>> new developments tonight in

the colorado nightclub shooting investigation. the suspect is in jail after being released from the hospital, and scheduled to appear in court tomorrow. the community, of course, is in mourning. for five people were killed at club q, the longtime place of celebration in a safe haven for the lgbtq community. investigators say the suspect had previously been charged with felony menacing, after allegedly making a bomb threat last year. those charges were later dropped, and the record sealed. when asked about a possible motive, the el paso county district attorney telling cnn this earlier tonight. >> so, we are definitely looking at -- colorado has biased crime statutes, better known as hate crimes elsewhere. they are very well-known in the community now. and we will definitely look at that. if there's never something to,

charge we absolutely will charge. it >> we're also learning more about the heroes who brought down the shooter. the navy identifying the man who was injured as he helped push the gun away from the shooter. that man was thomas james, and information systems technician, petty officer, second class. the navy saying, quote, james is currently in stable condition and we remain hopeful that you will make a full recovery. a survivor, identifying a still unnamed trans women who kicked the shooter in the head with her heels. an army vet richard fierro, who is when the guys who brought down the suspect, speaking out about that night. >> but i lost my kids boyfriend. i cried, i cried for everyone in their. i still feel bad -- but [crying] five people don't come home. and this [bleep] guy. this guy, i told him i was eating, i'm going to [bleep] kill you man. because you try to kill my friends. my family was in there.

>> i want to bring in now a friend of kelly loving, who was killed in the shooting. natalie bingham joins me now. natalie, thank you so much for being here. i'm so sorry about your friend. our condolences to you. and i understand that you were on the phone with cali moments before she went into the club. >> >> yes, that is correct. we were on face time exactly ten minutes before the police were dispatched for an active shooter. and i was only face timing with her for five minutes. it started at 11:48 pm, and ended at 11:53 pm. >> and what was that call like? >> that call was one of the most beautiful calls that i will ever cherish for the rest of my life, knowing that my friend called beautiful and who she was and what she looked like that night. kelly was a very not owe going

person to the club at all. so, it was nice to see her break out of her comfort zone. and try something new and go above and beyond. and go alone. she refuses to go to places alone. and i was so nice to see her so confident and show so beautiful. because this woman is a warrior in the trans community. she is more like a trans mother, for me. she is the woman who gave me the confidence that i am today. >> is that right? that's beautiful, natalie. i also understand that you were going to celebrate. you had just celebrated her 40th birthday. but you are going to be spending thanksgiving together. >> yes, that is correct. her 40th birthday was on november 16th. she was in colorado springs for just the weekend. and then, she was going to spend the rest the holiday week

with myself and a couple friends at my house. and now, we have one last person at our table this holiday. >> that is gonna be very hard. thanksgiving is gonna be really hard. natalie, i also understand that you have this incredibly sort of tragic parallel with a club shooting in your life. you were at the pulse nightclub right before, and as i understand it, you laughed that night before the shooting there. >> yes, that is correct. i left about an hour before the active shooter at pulse was doing that. and i was not feeling well. and by the grace of god, i left an hour early. i had five friends pathway that night. and i moved to colorado to escape that, that fear of an active shooter again.

and it's tragic that it happened in what i consider home now. >> natalie, that's awful. i'm so sorry to hear that. that's awful that you had five friends killed that night. and, now you've had a friend killed in this mass shooting. how do you make sense of that in your head? but >> now, with it hitting even more home, being like a mother figure to me, i am going to get the justice kelly deserves. this woman cannot speak for herself anymore. so, i'm going to go above and beyond to make sure that the suspect is put behind bars for life. and also the gun control, i believe the red flag law was overlooked. and the police should have took his weapons away last year during his little bomb threat appearance with his mother. but >> in terms of the threats

that are being leveled against the lgbtq community, how is this changing your life? >> it's changing my life in the aspect that i'm going to be more cautious in open events. how good is the security, how well is the security, am i going to be going to big open sporting events? i'm not going to live in fear, because that's not going to take away my freedom. but deathly gonna be more cautious, because being a trans woman in this day and age, it seems like it is happening more and more frequent. and you just have to live with caution. but that doesn't take away from me going out and living my life day-to-day. >> natalie, when we started the show, we got a little bit of news earlier that the attorneys for the shooter are now saying that the shooter is non-binary.

