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incredible video of hawaii's volcano erupting for the first time in nearly 40 years. it's the world's largest active volcano and it's on the big island of hawaii. so far tonight, lava is contain, not threatening communities as of now, but there's a real possibility the harmful gas could be carried downwind. shelters have been opened as a precaution. southwest airlines also suspending flights out of the big island's international airport. thanks so much for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. protests across china tonight. that is rare all by itself. what has been unthinkable until this moment are the calls for
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the leader of the country to step down. john berman here in for anderson. anger at the country's rigid zero covid response has unleashed a wide array of resentment with some calling for democracy. this is map of where cnn has confirmed protests. at least 16 nationwide including beijing as well as shanghai. of course, it is happening in a country of more than 1 billion people whose fates, both politically and financially, have a huge impact on the u.s. and the entire world. we have two live reports tonight. our senior international correspondent, ivan watson in hong kong and selena in beijing. ivan, give us the latest. >> for three years now, the chinese government has been trying to snuff out the covid-19 virus. it has put immense psychological, emotional, and financial pressure on the
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country's population and over the weekend, some of that pressure finally snapped. anger on the streets of chinese cities. the biggest nationwide display of discontent this tightly controlled country has seen in a generation. protesters pushing back against police and the government's zero covid policy. the unrest triggered by a deadly fire in china's western region last week. videos emerged of fire hoses barely reaching the blaze which killed at least ten people. among them, a woman and four of her children. what happened to your mother and your brothers and sisters? >> translator: the fire started on the 15th floor. the smoke poisoned my family. the government could not stop the fire in time. >> two surviving adult children
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speak to me from turkey. unable to see their family since 2017 due to the harsh crackdown, the government accused of putting up to 2 million of their fellow ethnic uighurs in internment camps. they say their loved ones were trapped in the building by covid measures. >> translator: they could not escape because the fire escape was blocked and the fire escape to the roof of the building was also locked. >> accusations cnn cannot confirm, but chinese authorities have been seen literally locking residents into buildings. outrage over the fire compounded by previous deadly incidents in recent months directly linked to covid prevention. though cnn verified 16 protests in 11 chinese cities this weekend, a chinese government official told the journalist they just didn't happen. >> translator: what you mentioned does not reflect what
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actually happened. china has been following the dynamic zero covid policy and has been making adjustments based on realities on the ground. >> on monday, the white papers that had become a symbol of the protests in mainland china spread here to hong kong where these small groups of demonstrators are holding a vigil for what they say are the victims of china's zero covid policy. >> i am a victim. i cannot go home. many years, like two to three year, right, my parents were locked down for three months and even relatives of my good friends, they suicide because of the lockdowns. >> with china reporting record breaking new daily cases of covid, there appears to be no end to the lockdowns in sight. meanwhile, the siblings cannot even pray for closure after suffering the unimageable loss
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of five immediate members of their family. will you go home for the ng funeral. >> we want to attend the funeral, but if we went back now, china will put us in jail or even torture us. >> ivan, any signs that the chinese government will back down from its zero covid policy? >> there may be some little glimmers of hope that the beijing city government on sunday said that it was prohibiting authorities from taking measures like locking the entrances to residences as part of covid lockdowns and that may be a recognition that that could have contributed to the high death toll with that fire. but overall, we have not heard a change of the country's rhetoric. it says it is still committed, the government, to trying to completely eradicate covid-19
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from china. and when it comes to the protests, we had a quieter night. certainly in the capitol, beijing, on monday night. the chinese government has an enormous system of surveillance and state security. many levers it can use to try to repress people from coming out into the streets. for instance, we're hearing more and more about universities sending their students home very early. perhaps in an attempt to try to take some of the air out of some of these protests. and just to bring back to that family that has suffered so much in that fire. they are ethnic uighurs. that is a population that has been rounded up by potentially the millions in the recent years and that family alone, they tell us that their father has been put into an internment camp. they haven't spoken to him in years. a brother as well. and they don't even know if they can get any information to those people to let them know about the tragedy that their mother and four other siblings died in
