advancing technology. so, how do you rectify those two things? how do you rectify somebody saying that i'm uncomfortable with shows being exposed to children, the same time saying these are consenting adults who just want to enjoy a beer and have now been directly harmed for the rest of their lives. >> what is the answer to that? >> we don't really have all the answers but we have to start by having rigorous honesty with ourselves, to understand, completely, that no person should be forced to carry this burden where they feel like they can't be safe even within

their own skin. >> charlotte, one of the problems is that on social media, people think it is their community. in other words, something could be happening in nevada they are not comfortable with and suddenly, it sends them into overdrive of panic. we have seen this time and again, where they think they have to do something about it. >> this is the thing. i appreciate you highlighting how much this has been, particularly in the last year, driven by republican politicians who have leaned into scare tactics about lgbtq teachers, or other figures who they think might be grooming children. an allegation which has no basis in fact. and so, i do think it is hard to argue that there is no political element to this, when you have an entire party, that has really capitalized on some of the parental angst around this, to try to score political points. of course, there are going to be

some, as you said, john, deranged people who take those ideas and twist them into some kind of hateful ideology. >> it is also important how we have the conversation, right? i think that pretending that people's anxieties and personal bias does not exist is probably a bad way to start the conversation. i think we have to start them confronting head-on. there are legitimate reasons to be concerned but on a case-by- case basis, whether it is on a school district by school district basis, whether those fears should be rightfully acknowledged, sir, i think what ends up happening is that something so unimaginable, and so tragic happens, where the rage overwhelms our ability and capacity to be able to have that. >> sometimes it is both. sometimes, they don't need to have the fear, but you know, sometimes we just continue to have these conversations. guys, thank you so much. i appreciate all of you being

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cricket media, guys, thanks for being here. grand, what happened? you were detained, you were wearing a rainbow shirt. what happened? >> yeah -- security didn't let me through, they said that i had to take it off my shirt, i told them i wouldn't. they detained me for about 30 minutes. they forcibly took my phone, would not give it back, really angrily tried to get me to take my shirt off. i wouldn't, so finally, eventually, a commander of security came down after about 30 minutes, and they let me through, wearing my shirt. they apologized. fifa apologized. fifa had made it clear that there should be no problem with anyone wearing rainbow gear of any kind at this world cup, but it is a clear that the qatari regime has other ideas. >> grand, what were those 30

minutes like? was that frightening? was it annoying? what was being detained like? >> it was annoying at first. and then, it got a little intense. you know, they made me stand up, turn around, and face a cc tv security camera with someone looking at me, on the other end, i was under a judgment of some sort. this is another example of, fifa does not control this world cup. it is the qatari's. i think they like to show that. it is illegal to be in this country . this is a concern about how would qatari security officials enforce this on the ground. i did not originally intend to make this public at all. i was doing something i was told would be easy to do and would not be a problem. >> tommy, was it a mistake to have the world cup in qatar? >> absolutely. even seth blatter, the wildly corrupt former head of fifa has

said it was a mistake. and, that is because, women are treated like second-class citizens in qatar. lgbt people can be imprisoned for same-sex relationships, and migrant workers in qatar have been compared to modern-day slave labor. the guardian newspaper reported that something like 6500 migrant workers have died while qatar was building up the world cup since 2010. it was a bad choice from the beginning. >> was there any advantage to being there so that all this bubble to the surface? i think that we have some video of the iranian team, and they made this silent protest today, i think we can play some of this. it is not as though all of this has been swept under the rug. this has come to the fore. >> yeah, what those iranian players did today was extraordinarily courageous. i mean, they did not sing the

national anthem, in protest of the treatment of women across iran, the woman, mahsa amini was murdered by the so-called morality police several months ago and there have been produced ever since. if the world cup had been in france, for example, or england or the united states, those iranian players could have lodged the same protest without thousands of workers being harmed to construct the stadiums for that is the problem. qatar has no sovereign history, no infrastructure, they had to build eight stadiums and they did it on the backs of these migrant laborers, who pay money to get jobs in qatar, go deep into debt, and then get these brutally abusive jobs for their outsider construction in 120 degrees summer are, there is no reason to have this tournament in qatar. it is entirely based on corruption. >> grant, it is hard to enjoy it against that backdrop, but i know that is part of the challenge. certainly, for viewers. tell us about the u.s. team, what we need to know.