and the shooter would like to use the pronouns they/them. this is for the court, in all court papers. and that's what anderson aldrich's attorneys are saying. do you have any thoughts on that? >> i think that's completely ludicrous. i believe they are just saying that because they want to have the easy way out on this. that's really, really offending, especially being a transgender woman myself, that a male, which it was obvious from the mugshot, that's a man, that's not a nine binary person. because in no way shape or form cause they appear as a win in the next. day it's really offensive to even hear that that they're playing that role. and if they're non binary, why would you go after the club

where you feel safe at? why would you do that to a community where you are welcome in, if you are non-binary? >> excellent question, obviously all this will have to be answered. natalie, thank you very much for your time. really appreciate it. and our condolences to you. >> thank you, thank you. >> now i want to bring in presidential historian douglas brinkley, author of the new book silent spring revolution. we all have cnn legal analyst joey jackson and very very special correspondent molly john fast. great to have all of you guys. and doug, this is such a sign of our times. this is what we live in. she's been connected to two mass shootings in clubs. i, mean it's becoming not omnipresent, but a few degrees separate for many many people. >> you know, our only lgbtq national historic park is stonewall in new york city. and that happened in the late

60s, 70s. because back, then gay people would congregate at one spot. and in those days, the police would come in and others with just beat and kill people that were different. now, thank goodness, we're able to teach lgbtq history in our schools. but that congregation point puts some of these nightclubs as a bull's-eye, like pulse in florida, like club q in colorado springs. what are we going to do about that? it's going to take a lot more layers of security. this never should've happened though. when you have someone loaded up like that who did bomb threats a year before and is now wandering around with guns and ammo. i do think this was a red flag law missed. and we're going to have to have increased security for that. but we know one thing about brave lgbtq community, that they're not giving up. they're going to fight for the lifestyle. it's been today many decades to get a quality in this country. and also, alisyn, look around the world at how much bigotry there is in countries where if

your different, you are not allowed to even speak. >> the world cup right. now >> the world cup right. now >> joy, allowed to talk to you about right now. what good are red flag laws if they can't, if they don't keep guns out of the shooter's hands. we see this all the time. there's just too many loopholes. it's not working. >> yeah, it's a problem, alisyn, for the following reason. obviously, you have the loss of police can act in a way that's not against your constitutional rights. we talk about the second amendment, which people hold dear, and they should. but the reality is if there's something amiss with you, these red flag laws give the opportunity of law enforcement to take them away, even on a temporary basis until the issue is resolved. here, we had an issue that he had, showing up, right, to his mom's house, apparently, with a bomb, having a gun. obviously, right, that should've been enacted. the red flag laws to take him away. the question remains, would he have gotten? back would've had the weapons at this time? would he have been able to do

it? but the larger issue is if you have a law you have to enforce that you have to do something about it. and it has to deter other people not to do. it >> one more thing, joy, because this is what the lawyers announced. and we just got the word that from now on in court documents and in court, that the suspect is non-binary, are considers himself non-binary, and would like to go by they them pronouns, what you heard our last guest finds that to be questionable. >> and convenient. look, the reality is that perhaps that's the case. perhaps it's not. as we move forward, we will learn more. i know we're learning as to issues in the past in the bully and the nato. >> could this be attorneys? move >> it could be. but anything else, it has have basis. you could say anything. ultimately, when you weigh it out, and you evaluate the background, the history, the circumstances, those facts will determine whether this is just a ploy or whether or not it's credible. >> molly, one more thing. we've also learned today that this suspect, as of seven years