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this terrible fire. >> suffered so much already and now even more. ivan watson, thank you. to beijing now and selena. you were in the protests in beijing sunday night into monday morning. what did you see on the ground? >> what i saw was people essentially past their breaking points. sick and tired of three years of harsh lockdowns and restrictions, but the anger went beyond covid. it went to frustrations about all the repressions with living in authoritarian china. there was chanting, crying, too, because this is a rare chance for these young people to be surrounded with others and to pour out their emotions in a country where people cannot freely express themselves. you'll see in the video many people holding white pieces of paper. that is a sign of protest without actually writing anything that the authorities could arrest them for. now, this protest i witnessed was peaceful, but there was
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heavy police presence and after 2:00 a.m., you saw rows of police. they are determined to make it as if these protests never happened. erasing videos, comments about the protests and state media ignoring it, instead publishing headlines calling zero covid scientific and effective. >> i keep looking at the video because i haven't seen protests like this in china since i can't remember when. you spoke to so many of the protesters. what are their demands and are they afraid of the consequences of doing this? >> look, this is a big country and there are protests across the nation. we did see in places like shanghai, these rare and bold calls for xi himself to step down, but what i saw was more caution and some anxiety and disagreement, too. some protestors were chanting for more political change. then you heard others arguing and urging them to keep it focused on covid. what really struck me was how many people were saying we love china.
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we are doing this because we love our country and we want it to change for the better. there was even a man on a loud speaker who was saying we support the communist party, but we want more freedoms. there was one protester without a mask that was willing and eager to speak to me on camera. he told me he motorcycled and biked for more than an hour to get to the protest. he told me the chinese people need to stand together, but xi and the government, they don't necessarily need to step down. they just need to listen to the people and make those changes. of course, the irony is just by being there, he is putting himself at risk. >> so is the government responding? how are authorities responding? >> well, we're already seeing this very, very heavy security presence in all the areas where there have been protests including here in the capital. last night, i went back to the exact same place i was before the day of the protesting. you can see in this video we filmed when we drove by that it
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is quiet. and there were moments during that protest, i was standing there feeling like i could have been in any other open democratic country in the world. going there the following da i gives us the reminder this is a police state with far reaching surveillance capabilities. facebook and twitter are banned. the main messaging platform is monitored by authorities so it's risky, it's hard for protesters to communicate, to mobilize, to just have their voices herard. while the authorities can get rid of all the evidence at home, they can't get rid of the rage people are feeling or the a ability of these videos to spread overseas. >> thank you so much for your reporting. stay safe. perspective now from an expert on u.s. china relations. codirector of the east asia program think tank and director of its china program. also, cnn's david culver who spent about 50 days in strict lockdown earlier this year while
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in shanghai. sun, listening to their pieces and seeing those images, what do you make of it? >> this is really unprecedented in the recent memory of any chinese people or generation. this is something that has not happened since 1989. and remember, the communist party congress only ended last month. so basically, within a month of xi into his third term, we're seeing popular opposition and we're seeing the mass protests against xi's corner stone policy, which is zero covid. i have to say this must be a very embarrassing moment for xi as a top leader of china. >> the whole world is seeing and what they're seeing in the rest of china remains to be seen. david, as mentioned, you were caught in lockdown yourself for 50 days while living in shanghai this year. when you look at these protests, where do you think it's headed and can you just speak to the psychological effect of being on
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lockdown? what that has on people? >> you're starting to see the results of that and just the frustration that has bottled up over the course of now three years of this policy in place and one that has only gotten mounting as far as the pressure it's putting on folks there. it's interesting because you look at where this is going and i think this would be some hope if you catch a breath and say at least there will be an end at this point. there is no end game here and that was the frustration living under the lockdown and talking to my neighbors and who had felt at this point in their lives, they had nowhere to go and no one to voice their concern to. what you also look at and ivan brought this up. is you go to places like shin, one of the most heavily surveilled places in china and you start to see traces across china, particularly in shanghai where we were, one of the most cosmo politan, the financial hub of china, the city that had