>> the u.s. team is very young, they are the first u.s. team to get back to the world cup in eight years after missing out four years ago. some of these u.s. players are playing at the top european clubs, one has even won the champions league. but, they are trying to earn back respect for american soccer. and, they played a tremendous first half last night. weah scored a really nice goal. second half, things changed, and whales was able to get a penalty and equalize late in the games. left feeling almost like it was a loss instead of a tie if you are a u.s. fan because he felt like a win was attainable there. i think people should think the sky is falling, there. this u.s. team does have a decent chance to advance, still, they just need to play well the rest of the way, the got england in the next game, iran after that, and we'll see what happens here. >> grant and tommy, thank you for your perspective, great to

talk to both of you. we are back with the panel, now. john, >> i'm just laughing because grant said several sentences there, and you were nodding as if you understand. >> john connor you are adding me right now because you know so well that i know nothing about sports. but, i do have to do sports, here's the honest truth, everything i know about soccer, i learned from ted lasser. >> that's all you need to know. >> thank you. and ted lasser, in fact, waiting on the game. there were posters from ted lasser, set up and ted lasser said matt, well call me mary, because i certainly am proud of you, turner. that is so ted lasser, isn't it? >> matt turner was the starting keeper who played a great game. >> i knew that. >> you know, brent wallace, the best soccer journalist that america has produced, everyone should follow him. he is terrific. i don't know if you noticed but

i think my full-time job right now is to watch the world cup's. cnn hasn't said that but i assume that is what they want me doing. so, i am watching every game right now so no one has to. >> selfless. >> it was great. the u.s. played well for almost all the game. >> i am astounded that you can end with a tie. you taught me that. >> yes. in the group stage you can end with a tie. once you advance, which hopefully the new york will do, then you going to penalty shootouts. >> i will be learning all of this, so keep watching. >> meanwhile, protesters in around standing up for women and human rights, as many are facing brutal retaliation for defying the regime, and some are facing sexual violence. we have a cnn exclusive investigation to show you, next. highly recommend it! zifans love zicam's unique zinc formula. it shortens colds! zicam. zinc that cold!

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tonight, an exclusive investigation on the iranian regime's brutal crackdown on the protest that ever broken out since the death of a young women in police custody for allegedly failing to cover her hair properly. in testimony verified by cnn, rave women and men are coming forward with testimony of sexual assault and rape at the hands of security officials. we want to warn you, the material we are about to report

on is disturbing. >> reporter: over these mountains is around, a regime that has succeeded in cutting many of its people off from the outside world. about, disturbing stories detailing the authorities brutal retribution. systematic sexual violence against anti-regime protesters have begun leaking out. we have come here, to the kurdish region of iraq, to find out more. this is hannah. not her real name. a kurdish iranian woman, recently smuggled out of iran. she fears for her life. after taking off and burning her headscarf on the street, she was arrested and detained by iranian intelligence officers. >> they choose the women who are pretty and suited their appetite. then, the officer would take one of them through his cell to a smaller, private room. they would sexually assault them there. >> reporter: hannah is not only an eyewitness, she also was

violated. >> i feel shy, talking about this. >> reporter: >> you can still see what the policeman did. look here on my neck, it's purpleish. that is why i am covering it. he forced himself on me. >> reporter: a fight broke out with another protester, drawing away hannah's attacker. hannah and alice could hear screams and they believe a woman was raped in an interrogation room. hannah sketched out the lease station as she remembers it. she gets 70 or 80 women and men were in the main hall that accessed for private interrogation rooms. it was in these interrogation rooms, she says, that she was assaulted, and others were raped. cnn was able to locate the police station through hannah discussion, eyewitness corroboration, and geolocation using key landmarks. it's in the islam about neighborhood. based on this testimony and speaking to a number of sources, a pattern of

repression comes into focus. police sensors used as filtration points, moving protesters from one location to another, often families left not knowing where their loved ones are health. one iraq based kurdish militant opposition party identified over 240 people who they believe are missing, within this maze of detention centers. human rights organizations believe the number is higher, in the thousands. some of the victims as young as 40. many are men, supporting female protesters. their punishment, as severe as the women. >> translator: brought for men over, who had been beaten, screaming intensely. one of the men who was tortured was sent to a waiting room, where i was. i asked him what the screaming was about, he said, they are raping the men. >> reporter: based on this, voiced here by a translator, a

