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>> the former president was already having a turkey of a legal week. now comes what could be a sign of trouble. john furman in for anderson. bailey a day after three or four legal setbacks, depending on how you are counting, including defeat on his taxes, trump has one more thing to worry about, the possibility that the former vice president, the one that he sipped a mob on with a mob on two, 24 p.m. on january 6, one could offer a testimony against him. there was evidence under oath and just last week, mike pence told our jake tapper that he's not cooperating with the house select committee. >> the january 6 committee, congress has no right to my testimony. under the constitution of the united states, as vice president, we had two coequal branches of government. congress does not report to the white house and the white house

does not report to the congress. i believe in defense of the separation of powers and avoid what would be a terrible president. >> what about testifying in a criminal investigation? as we learned late today, that is what federal prosecutors are seeking. we learned he could be open to it. couple that with the possibility that the former vice president is wearing a presidential run over his boss and you have quite a dish this thanksgiving eve. caleb is working the story for us and joins us with the latest. how likely is it former vice president pence would provide testimony in the justice department investigation? >> it is possible. they are at a starting point. there is a lot of eyes on the special counsel jack smith.

from our reporting, we understand this request from the justice department went to mike pence's team a couple weeks ago, before smith's appointment, but executors will continue working on the january 6th criminal investigation. how much smith will want to push forward on this is a big question, but we know from reporting that is open to discussing the possible agreement with the justice department where he could testify. that could be a grand jury or with the fbi directly. he could be providing some information. it doesn't look like he says no right. >> mike pence made clear that he has no interest in cooperating with the house select committee with january 6th. so people understand, what is different about the justice department? >> because it is a criminal probe. that is different than a congressional probe. a congressional probe is their own branch of government and they are equal to the executive

branch. they cannot really reach into the executive branch and pull out everything they want. there is a standoff that continues often whenever congress tries to get information. with this circumstance, a criminal investigation is the justice department's doing. they would be looking into their own branch of government and justice department criminal investigations have gotten lots and lots of information that they want, including around past presidencies. there is nothing that is here that would say the justice department cannot get anything out of tens. they have gotten information out of his top deputies. with the past, the nixon and reagan presidency, all of those presidencies have been times where the justice department was able to both, investigations and look into them. >> vice president pence published a book. inside the book, it details some of his interactions with former president donald trump as trump tried to overturn the 2020 election. might that undermine any potential claim of executive

privilege here? >> donald trump is the person who could try and claim privilege and fight it. mike pence, in his own right, was a important and powerful person, who has his own authority. he might be able to make a decision on his own. it is possible the trump team would fight, but the book that pens put out, we know he is saying, in the book, he is divulging conversations between him and donald trump. he said he told trump that he does not believe he has the authority to overturn the presidency in black certification by congress. in his book, he writes that trump told him he was wimping out and he might have been perceived as a went. those are the details the justice department might want to nail down. they are nailing down from the other people around the white house and trump, even around mike pence.

if they get him, john, that would be what they say is gravy. >> gravy. well done on this thanksgiving. caitlin conant, a happy holiday to you. thank you for being with us. perspective from legal analyst carrie cordero with political commentator and political strategist carmen stewart. you the report from caitlin. how big of a deal is this? >> i think the fact that the vice presidents team, the former vice presidents team is talking to the justice department is important. this is a process, first, they will open a dialogue and they will ask him, the question is, does he want to voluntarily come in and be interviewed, or testify before the grand jury? the next question is, will he be compelled? sometimes there is a gray space in between the government forcing someone serving a subpoena and when the potential witness would prefer to receive a subpoena and prefer to be

compelled, that way they can sort of publicly, especially if they are politics involved, have the appearance of holding back a little bit, not volunteering to go in, but if they are served with lawful process, cooperating with a lawful law enforcement investigation. >> please compel me. i only testify because they tell me to, that kind of situation. ellis, about the politics, if the former vice president chooses to cooperate with the investigation and chooses to run for president in the coming year, he could be offering testimony against a rival for the republican nomination. how do you think he looks at the politics of this? >> i believe mike pence did the right thing on january 6th and he will do the right thing with regard to a criminal probe regardless of medical consequences. any of the potential candidates that donald trump will face in 2024 understand full well what

