-- >> six were murdered, four people were injured at walmart last night in chesapeake, virginia. we now know the identities of five of them. -- kelly pile, randall blah vents, and tanika johnson. -- a 16-year-old male. 16 years old. police say the gunman was 31-year-old employee andré being, and overnight shift team leader. this is video of him from 2016, reported by a former walmart worker. police believe he took his own life and was dead upon their arrival. coworkers say he exhibited odd and threatening behavior in the past. here's one harrowing account

from someone who miraculously survived the attack. >> he's got his hands like that, and at first, it didn't even look real. it didn't register as real. the only thing that made it real was the vibrations hitting your chest, and the ringing from the gun going off. and it just kept going and going and going. and i got under the table, the sound of the droplets, it replays and replays and replays. that's how much blood was coming off the different chairs. it was making a rhythm, and it was one of the most disturbing things. i think i'll never let go of that.

>> how could you let go of it? dozens were inside walmart when bullets started flying. police say that the shooter had a pistol. this customer described what he was witnessing in realtime on social media. >> there was a body of a person they just brought out in a shopping cart. i can't tell. it really looks like there are at least three or four people on the ground. >> this was the second mass shooting in virginia in three weeks. -- football players killed on campus november 13th. something glenn youngkin noted earlier. the republican didn't refer to them as acts of gun violence. >> one of the things that the

first lady and i, along with the lieutenant governor and the attorney general, and the general assembly have been focused on taking up, is this mental health crisis that we see ourselves in today. >> youngkin, as you saw there, just said it was americas mental health crisis that needed to be addressed. president biden, however, called for more congressional action on guns today, as he did after the attack in colorado saturday. that suspect, accused of shooting up an lgbtq nightclub. they appeared in court today for the first time, via video link from jail. anderson lee aldridge remains held without bond. a neighbor of aldridge told cnn the suspect was proud of all the weapons they owned. and that is where we start tonight, with another conversation about weapons in america. a subject that deeply divides our country. with us, cnn senior political analyst, kirsten powers. also, stephen --, founder of the reload, a publication that focuses on gun policy and politics in america, and former rnc communications director

doug heye. thank you for being here tonight. it's really depressing that we're sitting here on the day before thanksgiving, and this is the conversation that we're having yet again in this country. doug, i just -- it gets to the point where you want to look away, because living in it is so hard. but there's five more families out there -- not gonna be sitting down at the thanksgiving devine dinner table. are we so fatigued about is that nothing can ever be done? where are we? >> i think desensitization is something we're all going through right now. this happens so often, and so many other horrific things happening. police attacks on minorities, for instance, that we must lose track of which happened at which time with which person. it makes it harder, i think, collectively, for there to be action. we had some legislation in the past last year, or earlier this year, which was hard to get back. a lot of people didn't think it would. clearly, it didn't do enough. the one thing we see in all these cases as we talk about

somebody fell through the cracks. clearly, there were too many cracks, and they need to be fix. >> stephen, you run a publication that really focuses on gun policies, gun rights in america. i commend it to people who are interested in looking at this in a serious way, as we as a country trying to grapple with what this means. obviously, and i think you pointed this out, there are differences among, you know, different reasons why any of these people ended up in possession of firearms. but, at the same time, this doesn't happen in other countries. other well-off countries across the globe. why does it happen here? >> i think that's a very valid question as far as the frequency of these sorts of attacks in the united states in the last couple of decades. this was not a common issue, these individuals going out in killing people, decades ago in the united states. something is changed culturally,

or otherwise, to lead to what we see now. there hasn't been necessarily a huge uptick in the number of public-ness -- mass killings with guns over the last -- since 2016, according to the associated press. according to the associated press director. but certainly, there's a difference between america and a lot of other developed countries in terms of general levels of gun violence, violence overall as well. there are some differences. and i think there's a lot of factors that go into this. >> as an access to guns? or is it a cultural thing that has to do with more than just the weapons that people -- because you know, there does seem to be -- and i understand this very much divides people, including a lot of people who read your publication, who are on the side of allowing these weapons to be legal. but the reason why you can kill somebody people so fast, for example, and the colorado shooting, it's because people have access to assault weapons. >> i think it's a combination of access to guns for certain

people, who oftentimes in these situations have exhibited tendencies towards violence, or in the colorado springs shooters case, committed what seemed to be felonies that should've been prosecuted and made them ineligible to own firearms for life, had the shooter been convicted. >> had they followed through. >> yeah. and you see that quite often in the situations. i think it's important to look at them as individual situations, if you're trying to see a policy solution to the shootings. because while the outcome is horrific in all these situations, the details are rather different. colorado springs -- this was somebody who should've been presented from owning eigen based on his criminal history, the bomb threat, --

