it is the top of the hour on "cnn newsroom." >> the justice department now wants to speak with former vice president mike pence in its investigation into the january 6th insurrection. >> prosecutors want to ask him questions as a witness. cnn's katelyn polantz is with us. this would be different since it's with the justice department and the counsel as well. >> reporter: this is aggressive, and now they are aiming for information from the top person, the number two person in the country, during the trump administration.

the justice department prosecutors did reach out to pence's team a few weeks ago. evan perez and i have been able to confirm "the new york times" first reported this today, and furthermore, pence is open to having a discussion with them. that is really a change of tune from where pence had been previously. he has had quite an evolution on this, even from just a few weeks ago. here's him speaking about when the house select committee congress wanted to talk to him about what happened after the election. >> congress has no right to my testimony. the very notion of a committee on congress and congress sumening a vice president to speak about deliberations that took place at the white house i think would violate that separation of powers. >> reporter: now of course, the justice department investigation is different. it's a criminal probe, and they often are able to get a lot more answers than congress can, especially when there is a question about what happened inside the executive branch. this outreach though, i should

note victor and bianna, this happened before special counsel jack smith was recently appointed to take over the january 6th investigation. it remains to be seen just what will happen with the negotiations now that smith is going to come back to the u.s. and take over that investigation. although we should be expecting it to continue to push for answers. >> we can forgive our viewers were overlapping memories of the congressional and the doj, and the state investigations. so just get everyone up to speed on those in the trump orbit whom have already spoken with the doj and their investigation. >> reporter: well, there's quite a bit of overlap actually. we do know though that the grand jury in washington, d.c. has been quite active, especially in recent months, and they have brought in two of pence's deputies to testify after they spoke to the house. they also then spoke to a federal grand jury in secret. that was mark short and greg

jacob, and there were certain things at that time that they were not willing to divulge. specifically conversations that they knew that would have been presidential privilege. so the privilege that donald trump had to protect things that happened in his white house. now mike pence is a different situation though. he has his own areas where he can try and protect the vice presidency. he's not tried to do that with his deputies and has been much more open, and things really did seem to change whenever his book came out in recent weeks, and he was divulging conversations he had directly with donald trump, and so this criminal investigation is really circling around those specific conversations, and they have talked to a lot of people and heard from quite a bit. >> all right. you continue to follow this for us. thank you. now to the latest on two of the mass shootings that have happened in this country in the last week that killed a total of 11 people. the suspect in saturday's attack on an lgbtq club just finished a

rfid court appearance. the defendant will stay in jail without bond for now in colorado. let's go to virginia now. investigators just identified the shooter in a rampage last night that left six people dead. a survivor said a walmart employee started shooting in a break room. >> today president biden issued a plea urging greater action in run reform saying, jill and i grieve for those families for the chesapeake community and for the commonwealth of virginia which just suffered a shooting at the university of virginia this month. we also mourn all of those across america who have lost loved ones in these tragic shootings. we must come together as a nation to stand against. we begin in chesapeake, virginia. brian todd has been there all morning. brian, what more are you learning? >> reporter: we're getting some new information from the city of chesapeake and from walmart. they're identifying as you mentioned that the suspect's name is andre ving, 31 years old. they tell us he was a night

manager, a night team leader here at this walmart. the city of chesapeake says that he was armed with a handgun and multiple magazines when he shot. law enforcement is telling us who went swbroo into a break ro. we spoke with a person who was there and she was shot at. her name is briana tyler. here's what she said. >> he at no didn't say a word. he didn't point of the anyone or look at anyone. he just had a blank look on his face and he looked around the room and just shot. people were dropping everywhere and screaming and gasping and he continued and kept shooting. in that moment, it hadn't kicked in that it was real because i was thinking it was, like, a simulation type of thing. this is what we would do, and the reason i think it was that was that i recognized his face. >> reporter: briana tyler also told us that prior to this, she

had been warned by others in walmart that he was someone to look out for because there were always some kind of issues going on with him, some kind of odd behavior. she said she didn't have any personal experience with him in that regard, but that she had been warned about him. we have been pressing walmart officials for several hours whether any disciplinary action has been taken against ving previous to this, or anyone registered complaints about him. they have not answered those questions in particular. >> a long time employee there. you'll continue to ask these questions for us. brian todd, thank you. let's go to colorado now. a judge just unsealed the arrest warrant to the lawyers of the suspect in the club q mass shooting. >> the 22-year-old defendant is accused of gunning down five people this weekend and just appeared in court. cnn correspondent rosa flores is in colorado springs with the latest. rosa, what exactly happened in the hearing? >> reporter: well, the suspect appeared in court wearing a mustard jump suit. he was handcuffed by the hands.