that means. that means if you are someone that stands in donald trump's way, you will be called a name or be criticized or mocked, and all of those that are a potential 2020 for candidate are perceiving that. i don't see mike pence shying away from doing the right thing based on what could happen in 2024 and how donald trump would respond. donald trump has gone after ron desantis and glenn young and, in speaking with leaders on their teams, they will ignore him because republicans see every day with each passing day donald trump becomes increasingly irrelevant within the republican party. the best thing to do is to ignore him and look at issues moving forward to advance the country and advance the next peaceful transfer of power and put donald trump in the rearview mirror. >> gary, caitlin talked about

the possibility of the former president trying to exert executive privilege to keep the former vice president from testifying, how successful would that be? what would the impact of that be? keep in mind that mike pence's aides have ended up testify whatever executive privilege the former president wanted, it did not hold up. >> right. there are huge differences like you were describing between the congressional inquiries where so many aides have tried to assert executive privilege on behalf of the former president versus this criminal investigation that the justice department is conducting. while there can be stronger cases of executive privilege when you deal with two different branches, congress trying to get information as part of a legislative process versus the justice department which is part of the executive branch conducting a criminal investigation and using the

court system to facilitate that investigation, so there is a huge difference in terms of the ability to use executive privilege. the fact the former vice president has written some of the things he might talk about in an interview or testimony in his book would make arguments that would be made on behalf of the former president even harder because if he has communicated that information publicly, then if he were to receive a subpoena to testify and where to challenge it and use executive privilege, the fact that he has but some of the information in the public would make that an weaker case. that is not getting into the fact that executive privilege is the domain of the current president. >> bottom line is the justice department has gotten the testimony. it has taken more time than they would have liked, but they are getting what they want so far. alice, what about mike pence? what role do you think he wants in the republican party going forward? >> he wants to have a big part

in the party as he has. when donald trump was the nominee, mike pence was instrumental in galvanizing evangelicals behind donald trump and encouraging him with the justices and really go all in on the pro-life issue, and the issues important to social evangelicals, that is mike pence's calling card. whether he puts his hat in the ring for 2024 or advising someone else, he has a key role with keeping issues that are important to a big part of the republican party front and center. it will take someone with a temperament of mike pence to do what needs to be done with the republican party, threading the needle with keeping donald trump's base on board and broadening the tent to the republicans who are this effective due to donald trump extremism. republicans across the country, speaking with them since the

last election, donald trump extremism has expired and ready to turn the page. they need someone with a temperament of pants to keep trumps based on board but brought in the tent. whether it is pens or ron desantis or any number of people looking at 2024, that needs to happen. >> it will be interesting to see what happens with this possible testimony and when. carrie cordero and alice to work, thank you for being with us. happy thanksgiving. him next, a trauma surgeon on what she saw in the wake of the country's latest mass shooting overnight at a walmart in virginia. annual update on police efforts to solve the mysterious killings of four university of idaho students, and what a cold case expert in forensic scientist make about it. people remember commerercia with nostalgia. one prilosec otc each morning blocks heartburn all day and all night.

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make national headlines, there has been another. the grieving for one interrupted by the shock of the next. a colorado springs lgbtq club saturday night, last night, a woman in chesapeake, virginia and six more of our friends and neighbors gun. we learned all six worked at the store. lorenzo gamble, brian pendleton, kelly pyle, randall blevins, tanika johnson and a 16-year-old whose name has not been released because he is a minor. a trauma surgeon who treated the wounded first scene has diane gallagher with all we know about what happened.. >> they are a coward for that. you kill people that did nothing to you pick >> reporter: the shooting happened before the store closed for the night. this video was taken by employee kevin harper. he said the gunman was a store manager. >> just let after the break room

and started capping people. >> the manager came from around the corner. he never entered the break room but he stood in the doorway and opened fire. it was to anyone in the room. he looked at me and he shot near my head. it was inches away. there were people dropping to the floor. everybody was screaming and gasping. he just walked away after that. >> reporter: the chesapeake police chief set a timeline of how that unfolded. >> i would 911 dispatch center received a call at 10:12 p.m. last night. officers arrived on scene at 10:14 and entered the store approximately two minutes later at 10:16. nothing was declared safe by 11:20 p.m. >> reporter: police say the gunman was a 31-year-old manager on the overnight shift. he died on the scene from a self-inflicted gunshot when. he was armed with a handgun and multiple magazines authorities say. what remains unclear is why.

