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the news continues so let's hand it over to kasie hunt thank you so. i'm kasie hunt, and this is "cnn tonight". thanksgiving eve, and here we are again covering another mass shooting in america. it's heartbreaking that more americans are grieving loved ones taken away by gun violence. six were murdered. we now know the identities of five of them, lorenzo gamble, brian pendleton, kendall pile, ryan blevins, and tamika jen son. the sixth is a 16-year-old male. andre bing is the suspect. this is video of bing recorded by a former walmart worker. police believe bing took his own life. bing exhibited odd and threatening behavior in the past. here is one harrowing account

from someone who miraculously survived the attack. >> hands like that and at first it didn't even look real. it didn't register as real. it -- the only thing that made it real was the vibrations hitting your chest and the ringing from the gun going off. and it just kept going and going and going. i got under the table, the sound of the droplets, it replays and replays and replays and replays of how much blood was coming off the different chairs. it was making a rhythm and it was one of the most disturbing things i have -- i will never

let go of that. >> how could you let go of that? dozens were inside walmart when bullets started flying. police say the shooter had a pistol. this customer described what he was witnessing in real time on social media. >> that is a body of a person they just brought out in a shopping cart. >> i can't tell. it really looks like there are at least three or four people, bodies, on the ground. >> this was the second mass shooting in virginia in two weeks. three uva football players were killed on campus november 13th, something governor glenn youngkin referred to earlier. but he didn't refer to them as acts of gun violence. >> one of the things the first lady and i along with the

lieutenant governor and the attorney general and the general assembly, have been focused on taking up is this mental health crisis that we see ourselves in today. >> young kin, as you saw there, just said it was america's mental health crisis that needed to be addressed. president biden, however, called for more congressional action on guns today, as he did after the attack in colorado saturday. that suspect, accused of shooting up an lgbtq night club. they appeared in court today for the first time by a video link from jail. he remains held without bond. a neighbor of aldrich tells cnn the suspect was proud of all the weapons they owned. and that is where we begin tonight, with another conversation about weapons in america, a subject that deeply divides our country. with us, cnn political analyst kirsten powers, also steven ka tow ski, founder of the reload, and former rnc communications

director, doug heye. thank you all for being here tonight. it is really depressing that we are sitting here on the day before thanksgiving, and this is the conversation that we are having yet again in this country. and, you know, doug, i just -- it's-- it gets to the point you want to look away because living in it is so hard. there's five more families who have somebody not going to sit down at the thanksgiving table. are we sofa teagued about this that nothing can ever be done? >> i think desensitization is something we're going through right now. it happens so often, and so many other things happened, that we lose track of which happened at which time to which person. it makes it harder for there to be action. we had legislation earlier this year, which was hard to get done. and a lot of people didn't think it would. the one thing we see in all of these cases is we talk about how somebody fell through the

cracks. and clearly there are too many cracks and they need to be fixed. >> steven, you run a publication that really focuses on gun policies, gun rights in america. i commend it to people who are interested in looking at this in a series way, as we as a country try to grapple with what this means. obviously -- and i think you've pointed this out -- there are differences among -- different reasons why any of these people ended up in possession of firearms. but at the same time, it seems hard to argue, this doesn't happen in other countries, other well-off countries across the globe. why does it happen here? >> i mean, i think that's a very valid question as far as the frequency of these sorts of attacks in the united states in the last couple of decades. this was not a common issue necessarily, these individuals going out and killing a lot of people decades ago in the united states. something is -- has changed, perhaps culturally or otherwise

to lead to what we see now. you know, there hasn't been necessarily a huge uptick in the number of public mass killings with a gun over the last -- according to the associated press' tracker. certainly there's a difference between america and a lot of other developed countries in terms of general levels of gun -- violence overall as well. there's significance differences. i think there's a lot of factors that go into it. >> is it access to guns or is it a cultural thing that has to do with more than just the weapons that people are -- you know, there does seem to be -- i mean, i understand that this very much divides people, including a lot of people who read your publication who are on the side of allowing these weapons to be legal. but the reason you can kill so many people so fast, for example, the colorado shooting, is because people here have access to assault weapons. >> i think it's combination of access to guns for certain people, who often times in these

