people understand, now, that we have got to elect people who care about whether or not our constituents live or die. so, we have got to come up. >> yeah. senator thank you very much for your time, we really appreciate you taking the time right before things giving to talk to us about this. >> thank you, my pleasure. >> here with us now, we have molly jon doss, correspondent, and cnn presidential historian tim naftali, ron brownstein is here and cnn political commentator scott jennings is back with us. molly, your thoughts? >> this is a uniquely american

problem, because we are a country that refuses to regulate guns. and so, we have these shootings, and we have them everywhere. we have them in schools, we have them in restaurants, we have them in malls, we have them in bars. i mean, it's happening because we refuse to regulate guns. i think that it is so craven of republicans to say, this is a mental health problem. sure is a mental health problem. it is not either/or. we are happy for you to find mental health, that's great, and then also have sensible gun laws. we don't have to live like this. and, you know, just like we saw in these midterms, most americans don't want to live like this. >> you know it is really affecting my mental health poorly? mass shootings. that is a part of why we have a bad mental health problem. ron, you are a student of trends in america, and history, how are we at this point? >> this is, i think, a crisis of majority rule. i think there is no way that we will ever address the gun problem, without addressing the

ways in which the filibuster, combined with the to senator per state rule, which basically undermines majority rule. you look at the 20 states, that have the highest gun ownership per capita, they sent 32 recovered and senators to washington out of those states, you look at the 20 states that have the smallest gun ownership per capita, they sent 32 democratic senators. equal, 20 and 20. the differences the 20 states with the smallest gun ownership per capita have about 125 million more people than the 20 states with the most gun ownership. and so, basically what we are seeing on guns is that it is perhaps the premier example of how the rules and power and power a small number of smartly sparsely populated, predominantly white, rural states that have an outsized influence on national power. about as high as you can get in

a democracy, there is support for most of the steps that people want to take. tighter red flag laws, universal background checks, a ban on assault weapons, a ban on high-capacity magazines. then you have the majority of her publicans who don't own guns you say they support those ideas but basically cannot advance through the senate, so long as republicans in the senate believe they cannot cross -- one constituency. the republican to own guns. >> scott, because you are our voice of pelicans are thinking, the latest pupils we have, in terms of background checks, he's right, the vast majority of americans support strengthening background checks. in terms of banning high- capacity magazines, again, the majority of americans support banning high-capacity magazines. so, why is this so stuck, in congress? >> well, because the constituents of the people who represent them don't want it. >> but, they do. the majority of americans do want it.

>> a majority of americans, these people represent specific states, and districts, and constituencies. that is ultimately one thing that representative government gives you. they don't go there to represent the country at large, they go there to represent the people who elect them. that's number one. number two, i would remind you that we did just pass a pretty broad gun violence response package, just this last year. in a bipartisan way, it passed the house and the senate, and everybody was pretty happy about it at the time but a lot of the things being discussed right now, looking at this walmart situation, that we have been discussing tonight, trying to figure out, would it have stopped this particular case? i keep coming back to the gun debate is one thing, policy debate is one thing, but no one seems to want to talk about one of the threads that run through all of these shootings, and that is, what is going on in these people's lives? this commonality of broken homes, violent homes, drug addiction, you know, it goes on and on but it has nothing to do with guns and everything to do

with, you know, how these people turn out in the course of their lives. and so, i think as we are having the gun debate, i think we have to have that debate as well, because i think they go together. >> i hear you. i wouldn't say it has nothing to do with guns. because, when a deranged person does not have a gun, they don't go on a mass shooting. so, i would not say it has nothing to do with guns but i hear you, and i'm not disagreeing. obviously, there is a crisis in people's homes, there's a mental health crisis and all that stuff, but the nexus is when they get a gun. that is when the violence happens. hold that thought. tim, as our historian, give us your thoughts on this. >> something happened in the 1990s. and after the 1990s, but has made the argument that scott has made is a totally fair argument because members of congress are representing what their constituents seem to want. but, in the 1990s, american police officers wanted gun control. american police officers made the argument, we are outgunned by the gangs. >> they still say that, by the way. >> the fraternal order of

police doesn't say it. police unions don't say it. this is the challenge, i think, scott, sorry to just talk to you but i will say to you. the challenge is, we don't have this conversation. we don't talk about this nexus. molly said it is not an either/or. absolutely not. but, the problem is that the response, i have to say, from the republican side is, we don't want to talk about this. we only want to talk about this as mental health, nothing else. when the river looking controlled congress, they wouldn't even allow a study of gun violence. they wouldn't spend the money to get data. 690 mass shootings, last year. there is no country on earth that has that. why should we be exceptional in the amount of gun violence we have? this year, we have 609, so far. we may actually get more than last year. this is an epidemic. >> let me let scott respond. scott, why are publicans uncomfortable talking about the gun aspect of this epidemic?

