he went in at 10:00 p.m. tonight and we received a phone call -- well, his wife received a phone call about 10:18 saying that he had been shot. what was really strange to us is that he clocks in at 10:00. so he hadn't even been there ten minutes. >> those are people affected by a shooting, this is "cnn this morning." for the second time in four days america sees another mass shooting a gunman opening fire last night inside a walmart in chesapeake, virginia. this is what we know at this hour. police confirm six people were killed, the shooter is also dead. >> it's not clear at this hour whether there was any sort of standoff or whether officers fired shots when they arrived and a motive is still not known. >> we'll hopefully learn more about that motive, the suspect, what happened inside walmart last night as police are set to hold a briefing in the next hour

to take questions on this. brian todd is live on the scene in chesapeake, virginia. what are you learning? >> reporter: i can set the scene for you, we'll zoom past to the entrance of walmart right there where law enforcement personnel have been coming in and out all morning. the attack unfolded a little less than nine hours ago, the first calls came in to police just after 10:00 p.m. eastern time. what we're told by a law enforcement source that spoke to cnn is that an employee or former employee walked into the break room and opened fire. and then that employee or former employee turned the gun on himself. six people were killed, six victims dead, the gunman is dead. and we're told that five people are treated for injuries at the local hospital. an update on their conditions was not immediately available. here they were coming through

this for hours, it took them hours to process and go through the store, make sure there were no additional victims, no one hiding. so this crime scene has taken several hours for police to go through and they have just rendered it safe but they are still combing for evidence, don. >> brian, that news conference expected to happen in a short time. where does the investigation go? i guess we'll learn from that and also a motive we still don't know so we have to wait for the press conference. >> reporter: that's right. we'll press hard for a possible motive. we need to know who the gunman was, were there any warning signs from this person. so these are answers that hopefully police will be coming up with in the next couple of hours. we'll press for details on that. but a dramatic scene unfolding in a few minutes, police responded quickly and it seemed to be over quickly.

you can see some of the vehicles coming in and out of here. this is going to be probably the scene of a heavy law enforcement presence for some days. the fbi and atf are also on the scene. >> brian todd, thank you very much. i want to bring in el-louise lucas, she's a virginia senator and the shooting happened in her district. i know this is not the news you wanted to wake up to this morning. i want to start what's the latest you learned in the hours since this happened about what transpired inside that walmart? >> waking up this morning, a lot of us did not get much sleep last night, did not rest well and will not rest well until we get a handle on this gun violence. we need gun violence prevention in virginia. for all the people saying that their hearts and prayers go out to these people, i don't want to hear anymore about that until they get serious about gun

violence prevention. that's the only thing stopping us from standing before the cameras or the tip lines saying our hearts and prayers go out to the families. we can do something about this. i am sick and tired of legislators giving lip service to it and not doing anything when they have the opportunity to do it. right after the mass shooting in virginia beach we came together with the hope we were going to promote some gun violence prevention measures only to abruptly adjourn without getting anything done with the exception the following year i got senate bill number 70 passed, which is the universal background check bill. but we need to beef up that bill as well. we need to be more on point with how we deal with these red flag bills. i'm telling you, i'm sick and tired of legislators talking about how their thoughts and prayers go out to the families when they're doing nothing to prevent the gun violence in the

first place. that's where the metal meets the road. until the legislature is prepared to do something about that, i don't want to hear about thoughts and prayers. i want to see action. gun violence prevention. there's too much access to these weapons of mass destruction. there's too much access to gun period. as you know, even our lieutenant governor campaigned with a long gun. what kind of message does that send to the people of the commonwealth? even our governor when he was campaigning said he wasn't going to do anything about guns in virginia. how are we going to prevent these mass shootings if we don't do something to prevent this mass destruction of lives. >> that's a big question. and the frustration you have is palpable. and i'm sure it's shared by many. so big questions about that. i want to start on the investigation itself. we have big questions still this morning. i know you've been in contact with authorities. what have they told you about

this? was this person an employee at the store or a former employee? have you confirmed that? >> well, the -- all we know is that this person was a supervisor but the information we're receiving is sketchy. i can understand that because i understand they have to have space to conduct a full investigation before they put out information so there's no errors in what they present to the public. i understand that. but right now we have a community on pins and needles we're on edge because we don't know where the next mass shooting is going to occur. people don't think it's going to happen in their community, all they have to do is wait because they're going to be in line. until we do something to prevent destruction of lives through gun violence, i just don't know what else i can say. it's terrible. stop giving it lip service. we need to do something and we need to do it now. we'll be presenting nor gun violence prevention measures in the 2023 session of the general