situations have exhibited tendencies towards violence. or in the colorado springs shooter's case, committed what seemed to be felonies, which should have been prosecuted and made them ineligible to own firearms for life had the shooter been convicted. >> had they followed through. >> yeah. and you do see that quite often in these situations. i think it's important to look at them as individual situations if you're trying to find a policy solution to the shootings because while the outcome is horrific in all of these situations, the details are rather different. colorado springs was somebody who probably should have been prevented from owning guns based on his criminal history, what he had done with the bomb threat and threatening his mother. he used an ar-15 and a hand gun. whereas in the walmart shooting, we don't know yet the background of that attacker. >> right. >> and he used a hand gun.

both states had red flag laws, but they weren't implemented. we don't know exactly why -- for either situation. both had universal background checks. neither had a ban on ar-15s. there's a lot that goes into the details of these situations if you're trying to come up with a policy solution to solve these issues. >> right. but i think kirsten, as the democrat on the table, but as someone who has -- who understands and has focused on campaigns and in areas where second amendment rights are not always a cut and dry issue, i mean, people are just sick of this. people are so sick of this. and there's no will to change it beyond -- i mean, obviously, as doug noted, a push with republicans in the senate to make some changes in the wake of the uvalde shooting. is there a policy out there that can change what is happening in america? >> one of the things that have

changed in the last couple of decade ss the assault weapons ban expired. and that is something republicans have opposed when the democrats have brought it up before. i don't have any trouble saying that the problem is the guns. so, you know, mentally unwell people exist everywhere. and another big difference between the united states and other countries is they actually have services for mentally unwell people. and this is another thing that republicans always bring up whenever there's a mass shooting but never have anything to say about any other time of the year while democrats are trying to pass bills to expand mental health services, whether it's through expanding medicaid, whether it's through obamacare, whether it's through specific mental health services, republicans are opposing them. so, to sit here and act like there's nothing we can do, there are so many things we could do. i grew up in a house in alaska with dozens of guns. so, it's not as though i don't understand guns or i didn't grow up around people -- i mean,

everybody i knew had a gun, right? everybody hunted. and most of those people -- i mean, if my father was still alive and he was sitting here, he would say, get rid of the high-powered weapons. they're mowing down people. that's what he would say. it's not -- there is no need for this. and when i was growing up, we had shotguns. you know, that's what people used. now suddenly everybody thinks they have to be rambo, they have some constitutional right to be rambo. constitutional rights have limits. they just do. you can't yell "fire" in a crowded room. and the idea that we could never limit this because people want to have it because they like to go to the range and shoot it while children are getting gunned down, i'm sorry, i just -- i can't accept that. >> very briefly. >> i just think that the shootings and mass killings we've seen over the past week show that it's not just about -- >> it's just the past week. i mean, this is like a game you guys play. i mean, come on -- you actually

sit here and say to me that mass shootings, there's no connection to mass shootings and the fact that somebody doesn't have to reload the gun that they're using? >> colorado has a ban on -- >> right because the guns weren't allowed to -- people weren't allowed to own these guns, then people didn't have access to these guns, these shootings would not -- >> well, and i think that number, 2006, that you raised, i think underscores that. there was a before and after for when the assault weapons ban expired. and we saw marked change in the wake of that. steven, thank you very much for bringing your expertise to the table. kirsten and doug are going to stick around. ahead, mike pence won't cooperate with the january 6th committee, but will the former vice president testify in the criminal investigation into the capitol attack. the feds are asking. a prediction from mick mulvaney next. contestants ready? go!

