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news about the suspected gunman who killed five people at an lgbtq nightclub in colorado springs expected to face murder and hate crime charges. we are learning more about the victims, and we're hearing extraordinary stories of survival. also this morning, pediatric icus are operating over capacity as sick children and their parents are awaiting care over the holidays, rsv, covid and the flu has pushed hospitals over the brink. we'll tell you what you need to know. we will also talk to you about the latest possible huge nationwide rail strike that could cripple the economy just before the holidays. we'll speak to one of the leaders of those involved. and the department of justice makes its first significant move since naming a special counsel in its mar-a-lago probe but first, this is what we're going to begin with the suspected gunman who killed five people at an lgbtq nightclub in colorado springs remains hospitalized this
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morning and not talking to investigators. we're learning a whole lot more about the victims and hearing from the people who survived the shooting about the terror they witnessed. >> this guy, the look on his face was full of hate. it was complete hatred. >> it seemed like he was firing from his waist. but i -- it happened so fast. i didn't really grasp it. what was going on until i got shot in the leg. >> i took off running to the back. and i got shot. i knew i got shot a few times. i fell down, he proceeded to shoot me. i got back up. i made it out of the back of the club. i got my phone and i called my dad because i -- me and my dad are like best friends, it's really great. it's a weird relationship.
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and he's always there through thick or thin. that was the last person that i wanted to talk to. >> i had never prayed so sincerely and quickly in my life as i did in that moment. after about a minute and a half, i decided i needed to get out thereof. so, i got up and when i went inside, i saw what i believed was probably the gunman lying on the ground, getting beat up, and kicked. and yelled at by two very brave people i still don't know the identity of those two people. but i hope i can find out one day. i truly believe those two people saved my life. >> everything has changed for them forever. let's go to cnn's rosa flores live for cnn this morning in colorado springs. hello, rosa. you know, we've learned the names of the victims in this tragedy, i want to know, what do their family members say?
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>> reporter: you know, don, hearts are heavy here in this community as the community learns the names of the victims and also like you said, just a little bit from their families, let me share their names. raymond green vance, his family describing him as being kind, selfless, gifted and willing to go out of his way for everyone. kelly loving, his sister tiffany saying her sister was loving and caring and sweet. ashley paugh, her husband saying that his wife just had say huge heart, she worked for a nonprofit that helps foster children find homes. and there's daniel aston, he had moved to colorado springs to be close to his family and derrick rump. i spoke to survivor ed sanders who told me derrick would never let him go home without getting an uber, or if he couldn't get an uber, he would drive him home to get home safely. and of course, now we know the
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names of two heroes that authorities saved countless lives, that's richard fierro, and thomas james. and fierro is the army veteran who said his instincts simply kicked in. >> rosa, i want to ask you, we're told by investigators that he's not cooperating or speaking to investigators. what do we know about the investigation into the shooter this morning? >> reporter: well, the investigation is ongoing, according to the district attorney, formal charges have not been filed yet. but the shooter is -- the suspected shooter is being held pending possible charges. multiple, at this point, the d.a. saying possibly five first degree murder charges. and five hate crimes. now, the district attorney says that all of those are possible charges. but that, don, as you know, once formal charges are filed, he asked, those charges could grow, because not only are five people dead in this case, there's also
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at least 19 others who were injured. >> rosa flores, thank you very much this morning. poppy. >> well, this deadly shooting has raised a lot of questions, i think rightly so about colorado's red flag law and why it wasn't used here. it's also known as the extreme risk protection order. it was passed a few years ago in 2019. and what it allows, it allows family members, roommates, friends or law enforcement to petition a judge to temporarily take away a person's firearms if they are deemed too dangerous to themselves or others. if a judge grants that decision, according a hearing will be made before a decision is made to seize those weapons. as we told you yesterday, police arrested the club q suspect in connection with a bomb threat that he had made that led to a standoff with his mother just a year ago. but there's no evidence that the police, or any family members, or anyone surrounding the suspected shooter attempted to use this red flag law that could