he sat through the entire proceeding, and few looked closely at his face, you could see some bruising. remember the heroes that we talked to in the past few days have described how they beat the suspect to subdue him, to stop the carnage on saturday night. now the hearing itself lasted but a few minutes. again, this is only the first appearance with the suspect speaking softly, only to answer questions by the judge. the suspect also waived his rights regarding the reading of the charges in open court, but the d.a. after the hearing stated those charges saying that they include five counts of first-degree murder and five counts of hate crime. the judge referred to the suspect by the pronoun he. this as we've known based on court documents that the suspect has asked to be referred to by them and they. they now identify as nonbinary.

now the district attorney was asked if this new nonbinary identification by the suspect impacts the investigation in any way, shape, or form. the d.a. responded by saying that absolutely not, that in the eyes of the law, the definition of the suspect is now the defendant, and the d.a. is saying that his job now is to look at evidence and be the voice of the victims in court. take a listen. >> i want them to know that we are going to be the voice for the victims in the courtroom and that we will be fighting alongside them in this entire process. >> reporter: now the district attorney says that the formal charges against the defendant could be presented on december 6th. that's when the next hearing is, but that could be delayed due to a scheduling conflict. bianna and victor? >> rosa flores, thank you. let's discuss further. cheryl dorsey is a retired police sergeant and also the

author of "the confidence krone. >> caller: -- chronicles request." and we have areva martin, a civil rights attorney. welcome, all of you. sergeant dorsey, from a police standpoint, it did appear the response to both of these shootings in virginia and colorado was textbook. the police responded within six minutes at club q and within two minutes we're told that the walmart shooting, and yet we have five people killed in colorado and six people killed in virginia. does that frustrate you from a policing standpoint? >> well, you know, law enforcement can only do what they can do, and sadly, you know, we seem to be getting better because we have so much practice responding to these types of calls. i mean, there's so much consistency and regularity in these mass shootings and we often learn by debriefing after each one on what we can do to better respond and certainly a timely response is always first and foremost in a patrol

officer's mind when you are responding to a high priority call like a shooting in progress. >> areva, let's focus now on the virginia shooting. there won't be a criminal prosecution because the suspect took his own life, but as it relates to a move to civil procedures potentially, these generic anecdotes from some of the survivors saying, people told me to watch out for him. he was an odd person. i mean, what role does that play, especially for a walmart as they have to protect their customers and their workers? >> well, i think, victor, it sends a message that perhaps there was some information and knowledge that walmart had about this shooter, and the question is what is that information? was it information that he had some kind of dangerous past, that he was currently a dangerous person that should not have been in that workplace? we heard that eyewitness say that she had been warned that he was odd. she didn't have any personal

experiences with him, but there were a lot of questions that have yet to be answered about what walmart knew or should have known, and what information they should have relaid to its employees and shoppers if that store. should this person have been employed in that walmart store? should he have had access to those employees and shoppers? that's what we should expect to see which are civil lawsuits, wrongful death lawsuits and other kinds of lawsuits seeking monetary damages in this case. >> and from what we're hearing we had a supervisory type of position and had worked there for over ten years. steve, let me ask you from a legislative standpoint, we heard condolences from the president, but we also heard him speak, again, on the need for gun reform, specifically calling for an assault weapons ban. from your standpoint, is there evidence that shows when we

previously had the assault weapons ban enacted in this country for ten years from 1994 to 2004? do you think that the evidence shows that if one is enacted again -- that's a big if because we have a divided congress. do you think that would lower the number of these mass shootings given that the weapon commonly used in them? >> i think what would lower it more is to get our hands around -- our heads around the mental illness crisis, but it possibly could -- the problem is that was, what? 10, 20 years ago. there are more assault rifles according to legend in the hands of private citizens in the united states than there are in the hands of the military. so it's kind of late to close the barn door. i'm not saying we shouldn't, but we have to find a way to keep them out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them, and in this colorado situation, there