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prosecutors at the department of justice want to hear from former vice president mike pence. the doj has reached out to pence's team. they want him to testify as part of the january 6th criminal probe. a source tells cnn that pence is open to testifying at least to some extent. we know the former vp has refused to talk to the house select committee investigating the same thing. but it appears the distinction between a legislative investigation and a criminal one could make a real difference for pence. in quite a few recent media appearances and meetings with republican donors, pence has tried to thread the needle, criticizing the events of january 6th, while trying to maintain some support from former president trump's base. testifying may make that even harder, given how much the former president has portrayed cooperation with the doj as a litmus test for loyalty. my next guest knows what loyalty to trump means in this republican party.

former acting white house chief of staff, mick mulvaney, thanks so much for joining me, sir. >> thanks, kasie. >> so, how do you think the former vice president cooperating with a special counsel -- i mean, how does that change the potential 2024 landscape from a political perspective? and does it change the criminal landscape for the former president? >> two different questions. i think it does change the criminal landscape a little bit. mike pence is a very credible guy. there's no question about it. and in your introduction, you hit the nail right on the head. he does see a difference between the january 6th committee, a legislative, short of a political show trial, and the investigation, the criminal investigation by the department of justice. mike would take that type of inquiry extraordinarily seriously. so, it would not surprise me. i'm reading some of the same thngs you are, that he's indicating that he's going to testify or is willing to at least talk to the department of justice. that would change things, i think, for donald trump criminally just because mike pence, again, on the very, very inside talking to the president

on the day of the riots. again, i don't know if there's any evidence yet the president did anything criminal on that particular day, but if there is, mike pence might be the source of some of that evidence. so, it's a big deal, i think, for the vice president of the united states to talk to the department of justice about the former president of the united states. and does it change the political landscape? probably not. you know, mike is going to -- threading is needle is absolutely right. and he's going to have a difficult time sort of trying to appeal to the trump base and separate himself from donald trump. i don't think it changes the politic, but it may change the investigation. >> democrats are going to get hold of the former president's taxes. we learned that from the supreme court this week. i want to show people what you said while you were acting chief of staff in the white house. watch. >> to be clear, you believe democrats will never see the president's tax returns. >> oh, no, never. nor should they. keep in mind, that's an issue

that was already litigated during the election. voters knew the president could have given his tax returns. they knew he didn't. and they elected him anyway. >> so, what do you say now? the supreme court, which of course concludes several donald trump nominees unanimously said treasury, hand them over. >> yeah, and i haven't read the opinion, so i don't have the insight -- >> it's two lines long. you don't need to read anything really. they basically said, sorry, you don't have an argument. treasury, hand them over. >> and i do think that's the wrong decision. keep in mind, the only reason congress is entitled to get that type of thing is in its law-making capacity. it is not an investigating body regularly. it can do oversight. the reason it collects information is for the purposes of making law. and i guessed they convinced the supreme court that that's what this was, even though to the casual observer and even non-casual observer from the outside, it looks like it's part of a political investigation, not a legislative investigation. not the first time i've been wrong. will it provide -- i have no

idea what's in the tax returns. nobody does other than trump and his team. will it provide probably a wealth of information that democrats can use against donald trump politically? absolutely. my guess is that's why trump didn't want to turn it over in the first place. >> yeah, i know. that does make sense. you have said that you want someone else to be the republican nominee in 2024. but is there realistically right now anyone out there that you think is setting the stage to actually be able to beat them in a nominating contest? >> sure. i think a bunch of folks could beat him head-to-head. i think ron desantis could beat him head-to-head. i think tim scott could beat him head-to-head. if donald trump pulls 35%, he's going to lose in a head-to-head race. if i run against you and i get 35%, i'm going to lose. if i run against you and everybody else in the studio, i'm going to win with my 35%. and primaries are basically winner take all. so, in a head-to-head competition, i do think he can be beat. but in a five-on-one, a