assembly. i want people to stand by and watch to see all the people who will be rebuffing that legislation, who will not vote for it. that's where the metal meets the road. when you're in in position to make a difference, you need to act and do something about it. i'm frustrated. i'm frustrated because i'm tired of seeing people get gunned down when we're in a position to do something about it rather than sit on our hands and do nothing. >> i understand this is your district. it hits home for you, obviously. i understand you know the store well. this is a store that everyone would go to. one person said her parents went there every weekend. do you have a sense, right before the thanksgiving holiday, how crowded was it? what have you heard abiliout th? >> i didn't want to talk about my visit to down on battlefield boulevard yesterday. i was down there for several reasons. i went to the pharmacy to get pills, to the car dealership to

look at vehicles. i was right there on battlefield boulevard within three miles of this walmart. who knows where the next mass shooting is going to occur. yes, i'm frustrated. i'm frustrated to the point of tears as you can see right now. we're in the position to do something and this legislature does not have the will to do it. we know who the people are. it's time for people to start electing people who have their best interests at heart who care about whether or not they live or die. >> can we talk about what more you think this legislature can do? because you're right. it took so long after the virginia tech shooting, 2007, 33 people murdered, it took until 2020 for governor northam to sign that legislation that includes red flag laws and other limits on guns. it does not, the assault weapons ban died in the state legis legislature, what do you think can be done in the next session?

>> the only thing i can tell you, it takes the people who are in control of the legislature to do something to make that difference. we can't do it without a majority of people in the house and the senate. being in agreement that it's time to stop the gun violence. that's where the rubber meets the road. it all depends on who is in the legislature, who's introducing the bill and who's taking the votes. just go back and look at past legislation we've introduced. you'll see who's been voting against the bills. i think you know who those folks are -- >> we don't know. we don't know who they are. >> and seeing just how many people will not be in support -- >> state senator -- >> yes? >> we don't -- look, the people watching this are not steeped in the politics of where you are. this is a national show, international show. we don't know who they are. you don't want to point fingers but specifically what are you saying? >> what i mean is that when you

have people running for office, i don't care at the state or national level, and they are campaigning with long guns, and weapons of mass destruction. what does that say to the larger community? what does that say? you cannot be pictured with these long guns and with the proliferation of access to guns and think that people won't want to follow what you're saying, a lot of this stuff is copy cat all across the nation. you see one person goes into the school and kill a lot of innocent children, go into a walmart, kill a lot of innocent people, go into a church kill a lot of innocent people. it is a global issue. it is not local. it is not just virginia. i'm just relating to it as like virginia because it's hit me right where i live. i'm saying on a national level we need to do something to prevent this gun violence. and it's all across the nation. because it's -- it's like a

pandemic. it's hitting everywhere. >> thank you, senator. >> virginia state senator. louise lucas. thank you. we are so sorry. >> thank you. i'm so happy you came on here. >> thank you so much. >> and you talked about this. sorry for what happened in your community but we appreciate your passion, candor, honesty. we'll have you back. thank you so much. >> thank you so much. i appreciate it. >> can i say one thing? there have been these two big mass shootings at walmart, remember el paso and the mass shooting at walmart, companies can make decisions and make changes, walmart made a ton of them, they still sell guns, but stopped selling assault rifles -- >> we don't know if this is about sales. >> i'm talking about availability of guns around the country and the companies have a lot of choices to make. and walmart made a lot of changes. >> it's a big question for walmart and what they do in the wake of this. it's interesting what she confirmed there, which we had

not had confirmed, which is a supervisor. >> sounds like current. >> we're waiting for a press conference. breaking news happening out of jerusalem where police say two explosions this morning are suspected of being a combined terror attack. this is what you're looking at now. this video that has been widely shared on social media showing one of the blasts as it happened that ended with a 16-year-old student dead. hadas gold joins us from the site of one of the explosions in jerusalem. good morning, what can you tell us about these bombings? >> reporter: don, at the site of the first explosion. this is a bus stop along one of the busiest arteries in and out of the city. police say the first explosion happened here just after 7:00 a.m. they say a bag was placed here just on the fence behind me. you can see people are gathering here to take a look at the scene. people have been praying here. the explosion went off just after 7:00 a.m. the force of the explosion was

so wide when we came here earlier this morning we could see debris far into the street, almost to the median in the middle of the street. 30 minutes later another explosion took place just down the hill from here. in total more than 19 people were injured and as you noted a 16-year-old has been killed. police say they believe this was a coordinated terrorist attack. the likes of which a bomb like this that israel has not seen in years. it's bringing back memories when suicide bombings and bombs at bus stations became a regularo occurrence. but a bomb like this has not happened in some time. while this has been a record deadly year for israelis and palestinians, this attack shows a level of sophistication israeli authorities say they have not seen. the hamas militant group has praised the operation, but no militant group has taken credit.