>> welcome republicans generally, and this is a long held principle of the republic and parties that we are defenders of the second amendment. we believe in the constitutional rights that flow -- >> it's not absolute. >> the founding principles of this country. that is one of the longest held principles of this party, and that is where a lot of legislators think they have a responsibility to defend. and by the way, their constituents expect them to defend it. that doesn't mean you can't make policy changes, or invest in things. we just did. republicans voted for some of these things just happen. >> yes, i know. >> this is a constitutional issue you are bumping up against. you can't just say, let's just do this that on the other. >> of course. i understand, but it is not absolute. guys, obviously, we need an hour special to talk about this because there is so much to say, we are up against a break right here. but, thank you all very much

for your perspective. we will be back to talk to some of you, but first, we want to move on to this, because there is no suspect, no murder weapon, a week and a half after for college students were found brutally stabbed to death in ni idaho. so, why aren't police gecloserc solving this, or are they? that's next. 30% japanese. thank you, mom. there's just still so much to discover. now on sale at ancestry. when we started selling my health products online our shipping process was painfully slow. then we found shipstation. now we're shipping out orders 5 times faster and we're saving a ton. go to shipstation.com /tv and get 2 months free.

still no suspect in the shocking stabbing death of for college students in idaho. here is the moscow idaho captain today. >> no suspects have been named or arrested, and we continue looking for what we believe to be a fixed blade knife, used in the murders. >> i want to bring in alina burrows, she is the host of

crime scene confidential, now available to stream on discovery plus and cnn is a division with warner bros. discovery. thank you so much for being here. can we talk about the dna evidence here, police chief and investigators went through the long list of evidence, they have gathered for they have taken hundreds of photos, they have something like 103 pieces of individual evidence, and it is hard to imagine, that in a crime scene this blood he and this intense, that the killer would not have left behind a lot of his own dna. so, how long will it take for them to make a match? a dna match, or for them to get to the bottom of that? >> it depends. dna can take a few weeks to get back and in a case of this high- profile, they might be able to expedite that. certainly, the hope in a case like this, is in a case this intensely aggressive, the hope is that our suspect could have

injured themselves in the process, and that is not uncommon in a case like this, we have a chance to see that our suspect could have obtained some injuries, that would not be uncommon in the palm, or the interior finger areas, that we would see some cuts. the hope is that those injuries could help to either identify a potential suspect, or, that suspect could have left dna at the scene as he suggests. >> you are a crime scene investigators for 12 years. when you get to a scene like this, with this many victims, and this much blood, where do you even begin? by the way, one more detail here, the two surviving roommates first called their friends over to the house, rather than police, i imagine, for moral support, or to help them, so, it has that done, what does that do to a crime scene?

>> it's overwhelming, but because they live in the house, their dna, their finger prints can be expected to be there. so, it doesn't damage the house, it doesn't damage the crime scene, really, in any way. what we are looking for, and the basis of crime scene investigation is that we try to link victim, suspect, and crime scene. any evidence that can do that is what investigators are busy looking for right now. that his what the task at hand is, and that will take them some time to do. >> well, let's all just hope that there is some dna that can be found in that horrible scene and that they are able to do a match and find out who this person is. alina, thank you very much. we appreciate you being with us, tonight. >> absolutely. the senate runoff in georgia is less than two weeks away, and we have new investigative reporting on the gop candidate, herschel walker, right after this. the only smart bed in the world that actively cools, warms and effortlessly responds to both of you. our smart sleepers get 28 minutes more restful sleep per night.

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♪ call one eight hundred, eight million ♪ in less than two weeks, we will see a rematch in georgia between herschel walker and raphael warnock. early voting starts this saturday after the georgia supreme court, today, rejected an emergency request from republicans trying to block its. back with wheat we have molly jean best, tim naphtali, ron rousey and scott jennings. ron, do you think that early voting will make a difference in georgia, and will we see a different result in georgia than this neck and neck virtual tie that we had? >> yeah. when you have a race that is this close, everything makes a difference. i think the biggest issue in georgia is, even in the first

round, there were clearly many republicans who were hesitant about herschel walker's capacity, his morality, his ability to handle the job, but they were willing to vote for him because they wanted a republican controlled senate but that is no longer a possibility. the question is what it is republicans could have held their nose and voted for him, much less those republicans who came out primarily to support brian kemp. are they going to feel motivated to come out the second time for a candidate about whom they have many doubts when control of the senate is no longer really at stake? >> what do you think, scott? >> it will be a close race. herschel is obviously fighting uphill. he had fewer votes in the first election, and on this saturday voting thing, i don't understand. instead of fighting against you to focus your efforts on getting people to vote when the polls are open for that would be my advice to republicans down there. i don't quite understand. the publicans are allowed to vote on saturday too. that would be where i put my

energy. >> yeah. and it's easier to vote on it or you don't have to work, i've noticed. so, there is also this new difference, cbs investigative team has me reporting that herschel walker has been getting a tax break in texas, last year and this year for what he calls his primary residence, which is in dallas, texas, which is not in georgia. dallas, texas, is not in georgia. and i just wonder if we think that a carpet bagger claim will affect him. is people did respond to that from dr. oz in pennsylvania. >> to quote mitch mcconnell, this is a candidate quality problem. these are not vetted candidates, just like ours was the same way. i think that, he is not from there, right? neither was oz because was from new jersey. people want to be resented by people who are from where they are from. so, i do think that is a problem.