his mother, but he wasn't. houston ar-15 and a handgun. in the walmart shooting, we don't yet know the background of that attacker, and he used a handgun. -- they weren't implemented, we don't know why for either situation. neither had background checks, neither had a ban on ar15s. does a lot that goes into the details of the situations if you're trying to come up with a policy solution to solve these issues. >> right. kirsten, as the democrat on the table, but as someone who understands and has focused on campaigns in areas for second amendment rights are not always a cut and dry issue, i mean, people are so sick of this. and there's no will to change it beyond -- obviously, chris murphy noted,

a push with republicans in the senate to make some changes in the wake of the uvalde shooting. is there a policy out there that can change what's happening in america? >> one of the things that have changed in the last couple decades is the assault weapon ban expired. but something republicans have opposed when the democrats have brought it up before. i don't have any trouble saying the problem is the guns. so, mentally unwell people exist everywhere. another big difference between the united states and other countries as they actually have services for mentally unwell people. this is another thing republicans always bring up whenever there's a mass shooting, but never have anything to say about any other time of the year. while democrats are trying to pass bills to expand mental health services, whether they're expanding medicaid, but it's through obamacare, whether it's the specific mental health

services, republicans are opposing. so to sit here and act like there's nothing they can do, there are so many things we can do. i grew up in the house in alaska with dozens of guns. so it's not as though i don't understand guns, or didn't grow up around -- everyone i knew had gotten, right? everybody hunted. and -- most of those people, my father was still alive, and he was sitting here, he would say get rid of the high-powered weapons! they're mowing down people. that's what he would say. there's no need for this. and when i was growing up, we had shotguns. you know? that's what people used. now, of a sudden, everybody thinks they have to be rambo. we have some constitutional right to be rambo. constitutional rights have limits. they just do. you can't yell fire in a crowded room. the idea that we can never limit this because people want to have it, because they like

to go to the range and shoot a wild children are getting gun down, so i, i can't except that. >> i just think that the shootings in mass killings we've seen over the past week show that -- >> it's not just the past week. this is a game you guys play. come on. we're actually gonna sit here and say to me that there's no connection between mass shootings and the fact that somebody doesn't have to reload the gun that they're using? i mean -- >> colorado has a ban on -- >> right. but if the guns weren't allowed -- if people weren't allowed to own these guns, then -- if people don't have access to these guns, the shootings would not occur. >> i think that number in 2006 that you raised underscored that, because there was a before and after four when the assault weapons ban expired. and we saw a marked change in the number of shootings in the wake of that. thanks for bringing your expertise today to the table. kirsten and doug will stick around. ahead, mike pence won't

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>> prosecutors at the department of justice want to hear from former vice president mike pence. the doj has reached out to pence's team and want him to testify as part of the january 6th criminal probe. a source tells cnn that pence was open to testifying, at least to some extent. we know the former vp has refused to talk to the house select committee investigating the same thing. but it appears the distinction between a legislative investigation an apartment on one could make a real difference for pence. in quite a few recent media appearances, and meetings with republican donors, pence has tried to thread the needle, criticizing the events of january 6th while trying to maintain some support from former president trump's base. testifying may make that even harder given how much the

former president has portrayed cooperation with the doj as a litmus test for loyalty. my next guest knows what loyalty to trump means in this republican party. former acting white house chief of staff, mick mulvaney, thanks for joining me, sir. >> thank you, casey. >> how do you think the former vice president cooperating with special counsel, i mean, how much does that change the potential 2024 landscape from a political perspective, and does it change the criminal landscape for the former president? >> two different questions. i think it does change the criminal landscape a little. mike pence is a very credible guy. there's no question about it. in your introduction, you hit the nail on the head. he sees a difference between the january 6th committee of legislative, sort of a political show trial, and a criminal investigation by the department of justice. he would take that type of inquiry extraordinary seriously. it wouldn't surprise me. i'm getting the same things you are. he's hinting that is gonna testify, he's willing to at