the israeli prime minister has been holding a security assessment and including the inning prime minister, benjamin netanyahu in that assessment. >> thank you very much. ukraine's president zelenskyy, condemning a hospital attack on a hospital maternity ward in the southern zaporizhzhia region. a baby was killed in that attack and the child's mother and doctor were pulled from the rumble. another attack, we all remember the first attack months ago on a maternity ward, now another. >> reporter: hey, poppy, sorry having a few technical difficulties here. in the middle of the front line in southern ukraine and there are power cuts, power outages

and that's making the signal a bit patchy. my apologies for that. on that attack on the maternity clinic in zaporizhzhia, absolutely tragic and, of course, another example of just how appalling and brutal this conflict has become for ordinary ukrainian civilians. the latest information we have from zaporizhzhia is that this maternity clinic was struck by a russia s 300, they're using them for ground attack purposes now. a young baby, just a couple of days old, was killed. along with a couple of other injuries as well. a mother was injured, a doctor as well in the maternity clinic. and it is absolutely appalling that these things are taking place. it's in the context of a broader campaign by russia to strike at infrastructure targets across ukraine. they're targeting for the most part energy infrastructure, as i

mentioned. that means there's power outages and cutouts across the country making life extraordinarily difficult for ordinary ukrainians they're now targeting hospitals as well, that would take us to new depths in this conflict, poppy. >> a little baby. a mother without her baby this morning. matthew chance we appreciate your reporting. one day after arguably the greatest upset in world cup history, four more matches are on the schedule. one of them, morocco versus croatia wrapped up with no goals. amanda davis is live for us this morning. it was an unsatisfying moment for fans watching that match. >> reporter: yeah. as seen over the last 24 hours or so, a number of coaches from around the competition using saudi arabia as motivation, don't let an argentina happen to

us or we can be anybody. it's going to be difficult to live up to what we saw yesterday. but it's to say the morocco game was easing us into the day. they're looking for the first win since 1998. canada, i've seen described as the hipster team of this tournament, they make their debut back for the first time since 1986 against belgium. before that, germany and spain in action. >> i'm rooting for a goal period. there has to be something in the 90s minutes as we're watching this. thank you we'll check back in with you. saudi arabia's win against argentina, might be one of the biggest upsets in world cup history but is it the biggest? harry inton? >> we have run the numbers. it was, in fact, the largest ep

set in world cup history just an 8.7% chance of happening. that beats our viewing audience remembers the usa over england in 1950. i don't remember that. it's number one, it's the biggest upset and that's why we're talking about it this morning. >> when it comes to recent sports history, is it the biggest? >> it is not. this one popped up everywhere. leicester city -- look at those odds? >> i like them. >> 5000 to one, man alive do i wish i bet on that one. leicester city winning the premier league championship in the 2015/2016 season that's the largest one. nothing else that comes close. 5001 events, basically you have a far better chance of meeting someone born on february 29th which happens once every four years. >> this is happening in qatar, obviously. everyone is getting up at crazy hours to watch the game.

what about major sports in the u.s. don't mention the alabama, auburn game and the kick six, i may have to leave. >> this is modern series in professional sports. 1969 the miracle mets over the orioles, the differential between the two teams in the regular season huge. mets came out of nowhere. the detroit mpistons over the lakers. and super bowl 3 in 1969, a lot of guys and our crew loved this game, the jets over the colts, jets i believe a 17 or 18 point underdog. that was a huge upset. people still talk about it to this game. >> i see the numbers, but when it comes to what we think of is the biggest upset, does it match this or are there other games that people think of? >> putting aside championship series, the finals. let's look at other ones. we all remember the miracle on ice? do you believe in miracles?