i mean, he has also been plagued with scandals, and he has had a lot of -- you know, there is a lot of stuff that has come out during this campaign, but ultimately, i have to wonder if republicans really want him in the senate. i mean, he will be there for six years if he wins. >> they certainly want -- i think that they would prefer to have a split senate, then to have a one person lead for democrats. >> absolutely. i mean, it will make it much easier for them to take over the senate and -- into years began, by the way, the democrats have a tough slate. they will have to fight a lot to retain control of the senate, two years from now. so, of course the publicans would like to win the seat. the problem for the republicans is what molly said, mitch mcconnell predicted that a number of the republicans donald trump insisted on supporting were not going to make it. and, you know, herschel walker has either violated the law of georgia, or the law of texas,

but, he has actually been a residence a resident of two places simultaneously, so he's got a problem. it's not just optics, he actually has a legal problem. i think the big question, for me, is brian kemp. that is what i am watching. does brian kemp throw his machine behind herschel walker, or not. herschel walker doesn't have a machine. reverend warnock has a machine. the question is turnout. i don't know, does brian kemp want to help donald trump sky get elected? >> he is, isn't he? scott? isn't brian kemp company with him? >> yeah, doing and add. >> two weeks ago, it was reported that brian kemp was loaning his full turnout operation from his people and his technical know-how to the republicans to try to turn out voters for walker. regarding this residency issue,

everybody knew he lived in texas, this was talked about before. to equate him to dr. oz, i mean, dr. oz was not a favorite son of pennsylvania. herschel walker is a favorite son of georgia. everybody knew he had been out of state and come back to run to senate, to me this is a nonissue. the bigger issue is what ron raised earlier, can you get republicans back out one more time, and can brian kemp convince a few more republican who voted for him to pull the lever this time. the reason the vote matters, by the way, is because of the filibuster. it does not mean control of the senate, but if you give democrats closer to changing filibuster rules, that might matter to a lot of the public and voters. >> ron, last word, quickly? >> real quick, i mean, five states made joe biden president by switching from trump in 2016 to biden in 2020. if walker loses we will have trump backed nominees who lost in all five of those estates this year for governor or senator, which is about as clear a statement, even with three quarters of voters saying the economy is in bad shape,

that is about as clear a statement as the republican party can get on trump's ability to win back those places into years. >> guys, stick around, because we have election news to report that the midterms are still going on. okay, cnn and now projects that senator lisa murkowski will win re-election in alaska. this is another loss for former president trump, who endorsed murkowski's republican rival. murkowski voted to convict donald trump in the second impeachment trial, and also, in alaska, cnn projects the democratic congresswoman, mary portola will win alaska's at- large house seat, defeating republican rival sarah palin and nick baggage. that's incredible that we are still getting in projections and reporting on midterm results. okay. now, since it's a holiday, stuffing will make its way around the table and many of us will end up feeling stuffed. so, what is the best way to limit things giving

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delicious overindulgence. but, there is a new study that suggests, if you are trying to control calories, tomorrow, moderate exercise makes you hungrier than intense exercise. is counterintuitive. i also suggest no exercise, but that's a different story. let's talk about this with molly john past, timothy ref tolley, and molly jennings. molly, what is your thanks giving strategy or do you just succumb? >> i just try to be normal. >> you are normal on things giving? >> you know, i eat pie every day. you know? >> wait a minute, you eat pie every day? >> not every day. >> i know. >> i eat a lot of pie, when i am presented with a piece of pie, i eat it.

i had pie already today. >> did you really? >> s. >> i like where you're at with this life strategy. scott, what is your things giving strategy? do you just eat your face off, do you try to control it, what do you do? >> i try to control it, but my main exercise strategy to take a good long walk after the meal. if you walk after you eat it controls your blood sugar, brings her insulin down. so, this exercise business, after eating. that is where i am going. >> that's good, scott. it is not what the study suggests. the study says it makes intuitive sense that exercise would make us hungry, and often it does. in many studies, people who work out moderately, for instance by walking, and up peckish afterwards. >> i'm not exercising before, go after because as soon as i am done eating i walked like three miles and pretend it is all gone. >> okay, i like that. i like that strategy. ron, tell us about your thanks giving strategy. >> i feel like i am getting an explanation here, because i am -- is going to be 78 degrees out here.