ago in 2015, was the target of online bullying. and apparently, there was a parody website set up that made fun of his looks. and made fun of him not having money. his grandmother was trying to raise money for him publicly to go on a class trip. and they were mocking him for it. no surprise. i mean, we have seen this before. people who feel alienated and publicly humiliated sometimes resort to things like this. >> i mean, that's true. but then it was sort of the job for him not to get an ar-15, right. but a lot of people are believed when they are young, and they don't kill five people. and i think ultimately this was like a failure of gun laws. and there is a red flag, law they didn't pursue it because it was a sanctuary city. for the second amendment. which is, you know, kind of nuts. and i also think that ultimately he had shown violence towards his mother and a lot of people have kind of

massaging the, domestic violence, and so many the shootings can be stopped if people, you know, if these things are taken seriously. so, i do think that there were a lot of avenues to stop this. person but i also say that you are seeing a republican party that is targeting, a lot of drag queens and lgbtq. and this is not an accident. there is a lot of targeting. and there's a lot of, really, and it's the moment now where we all need to stand with the lgbtq community and before them. and they need to be safe, just like the rest of us. >> friends, thank you very much, really appreciate all of your perspective. so, it's been more than a week, and there are no suspects identified, no arrests in the brutal stabbing of those for college students in idaho. but there are some new developments tonight. we have that for you next. and we know 80% of couples sleep too hot or too cold. introducing the new sleep number climate36360 smart bed.

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-- >> police in idaho claim they're making progress in investigation to the murders of four university of idaho students more than a week ago. they say they've investigated hundreds of leads and interviewed more than 90 people. but so, far no arrest has been made. and police say they cannot share details of the case for fear of compromising the investigation. we're back again with joey jackson, and we're also joined by neil franklin, a former maryland state police officer, and mary ellen o'toole, our retired fbi profiler. great to have all of you. so, neil, there is a relatively small police department there. they have not had a murder in that town in seven years. they are not obviously well versed in a murder like this. what's the first thing that

they should have done? or what are you seeing in terms of opportunity is missed here? >> while, like you said, small police department. i think they have around 36 members in their police department. you also spoke to the lack of experience from -- a good, thing a lack of homicides in their city. but not just their city, the entire county in the past couple years there have not been any homicides. so, one of the first things they should have done, recognizing that they may not have the talent that they need, the skill sets that they need, whether investigators, is to reach out to a larger police department. maybe boise, maybe a larger city, that has dealt with homicides. maybe their state police. i think even the fbi, if you asked the fbi, i think they would even lend a hand. obviously, they won't take over the case. but they would give you some resources if you need them. because a lot of light work needs to be done, a lot of interviews need to be done. and one of the very first things, put your pride aside,

and ask for help. >> mary ellen, we've been talking about the mindset mentality of this killer. and you say it's very high risk behavior. what this killer did. so, what do you mean by that? >> well, the offender goes into an occupied building when there are people there sleeping. there is at least one male. this offender could have been overcome. he wouldn't necessarily know if these victims had guns themselves, weapons themselves. he just wouldn't have necessarily had all the information about what is going on inside that house although i do think that based on what i've heard so far. that he's probably had experience inside that house. but when you go inside somebody's home in the middle of the night, when people are in the house -- >> that a dog, by the way. >> very high risk. but we know that there are

fenders out there to add that high-risk element to their crimes, even though it seems very stupid from our vantage point. the reason they do it is makes the crime more enjoyable but to be. able to do that suggests to me that this offender, or offenders, has prior experience being in peoples homes. >> joey -- >> and i think that's a critical part of his personality. >> that is interesting. joey, how is this crime gonna be solved? >> i think a number of ways. i think the first thing they will do is look at the timeline, right, with respect to where everyone was at the time, right. people who were the unfortunate dissidents in this case. i think they will track that down to specifically when they got home, what they did when they got home. surveillance remembers a very big thing relating to where you are. they were seen prior to that at some food place getting food. i think there will be significant dna evidence that is at the location. i think that is gonna be very helpful to the police. remember, there is prints and