six-on-one type of race, which is the way it's shaking out, i think he's the presumptive republican nominee. and i think he loses in 2024 because he makes it a referendum on himself. it's not donald trump versus joe biden or whomever. it's not republican versus donald trump. it's donald trump versus donald trump. and one of the people that can beat donald trump is donald trump. that's exactly what happened in 2020. s what's your maejs sa to all these republicans who seem to eager to jump into the race and make this a very large field that, as you point out, gives donald trump potentially the strategic advantage that he needs to become the nominee? do they need to check their egos, put it aside, and get out of the way to make -- to pick somebody else? >> yeah, i mean, there's no united anti-trump front in the republican party, nor should there be. if folks want to run and think they have a chance to run, they should run. my advice to them would be define yourself. don't go in as a pro-trump candidate that sort of

criticizes him on january 6th. don't go in as an anti-trump candidate. go in as your own man or own woman. take donald trump on head to head as you being you, not as you trying to define yourself in terms of donald trump. i do think there's a couple of candidates who can do that, desantis being one of them. >> are you ready to personally jump on board with any one of the former colleagues of yours or people you're hearing from? are you ready to say, i'll support you, ron desantis, in the primary? >> i'm in an unusual position. i work with a lot of these people. ron desantis was in the house with me. mike pence and i served together. so, no, they're all friends of mine. i wish them very well if they decide to run. my guess is every single one of those people i just mentioned will either give a real serious look to running or in fact run. so, it's going to be probably again just like it was in 2016,

a very crowded republican field. >> before i let you go, i've got to ask you about what's up next for kevin mccarthy because you obviously founding member of the freedom caucus, y'all basically ran john bainer out of washington. now, mccarthy is facing a situation where at least four or five of his members have said they don't want to vote for him to be speaker. we are looking toly at a very challenging period for him to even get the gavel, let alone actually govern the country. do you think mccarthy's going to be speaker of the house? and can he manage the conference if he does? >> yes and yes. the second yes is a little bit more difficult because managing that group is going to be difficult. but keep in mind it's a little bit different than it was in 2015, i think, when john bainer left. because we knew in the freedom caucus that there were other people who could effectively be the speaker. we thought kevin mccarthy was one of those people at the time. it turned out that wasn't the case. we knew paul ryan was a

candidate. and believe it or not, this doesn't get a lot of attention, tray gowdy had the votes to be speaker as well if he chose to run. i'm not sure there's anybody else in the house that could get the votes. right now a slim margin. let's say a five-vote margin. any group of six house members could prevent kevin mccarthy from being speaker. by the same token, kevin mccarthy and five other of his friends could prevent anybody else from being speaker. that's the dynamic lost on a lot of people. do i think kevin is going to be the speaker? yes because i think he's the only one who could get 218 votes. will he have to give up a lot to the maga wing of the party to the freedom caucus? yes, he will. but i do think he will be speaker and as effective as anybody else will be in very trying times in the house. >> we're about to find out. mick mulvaney, thank you very much for your time tonight, sir. really appreciate it. >> thanks, kasie. happy thanksgiving. >> you too. and coming up, even more controversies surrounding georgia u.s. senate candidate

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ever since herschel walker launched his u.s. senate campaign in georgia, he has faced accusations of being a

carpetbagger. sure, walker was born and raised in the peach state. and we have to note he was a heisman trophy winning georgia bulldog, which is probably the most important thing to voters in this kind of bucket, but critics have pointed out that he has lived in texas for the past two decades. now, less than two weeks out from an election that will decide whether democrats get a firmer grip on power in the senate, there are new revelations tonight that may back those accusations up. according to records recovered, the former football star is set to get a tax break on his texas home, a tax break that is reportedly valued at $3 million, a tax break that is only reserved for texas residents. now, while this raises some legal questions, clearly about whether he's following texas tax law, walker's problem in this moment may be the political fallout just 13 days out from the runoff. kirsten powers and doug heye are back with me. i want to welcome jackie to the conversation. doug, you are the republican

sitting at this table. does this matter? how bad is this? >> yes and no. the homestead exemption is something so many have gone through. when i worked for richard burr in 2005, it was panic time for us until we realized about 15 others were at the same time, including ted kennedy. >> he's not a senator yet. he doesn't live in d.c. yet. >> that's part of the problem. >> he says he lives in georgia. i want to correct what we just said. the house is worth $3 million, not the taxes. continue. >> this gets to why it's a problem. it speaks to something he has a problem with voters with. is it going to change anybody's mind? no. bit sure causes a distrangs for a kcandidate that doesn't need more distractions. >> perhaps it would have more of an impact. there's so much to unpack between abuse allegations, allegations of paying for abortions, all of the things that herschel walker has dealt