was more than enough, more than enough evidence to use a red flag law to keep weapons away from him, and it wasn't followed. the mechanism was there, and they ignored it. >> areva, let's stay in colorado now, and the d.a.'s assertion that the status, the orr -- the identity i should say of the defendant as nonbinary will not impact -- the case will not impact the prosecution. however, he has said that there will be these biased, motivated crimes that are -- that this defendant will face. does this new variable of this nonbinary identity impact how this d.a. should approach this case? >> well, what we know, victor, is that colorado recently changed its bias crime laws,

essentially a hate crime law and now prosecutors can bring a case for a biased crime without having to prove that it was the sole and exclusive reason for the crime as long as it was a motivating factor with respect to the crime. so it lowered the standards in some ways. the prosecutors in this case, the investigators, they're going to be looking at everything that this defendant did. they're going to be looking at phone calls, text messages, social media accounts. they're going to obviously look at this location, and the fact that this shooter showed up on a transgender day of remembrance and that this crime, this crime took place at a bar that was a predominantly frequented by gay and lesbian people. so whether this was motivated by bias towards the lgbtq community, i think the prosecutors are going to look at how the shooter identifies himself as well as the timing and the location, and just real quickly to the point that steve made about the red flag law. yes, there was a red flag law

that was active that is active in the state of colorado, but we know that certain sheriffs and certain counties throughout colorado stated at the time that that law was passed that they were not going to enforce that law and deemed it unconstitutional, and i think we have to look at those law enforcement agents who have made that determination because perhaps lives could have been saved but for that kind of determination. >> all right. areva, steve, sergeant dorsey, thank you all. the busiest travel day of the year is here, and experts predict the number of thanksgiving travelers will reach nearly pre-pandemic levels. we're at one of the country's busiest airports up next. and black friday deals are already rolling out. they actually rolled out weeks ago and despite record inflation, shoppers are still expected to spend that money this year. tony, the new outlaw's got double pepper jack and juicy steak.k. let's get some more analysysis on that, chu. mmm. pepper jack.. tender steak. very insightful, guys.

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americans are making their way to thanksgiving destinations. today is shaping up to be the busiest day for travel since the start of the pandemic with an estimated 55 million people heading out for the holiday. c cnn's omar jimenez is at a very crowded o'hare international airport in chicago. what's it looking like? >> reporter: yeah, well, things have gotten a little bit better right now. o'hare international airport, one of the world's busiest, not so busy right now, but this morning it was incredibly packed, shoulder to shoulder as that first wave of flights began to take off on this incredibly busy travel day. over the course of this travel period, heading throughout the rest of this week between here and midway, chicago's other airport, officials estimating they're going to see around

1.7 million passengers which is up almost 7% compared to last year, and that falls in line with what we're expecting to see countrywide. over the past two days ago, tsa has screened almost 4.5 million people, which is up. slightly down compared to pre-pandemic covid-19, but at least comparable. one person saw that dynamic first hand. take a listen to what she said on her way to texas. >> we were totally thinking about getting here early, which i'm so glad we did because it's even a little more crowded than we expected. so just hoping we make our flight. we gave ourselves two hours, so i hope that's enough. >> reporter: i'm also a two hours person. the peace of mind, you need it there. earlier this week transportation secretary pete buttigieg felt cautiously optimistic about the week ahead. so far things have looked pretty good. there is weather later in the week that could trip things up,

but overall things have looked good, but overall aaa does estimate flights are expected to be up around 8% compared to last year, and so we're bracing for the influx of people heading home for the holidays. >> so you're a two hours person. now of those two hours, how long are you just sitting in the airport most times? seems excessive. >> reporter: i need to just, like, i need to sit there pitch need to have some food. i like to watch -- i like to ease into the travel. i can't do the stress getting onto the plane. i like to ease into it. >> i hear you. >> i can see that. yeah. and look he's got a smile on his face. he's been easing into this coverage all day. >> every time. >> all right, omar. >> we'll check in with you later. thanks, omar. a majority of americans are driving to their thanksgiving destinations. the good news here, gas prices have been dropping slightly in recent days, but the bad news, today's average of $3.61 is still the highest ever recorded