everything else. not only dna, but fingerprints. there are footprints. there are other things that they will do. i think they will continue with their interviews. and i think it's not too late to bring in the fbi. i think it's not too late to deal with the state police. i think it's not too late to continue the interviews with other people who know whether there was a motivation, what happened, and whether, as the mayor said, it was a crime of passion, alison, or something else. >> mary ellen, not to get to grisly, but you also think this will be self do dna, because to stab for people is such a bloody crime scene. and it does leave, as you are describing, evidence from the killer at the crime scene. >> it would. the offender was not evidence conscious. they would've left a lot of evidence at the scene. but in particular, when you stab someone, blood is slippery. and your hand can slip down over the blade. and when that, happens you cut yourself. and when that happens, you bleed.

and that goes on the carpet, it goes on the bed. so, they will be collecting all of that and doing an analysis in order to determine if the offenders dna is left at the scene. this is going to be a forensic case. but when you are not evidence conscious, you don't go in and attempt to clean up. there's gonna be a lot of evidence for them to analyze. >> neil, it's just amazing that they have not been able to, i think, put the pieces together yet. if this is a repeat offender, and i'm not sure how you kill four people for the first time if you haven't done any violence before, how they are not already connecting some of the dna. but >> you know, what you just said about repeat offender, one of the things that, again takes a lot of manpower and main hours is to start checking the records of people, checking those that you have in your area who may have histories of such violence. and again, collecting that dna, you've got to have the

resources to do that. you cannot screw this up. so, you've got to protect the scene. i understand that but -- that's what people came over to the house before the police got there. so, you really have to do a good job. you have to have the right -- on the scene. you gotta have the right resources. the right. legs and you cannot screw this up. you've got to do it as soon as possible. you don't want to lose any evidence. but your -- is going to be a lot of dna there from both victims and hopefully from the suspect. >> yeah, let's hope that they can connect those dots very quickly. mary ellen, joey, thank you very much. [inaudible]

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>> 59 years ago today, president john f. kennedy was assassinated as he wrote in a motorcade through dealey plaza and downtown dallas. but decades after that national tragedy, documents about the assassination are still locked away, spawning countless conspiracy theories. -- our guests are all back with us. douglas, why are there 10,000 documents that are either withheld entirely or partially redacted that have not been released, why haven't they been released yet? >> in 1992, we created the john f. kennedy assassination committee. they should all be released by now. it was mandated that it would

be. but it is up to presidential discretion. donald trump, when he ran for president, made a big deal that, remember when he tried to bring ted cruz for being part of his -- >> his dad. >> yeah, his, dad and we're going to open up everything. and at last, trump did not open up everything. when >> he was president, he also promised, which makes it even more strange, here is a tweet from october 21st, 2017. he says subject to the receipt of further information, i will be allowing, as president, the long blocked and classified jfk files to be opened. six days later, he says jfk files are carefully -- are being carefully released. in the end, there will be great transparency. it is my hope to get just about everything to the public, exclamation point. the next day, he agreed not to release the records. something happened. what happened on that day? >> it did. he got heat from the cia, fbi, and the dea. there's a battle going on in

our u.s. government, no matter who is president, between national archives, which is saying open this stuff up for transparency, and presidents who do not want to be at war with cia. >> but why doesn't the cia want to see it? >> they claim that they don't want to see who agents are, where sources are abroad, some are still alive. it is kind of hard to believe this many decades later this would be their stance. but they don't want to out-people. and you don't want to be -- any sitting president doesn't want a war with their own cia. and hence, biden now, by december 15th has a deadline that he is going to have to decide whether he is opening up the rest. he might do another batch. but i'm sure there is going to be thousands of pages that we don't see. and all it does, as you know alison, is fuel conspiracy theories galore. >> i don't blame conspiracy theorist on this. one i'm turning into one, molly. because why does every president say i'm going to do it, and then not do it after the cia gets to them. >> i think there's something in there. well, that's the problem,