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have temporarily stripped him of his weapons. so, we asked the colorado attorney general, you'll remember, yesterday morning, about why. and this is what he told us. >> i do believe officers know we have the red flag law. we need to make sure it's top of mind. and that everyone understands how it works. and what the rational and reasoning for it is. i don't have enough information to know exactly what the officers knew, what we can do is make sure that we embrace this, as a call to action. to better educate about this law, to make sure that law enforcement understands it. and is able to use it to save lives. >> here's what else you should know, more than half of colorado's counties initially opposed this legislation, they declared themselves second amendment sanctuaries. the counties argued that it would infringe on second amendment rights. el paso county where the shooting happened was one of those county. according to kaiser health news,
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as of last june, 20 of the 37 counties in colorado that publicly took a stand against this red flag law actually used it. el paso county being one of them. why it wasn't enforced when the suspect threatened his own mother in that bomb threat last year, that is unclear. >> all right, this morning as colorado is mourning the lives of those five people who were killed, there are still major questions about the suspect. he is right now still hospitalized is not released on bond. is not expected to be released on bond. there is reporting from "the washington post" that he once changed his name and questions that what led up to the attack. to talk more about this is cnn's athena jones. athena, obviously, the focus is on the victims, that's what it should be, on the families, the people. as suspect is awaiting charges they want to know what's going on here, is he going to be charged with hate crime charges. so what have you learned about
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the suspect himself? >> well, as investigators, us investigators try to piece together the charges. his grandfather is outgoing state assemblyman, he's been an assemblyman since 2016 where he recently lost his re-election bid. this is the father of the suspect's mother laura volpo. he drew attention where he said, this is lexington and concords, first shots fired against tyranny. tyranny will follow in the aftermath of the biden swear-in on january 20th. he later tried to walk that back and said he didn't condone the violence that took place at the capitol that wednesday. but it's not clear what kind of intersections the 22-year-old had with his grandfather, but we're learning more about the family. >> one thing to note, an aide for that lawmaker told "the new york times" he had been estranged from that branch of the family and had not seen his
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grandson for more than a decade. i'm sure more questions tabitha. >> certainly. >> and there's a standoff that happened back in 2021 of the suspect. i want you to look at it and get the response. >> this is your boy, i've got the [ bleep ] outside look at that, they've got a beat on me. you see that right there, [ bleep ] got their rifles out. if they breach i'm going to [ bleep ] blow it to holy hell. >> i've got to ask you, considering poppy just did the whole layout of the red flag law and you saw what happened there. what is happening here? >> this is a standoff, as you mentioned in 2021, he'd been accused of threatening his mom with a bomb and weapons and ammunition. according to the el paso sheriff's office, several houses had to be evacuated. you see a very agitated young man, wearing a helmet. some sort of body armor. ranting about law enforcement, challenginging them to breach
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the house. you'll see he was later taken into custody without any incident. this is concerning. we got this from -- keenan got this from his mother's former landlord. who saw him live streaming this on the facebook page. >> she was really concerned, she told "the new york times" over the weekend, how could something like this and authorities not take the weapon away? >> exactly. the same with the red flag laws. we also know from "the washington post" that this young man had bullying as a teenager. his name used to be nicholas brick. right before his 16th birthday after undergoing a lot of online bullying and harassment, he petitioned to get his name changed. he originally was anderson brick. and we learned more about the alleged shooter. >> so investigating and trying
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to figure out his past. >> sure, well, maybe, issues in the past, we don't know. there's still really big questions about that. of course, investigators are looking into all of this. thank you for bringing us the latest. ahead, we're going to speak to the veteran who actually took down the gunman. rich fierro joins cnn live. so, we have an update on you, this is about a white father and son accused of chasing down and shooting at a black fedex drive in mississippi earlier this year. gregory and brandon case have both had their charges upgraded to attempted murder. police say the pair chased down 24-year-old demontario gibson and shot at his delivery truck just moments after he had made a delivery, delivered a package to their home. when the pair was first arrested back in january, brandon, the son, was charged with attempting to cause bodily injury with a firearm. and his father gregory was charged with conspiracy. but a grand jury just indicted
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both men on attempted murder and conspiracy charges. gibson spoke to cnn about the incident back in february, comparing his case to that of ahmaud arbery that was in georgia, the 24-year-old black man who was murdered by three white men nearly brunswick, georgia, 2020. watch this. >> i can definitely see the similarities. and it's my responsibility to speak up, because ahmaud arbery wasn't allowed to speak up. and do that for me. >> also this morning, more than 100 migrants have been rescued from an overloaded boat off the florida keys. the u.s. coast guard released these images showing many of the rescued were young children. leyla santiago joins us from islamorada, florida. what can you tell us about this