>> the investigation is ongoing. there is no clear motive. >> i knew, but i heard from the beginning that he was the one to watch out for. he was standoffish. he gave off loaner vibes. >> reporter: the city says two of the victims were found in the break room and three others that at the hospital. this woman's relative, who works at walmart, was injured in the shooting moments after he started his shift.. >> we received a phone call, while his wife received a phone call about 10:18 saying he had been shot. he had to clock in at 10:00. he was not even there 10 minutes. >> reporter: walmart said they are shocked by the tragedy and praying for those impacted, the community and associates. this is the second mass shooting in virginia in two weeks, something virginia governor glenn young can addressed today. >> this is a horrendous event. it is a horrendous and senseless act of violence.

>> diane gallagher joins us from the scene. you spoke with other survivors and employees about a possible motive the shooter might have had. what did they tell you? >> reporter: they seem just as perplexed and stressed out by what this may have done to anybody else. i spoke with survivors and i spoke with some of the employees that set the gunman came in and started shooting. he had a blank look on his face and said nothing at all. almost everyone we spoke with who worked at the walmart had dealings with the shooter and said he exhibited odd or threatening behavior in the past noting, according to one woman, he had been mean and condescending to the employees there. walmart said he was not a salary manager, but he was a overnight team supervisor. we talked to the employees that set they thought he relished in the power over them when they worked here. none of them expected what happened, not even 24 hours ago at this walmart. they said he

seemed strange and standoffish, but they never thought he would take lives. >> another tragedy. diane gallagher, thank you. perspective from dr. jessica burgess, one of the care surgeons who treated the incoming wounded. dr. burgess, thank you for joining. the patients who came to your hospital after the shooting, how are they doing? >> i can report out of the three patients here in the hospital, one was being discharged today and two remain in critical condition. >> that is a piece of good news being discharged. how much do they remember about what happened to them? have you had to tell them more details? >> i cannot go into a lot of details, but they are aware of what has happened and they know

what they have been through. >> can you walk us through what was going through your mind when the patient's for started arriving and you saw the full extent of what happened to them? >> sure. i was on a call, and my partner let us know we had a mass casualty incident with multiple occasions. at the time, we didn't know how many. we drove for this on a regular basis and we have casualties frequently. this is something we were prepared for. on my way into the hospital, i was calling other surgeons to be available in making sure we had available rooms and icu beds and pulling in any additional staff needed. >> i understand you reached out to one of your colleagues in colorado springs who had taken care of shooting victims there, did you ever think it would happen where you are days later? >> that was a sobering realization when i realized

what was happening. i had spoken with one of the surgeons in colorado springs. it is heartbreaking. we go through this all too often. even in norfolk, we have had multiple mass shooting's whether it was a beach or university party, and one of the local bars in downtown area, we have multiple mass shootings on a not too infrequent basis. i think everybody in a trauma surgeon in the u.s. knows it is not if you have a situation like this, it is when. >> not if, but when. i know you have experience of this, but how hard is it to separate the job what you have to do from letting the reality of what is happening sink in? >> i think in the moment and i

speak for myself as well as the outstanding team of nurses and respiratory therapists and anesthesiologists and tax we have working with us last night, and when we are in the moment and doing the work, we don't really think about that, and we go to work and do the best we can. this is the job we trained for in this is the job i love. there is no other place i would rather be than helping these people out in their time of need. once the dust settles, it takes a toll. with these great emotional highs from helping save a persons life coming drastic lows at times. it can be tough. telling a parent that their child will never come home for their loved one passed away when they arrived to the hospital, the memory of those family members reactions is forever burdened into your brain. there are amazing days where i love a job and there are days where i come home and hug my