that's why they need to be released. and look, jfk has been, you know, he's sort of the birth of this qanon movement was sort of based on a lot of anxiety in the conspiracy theories and the lack of information. so, the more that the government can release, the better for all of us, especially right now. but i do think it's clear there's some kind of internal war going on in government. >> i mean, listen, alisyn, if you have trump in a court with biden on this issue [laughter] -- >> you have to ask some questions. >> you do have to ask many questions. so there does have to be something perhaps in the neighborhood of national security which would prevent it. doug, you mentioned the cia, the central intelligence agency, the fbi, the drug enforcement. whatever it is, obviously this information is mission critical that they don't want to give us. and if they do, alisyn, there are these redactions and a blackout portion. so i'm wondering, if they release, it weather would be so overly redacted to not even really tell much. >> right, it would be

ridiculous. >> lee harvey oz, well he may have been on the cia payroll at some point to previous times. so, the idea that there's been a demand to see what oswald's taxes and things are. that's a big note that the cia, fbi want nothing to do with releasing these new oswald information that scholars have -- hidden from the american. public >> in your stellar historian, mind is there any way that there is a different narrative about this than what we've been told, and that's why they don't want to be released? >> well, the fbi still -- and cia. but the fbi's story about gangsters and looking at mauve in the way that they create sources to get mobbed leaders. so, there is that concern. and when you get fbi and cia, who don't like each other a whole lot, agreeing don't release all of this jfk material, it would be incendiary.

what will someday maybe happen is you will be so redacted that documents come out just black, magic markers out so no one can read through history. it's frustrating to people who are trying to get closer. even the whole warren commission files that were supposed to be our big public -- not released. >> do you think joe biden is going to release the -- >> i think it's unlikely. especially because there's also i think a lot of anxiety that there's some connection to organized crime or that there is organized crime informants that would be revealed. so, i think that there is a worry that it is just going to open a lot of problems for the security -- >> we would all love to see it. thank you all very much. now, to this. travel expected to surge first sinks giving of course. after the pandemic put a damper on things, you could say, for the last two years. so, will more people around the dinner table mean more fights with your angry on call? how to handle holiday arguments. we have the four tips for you,

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but yes, there is a weather system that is pushing in across the pacific northwest. this is going to merge with another system across the south central u.s.. so, a lot of people are gonna be impacted by. this looks like salt lake city and denver it will be windy, maybe -- thanks to the snowfall there. and it looks like late into the next couple of days we could see a santa ana event. all right, i talked about kind of gathering some strength across the south central u.s., as a weather system gets its act together. and lots of cold air on the backside of this. well, that area of low pressure, with this accompanying frontal system is going to produce some icy mix across the panhandle of texas. also, extending over to places in eastern sections of new mexico. so, amarillo, midland, odessa, also into roswell. this is where we could see the messy weather. and we are not finished yet, because guess what, as you are trying to make your way back home, then it becomes the northeast of new england. but in the meantime,

thanksgiving, day looks like a pretty nice forecast in new york city. temperatures in the 50. doesn't look like wind is gonna be a problem there as well. for dallas, some rainfall expected there. for houston, about 73. denver, you are going to be cold and just about 40 degrees. los angeles, 70, five that sounds pretty nice. for atlanta, a few clouds here and there at 62. alisyn? >> karen, thank you very. much i want to bring back our panel, doug glengary, joey jackson, and molly jong-fast. how excited are we for thanksgiving? are you guys excited? >> i. am >> i really am as well. >> because you put it on hold for two years? >> we did, and our having people come over. really excited. i've been traveling, we're psyched and waiting to get on the plane tomorrow. i've heard that airlines are operating pretty well right now, better than ever. so i get, home and then i like the party beginning. >> that is so. great i feel the same. way i love thanksgiving. i love the meal. i love that whole day. what are you doing for thanksgiving? >> i'll be at my brother's house. it will be a festive occasion.