i realize i am grading on a curve, but i am definitely a before meal exerciser and now i know why i eat myself into a coma every year. >> that's it, you are exercising. stop exercising. >> maybe i need molly's strategy of more pie and less exercise. maybe i would be more successful . >> can ever go wrong with more pie? i mean, again, i like this strategy. tim, telus. >> it's very simple. you choose between potatoes and stuffing. my mother makes a great stuffing, you choose the stuffing. spot >> why do you have to choose? >> because then it all falls apart. at that point you are more stuffed than the turkey was to begin with. and then you can't enjoy the punk and pie. i think you just make choices. >> wow, tim, that's a tough choice. in my italian family, our tradition was, we would have a pasta course before the turkey and stuffing and mashed potato

meal. when i brought friends home from college, they just truly ate themselves into a food,. i was like, rookies. like, they just slept the rest of the afternoon. so, pasta before the things giving meal, okay? that's what the professionals there. >> that's hard-core. >> that's right. yes pick exactly. all right, guys, thank you very much. and of course, have a delicious pie day. sounds wonderful. we will be right back. us. unlike some others, neuriva plus is a multitasker supporting 6 key indicators of brain health. to help keep me sharp. neuriva: think bigger.

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this time, she takes us on more fascinating journeys. in the first episode, lisa explores how the loneliness of the pandemic era changed the fabric of human relationships, and how some people are embracing nonhuman companions to fill the void. here is a preview. >> tell me about when you first became aware of real doll. >> oh gosh, it was a special on one of the cable channels. and, like, that's interesting. before i brought her home, i wasn't sure what to expect. i opened the box. and, i just gasped, like that. i was so taken aback. i thought tosha, take me home, take me with you. >> is she heavy? >> she's about 60 pounds. >> you must carry her around a lot, right? or is usually pretty stationary. >> she has a stand. or she sits in a chair like this.

>> you style her, you do her makeup, everything? >> yes, i do. a lot of youtube videos. >> lisa ling joins me now. lisa, intriguing? disturbing? wow. tell us about this chute he went on. first of all, let me be crystal clear, that is his girlfriend, right? >> this is his nonhuman companion. and, you know, allison, our show has always tried to look at issues through a very unique lens. i will say that this is not an episode about sex dolls. it is about the relationships that all of us are having, with nonhuman entities. most of us are not in relationships with life-sized dolls, but we are in relationships with our devices, and the things that we can do and experience on them.

the truth of the matter is, with these aim algorithms, they actually know us in some cases better than we know ourselves. when -- they know what makes us happy, they know what makes us sad or happy or excited, they know what kinds of things we like to buy. in some ways we are not even thinking for ourselves anymore, these devices, these algorithms are controlling our behaviors, and controlling our thoughts. when you see how far people are being pushed to extremes, because the information they are receiving is essentially served on a silver platter, based on the data that has been collected on all of our habits. we may not be in a relationship with life-sized dolls but we are in a relationship with our devices and what is available. >> i think that is an interesting angle, and i think it is a really fascinating way to look at what relationship means. but, can we get back to the

doll for a second? i mean, i am just fascinated by it. partly because she is actually a great girlfriend, because you can project whatever you want onto her, she does not argue, she doesn't, you know, -- >> allison, there are people -- and, this applies to the virtual world as well, there are a lot of people out there who suffer from severe social anxiety, or have a debilitating fear of rejection. you know, whether it is a doll, or it is virtual reality, you don't have to deal with those things. you are validated, you are loved, no matter what you look like, no matter what you do, no matter what you've done. you can specify whatever you are interested in. a constant stream of adoration and validation, and vr is getting so good, at a certain point, we may never have to

leave the confines of our own bedroom. we can travel, we can go to sports games, we can go to concerts, we can even have sex, and, then, we can design exactly what our partner is going to look like, will he ever need to leave the confines of our space? what does that say? what are the locations of the future of human relationships with technology literally taking on a life of its own. >> i think, it is intriguing, really intriguing, you present so many thought-provoking ideas, but, i just think it is better to interact with humans. i will reserve judgment until i watch your special, the whole series, lisa it's great. your specials are so intriguing, and i love even watching the teases for them, they just make us want to tune

in. >> thank you, allison. it is always our objective to provoke thought. >> and you do it well. this season of this is life premieres sunday night at 10:00 p.m., only on cnn. you can find every episode of this is life, because they are all great, from previous seasons streaming on discovery plus. great to see you, lisa. >> thanks so much. thanks so much for watching, have a wonderful thanks giving, everyone. our coverage continues, now. it makes it really easy and seamless pick an order print everything you need slap the label on ito the box and it's ready to go our cost for shipping, were cut in half just like that go to shipstation/tv and get 2 months free

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