kids and try not to let them see me cry. it can be a hard job at times. >> dr. jessica burgess, thank you for the work you do. i'm sorry you have to do that so frequently. >> thank you. i appreciate it. >> moore from kona springs in the murder of five people at a nightclub that was a anchor of the lgbtq community. today was the first court appearance for the alleged shooter's. nick watt is outside of the jury where it is being held. what happened in court today? >> reporter: the suspect sat slumped in the chair. he is wearing an orange jumpsuit and heavy bruising around the face. he was taken down in the club and a trans woman and officer kicked the suspect in the head repeatedly. the suspect did not say much. they were out renting their rights and no when asked if

they had any further questions. the lawyers for the suspect said the suspect identified as non-binary, uses the pronouns they/them. in court, the judge did not use they/them pronouns and the da was asked, is this non-binary status will have any impact? he said no impact on the investigation. no impact on the prosecution. the suspect is the defendant. today, we just have the arrest warrant charges, five counts of first-degree murder, five bias crimes, that is what they hate crimes, formal charges are expected december 6th. that is under two weeks from now. >> i understand you spoke to the neighbor of the shooter. what have you learned? >> reporter: this was not just a neighbor, this was a friend. the two of them bonded over videogames and spent hours playing together. they lived across the hall from each other.

he lives with his girlfriend and the suspect lived with his mom across the hallway up until september. xavier said the suspect that once, never, mentioned his non- binary status. they said the suspect would have outbursts that came from a place of anger. those outbursts were once directed at the gay community. the suspect said they hated gay people and describe a slur to describe gay people, but he said they were mainly toward other races. he said he is proud of his guns and show them off. he said it is not the guns, it is the people you have to be scared of. the conversation sat with him he said. >> that is interesting. nick watt, thank you very much. up next, new details in the investigation into the four murders of university of idaho students. we will tell you what we know and what remains unananswered. that is next.

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new details tonight with the investigation into the mysterious murders of four university of idaho students . idaho police today had a much awaited press conference laying out updates on the investigation. there is still no one in custody. chen is in moscow, idaho. also, what did police say today?

>> reporter: john, not a lot that is new information. that was frustrating for people in the room. we have heard from the victims families about wanting to know more about vague statements and little bits of details here in their. there was a little bit of new information including the fact that the man called several times from one of the victims phones in those early hours, he has been added to the list of people cleared as potential suspects. the police explained their process. behind the scenes, they are processing more than 100 pieces of evidence, they took 4000 photos. they are chasing after more than 1000 with and interviewed 150 people. they wanted to explain that to tell the public that they are making this a high priority, even if they cannot release a lot to the public. >> without a suspect in custody at this point, what are the plans for when students return from the holiday break? >> reporter: the university

president issued a statement to last night saying if they come back from thanksgiving, or when, they can finish up the rest of the semester remotely or in person. there are a couple of weeks left and we learned there will be a heavy police presence. this is a big shock for a college town of about 26,000 people. here is what captain roger lanier told the press. >> in some ways, this took our innocence. i would tell students that you need to stay with a friend, that the university staff is looking at different options to increase the safety on campus and providing certain options to students. going forward, there are a lot of things that we wish we would have done before, but we need to start doing now. >> reporter: one of the questions asked of him today, with, why can't they serve who

was targeted among the four people, or if it was all four of them? information like that could help relay fears in the community, but the answer to that was they could not say because they wanted to protect the integrity of the investigation. >> natasha chan, we thank you. perspective from forensic scientist professor college of criminal justice also retired cold case investigator paul holes is the host and has a real life nightmare. paul, you heard natasha's report that law enforcement officials are sitting through about 1000 tips and 150 interviews, but they still haven't named or arrested any suspects. where do you think they go from here? >> they have actually got multiple investigative processes underway, but these take time. even the forensics that the doctor will talk to. 103 items of evidence, that sounds like a lot. imagine one bedsheet that these victims was killed on contains