with this entire campaign. it is a fairness issue when we talk about a tax exemption that you may or may not, should or should not be getting. but at this stage of the game where the margins are going to be so thin, i do wonder if that's going to move the needle. >> kirsten, i mean, if you're the -- if you're running the walker campaign or the warnock campaign, who would you rather be right now? because i mean to jackie's point, this is one thing of many that has dogged herschel walker's campaign to he ran far beyond the gubernatorial candidate brian kemp. if he kept up with the election, he would be the senate-elect right now. when you're talk about a turnout based election where people are like, really, again, maybe that analysis is off. >> no, i think that's right. i think the biggest issue is, does this depress turn out is one question. we don't know the answer until

after people vote. it's not going to enthuse people. it's not going to lead people who are already not really sure and then this. just kind of adds to the list of things that makes them not excited. so, you're not going to have the republicans that were turning out to vote for kemp turning out necessarily for a special election, right? they're not -- you have to be pretty enthusiastic to be voting in a special election. so, i think that it's just another data point against him. and that's not what he needs right now. >> kemp himself has just found an enthusiasm after not having so much. >> oh, my gosh. look at that. >> after not having campaigned with him the entire 2022 election. >> i was going to ask about that too, doug. i don't know if we have any of the pictures -- i was amused there was a fox news interview that had walker, cruz, and lindsey graham in a three box together. as someone who works on television, it can be awkward to be in a two box, let alone -- there it is.

cruz is talking. he's sitting there in the middle. >> is this -- what's the strategy for cruz and graham here to go down? i get they're trying to do what they can to help them win. but, i mean, is this -- what's the plan here? >> this is a whole lot of republican senate conference, internal politicking. we've seen this play out with the nrfc, sometimes fighting with team mcconnell. everybody wants to be next to herschel to demonstrate, we're doing what we can to build this, if not majority, at least save it to get from getting to 51, where democrats will have a lot more leverage. >> it's all about appearances. >> it seems like the message they're sending is, don't worry. he's just going to do what we say. we're always by his side. we never leave his side to the point -- who has ever done this. what person running for the senate has ever sat chaperoned on television. >> i cannot recall seeing it

before. >> to doug's point -- >> graham and cruz and their positioning within the republican congress, as who is doing the most to try to haul herschel walker over the finishline. >> the goal post, if you will. >> the goal post, if you will. >> it does demonstrate to kirsten's point, the challenge, the unique challenges of herschel walker's candidacy. we saw him talking, but let's listen to the argument that he's making for why georgia voters should make a point to get out and vote for walker in the runoff. >> chuck schumer has told you he doesn't want herschel walker to win. he doesn't want a 50/50 senate. why is that? because in a 50/50 senate, the committees are even, which slows him down. if raphael warnock wins, schumer can expedite, confirming radical judges to take away your free speech rights, you religious

liberty rights, your second amendment rights. >> what he's talking about and doug alluded to this is there's a significant difference between a 50/50 senate, where the parties have to figure out how to make key decisions. and a 51/49 senate where democrats don't have to bother working with republicans on any of that. kirsten, this is the argument that we're hearing from republicans. and i think we're going to hear it throughout 2024, is talking about your individual rights. and democrats, i think, actually did -- the results of the midterm showed they did a good job flipping that argument on its head. it's republicans who want to take that away. is that what this is about at the end of the day? >> well, i mean, i think if you supported individual rights, you would support women's right to control their bodies. that seems pretty basic. i don't think it's a great argument, the idea that democrats are trying to take away your individual rights, when they're the ones that are out making sure that women can make decisions about literally what happens to their own body and not be barred from going to