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thanksgiving travelwise. >> what about returning home? when is the best time to leave? saturday night, sunday? >> you know, friday, saturday and sunday is when we see people coming back. try to avoid being on the road between 4:00 p.m. and 8:00 p.m. on those three days. the thing about thanksgiving is everybody is in a rush and people come back in different stages. it's not quite so bad, but it's going to be busy on the roads and we always recommend planning ahead. plan your route ahead and give yourself plenty of time. slow down and move over. aaa always reminds you, if you see any roadside issues, move over and give those people room to work with. aaa is projecting we're going to have more than 411,000 emergency roadside calls during the long holiday weekend. >> let's be glass half full here and we are seeing gas prices going down. they're still higher than they were this time last year, but definitely off of the highs that we saw this past summer. do you expect that trend to

continue into the later end of year holidays as well? >> well, a aa can't project what's going to happen at the end of this year, but we know that roller coaster we've seen in 2022 where we saw, again, gas prices peaking nationally over $5 a gallon over the summer, that has calmed down quite a bit. over the past month we've seen gas prices come down. we're at $3.60 today, and down 15 cents from just one week. they're coming down. we don't anticipate any major spikes this thanks fwgiving wee. we don't know what is in store. whatever happens in the world affects what happens here at home. we're not projecting any big spikes for now. >> there's a rail strike that could happen in less than two weeks' time now. if that were to happen, are you concerned at all about traffic congestion on the roads given

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weapon. >> police, however, say they are making progress in this investigation. cnn's natasha chen is live in moscow, idaho. tell us, where does this investigation stand now? >> reporter: well, victor, like you said, we have been told they are making progress and this involves combing through a large number of video files that people have actually submitted through an online portal. police have been asking for any relevant surveillance footage over the last few days. in fact, this flyer was sent out around the community in the last few days and it does ask for anyone's security camera footage or doorbell camera footage from november 12th and on sunday the 13th. in between those hours is when we know these four people were killed. now this is a press conference where people are really hoping for more concrete information, but i'm being told that this is a chance for police to kind of explain their process as well, what's happening in the course

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three employees of the camden county georgia sheriff's office are now out on $30,000 bond after being arrested and charged after beating a detainee while in custody. you'll remember this disturbing video. you can't forget it of sheriff's office employees attacking 41-year-old gerald hobbs in his cell. three officers were all charged with battery of an inmate and violating the oath of office, the records show. the georgia bureau of investigation says that their investigation is ongoing. the attorney for jared hobbs and cnn political commentator bakari

sellers is with us. your reaction to the charges filed? >> you have to give a huge shoutout to the georgia bureau of investigation for following through and moving expeditiously in, you know, identifying what he said to be true. officerser who violated their oh of office, officers who committed a hay einous assault witnessed on camera, and i believe the investigation will continue. there are officers lying to the united states department of probation on this assault that they allege mr. hobbs assaulted them in federal documents. i look forward to this continuing, and we've also asked the department of justice civil rights division to come in and investigate this department as well. >> i want to get to all that, but before i do, the video, there were five officers, five employees of the sheriff's

office in the cell. three have been charged so far with felonies. the others have not been charged. are you satisfied with the charges thus far? >> we are definitely satisfied with the progress that this investigation is taking and how quickly it's come to fruition. this investigation, it takes not only the video, but the interviews with those particular officers with or without their lawyers, and with mr. hobbs. this has been a very thorough investigation, but as you stated, it's not over. >> yeah. so you say you want the doj to get involved. are you asking for the doj to investigate this incident? i also know you represent the family of latoya james who was killed during a camden county raid last year. are you asking for an investigation of just this or an overall patterns and practices investigation of the department? >> it's a very good question, victor. the fact is we asked for the department of justice to come in

and investigate the death surrounding latoya james. we've asked them to investigate not only this assault against mr. hobbs, but just this department as a whole. i mean, frankly speaking i'm tired of having to go down and do civil rights cases in little camden county, georgia. there is a problem there. as i stated in a press conference, it's exhausting being black and having to deal with law enforcement in camden county, and so we hope the full weight of the body of justice comes and looks at that place top to bottom. if you look at mr. hobbs' incident, not only did they beat him and assault him, but then they lied about it. they communicated those lies trying to get him more time to the united states probation office. i mean, this is something that is readily allowed. this is systemic, and this is something that we have to root out in this local department. >> so let's talk about what you say is a lie here. hobbs was arrested in georgia.