more than 100 bloodstains, and maybe one of those is from the offender. this takes time for the analyst to get through. going through all of the digital evidence, video surveillance, the cell tower dumps that they are going on, man hours, so they are getting to a point where i think they will start being able to narrow in after almost 2 weeks and potentially identify the offender, but it does take time. >> if the perpetrators dna is present at the crime scene, what is the timeline in terms of processing that? how long can it take? >> it takes time as you just heard. this is a bloody scene. four people that were murdered brutally with multiple stab wounds for each individual. this is a difficult seem to work up, even for forensic

scientist who are experienced with bloody scenes. there are a hell of a lot of murder cases in the city of moscow. when you something like this with quadruple homicide, people are frightened and they want action. it is like television. you turn it on, 60 minutes later, you have the crimes of, that is not how it is. you have different forensic experts working this case. there a fingerprint people, evidence people, there are people with dna analysis, and don't forget you have the autopsy, which is a important piece of information. out of the autopsy, what we learned is that the murder weapon was probably a military style knife, whether it is a raided or not comes out in the autopsy, or has a straight edge, that comes out in the autopsy. the width of the blade comes out in the autopsy. there is a lot of information that we have gathered already

that is not being revealed. we don't know all of the details yet. it will take a lot of time and a lot of information finding the point of entry is important. there are not a lot of possible points of entry. at that point, you have to look for all kinds of evidence that might reveal the name of the person who did this. there are only really two kinds of forensic evidence that can turn up the suspect instantly, and that his fingerprints and dna analysis. you are asking the right question. dna and fingerprints can do it. sometimes, this takes time. >> paul, if neither dna nor fingerprints do it, if it does not show up in any database anywhere, then what? >> then, they have a long haul to go because now, you are relying on other investigative tactics. we have the world of high tech. it is looking at the victims

devices. it is hoping that the offender carried a smart device that has his location services turned on and potentially getting information as to what devices were at the crime scene at the time that the attack occurred could be critical. it is going through video surveillance. now, you have to expand out because the longer this case goes on and they don't identify the offender, it ends up being more likely that the offender is an actual stranger with no prior interaction with the victims and it becomes very hard at that point. now, you are casting a much wider net. this investigation turns into a marathon more than a sprint. >> which is the last thing they want to hear in the community, particularly with people coming back from the holiday break. it has to be a scary time to be a student there.

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at least seven were killed today in ukraine after a number rise of russian missiles temporary locked knocked down to the country. fatalities according to ukraine's first lady include a two-day-old infant after a missile struck a maternity word. ukrainian armed forces say russia for 70 missiles, 51 were intercepted along with five attack. today, the white house said the attacks do not serve a military purpose. a top official with the a w.h.o. said the lack of electricity this winter could put the lives of millions under massive threat.

despite the misery, many in ukraine are grateful for their freedom tonight. timothy mireles is a british- american teacher. he was trapped in her son from the time of the russian invasion last february. he basically lived behind enemy lines for eight months in an occupied city until their son was liberated last month. i spoke to him earlier. when the war first started in february, what with your thinking then? did you try to leave? >> well, yes. the first day, i was woken up at 5:30 with an sms asking where i was. it was my ex-wife. i think they said the russians have been invaded. the first day, my ex-wife, my daughter, and 10-year-old daughter was there at the time trying to go quickly. the petrol stations were

inundated. lines with two or three lines long with cars. we headed on the way out and the road that connects to the bridge, basically one way out, there were things going on. we physically saw tanks moving back and forth fighting each other and understood maybe adults could take the chance, but certainly not. there were kids on board, so we decided not to leave. >> what a time it has been ever since. what was it like during those tough periods to hear sirens and explosions day after day? >> one of the things interesting, several contacts here who previously lived in

kherson , and it is not just me who feel this way, the people left in kherson were more upset, not more upset, but more unnerved, went for a couple of weeks without the explosions which happens in september or october, we would like to hear the sound of that blowing up. from the early days when you hear explosions going on, it was unnerving, we learned and anticipate, wait for, love the sound going off. >> what was it like to be in kherson when it was liberated? >> we had gone approximately 10 days without electricity or water.