another state or told what kind of medications they can receive in the mail. so, you know, i think that that's -- i just don't think that that's an argument that's going to resonate with anybody outside of the people that are already voting for republicans. >> abortion, as we know, has played a significant role across the country, in the case in particular. all right, kirsten powers, doug heye, thank you guys all for being here on this thanksgiving eve, i especially appreciate your time. meanwhile, taylor swift is furious at ticketmaster. she is not alone. i'm pretty sure all the rest of us are also after the debacle over fans trying to buy seats for her new concert tour. i've got a member of congress here who will not shake it off when talking about whether the behemoth of ticket sales deserves a break up. that's next.

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taylor swift struggles with herself in the lead single to her new album. ♪ it's me, hi ♪ ♪ i'm the problem, it's me ♪ >> even though she's got the number one album in the country, she has new bad blood. after all the same singer who accuses congressmen of covert narcissism has them lining up to

join her to fight against ticketmaster. hold a hearing and the department of justice is investigating after the debacle that was swift's concert ticket sales last week. between site crashes, people waiting online for hours, and absolutely outrageous prices, swifties are demanding a hard look at the 2010 merger between ticketmaster and live nation. that includes david cicilline. congressman, thank you so much for being with us tonight. >> my pleasure. good to see you. >> good to see you too. it's an unusual topic, but 50 members of the house did send the doj a letter way back in 2010. they said live nation and ticketmaster never ever, ever should have gotten together in the first place. but the department at the time approved the merger anyway. why do you think pressure from congress could have a different affect this time? >> you are absolutely right. the merger should never have happened. in fact, we wrote back in april

of last year, asking the department of justice and the federal trade commission to look again at this transaction. taken together, live nation and ticketmaster control over 80% of the tickets in large venues across the country. it's a monopoly. and what it has produced is what monopolies always produce, higher prices, less quality experience for consumers, less compensation for artists. the department of justice has to look at this transaction and look at the consent decree that was entered into after the transaction to impose additional provisions to restore conditions. if they can't do that, they'll look at unwinding the transition because it should never have happened in the first place. >> the reality too though is the complaints didn't start with the swifties. what's the difference here between this artist, this fan base -- i guess it's just blown up so enormously. what do you think is the difference between now and when

there have been problems with other artists. >> there have been a number of examples where this merger has produced terrible consumer experiences, much higher prices, degraded the quality of the consumer experience and also less compensation with artists. adele was another big concert where that happened. there have been many examples. this is a problem all throughout our economy. when you have this concentration of the market, they become monopolist, or near monopolist, and they don't have any incentive to innovate. they don't have any incentive to worry about doing things well, to compete successfully, and they also can increase prices. there's a reason that monopolies are bad for consumers and workers are accommodating, why competition is so important. and the absence of competition produces results that we've seen time and again with this merger. and it's occurring really all throughout the economy. we're seeing more and more consolidation in health care, agriculture, tech. it's good that we have a

president now that is the most pro-competition president in my lifetime and he has great people in his administration who have been really strong advocates, obviously strong competition policy. but we need to see action. this is the most recent example of that kind of concentration. >> we did see an example of the difference you point to in the recent -- the decision not to allow the two major publishing houses to merge. but back in 2019, you mentioned that consent decree, which of course sets the rules for how these companies have to merge. in 2019, doj found that live nation, the overall company, broke the rules of the merger. but they didn't really do anything about it. they just extended rules that were already in place. now, live nation claims that they follow them now. why did they not -- why did they kind of punt it back in 2019? and are you confident that doj will act differently this time? >> i am confident that doj will act differently this time,

mostly because of the leadership of the president. but, look, we didn't have great antitrust enforcement both in republican and democratic administrations for a very long time. and, you know, as a result, we've seen tremendous concentration in our economy. we've seen mergers like this one, which should never have happened. you think that time is over. we have a president who understands what the impact of this kind of concentration is on working families on our economy. we have members of the administration who have a life-time commitment to this work. so, i think we're in a very different place. the congress of the united states, my committee and the house, senator klobuchar's committee in the senate. so, anti-trust is back, congress is going to continue to play a much bigger role. i think we have an administration that is prepared to really do all that is necessary to restore competition not only here but all throughout our economy. and i think that's what's different today than it was maybe five or ten years ago. >> all right. congr