yes, al michaels said when the usa team beat the ussr in the 1980 olympic. this is one of my favorites, 1951, the giants beat the dodgers, my father who was alive went into his car frequently just to listen to this. it brought up his spirits and it was the type of thing he talked about over and over. >> he would go back later and listen to? >> yes. in 2010 he would go back to his car and listen to this, the giants win the pennant. it's a huge moment. these are the two best probable calls. >> thr for me when alabama played tennessee and cody blocked the punt and it was awesome and the field went wild. sometimes i go back and watch that. >> if my father knew how to use a computer he would have done that. >> let's see if there's any more

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legal challenges. the forgiveness plan is worth up to $20,000 in debt relief per borrower and the payment pause was going to expire at the end of the year. now they extended it into 2023 with the promise of federal relief still unresolved. listen to what the president posted in this video on twitter. >> we're not going to back down on our fight to give families breathing room. that's why the department of justice is asking the supreme court of the united states to rule on the case. but it isn't fair to ask tens of millions of borrowers eligible for relief to resume payments while the courts consider the lawsuit. for that reason the secretary of education is extending the pause on student loan payments while we seek relief from the courts but no later than june 30, 2023. >> they're really confident this is legal even after the federal judge said they overstepped constitutionally. i'm not sure. they did this all based on a

covid law that basically said that agencies could have this power to pause things in a crisis. and they're arguing this crisis extends to now. >> that's what the republican states are saying. they're saying you claimed this is because of the pandemic now this is the argument. biden said yesterday he was, quote, completely confidence his plan is legal. but it's one of the most controversial issues that the biden administration has faced on this. the other thing is now because they are extending the freeze on repaying the student loans for those not covered. they said it would add to inflation because payments won't start until next fall because it takes six months after the court decides the issue to start repaying. so it could be until not next september that people are paying it back. it's a very complicated but this affects so many people. >> so important for so many folks.

we are days away from one of the most important shopping days of the year. that is black friday, post pandemic shoppers returning to stores but with customer confidence down and inflation up, are there any deals out there? what are you seeing on the street out there? where are the deals? are they online or at the stores? what's up? >> reporter: it's quiet right now but in a couple hours we should see the area bustling with holiday shoppers looking to grab deals. the national retail federation is projecting a record shopping season despite high inflation where americans are paying more on everything from food, gas, rent, and carrying higher credit card debt up 15% from last year, the highest in 20 years. so we wanted to know, are s shoppers going to still be shopping this season? take a listen and watch. >> on this year's holiday shopping menu, more sales but

with a healthy side of inflation. >> cutting off your circulation. >> i'm going crazy. >> reporter: denise is in the middle of her holiday shopping at willow brook mall in wayne, new jersey. >> this is my mom and my kids and my niece. >> reporter: but this year the wish list is looking a little different. last month inflation cooled but was still running hot at 7.7% year over year. >> i've had to cut back on shopping because things are too expensive. i have three girls, they do understand that, you know, times are hard right now and it's just me being a single mom. >> despite high inflation, the national retail federation estimates that nearly 8 million more people will shop between black friday and cyber monday and spend up to 8% more this year than they did last year. >> looking at records in all categories. it is remarkable in the face of the cost and the price pressures that consumers are still finding a way to increase their

spending, power the economy, drive economic activity. >> reporter: last month retail sales beat expectations. up 1.3% in october. but this month, consumer sentiment fell. still higher prices haven't stopped some people from shopping. >> has that impacted the way you're going to spend this holiday season? >> for me, not really. because i try not to over spend anyways. so even before this is going on, i try not to exceed what i can do. >> reporter: and according to the national retail federation, while online sales are expected to increase this year, a return to instore shopping will make up a larger portion of all holiday sales. >> i like in person more. >> why is that? >> i don't know. just more of the feel of being able to touch it, see it, being able to try it on for the stores that you're allowed to. and then being amongst everybody

else. >> reporter: it's that holiday nostalgia that willow brook malls says will help return to prepandemic seasons. >> do you anticipate that inflation will play a role? in how people shop, coming to the mall? >> i think people are planning better in terms of what their spend is going to be? >> i don't cut back at christmas. >> how many more stores are you going to? >> maybe five more. >> reporter: five more? shoppers clearly out looking for deals, the national retail federation said that sales started early this year like they have in the past but they are going to go longer this year so retailers can move out all their inventory and one change this year, don, is that retailers are getting rid of free return shipping. that's been a big draw for folks looking to order multiple gifts. i'm going to be around on fifth avenue for a couple hours.