that arrest would have violated his probation in north carolina. the north carolina probation officer who was not there in georgia wrote this in a document. defendant resisted the jailers and subsequently punched one deputy in the face while punching another deputy in the side of his head. one deputy sustained a bruised eye and a broken hand as a result of that incident, and you say that that did not happen. even if -- you're saying this was made up by those officers or those deputies in the ccso? >> so let's just -- let's keep it 100 as we say. he did violate his probation and he was not supposed to be in georgia and he did have marijuana and so he was -- he was actually found to violate his probation. he didn't dispute that.

where the dispute comes in is mr. hobbs always said he never assaulted those officers. mr. hobbs always said he didn't abuse those individuals and there were efforts and this is why in the systems of justice, we have to applaud them when they work appropriately because but for the actions of that probation officer and the u.s. attorney up there and mr. hobbs' lawyer, we may have never found this out. when they saw the video, they looked at that charge in this probation and the judge dismissed that. now violating other conditions of this bond, but not these. >> last one for you quickly. do you have all of the video that you know exists of your client in the ccso's custody? >> we have all the video that we know to exist of that. >> all right. bakari sellers, thank you. >> thank you. new, disturbing details about the horrific mass shooting at a virginia walmart. witnesses say he stormed a break room and opened fire, killing at least six people.

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retailers are already rolling out deals ahead of black friday, as you noted, they have been. consumers are returning to stores in droves to spend. this is despite inflation. >> vanessa is in manhattan. what are shoppers saying about the spending for the holidays? >> the national retail federation is projecting a record breaking shopping season, despite inflation. consumer sentiment is dropping and americans are going into more debt on their credit cards,

15% more this year than last year. we wanted to see are shoppers still expecting to spend big this holiday season? we went to find out. on this year's holiday shopping menu, more sales but with a healthy side of inflation. >> cutting off your circulation. >> i'm going crazy. >> reporter: denise is in the middle of her holiday shopping in wayne, new jersey. >> this is for my mom. i got stuff for my kids and my niece. and oh my god. >> reporter: but this year is wish list is looking a little different. last month inflation cooled but was still running hot at 7.7% year over year. >> i had to cut back on shopping because things are too exp expensive. i do have three girls. they do understand that times are hard right now and it's just me being a single mom. >> reporter: despite high inflation, the national retail federation estimates nearly 8 million more people will shop

between black friday and cyber monday and spend up to 8% more this year than last year. >> looking at records in all categories. it is remarkable in the face of the cost and price pressures that consumers are still finding a way to increase their spending, power the economy, drive economic activity. >> reporter: last month retail sales beat expectations. up 1.3% in october. but this month consumer sentiment fell. still, higher prices haven't stopped some people from shopping. >> has that impacted the way you're going to spend this holiday season? >> for me, not really because i try not to overspend anyways. so even before this is going on, i try not to exceed what i can do. >> reporter: and according to the national retail federation, while online sales are expected to increase this year, a return to instore shopping will make up a larger portion of all holiday

sales. >> i kind of like in-person more. >> why is that? >> i don't know it's more of the feel of being able to touch it, being able to see it, being able to try it on for the stores you're allowed to. and then being amongst everybody else. >> reporter: it's that holiday nost nostalgia that willow brook malls said will help return to pre-pandemic. >> do you think that anticipation will play a role in people coming to the mall? >> i think people are planning better in terms of what their spend is going to be. they've budgeted. >> i don't cut back at christmas. >> how many more stores are you going to? >> maybe five more. >> reporter: five more? >> maybe, i don't know. >> reporter: and there's no doubt that shoppers are looking for sales this year. we are expecting to see steeper discounts and for a lot longer throughout the holiday season, because some retailers have excess inventory. that's a total opposite from last year, when retailers didn't

have enough inventory because of supply chain issues. and new this year, some retailers are doing away with free return shipping because they too are dealing with inflation. they're trying to tighten up their bottom lines. so make sure you're reading the fine print doing any online shopping this year. guys? >> vanessa, are you going to get out there. >> i think so. >> that kid in your piece, i think that was cynthia's son that winked at the camera. he has a future in television. >> exactly. >> thanks, vanessa. hard turn, russia unleashed another relentless round of strikes on ukraine including one that hit a maternity ward and killed a newborn. the latest from the region. ahead. our flexpapath learning formt lets you set deadlines and earn your nursing degreee on your schedule. mucinex nightshift fights your worst nighttime symptoms

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