it'll be unbelievable. and i want to answer the question about the arguments around the table. >> okay, we'll get to that. >> [laughter] >> molly, will be arguments around your table? no, because you guys all feel the same way? >> but if there was, i would humor my relatives. >> you would? >> yeah. >> i'm so interested to hear. that because that's one of the things you are supposed to do. so, here is, according to axios, hollow day disagreements at the dinner table, because everyone 's gonna be back after two years. donald trump is running for president again. so, there may be similar event. so, number one, on little humility goes along. which i think it's also akin to what you are saying, sort of self deprecating and inject humor some. well >> yeah, or agree to disagree. you know, we can feel differently, but have a very nice thanksgiving. >> molly, it's very interesting that you say. that because that's, number to agree to disagree from the start. but i don't understand. explain to me how you do. that because it's all well and good until somebody dropped some, like, miss truth bomb on the table. and you know it was antifa.

and you're like, well, i agree to disagree. no, you can't. >> i think the idea is that you are probably not going to change hearts and minds. and i think there are some people you might. but a lot of people you will not. so, with those people who you know are really dug in, you could just say we can agree that this was not antifa. or we can agree that you think it, was and i know facts. you, know go from there. >> i agree with you one hunted percent. i think we've had such a national food fight neo-civil war whatever you want to call it. give it a break. if you have young kids, they're let them see that the grown-ups can be civil. and put that stuff aside. it can be picked up on friday and saturday. but on thanksgiving, when you're eating and it's a blessing, we are thinking about our beautiful country, we need to think about our troops abroad, be in a more prayerful, spiritual, and fun mood and then getting back into this nasty slug fest that we are living in our political landscape. >> totally agree.

and obviously, gratitude goes along. why >> i have a metaphor. my metaphor is, as i do, yes dear, you're absolutely right, totally one hunted percent. and it's over. >> that's happy wife, happy life. that's a different motto. >> but i converted, right, to just the table in general. 100%, you're absolutely right, god bless you, it's over. >> you have all given us great advice. thank you very much. have a great thanksgiving, guys. we will be right back. mercedes-benz is turning electric... completely... on its head. bringing legendary design... and state-of-the-art technology... to a fully-electric suv. the all-new, all-electric eqb from mercedes-benz. ♪ here goes nothing. hey greg.

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>> we have breaking news out of virginia tonight. and i'm sorry to have to report that law enforcement in chesapeake, virginia, is responding to a shooting at a walmart.

as of now, we are told there are multiple fatalities and injuries. chesapeake police, the public information officer there, leo kaczynski, as just told cnn that there are multiple fatalities and they are still going through the building at walmart. we are still joined by juliette kayyam, neil franklin, and joey jackson. while, joey, here we are, again. here we go again. there is nothing -- it's impossible to be surprised anymore when we have to report on a mass shooting. but it's still just as sickening, of course, as we prepare for the thanksgiving week. >> and also, alisyn, i'm so tired of saying it's on the heels of, and it's on the heels, of and it's on the heels of of what just happened. and we saw, even with a three young man and the football players and virginia, that just happened recently. you know, what do you say about this? and if you talk about the issue of gun control, goodness forbid, that's not something we should

ever address. there is just something that we have to get our arms around. as it relates to these mass shootings. something is amiss. i don't know its people, or the angriness, or the climate, but i'm just so tired of talking about it. and nothing being done about it, so that we can talk about it again and again and again. >> whether it's, as you say, college, whether it's at uva, whether it's a church, juliette, whether it's a synagogue, whether it's a walmart or a supermarket or a nightclub or a school, we talk about it every week. >> yeah, and i was on an hour ago on a different one. you know, going to bed when this happens. so, this is still active. walmart, as we know, i think this is a walmart are huge. so, we actually don't know likely what the number is. we don't know if it's someone who work there are someone who entered. but multiple fatalities and