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rescue and what led to it? >> reporter: yeah, kaitlan, when you see the rescue, the babies pulled out of the vessel there, you can see why it's so heartbreaking. it's at whale harbor marina, it's not far from where we are, where a good samaritan reported an overloaded vessel yesterday morning. that vessel came up on a sandbar and there was some pretty intense rescue efforts under way by the coast guard. when i spoke to the coast guard overnight, the first thing they mentioned how bad it was, how rough the seas, five to six feet, 25-mile-per-hour winds not an ideal time for anyone to be out there, much less that vessel. still, a lot of questions remaining how long they were out there. and what exactly will happen next. >> yeah. of course, big questions about those rescue efforts. those children that you see in
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the images. laila, thank you for the update. >> yeah. parents, listen up, pediatric hospitals across the country are running out of beds for children. this is largely because rsv cases have surged across the country coupled with the flu. the rsv virus is severely impacting the number of ventilators and hospital beds including at children's minnesota hospital where administrators say they're almost out of icu beds. i want to bring in the president of the minnesota children's hospital. doctor, thank you for being with us. we really wanted you on, my friend, my good friend from minnesota with two little boys just told me they experienced this last week. how bad is it? >> yeah. >> how bad is it? >> we are seeing the biggest surge in respiratory illness, wintertime respiratory illness that we've ever seen going back. a number of patients, patients admitted to the hospital for rsv
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was in october double the previous number. >> then the question is, if this is my child, what do i do? and we have some video. i think you've seen it, i want to display it for our viewers. >> sure. >> to see that babies have been going through, that quick breathing from the abdomen like that, that's concerning. >> right. >> we'll show you the other one. if you could just speak to what parents see as the head bobbing, right? what do parents that witnessed do if there literally are no icu beds for their kids? >> so, a couple of things to keep in mind, rsv is a very common virus. p most people will get it at some point in their childhood. in some cases it's the cold. there's no treatment for rsv. there's nothing that makes it go away faster, the treatments are aimed with dealing with the symptoms. the main reason that children would need to come into the hospital, if the symptoms are severe enough as you saw in the
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video, they're having respiratory distress. the kinds things you saw, the baby, the belly moving out when they breathed, head bobbing, pulling of muscles, that's a sign they might need to seek medical care. the first step would be the pediatrician's office, or emergent care to see whether or not they need to go into the hospital. our hospitals, we are operating at capacity, but we do, are able to accommodate those babies. sometimes, they have to wait a while. sometimes, we're treating patients in the emergency room for a longer period of time. we have to open up alternate areas in the hospital on weekends and nights that might not be used to accommodate the babies, but those are the symptoms. >> a lot of those symptoms, those are pretty common symptoms for children. i have two nephews preschool
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age, they're often getting sick. runny nose, the fever, the coughing, the loss of appetite. how do parents know when to distinguish when it is time to go to the hospital? because they don't want to go prematurely given they're so at capacity? >> right. again, you're right, those symptoms, runny nose, cough, fever, very common. the baby that you saw in that video really labored breathing, not very common. and it's particularly at younger at risk. less than 6 months, considered to be at the highest risk. certainly, a parent with the younger infant having that kind of difficulty should be seeking medical care. >> i just want to ask you one quick question, last week, the big association that oversees you, the children's hospital and american academy of pediatrics went to the biden administration and said we need emergency aid because this in some children is equivalent to what this was precovid vaccine for adults. is that true, do you need emergency funding from the biden
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administration? >> yeah, we certainly -- you know, we are -- we are strained on space. on staff. on supplies. and any help would be welcome. and so, certainly, this could be one additional tool that could help children's hospitals like childrens minnesota and our colleagues around the country get the resources that they need. >> okay. doctor, thanks for this. but thanks for what you guys do for kids every day. thanks. >> thanks for having me, appreciate it. disney's stock is rising after the announcement that the former ceo bob iger is back that charge. and the united states vice president kamala harris is talking 2024 this morning. wow. >> well, as the president said, he intends to run. and if he does, i will be running with him. introducing the new sleep number climate360 smart bed.