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this morning a michigan man has been arrested, accused of threatening to kill fbi director christopher wray and a california congressman the suspect apparently believing a child slave ring is being run out of congress, it's not. this is the latest in a rash of violent threats against lawmakers. l let's bring in brynn gingras to talk about this. >> it's overwhelming for law enforcement at this point how much is happening and it's becoming a greater concern for the fbi and homeland security because it can be more than words. these threats against elected

officials, law enforcement have been increasing. several members of congress have been on the receiving end of threats and in cases, it's led to physical violence, look no closer than house speaker nancy pelosi's husband. a michigan man accused of threatening to kill a congressman and christopher wray. capitol police were made aware of voice mails left. the accusedd neil matthew legen said hey, john, you're going to die. >> it's all the hate talk readily available on all the social media platforms. it incites people to these kinds of violent threats and violent action. >> reporter: in comments posted on the live stream of testimony last week, walter allegedly wrote i will kill you director

wray, you will die. i will kill you in self-defense. there were numerous comments stating beliefs about a conspiracy theory that elected politicians, government officials, tom cruise and elon musk are involved in a child slave rape ring. one location for where this ring reportedly took place the u.s. capitol. officials reached out to police to perform a welfare check. walter refused to put down his handgun and said he would defend himself against the u.s. government. last week the homeland security committee released a report finding the department and fbi are not adequately addressing domestic terrorism. wray testified to the threat before the committee last year. >> we're also encountering domestic violent extremists, ranging from racial and ethnic bias to anti-government, anti-authority sentiment, to

conspiracy theories. >> reporter: in fiscal year, 2021, the fbi received over 8,000 referrals of possible domestic terrorism incidents by late 2021, the fbi was conducting approximately 2,700 investigations, of which a significant portion were related to the capitol attack on january 6th. >> domestic violence extremism is a terrorism related threat to the homeland that we have been tracking now for a considerable amount of time. it's one of the greatest terrorism related threats we face in the homeland. >> reporter: now something important to note, walter's parents told law enforcement that their son has struggled with their mental health, he's been in and out of mental health institutions. don, you reacted to those numbers we showed. the amount, volume of cases that law enforcement is dealing with is overwhelming. >> it is. >> thank you. i want to bring in now, joining us is a journalism professor at nyu and his

research focuses on the intersections of social justice and emerging media. so good to see you. thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you for having me. professor why are we obsessed with foreign terrorism and not domestic terrorism when it is the number one threat? >> i think part of this does have to do with the fact that what we call foreign troeerrori. they're not like us. but here there was a study that said we tend to individualize these domestic terrorist acts especially when the people threatening tend to be white men. we think of them as individual incidents and not part of a larger problem. but there is a larger problem. >> why do we think of them as individual not a larger problem? >> it's an interesting question. who are we used to seeing as threats? from the outside, when it's people who are trying to think critically about law enforcement, you know, black people to be honest, but i don't think we tend to think about

these kinds of folks even the people in the capitol riots. the military is concerned because veterans are becoming vulnerable to conspiracy theories and involved in these kinds of events. >> when you look at the report released by the senate homeland security and government affairs committee just last week says that, you know, the homeland security department, the fbi, social media company, have basically all failed to adequately address this. it's not just one institution or one prong. across the board. and it's not for a lack of funding, right? >> right. >> so what is it? >> i'm glad you brought up the funding, poppy. because there was sort like $10 million released for funding but it's not getting to the researchers. >> to research the why. >> to research the why, what makes people turn to violence in these situations. there is a way forward here. we see in the research that's come out. a research by the national

institute of justice in 2015 when people become disconnected from their communities, people who seek adventure all these things predict who's going to do this stuff. so there's a way forward. we have to start looking for the threat in the right places i think. >> so much is legitimized by not just political leaders also business leaders. look after the paul pelosi attack you saw prominent people, maybe not outright saying the conspiracies surrounding that but eluding to them. not including the former president, elon musk, all these other figures. how does that impact people saying maybe this is true. >> i'm so glad you brought this up. social media clearly plays a factor here. we saw with this person, recently with the threat on the fbi director he was posting these wild, absurd theories on facebook. if these things are authorized by politicians sitting right now in congress, no other way to say it within they're playing a