there were no mobile phones. the first two days were very difficult, but people adjust to situations. i would spend my afternoons, while it was light, looking out my window. it was one of those afternoons that i was sitting and looking out the window, and a car drove down the street and it had two ukrainian flags flapping from the windows on the side of the car, and i was thinking it was somebody being brave, we had not seen russians, but a minute and a half later, a pickup truck came down the street with a bunch of people in the bed with a enormous ukrainian flag. they were honking, shouting,

and cheering. the floodgates down the street came. there was a lot of cars honking and a lot of screaming and flags flying. i was like okay, all right. i walked down to the central, the epicenter of kherson , and everybody was cheering, and everybody was happy in carrying their flags. some of the flags were brand- new. some of the flags were dirty from people who had buried there flags having trouble with the russians, and they got to the sensor probably about five to 10 minutes later, the first military truck showed up with the crowd going wild.

>> what a time. timothy, i'm so glad you are safe. i wish you a very peaceful winter. >> me too. >> thank you for being with us. >> thank you very much. nice to talk to you. bye-bye. still to come tonight, the water crisis in arizona's largest county has seen as lucy cavanaugh's discovered the large green in the urban areas that only masked growing mega drought in the region. so ben is feeling pretty zen.. thatat's the planning effect from fidelity

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a mega-drought is hitting arizona. it has seen the colorado river plummet to record lows. cnn's lucy kavanaugh reporting the impact is everywhere from farming to flushing ai toilet. >> reporter: this picture perfect but parched area of

arizona, sprawling ranches about an hour's drive from downtown phoenix. >> this is a 5,000 gallon water tank. >> reporter: karen loved her slice of paradise until it began to run dry. neighbor's wells have begun to dry up. others harvesting rain water as an extra buffer. >> this is the stock pile that's about to go into the house to be used to flush our toilets. >> reporter: many homeowners rely on private deliveries from nearby scottsdale, which no longer has enough to spare. last november, scottsdale informed water hauling companies that starting in 2023, they could no longer buy scottsdale water to deliver outside city limits, including the foothills. the man delivering the water and more recently the bad news is this man. >> there's no question about it, the drought is reality. rio verde is the first domino to fall because of the drought we're in. >> reporter: are people taking

it seriously enough? >> they're not. water is more precious than you realize. and once you go to your faucet and you turn it on and there's no water, then its value becomes real. >> reporter: across swaths of urban arizona, signs of drought aren't immediately obvious. as the taps run dry, developers keep building. >> this is a symbol of the massacre of maricopa county. >> reporter: maricopa county is the fastest-growing in the nation, adding more residents last year than any other county. but as cities boom, the drought pushes arizona farmers to the brink. >> thanks to colorado river, this county is -- or at least was -- one of the most productive farming regions in the united states. the crops grown here are shipped all over the country. but as the megadrought continues to worsen and water supplies dry up, farmers here fear their fertile fields could become desert again. >> we lost all of our water. >> reporter: for three generations, this man's family

has tilled the soil in this county an hour south of phoenix. >> we're looking at where i grew corn last year. but we didn't have enough water, so the field sits empty. 50% of my farm is fouling out. >> and that's a big economic hit. >> do you fear that the future of farming in arizona is under threat? >> yeah. no one can produce it like the colorado river can for food. so, yeah, i'm really worried. 50 years down the road, unless we come up with solutions, farming won't be here. >> reporter: to survive, he is placing his hope on a new crop. >> we're look at a plant called -- >> reporter: a drought resistance shrub that produces rubber for tires while using a fraction of the water. but he wants politicians to listen up. >> people just keep saying, we'll pump some water. what happens in 50 years? what happens to people's kids and grand kids? and where does all the food come? just kicking the can down the

road and hoping for the best is what everyone seems to be doing. i don't think it's a path for success. >> reporter: back in the foothills, residents see their plight as a warning to others. >> america, wake up for the folks that are sitting there and surrounded by water and have great wells and other states and that kind of thing. don't think you're not going to be affected. >> cnn, arizona. and we'll be right back. together. it worked! happy holidays from lexus. ♪ movies are dreams that you never forget. you wanna make movies. yes sir, i do. you mr. director, go do what ya gotta. i believe in you.

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