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as we head into this holiday season we wanted to cap off tonight with a bit of what brings us together in america. thanksgiving can stir up some nerves about our differences political or otherwise as we gather around the communal table, but our next guest says he relishes in the sharing of cultures that can be brought out by the holiday. with me now is marcus samuelson. thank you for being with us tonight. >> thank you for having me. i just brined a turkey with my son and we're ready to go tomorrow. >> that's great. my husband actually did ours last night and was turning it with my son today. you were born in ethiopia and adopted by swedish parents. then you moved to the united states and you talk publicly so often about how important it is to share and celebrate different

cultures and how important that's been in your personal and professional life. how does that define what thanksgiving means to you, and what bigger message does it send in these divided times? >> first of all, i love thanksgiving. i think it's an amazing holiday, you know, because it's truly for everyone and we all need a moment to actually give thanks and cook and eat and sit around the dinner table and hopefully enjoy it and laugh a little bit, right? because it's stressful and we just came out of the pandemic and coming out of the pandemic and so on. so it's really tough times out there for a lot of people, for a lot of us. i just feel for mental health and thanksgiving, enjoying each other is super important. and then it's also an opportunity to celebrate your country. one of the most beautiful things in america is we are so multicultural, right? on my thanksgiving table

tomorrow yes there will be turkey but also some wonderful -- from ethiopia and it's an opportunity to really celebrate your culture. >> yeah, no, and to share food traditions and have other people bring things to the table that's different. i mean, i actually feel we here in washington, d.c. we have such a rich cultured oath yoepian food because there's so many people. that's not something i was ever exposed to as a child but something i eat regularly now, which i really enjoy. here's one of the challenges in these tense times. a lot of people are finding it really hard to afford to buy the food that they need for a big thanksgiving feast at home. and in fact some people are deciding to go to restaurants for the big meal is what we understand because i mean just look at that, 24% the turkey prices are way up. restaurant inflation has been a little bit lower than some of these groceries. are you expecting more traffic

at your restaurants? you've been an activist for a long time against hunger and food insecurity. what's your take on this? >> well, it is very difficult times and, you know, the hospitality, most of our chef friends all participate in different charities in terms of turkey giveaways and so on. my new restaurant is prand new and decided to close for thanksgiving because i wanted to give the staff a chance to actually be with their families. at red rooster we're open and fully booked. and yes, it is tough times but i do think a moment like this on thanksgiving whether you're at home, whether you're at a friends house, whether you go to a restaurant, it is a moment where we can give thanks because we all have something we're grateful for. of course pricing has hit restaurants as well, and we're going through it. but i do think this is one of these days that we should enjoy

it whether you want to watch the world cup or you're going to watch american football. >> yeah, you know, it is an interesting cultural choice this year what we're going to watch on tv. i know historically we always -- i've got family from detroit so we typically watch the lions lose, but we know you're a soccer fan. i assume you're going to be watching the world cup. who are you rooting for? i mean team usa over here, i mean that's all friday. >> i'm very impressed you know so much ethiopian food. >> it's my absolute favorite. >> it's great. i'm definitely going to watch the world cup. the american team did great. i thought they almost won the game, but i'm very excited about

it. and then i think brazil is the team to beat. but world cup is always a bunch of upsets. isn't it great when japan beats germany or you have saudi arabia beating argentina with the great lionel messi. this year we're going to do it by eating turkey. isn't that fantastic? >> i guess it's fitting the u.s. mens team is actually in the world cup this year. but anyway -- well, chef marcus samuelson, thank you so much for being with us tonight and sharing a bit of the warmth and joy that you bring to celebrating this tradition. >> thank you. and happy thanksgiving to you and your family. >> happy thanksgiving to you and yours as well. we will be right back.

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