game, trying to appeal to some of their constituents who they think might like this and the consequences are real. someone ran into nancy pelosi's home. i think that, you know, it's a combination of these factors, but again, when people become disconnected from their communities, when they start to sort of, you know, buy into this stuff, there are real warning signs and research can help us get to the bottom of this and find a way forward. >> you realize this is all connected from election conspiracies, right, to qanon, to some of the things that you hear. a lot of the things you hear at the maga rallies. you see the hate that's happening in colorado springs. it's all connected, and yet it seems like we don't really want to face it or we don't know how to deal with it. what is your -- what do you think of that? >> i think you're so right. it's sort of -- it's kind of weird and almost seems incoherent, except there is a real coherence. we see certain kinds of

politicians promoting it. one thing i would say is that first of all, nothing ever justifies turning to violence to solve problems. i think that's in the larger situation of america we have to realize that's not the way to go. but people are trying to think capitol hill critically about government. we should, we should have different viewpoints. but these things aren't coming from principled critiques of government. it's absurd fantasies. >> we appreciate you, and people like you studying it. professor, thank you. >> thank you. great conversation. >> happy thanksgiving. >> you too. as companies like disney face a reckoning over the cost of movies and streaming. wait until you hear how much james cameron said the avatar sequel will need to break just to break even. speaking of conspiracy theorists, alex jones ordered to

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you can believe it or not. next month marks the 25th anniversary of the release of "titanic." they are sharing some surprising details about the film, specifically the two romantic scenes you see there. he said he did not almost cast leonardo dicaprio or kate winslet in the phfilm. >> i didn't see kate at first. she was getting a reputation as

corset kate doing historical stuff. i thought, oh, man, this is going to think like the laysiest casting in the world. all right, i'll meet her but i was thinking agagweneth paltrow >> the actor was surprised he had to run his own lines into a screen test with kate. >> he said wait, wait, wait, if i don't read, i don't get the part, just like that? i said oh, yeah, come on. this is like a giant movie. i'm not going to [ bleep ] it up by making a mistake in casting so you're going to read or you're not going to get the part. oh, okay. >> "titanic" of course went on to win 11 academy awards including best picture, best director. clearly it was worth it to rehearse those lienes, do that screen test. listen to this, cameron also revealing his upcoming movie,

"avatar 2" will need to make a profit of more than $2 billion just to break even. he told gq the movie is very effing expensive and possibly represented the worst case movie history. to put that in perspective, only five films have ever crossed the $2 billion mark and of course cameron's first film of the avatar series made $2.9 billion. let's bring in our friend, oliver darcy. >> hi. >> is it going to do it? >> good morning to you. why do they keep doing these big box office movies if they're not making that much money? i'm watching a lot of streaming. this is just me, i don't remember the last time i went to a movie. >> the other thing too, the idea with avatar is it's the top-grossing movie of all time, $2.9 billion at the box office. but the issue here is that came

out during the 3-d craze when people really wanted to see 3-d movies. a lot of people went to "avatar" in theaters just to see the visual effects. it was the film that ushered in this new era of movie making. i think the 3-d fad has died out now. since avatar is so closely associated with that, it will be interesting to see if it can perform that well at the box office this time around. >> is box office dying out? >> for blockbusters we're seeing the box office come back a little bit. we saw it with top aggun, black panther, people are going back for those big movies. avatar is expected to be one of those. the issue is whether people want to go to a 3-d movie. when is the last time you saw a 3-d movie? >> never. >> i remember you used to get the 3-d glasses. >> not all of us. some of us wear contacts. >> right. mine was a huge blockbuster.

still, box office struggling though. >> the other thing that's happening that i've been watching closely is alex jones. he's been ordered to pay $45 million more. this was a massive case where you saw that he pushed lies about the school shooting, the sandy hook shooting. he has now been ordered to pay. now it's $1.5 billion that he already owes. i think the question is are the families actually going to see neces any of this? and is alex jones out of commission now that he has to pay these victims? >> i think what happened in texas was extraordinary. the judge threw out this punitive judgment cap and said the lies that alex jones told about the sandy hook parentsreh that this punitive cap was not going to fly because she saw no other recourse for these families. whether they see the money i think is the big issue.

you've seen other lawyers say they're going to chase jones to the end of the earth to get him to pay up this money. these cases have been years in the making so they'll battle him in court a few more years pause he's going to do everything he can to delay this. by the end of the day, he'll have to pay a distigood sum of money and i think it will be different for his conspiracy empire to stay afloat. >> he keeps going ban onto his platform satisfying ying the gl are after me and raising money, much like the former president, he gets the money from the people and that keeps fueling his website. >> yeah of. and he has, though, stopped making these false flag conspiracy theories. so i think he's shied away from using horrible shootings to make money, but you're right, he is

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