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so you won't miss an opportunity our former ceo at disney is a guy named bob iger. old bob, two years ago, old bob decided to retire. so he picked a new bob to replace him, bob chapek. last night out of nowhere, the board of directors fired new bob and convinced old bob to come back which means new bob is now old bob [ laughter ] and old bob is new the new bob. it's like what happened with coca-cola when they switched the formula, and now we're back to bob classic, i guess. >> he got that from kara swisher, called them bob one and bob two. >> that's right.
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>> wasn't there a new coke, coca-cola? >> clear pepsi. >> i was alive. kaitlan wasn't. >> so, it was new coke, everybody hated. but at any rate, thank you, jimmy kimmel, for expressing exactly how i felt about this. i'm like, what the heck is going on. front/back, i hear that a lot of disney executives were at the elton john concert. >> when they found out? >> when they found out. and he was supposed to introduce elton john, didn't happen. disney stock jumping 6% after the big announcement that bob iger will return to disney as ceo. retakes the reins from hand pickeded bob chapek. our business correspondent rahel solomon is here. hello. >> hi. >> one day, the stock is up, this is what i say, disney is making big changes. there are certain people met for certain jobs. >> yep. >> and he is one of those people, he was built for that
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job. >> old bob or new bob? >> old bob -- >> is that old bob? >> i'll try to make sense of it, yes. the current bob, the current bob. so, look, just to put this in context, it was sunday night that the staff learned that the old bob, bob iger would be coming back. by monday evening, there was a memo sent to employees essentially mentioning being changes, kareem daniels is going to be stepping down. he led the executive division and cebic ally, the new bob, we also learned in that memo over the coming weeks there will be more organizational and operating changes, i.e., more to come there. and streaming will be a focus heading into disney plus, of course. so, earlier this month, disney reported that they lost $1.5 billion in the quarter, still adding subscribers, but those type of losses, there's not really an appetite for that in this investing market. investors didn't like it.
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>> it seems like a lot of changes we're hearing is changes that bob chapek made now that bob iger is back, he seems to be reversing some of those changes. have we purchased from bob chapek on the massive change at the helm? >> i don't we have. the timing is curious because it was just in june that the board had unanimously approved a three-year suspension to chapek's contract. and in november, they made a sudden 180. what we're now seeing from "the financial times" apparently there was rebellion over the summer who were iger allies, it seems to make sense because just over the last few months, we're learning there may have been some discontent among top executives who were iger loyalists. >> it's so interesting. he also started at the ground level at abc. so many years, really worked every level to get there. >> and, let me ask you, i've spoken to people who, you know,
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executives, who say this is really unusual. >> it is. >> for a board to do this, it takes guts. >> uh-huh. >> because people don't want to admit that, you know, they made a mistake or that the other person -- you know -- >> i think it takes guts, howard schultz did it twice at starbucks, three times over. it's rare for sure. but also, yeah, it takes guts to make the decision to re-examine the decision to re-up chapek. >> it really is unusual to bring somebody back. is there no one else -- >> that's a great point, succession planning. >> yeah. the truth is chapek was bob iger's hand-picked successor. >> a new person would be another unknown entity. >> yeah, maybe it comes from the company. i think it's a question in terms of, clearly iger had the golden touch. in his previous tenure. will he have the same touch this time? we'll see.