then others injured, you know, this is clearly a a mass shooting event, yet another one. and we simply don't know if the motive was internal, if the people knew each other, or an external threat. so, we'll get the information now. the police will probably have, unfortunately, a larger number than even the one we're hearing, just given the size of these walmarts. this is consistent with what we are talking about earlier, that each of these situations is different. peoples capacity to respond is so limited. if you can leave the walmart, leave the walmart. but we just don't know what's happening inside either particular room or the area. and again, we cannot say it enough that these are not rational conversations to be having in a country that should be able to solve a problem like this. >> neil, i mean, we just don't have that many details right now. but it sounds bad. again, we are just hearing from law enforcement in chesapeake, virginia, that there is a walmart, i mean, there is a shooting at a walmart. tuesday night, i mean, you know, look, people are shopping.

as close to midnight, obviously, on the east coast. but we don't know exactly what time this happened. but they are reporting multiple fatalities. >> yeah, alisyn, and, again, two days before thanksgiving, we know people were out shopping. this is a huge walmart. i'm very familiar with chesapeake, virginia. it's a heavily populated area. you have a lot of military personnel there. it's in the norfolk area. and, you know, i assume, i don't know for sure, but i assume there were a lot of people in this walmart. so, it is going to take a while for the police to go through this entire story. unfortunately, i think there is going to be a lot of injuries. we already know that there's some fatalities. but as joey says, here we go again on the heels of another. and we have to do something, we just cannot complain about. when i say we, i'm talking about our legislators, i'm talk about congress. they have got to do something. we need action. we need something of substance.

>> we all agree, we all agree, and we all agree every time. and yet, something always gets in the way, joey, of them taking really significant action in terms of how to stop this. i don't know what the solution, is but i know that i feel your fatigue, i feel all the viewers fatigue in terms of how many -- i mean, we've just accepted that this is our normal way of living here. >> i hate to say, it but that's what it seems, like alisyn, when you have mass events like this. and you laid it out, all the event news where it occurs. and what happens? it just continues to happen. and then you have the parties get together. and they say we are going to do something. and never mind. things do not get done. so, i just do not know what the answer is. i wish i did know. but it just seems, you know, so random and so repeated. and how do we get our hands on this, how do you prevent it, how do we do something about it? so that another person is not dead, or multiple people are

not dead. >> if you are just joining, us again, we do have breaking news, law enforcement in chesapeake virginia is responding to a shooting as of now we're told there are multiple. fatalities. we don't know an exact number and injuries in this -- and this comes from the chesapeake public information officer. obviously, we will bring you more when we get. it juliette, i am out of questions. i don't know what more we can say, as you and i have talked about so often. >> so, and unfortunately, we are in the middle of this. we want to be super careful about the reporting right now. but what we do know is that the primary focus right now is family unification, as we all have been saying, it's a shopping tuesday night. people really start cooking tomorrow. it is a late night open store. and, so there are lots of people there whose family members do not know where they are. so, i hate to be tactical about this, and not as emotional as

we all are, but right now it's going to be the focus right now on family unification, because you're going to have to identify who the victims are. and then notify the families. so, we are looking at a couple of hours into the night. until we know exactly how many in the people who survived can meet up with their families and those who did not have to be identified. we are talking moments since this is happened. so, identification of the victims's primary at the stage. >> neil, juliette, joey, it's awful to think about this two days before thanksgiving. i appreciate being with you guys. obviously, we will stay on this. cnn is staying on this breaking news. we will bring you all the new developments. we are going to take a quick break, while we continue to gather our reporting on what is happening tonight at this walmart that you now see on your screen in chesapeake, virginia. our live coverage of this breaking news will pick up in

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