least talk to a department of justice. that would change things, i, think, for donald trump, criminally, just because mike pence, again, on the very inside, talking to the president on the day of the riots, again, i don't know if there's any evidence yet. that the president did anything criminal on that particular day, but if there is, mike pence might be the source of some of that evidence. so it's a big deal, i think, for the vice president of the united states to talk to the department of justice about the former president of the united states. does it change the political landscape, probably not. you know, mike is -- threading the needle is right. he's gonna have a difficult time sort of trying to appeal to the part of the trump base and to separate himself. i don't think it changes the politics, but it might change the investigation. >> democrats in congress, just sticking with trump for a second, are gonna get hold of the former president's taxes. we learn that from the supreme court this week. i want to show people what you said --

i'll ask you about it. watch. >> to be clear, you believe democrats will never see the presidents tax returns? >> never. nor should they. keep in mind, that's an issue that was already litigated during the election. voters knew the president could've given his tax returns, they know he didn't, and they elected him anyway. >> so, what do you say now? the supreme court, which includes several donald trump nominees -- treasury, hand them over. >> i haven't read the opinions. -- >> so i, you don't have an argument, treasury, hand them over. >> yeah. i still think that's the wrong decision. keep in mind the reason congress is entitled to that kind of thing is in its lawmaking capacity. it's not an investigative body regularly. but the reason it collects information for the purpose of making law, and i guess that convinced the supreme court that's what this was, even though, to the casual observer, even non casual observer, from the outside, it looks like it's part of a political

investigation and not a legislative investigation. but again, not the first time i've been wrong. will it provide -- i have no idea what's in the tax returns. nobody does other than trump and his team. what provide, probably, a wealth of information that democrats can use against donald trump politically? absolutely. my guess is that why trump didn't want to turn it over in the first place. >> yeah. that does make sense. you've said that you want someone else to be the republican nominee in 2024. but is that realistic right now? anyone out there that you think is setting the stage to actually be able to beat him in a nominating contest? >> sure, i think a bunch of people could beat him head to head. i think ron desantis could beat him head to head. i think tim scott could. and i had to race, donald trump -- donald trump pulls 35%, he's gonna lose and i had to head race. if i run against you and i get 35%, i'm gonna lose. if i run against you and

everybody else in the studio, i'm gonna win with my 35%, and primaries are basically winner take all. so in a head to head competition, i do think he can beat. but in a five on one, six on one type of race, which is the way i think it's shaking at, i think he's the presumptive republican nominee, and i think he loses in 2024 because he makes it a referendum on himself. it's not donald trump versus joe biden or whomever, it's not republican versus democrat, it's donald trump versus donald trump, and one of the people that can beat donald trump is donald trump. that's exactly what happened in 2020. >> right. so what's your message to the republicans who seem eager to jump into the race and make this a very large field that, as you point out, gives donald trump potentially the strategic advantage that he needs to become the nominee? do they need to check their egos, put it aside, and get out of the way to pick somebody else? >> i mean, there's no united anti trump front in the republican party. nor should there be.

if folks want to run and think they have a chance to run, they should run. my advice to them would be to find yourself. don't go in as a pro trump candidate who sort of criticizes him on january six, don't go in as an anti trump candidate, go in as your own man or your own woman. that's the only chance you've got. take donald trump on head to head as you being you. not as you trying to define yourself in terms of donald trump. i do think there's a couple candidates who can do that. again, desantis being one of them. >> are you ready to personally jump on board with any one of the colleagues, former colleagues of yours, or people you've been hearing from -- are you ready to say, i'll support you, desantis, in the primary? >> i'm in an unusual position. i'm friends with all these folks. mike pompeo nicer together, nikki was my governor, tim scott was a legislator with me, is a close friend, what

desantis was in the house with me, mike pence tonight where serving together. the offensive mind. i wish them well if they decide to run. my guess is every single one of those people that i just mentioned what either give a real serious like turning or in fact run. so it's gonna be, probably, again, just like it wasn't 2016, a very crowded republican field. >> before i let you go, i've gotta ask you about what's up next for kevin mccarthy you obviously -- founding member of the freedom caucus. you all ran john boehner -- now, mccarthy is facing a situation where at least four of five of his members have said they don't want to vote for him to be speaker. we're looking, potentially, at a very challenging period for him to even get the gavel, let alone actually govern the country. do you think mccarthy's gonna be the speaker of the house? can he manage the confidence if he does? >> yes and yes, although the second yes is a bit more difficult, because managing that group is gonna be difficult. but keep in mind, it's different than it was in 2000, i think it was 15, when john boehner left. we knew in the freedom caucus