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♪ workers at the biggest and most powerful rail union have voted down a tentative contract deal. and if the two sides cannot reach an agreement son, there might be a strike which industry officials have estimated could cost the economy more than $2 billion per day. freight rail obviously makes up a huge chunk of the american supply chain and a strike means that food prices could skyrocket even more than they've been raised because rail is absolutely crucial in getting those products to consumers. even gas prices could increase given 300,000 barrels are moved daily by rail. and about 75% of all cars and troubles built in the united states or imported here are also moved by rail. that could mean a big shortage and massive price hikes. and if you're a commuter you could also be in trouble nearly 97% of passenger rail actually runs on freight lines. on top of that, holidays are
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around the corner and strike could come during peak buying season. joining us is jeremy ferguson, with the union that rejected the labor deal and represents 28,000 conductors, breakmen, yardmen, and others who are all involved here. jeremy, thank you very much for joining us this morning. you say you believe a strike could still be averted. how? >> well, first, thank you for having me, it's a pleasure to be on here. and i would just like to simply like to say, yes, a strike could be averted. the ball is back in the carrier's hands, at this point, back in their court. and we go back to associations this afternoon. talks will begin, i will be with three other unions who had failed agreements. it will be a difficult process, and we're going to do our best, we want to keep america moving and we certainly want to help santa claus get the gifts delivered for christmas also. >> yeah.
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>> a lot of parents are worried about that as well. what conversations have you had with the white house? you've been speaking with the labor secretary. what does that look like right now? >> very limited discussions with the secretary of labor at this point. yesterday was a blur. things went quickly. i know everybody's watching it. capitol hill is watching also. but no real engagement, though, at this point. i'm sure that will come today. >> in terms of a deal that the eight of the unions agreed to and four have rejected so far, but i know you all stand together, it includes 24% raise for workers over five years. additional personal day, cap on health care costs. modifying a strict attendance policies but i understand still no sick day officially included. that's a big hangup point. i thought it was interesting that one of your members of the union jordan boone told "the washington post," quote, some of us would rather be forced by
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congress to take something than to vote on something we're not on board with. just to be clear, congress can make them go back to work, that's written by federal law, and they could enforce a worse deal than what's on the table rue now for your faolks, is tha right? >> you are correct, yes. so, you know, some of this vote i think wasn't necessarily a referendum vote against the contract, as much as it was against their employers. times are tough out here right now with all of the cutbacks, members aren't necessarily voting on the money issues. it's how they're treated, dignity and respect while they're at work. when big corporations cut too deep and they expect everybody else to pick up the pace, it becomes intolerable. you don't have the family time. you don't have the time to get adequate rest, mental rest from being on the road, being away from home terminal, all the issues we have to deal with when we're keeping america moving 24
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hours a day, seven days a week, nonstop. >> i've got to tell you, it doesn't sound good, and you don't sound optimistic, because you just told kaitlan you didn't have many talks with the white house. look, everyone wants their christmas presents, right? so are you optimistic? do you think this thing is going to work out? i mean, what is the plan here? >> well, that's an excellent question, don, and we are working, like i said, today, we're kicking off again, our negotiations, our discussions with the carriers. and we will see where it goes. i know the white house is watching. and i know everybody's paying attention. so, i'm sure it's going to pick up steam, especially as we move into next week. >> well, yeah, santa needs help. he can't get everything on that sleigh, he needs a little help.