boy sent cnn a note. >> translator: when the security guard heard me discussing the rape of the other inmates, he started torturing me all over again. they tortured me, raped me from behind. >> reporter: even as authorities visit sexual violence on protesters. regime figures accuse female protesters of prosecution, of, quote, wanting to be naked. of the incidents of sexual violence against protesters, inside iranian detention facilities, most occurred in the kurdish majority areas, to the west of iran, home to a historically oppressed minority. disturbingly, in some cases, the rapes were filmed and used to blackmail protesters into silence. >> reporter: there has been a real escalation, where female protesters, as you can see here, are being openly assaulted, often sexually.

but, the violence against women like the protest are not confined to the kurdish areas. they are often focused on locations where protests are most intense, like here, in the capital, tehran. >> reporter: one of these story is armida abbasi's. typical 24- year-old on social media, sharing her life. in social media post appearing under her name, abbasi, like many young women in iran criticized the regime openly after the protest began. unlike most, she did it without anonymity. it did not take long for security forces to find and arrest her. abbasi disappeared. soon after, whistleblowers began to post on various social media platforms. medics, sharing eyewitness accounts of what had been done to abbasi. first of all, they

say, there were a few plainclothes men with her and they did not let her out of their sight. even doing a private medical examination with them there. she was my patient, i have gone to her bedside, the head shaved her hair, she was scared and trembling. and she first came in, they said, it was rectal bleeding due to repeated rape. the plainclothes men insisted the doctor right the rape was prior to her arrest and after this issue was becoming obvious to all, they changed the scenario altogether. the details of these leaks were conveyed to cnn by an insider at the hospital where abbasi was sent to be examined. in a statement, the government said she was treated for digestive problems. the medics who treated her said that was not true. the iranian regime denies the claim, accusing her of leading protest, an allegation which could see her face the death penalty. at this usually busy border

crossing between iraq and iran, it is deceptively quiet. those who can, say the noose is tightening on protesters. the regime has used sexual torture against iranians, and it seems, a familiar pattern. sexual violence employed under an assertion of moral guardianship. cnn, iraqi kurdistan. >> our thanks for her exposing the awfulness of what is happening on the ground. we will be right back. and any type of cough, day or night. mucinex dm. it's comeback season. not flossing well? then add the whoa! of listerine to your routine. new science shows it gets in between teeth to destroy 5x more plaque above the gumline than floss. for a cleaner, healthier mouth. listerine. feel the whoa!

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said, about reporters who helped expose disgraced mogul harvey once it, but you probably have not seen the movie itself because very few people did this weekend but it only took him $2.3 million, which is much less than it was supposed to, and much less from other movies. so, it is about the sexual assault and harassment that harvey weinstein subjected people too. why is this movie not doing well? >> you would think it would do well because it is also about empowerment. these two female reporters who bring him down and he gets his just do, but, i think that part of it is that we are still too close to it. not traumatized, but it is still playing out. harvey weinstein is still in courtrooms facing trials. >> it's happening in real-time. >> i think we need some distance to really appreciate

it. the other thing is, i think we are at a time right now were we want escapism. when you look at the top movies of the year, it is like, tom cruise and dinosaurs and minions, that is what people want. >> charlotte, do you think it says something about the me to movement, that people are done with it? >> i don't think that people are done with it, but i do think that the vibe has shifted. we are in a very different place in 2022, then we were in 2017, when this seemed very new. >> ever present. >> yeah. i don't think the movement is over, i just think that it has -- it looks very different now than it did in 2017. so, i almost think that, a movie like this might have done better if it came out in 10 or 15 years, when it was not so fresh to people. but, i saw it, and i liked it. >> it's getting critical acclaim. that is one of the mysterious things. people think it is an excellent movie but they are not going to see it. >> i think people wanted to dress up for black panther, it is about culture and transcends their everyday life.

i think if you look at what happened to harvey weinstein, he was not as popular as many people thought he was, within the industry, and i think also, beyond that, i think, wrong weekend with the top of the ticket, so to speak, they didn't have a chance. >> it has nothing to do with the movement, you think people just wanted to escape. guys, great talking to all of you tonight, great having you here with me. and, thanks to all of you for watching. i will see you tomorrow night, our coverage continues, now. it's an 8 in 1 immune support formula. airborne. do more.

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