that there were other people who could effectively be the speaker. we thought kevin mccarthy was one of those people at the time, it turned out that wasn't the case. but we knew paul ryan was a candidate, and believe it or not, this doesn't get a lot of attention. trey -- votes to be speaker as well if he chose to run. i'm not sure if there's anybody else in the house who could get the votes. keep in mind, right now, with the slim margin, let's say it's a five vote margin, any group of six house members could prevent kevin mccarthy from being speaker. by the same token, kevin mccarthy and five other of his friends can prevent anybody else from being speaker. that's the dynamic i think that's lost on a lot of people. so i think kevin's gonna be the speaker? yes. i think he's the only one who can actually get 218 votes. will he have to give up a lot of the maga wing of the party, to the freedom caucus? yes he will. but i do think he will be speaker, and i think will be as fact of as anybody else would be invade -- trying times in

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probably the most important thing to voters in this kind of bucket. but critics have pointed out that he has lived in texas for the past two decades. now less than two weeks out from an election that will decide if whether democrats get a grip on power in the senate, there are new revelations tonight that may back those accusations up. according to records recently uncovered by cnn's kfile, the former football star is set to get a tax break on his texas home. a tax break that is reportedly valued at $3 million. a tax break that is only reserved for texas residents. now, while this raises some legal questions clearly about whether he is following texan tax law. walker's problem at least in this moment might be the political fallout just 13 days out from the runoff. kirsten powers and doug high are back with. we also want to welcome jackie kucinich to the conversation. doug, you are the republican sitting at this table. does this matter? how bad is this. >> yes and no, the homestead

exemption is something that so many senators when i worked for 2000, five a reporter called and said why is your boss getting this homestead exemption from the district of columbia. and it was panic until we realized about 50 others were at the same time, including ted kennedy. but he's not a senator yet. he doesn't live in d.c.. the question is, he says he was in georgia. when you, and really what we just, it they houses where $3 million not a tax. but continue. >> this gets to why it is a problem. it speaks to something that he has a problem with voters. who change anybody's mind? no. but it sure causes it attracts refer -- >> i was, ghana is the same thing that was facing herschel walker and his quest for the senate, perhaps it would have more of an impact. there is just too much to impact. between the abuse allegations, allegations of pay for abortions. all of the things herschel walker has dealt with this entire campaign. it is a fairness issue when we talk about a tax exemption.

you may or may not be getting. but, at this stage of the game where margins are going to be so thin, i do wonder if that is going to move the needle. so kirsten, if you are the one running the walker campaign or the warnock campaign. who would you rather be right? now to jackie's point, this is one thing of many that has dogged herschel walker's campaign to the point where he ran far behind the republican gubernatorial. if he had kept up with him in the election just a couple of weeks. go he would be the senator elect right now. he is, not because there are a lot of republicans who just could not stomach voting for him. this does seem like yet another thing. when you are talking about a turnout for this election where people are just like really, again. maybe that analysis is off. , i think that's, right i think the biggest issue is does this depress turnout is one question? we don't know the answer till after people vote. but i think we would be safe in saying that it's not going to convince people. so it's not going to leave people who are kind of like

already not really sure. and then kind of just adds to the list of things that makes them not excited. so you aren't going to have the republicans that were turning out to vote for kemp turning out necessarily for a special election right? because you have to be pretty enthusiastic to the voting in a special election. so i think that is just another data point against him and that is not what he needs right now. >> has just found enthusiasm after not having to. much >> look at that, after not having campaigned within the entire 2022 election. >> i was going to ask you about that to. doug and i don't know if we have any of the pictures, i was amuse there was a fox news interview that walker, cruz and lindsey graham in a three box. together. which is, as somebody who works on television and can be awkward to be in a two box. >> this is awkward. >> cruz is talking, he's sitting there in the middle. what is the strategy for cruz

and graham here. i get they are trying to do what they can to help him win. but i mean is this, what is the plan here? >> the whole of republican internal politicking. we've seen this play out over the last couple of weeks with the nrcc. sometimes fighting with much mcconnell and what calls team has put a lot of money in on this. but everybody wants to be next to herschel to demonstrate that we are doing what we can to build this up. not majority, at least to get from getting to 51 where democrats will have a lot more leverage. >> how would them being on tv -- >> it's all about appearances, but it seems like the message that they are sending is don't worry he's just going to do what we say right. it's like we are always by his side. like we never leave his side. to the point, who has ever done this? what person running for the senate has ever sat, gone chaperone on television. i cannot recall before. doesn't mean it's ever happened. but i can't remember. graham and crews in their