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>> and my home my children aren't watching. >> i'm glad you said dignity, i know we've got to go, but that's so important, dignity and the workers want to be heard. thank you, jeremy. >> thank you, jeremy. good luck. let us know what's up. we'll have you back. appreciate it. so, this story is fascinating, his wrestling name is progressive liberal. and his job is to rile up the supporting crowd from the ring. but what started up as just fun gimmick has gotten out of control. >> people are even more frustrated, they're even more divided. now here's this guy in our town saying this stuff that we see on television that we don't agree with. so, we can't get those people, we can't get the politicians. let's get him. what if “just an idea”
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all right. this morning, vice president harris is on her way back to the united states, after visiting the philippines. she's visited an island in the disputed waters off the south china seas during a visit that is seen as some effort by the biden administration to renew ties with manila, as tensions have been rising between united states and china. of course, you just saw that meeting with president biden and the chinese president xi jinping that happened while he was in bali. harris, though, spoke with reporters on the trip. she made headlines herself speaking about 2024 and what that run could look like. >> well, as the president has said, he intends to run, and if he does, i will be running with him. and i have no doubt about the strength of the work that we have done over these past two years. >> the white house was asked yesterday if that's something that biden would be discussing over the thanksgiving break with his family. they said, yes, that is a conversation he's expected to have in the coming months, we'll see. this also just in, a matchup
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set at the world cup, saudi arabia knocking off one of the pretournament favorites, argentina, lionel messi's argentina team. dominated the first half, the star striker opened the scoring, saudi arabia scored twice early in the second half and pulled off that shocker. but this whole world cup has been overshadowed by qatar's human rights abuses and its refusal of even support or allyship for the lgbtq community, prompting this comment from the secretary of state antony blinken. >> one of the most powerful things about football, about soccer, is its potential to bring the world together. it's always concerning from my perspective, when we see any restrictions on freedom of expression. it's especially so when the expression is for diversity. and for inclusion. and in my judgment, at least, no one on a football pitch should
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be forced to choose between supporting these values and playing for their team. >> and back here in the united states, in just a few hours, an appeals court will hear arguments in the justice department's challenge to the appointment of a third party, a special master, to review records seized from donald trump's mar-a-lago estate. straight to cnn's paula reid now with the very latest. good morning. what is going on here? where are we in this process, paula? >> reporter: well, don, this is the first test for the newly appointed counsel jack smith. this is the first court hearing since his appointment, and while he will not be here in person, he has personally approved all of the arguments that his prosecutors will make in court today. as they try to remove significant obstacle to their investigation. and that is, the requirement that a third party will review all of the materials that were seized from former president trump's mar-a-lago home back in august. now, the former president requested this review, because
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he argued that privileged materials may have been caught up in that search. and a lower court granted that request. a so-called special faster was appointed, to go through about 22,000 documents. and the need for speed is really what's at stake here. as we know, the former president, he has successfully used delay as a litigation tactic for decades, but there are concerns about how far this investigation will go into the 2024 presidential election cycle. you heard the attorney general on friday when he announced smith's appointment saying this is not going to slow anything down. i've spoken to sources close to smith saying this is not somebody who dawdles, this is somebody who moves quickly and help prosecutors to proceed even more swiftly. >> how likely is it that they will succeed here? >> reporter: it's possible, one good sign for prosecutors is that the court has already granted them a carveout for
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classified materials say, look, they can just go ahead and start investigating those. and now a different panel of jumps will assess whether they just want to get rid of the special master altogether. but, don, we're not going to get a decision today, but this is a big test for the man who has just inherited two of the most high-profile and sensitive investigations in the country. >> yes, enormous consequences for this. paula reid, appreciate. wait till you watch this, a liberal wrestler from appalachia, i use that name because that's literally the name he used, used to the crowds taunting him is now living in a very dangerous reality. in this divisive climate, he said the taunts are getting too real and the sport is who dangerous for him. elle reeve has this fascinating reporting. ♪ >> reporter: this is politics in america right now.
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channeled through a pro wrestling ring. >> i just criticized their way of life and tell them how they need to follow a real man or my hero joseph r. biden. >> reporter: the progressive joe richardses is a wrestler fans love to hate. >> when i grab him and the fans say hit him in the mouth, and they come from the seats, i hit him in the mouth. and they go, he did that for us. >> reporter: and his mentor beau-james came up with that when trump was first president. >> my goodness, if we had a guy that was anti-trump and send him to the rings in these towns, how much hate would we get? >> they want to see you get your ass kicked. that's the heat you want. >> it's the greatest feeling in the world. it's a high. >> reporter: now that politics has gotten so intense, it's getting too real for dan. >> the response to me, and people who think like me are more violent.
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>> reporter: dan really is liberal. i first interviewed him in 2017 which now bizarrely feels like a more innocent time. but in 2017, were you like all-over, hillary shirts, being hillary focused. but pieces of current events, do you pull from, to sort of trigger people? >> i've got a biden shirt. one of kamala harris. the biden one triggers more people than anything. i don't think half of niece people even know who kamala harris is. >> reporter: dan says he gets more heat now than when trump was in office. he feels like fans feel like they got their hero taken away. >> there's so many people that think the election was stolen. i sell realism and emotion. it gets emotion out of people. whatever the headlines are that week, that's what we're going to use. >> reporter: did you ever talk about the election being stolen? >> yeah, if dan wins by
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cheating, his opponent can go to the microphone like i do and say, i lot of these good people think that you stole that, just like an election was stole, the building goes nuts. >> reporter: they usually wrestle in appalachian counties some went for trump by more than 80%. >> it's a small mountain time. poor county, poor community, no hope. he represents to them everything that has put them in that position. >> reporter: do you think it's changed in the last five years, how intense it is? >> yaeah, it's more dangerous. >> moment i realize when things have changed when i have rock star envy and someone tries to light me on fire and pull a knife on me. >> reporter: so recently? >> yeah, that was a month ago. >> people are even more fluft traited. they're even more divided. now are people in our town saying this stuff that we see on television that we don't agree with. so, we can't get those people, we can't get the politicians, let's get him.
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the community of about 330 people. fans came ready to boo dan. >> we have our own opinion but his, especially in this area, is a lot different and everybody wants to punch him in the face. >> we love wrestling, first of all, but to show the liberal, hey, we know what we stand for. definitely lot the left side. >> reporter: do you want to see him get beat up? >> yes. >> reporter: do you want trump to run again? >> amen. >> reporter: you do? >> yes. >> reporter: cory wrestles as white trash millionaire. he doesn't like politics but he's off the trump train. >> i don't see how things can get worse but with trump we would find out. >> reporter: you think so? >> i believe so. when you stop putting america first and start putting yourself and what you want to do first.
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i'm jumping off any train. >> reporter: tell me when that moment was. >> twitter. if i'm at my job and i'm constantly tweeting, i'm getting fired. i want somebody that leads this country by actions not by words. >> reporter: the crowd was loud for other matches u but when dan walked out it was next level. then he got out of the ring and riled them up more. a guy lookd reaed ready to figh. some fans fought each other. beau cut the match short. backstage they a said the crowd got too hot, too fast. >> we felt it coming. we pushed it too far. >> it's a different kind of hate now and it's at a level i
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haven't experienced previously. it's getting more violent and on what side it's coming from, have a reality check. >> you have to know how to hear it, feel it, live it. you can be great and do all the athletic moves and all the stuff. if you don't know your audience it doesn't matter. >> i always say you have a way of just disarming people so they tell you exactly what they are experiencing and thinking. why did you want to tell us this story? >> i had felt politics being more heated and intense when i covered it. maybe at a political rally or something like that. i was looking for a way that could show this visually. how intense it was even for the average person. so i called up dan and beau. >> what was it like being on the ground there as you're reporting this out and listening to stories.
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it's an interesting perspective. >> the wrestlers often have so much knowledge and winz dom about what regular people want to hear and feeling and their frustrations. i love that. it was one of the nicest supporting crowds because the announcers came on saying these girls are nice and love wrestling so be nice to them. >> that's not always the reception you gt at other trump' vents. it's a perspective in a world view of people that you don't always get talking to lawmakers. >> they are there. it's unpolished and they are actually -- there's no media professional tweaking every word they say. it's very real. >> how do i say this without -- that made my sad. they can't tell the difference, in my way, i'm generalizing between reality and not reality. this is something that's supposed to be fun. they are operating on this whole thing about people, the democrats being evil and
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election denial and the election was stolen and all that. it just makes me really sad. i want to say hey, guys. none of what you're believing is true. i don't know. i don't know what to do with that. i really don't. >> i think it does reflect the dehumanization of your political opponents that we're seeing now. when i interviewed them five years ago, i interviewed people in the crowd and they were laughing. they would be like who doesn't love the hate the liberal. now it's way more serious. >> as we have seen around the country -- >> dangerous. >> dangerous. that's why i said i don't know what to do with that. we are at point now with people being who they are, because of what they believe, they are in danger. as we see, five people are dead in large part because of not believing or vilifying people they don't agree with. thank you.
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