positioning within the republican congress. who is doing the most to try to get herschel walker over the finish. line >> it does demonstrate to kirsten's point the challenge. the unique challenges of the herschel walker candidacy. that he is sitting on, fox news with next. let me play a little bit of what cruz had to say. we saw him talking but let us listen to the argument he is making for why georgia voters should make a point to get out and vote for walker in a runoff. we >> chuck schumer has told you that he does not want herschel walker to. and he doesn't want a 50/50 senate. why is that? because in a 50/50 senate, committees are even. which slows them down. if ruffle warnock wins, schumer can expedite. confirming radical judges to take away your free speech rights, liberty rights. second amendment rights. >> what he is talking about basically, doug alluded to. this is a indifference between

a 50/50 senate where the parties have to work together to figure out how to control key committees and make critical decisions. and a 50 1:49 senate where democrats do not have to bother working with republicans on any of that. anderson, this is the argument that we are hearing from republicans. and i think we are going to hear throughout 2024. it's talking about your individual rights. democrats, i think, the results of the midterms show they did a pretty good job flipping that argument on its head, saying -- it's actually republicans who want to take that away. it's not what this is about at the end of the day? >>, i think if you supported individual rights, you would support women's rights to control their bodies. it seems pretty basic. i don't think it's a great argument, the idea that democrats are somehow trying to take away the individual rights, when they're the ones that are out making sure that women can't make decisions about literally what happens to their own body -- and so, i think that's -- i don't think that's an argument that's gonna resonate with anybody outside people

that are already voting for republicans. >> abortion is we already know has played a significant role in -- across the country, in this race in particular, particularly because the georgia supreme court just reinstated six-week ban in the state of georgia. thank you guys all for being here. on this thanksgiving eve, especially appreciate your time. meanwhile, taylor swift is furious at ticketmaster. she's not alone. i'm pretty sure all the rest of us are also after the debacle over fans trying to buy seats for her new concert tour. got a member of congress here who will not shake it off when it comes to questions over whether the behemoth of ticket sales deserves its own breakup. that's next. grandmom! walgreens find rx coverage is here to make medicare easy...

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number one album in the country, self proclaimed anti-hero as some new bad blood. after all, same singer who accuses congressman of covert narcissism as them lining up to join her against the fight against ticketmaster. the senate antitrust panel will hold a hearing, and the department of justice is investigating after the debacle that was swift concert ticket sales last week. between site crashes, people waiting on line for hours, and absolutely outrageous prices, swifties, as her fans are known, are asking for a hard look at the 2024 merger between ticketmaster in live nation. that includes my next guest, democratic congressman david cicilline. david, thanks for being with us tonight. >> my pleasure, good to see. >> good to see you too. it's an unusual topic, but 50 members of the house did send the doj a latter way back in 2010. they said livenation and

ticketmaster never ever should've gotten together in the first place. but the department under obama at the time approved the merger anyway. why do you think pressure from congress could have a different effect this time? >> well, we absolutely right. the merger should never have happened. fact, we wrote back in april of last year asking the department of justice in the federal trade commission to look again at this transaction. taken together, live nation and ticketmaster control over 80% of the tickets in large venues across the country. its monopoly. and what it's produced is what monopolies always produce. higher prices, alas quality experience for consumers, love compensations for artists. so the department of justice usually has to look at the transaction and look at the consent -- after the transaction to try to protect competition and impose additional conditions to really restore competition. if they can't do that, they'll look at unwinding the transaction. it should never have happened

in the first place. >> the reality to, though, is that complaints didn't start with the swifties. what's the difference here between this artist, this fan base, that i mean, i guess just blown up so normally, but what do you think is the difference between now and when there's been other problems with other artists? >> well, they've been a number of examples where this merger has produced terrible consumer experiences, much higher prices, degraded the quality of the consumer experience, and also, let's compensation for artists. a dog was another big concert rhythm happen. but they've been many examples. and look, this is a problem all throughout our economy. we have this kind of concentration of the market, they become near monopolies, and they don't have any incentive to innovate. they get lazy. they don't have incentive to worry about doing things while, to compete successfully. it also can increase prices. so there's a reason that monopolies are bad for consumers and workers and our economy. why competition is so importance, and the absence of

competition produces the results that we've seen time and again with this merger. and it's occurring all throughout the economy. we're seeing one more consolidation in health care, and agriculture, in tech. and it's good that we have a president now that is the most pro competition president in our lifetime, and he's -- jonathan cantor, and kim lou, have been really strong advocates. but we need to see action. this is just the most recent example of that kind of concentration. >> we did see an example of the difference that you point to in the recent -- the decision not to allow the two major publishing houses for marriage. but, back in 2019, you mentioned that consent decree, which of course, sets the rules for how -- these companies have to follow after they merge. in 2019, doj found that live nation, overall, company broke the rules of the merger. but they didn't really do anything about it. they just extended rules that were already in place. now, live nation claims that

they follow them now. why did they not -- widely kind of punt it back in 2019, and are you confident that doj will act differently this time? >> i am confident that doj will act differently this time. mostly because of the leadership of the president. but look, we didn't have great antitrust enforcement both in republican and democratic administrations for a long time. as a result, we've seen tremendous concentrations in our economy -- merges like this one, which should never have happened. i think that time is over. we have a president who understands what the impact of this kind of concentration is when working families, and on our economy. we have members of the administration who have a lifetime commitment to this work. and so, i think we're in a very different place. and the congress of the united states, my -- actively working on these issues. anti trust is back. -- much bigger role. i think we have an administration that is prepared to really do all that is necessary to restore competition, not only here, but all throughout our economy. and i think that's what's

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then moved to the united states. you talked publicly so often about how important it is to share and celebrate different cultures. how important that has been in your personal and professional life. how does that define what thanksgiving means to you? and what bigger message does it send in these divided times? >> first of all, i love thanksgiving, i think it is an amazing holiday. because it is truly for everyone. we all need at this time a moment to give thanks. cook, and sit around the dinner table. hopefully enjoy and laugh about it. it's stressful, we just came out of the pandemic. we will, it's really tough times for a lot of people. for a lot of us. i just feel for mental health and thanksgiving, enjoying each other. super important. and then it's also an opportunity to celebrate culture. one of the most beautiful things, we're so multicultural.

so on my thanksgiving tomorrow. yes, there will be turkey, there will also be some wonderful -- and some sweden -- an opportunity to really celebrate your culture. >> yeah, and to share food traditions and have other people bring thanks to the table. that's different. i actually feel, we here in washington d.c. have such a rich culture of ethiopian food because there are so many people. so that is not something i was ever exposed to ezekiel. something that i eat regularly now, which i really enjoy. but, here is one of the challenges in these tense times. a lot of people are finding it very hard to afford, to buy the food they need for a big thanksgiving feast at home. and in fact, some people are deciding to go to restaurants for the big meal. it is what we understand. because i mean just look at that. 24% of the turkey prices being way up.

restaurant inflation has been a little lower than some of these groceries. are you expecting more traffic at your restaurants? you've been an activist for a long time against hunger and food insecurity. what's your take on? this >> it is very difficult times. and you know the hospital community most of my friends, we all participate in different charities in terms of turkey and so on and so my new restaurant is brand new close to thanksgiving because i wanted to give the staff actually to be with their families. i read rooster we are open. and yes, it is tough times. but i do think that a moment like this at thanksgiving, whether you are home, whether you are at a friends house, it is a moment we can give thanks. because we all have something to be super grateful for. of course, pressing has hit restaurants as well. we are going through it.

but i do think that this is one of these days that we should enjoy, whether you are going to watch they woke up where you're going to watch football. american football. >> yeah. it is an interesting cultural choice this year. what we're gonna watch on tv. i know historically, i've got family from detroit, so we usually watch lions lose. but you are -- i, mean we know your soccer fan. i assume you'll be watching the world cup? who are you rooting for? team usa over here, but -- well, not till friday. >> first of all, i'm very impressed you know so much about ethiopian food. >> it's my go-to, i have to say. my absolute favorite. [laughter] >> i'm definitely gonna watch the world cup. americans did create, they almost won the game.

but i think -- i'm very excited about. and then -- brazil is probably the team to beat. the world cup is always a bunch of upset, right? isn't it great when japan beats germany? or, you know, you have saudi arabia beating argentina? this is why you watch the world cup. this, here we're gonna do it by eating turkey. isn't that fantastic? >> i guess it's fitting that the u.s. men's team is in the world cup this year. but anyway. chef marcus samuelson, thank you so much for being with us tonight, and for sharing a bit of the warmth enjoy that you bring the celebrating this tradition. >> thank. you happy thanksgiving to you and your family. >> happy thanksgiving to you and yours as well. we will be right back. at adp, we understand business today looks nothing like it did yesterday. while it's more unpredictable, its possibilities are endless. from paying your people from anywhere

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