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gotten a lot of attention from folks who thought of this as the window to the west. they started building that same infrastructure. we started to see the walls go up. the cameras go into place and they would corral you into place where conveniently, those cameras were pointing on your face. they start to build that same infrastructure in the name of covid security, across china. this is something that seems to be relentless. >> sun, do you think there's an off ramp for president xi when it comes to the zero covid policy? >> this is very hard because while he needs to change this policy now, it will equate to acknowledgment of the failure of the policy or mistake of the policy being adopted for the three years. so if he does not change the policy, he's looking at popular discontent spreading across china. i would agree with selena that not all people want political regime change. most people are demanding for
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their freedom. the freedom to go outside of their apartment, to go to work. that's very different from the political demand of forced chinese communist party to step down. but xi to cater to that demand would require him to reconsider and adjust his zero covid policy, which has been his signature policy in the past three years. demonstrate the sue per yorty of the model china has been adopting. this is a really difficult position for xi. he has to change. but changing also means a failure on his part. >> david, given that, based on your experience, what do you think xi's response is likely to be in the com coming days? >> i really believe covid is not a huge factor in this. i think what we're looking at is an ideology that at its core is part of the party's effort to try to purify, certainly from xi's perspective, and remember, he's at the center of the party which is at the core of human life within china as they see
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it. and so this seems to be an effort to really maintain control over a massive population. we started to see that with the big brother data they were implementing there. having the qr codes, which at first seemed quite effective then ultimately, you began to feel they were tracking you and now just to go into any sort of public place, you need to scan in so not only are they able to acknowledge, in their words you're not a close contact and don't have the virus, but they know where you've been if they want to trace. and they're able to do that with these protesters. one thing that's also worth noting, i was talking to some frie friends on the ground and they said they are stopping people randomly in shanghai, beijing, and they're asking to see their phone. going through their camera rolls. imagine a cop doing that and having to hand over your photo album. they're being deleted. apps being deleted. things that might have connection to outside china.
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>> they're trying to erase any evidence these protests have happened. thank you both so much for your insight into this. still to come tonight, republicans, but certainly not all republicans, speaking out about former president trump and the white nationalist he shared a dinner table with last week. new comments from his former vice president as well as georgia governor kemp. nothing so far from the man who hopes to be the next house speaker. we're keeping them honest, next. also tonight, an incredibly important senate runoff in georgia just days away, but guess who's not going to be there to campaign for the candidate he himself picked? details ahead. i was always the competitive one in our family... 'til my sister signed upup for united healthcare medicare advantage. ♪wow, uh-huh♪ now she's got a whole team to help her get the most out of her plan. now sh♪wow, uh-huh♪le team with coverage th's better than ever for dental... ...vision...
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that donald trump held last week at his mar-a-lago estate dining with a former president at a patio table where nick fuentes and kanye west. in an interview just released, this is what pence just said about trump and fuentes. >> president trump was wrong to give a white nationalist, an anti semite and holocaust denier a seat at the table. i think he should apologize for it and denounce those individuals and their hateful rhetoric without qualification. >> it is a noteworthy break from his former boss. another new objection comes from georgia's recently re-elected republican governor, brian kemp. this is what he told kaitlan collins a short time ago in an exclusive interview that will air tomorrow on cnn this morning. >> i mean, that was a bad
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decision. there's no place for that in the republican party. i know he's got you know, his answer to that question and i'll let him speak to that, but my views on that are very clear. >> again, you can watch the full interview tomorrow on cnn this morning. they're not the only republicans to condemn the former president. a handful of others, primarily in the is that the, have also condemned the dinner meeting, however, we have yet to hear from kevin mccarthy or for that matter, mitch mcconnell yet. this literal breaking of bread with a white supremacist and refusal to disavow fits a familiar pattern with donald trump. take his interview with jake tapper back in early 2016. david duke has endorsed trump, who was then asked if he would condemn duke and his support repeatedly jake asked and repeatedly, this is how trump responded. >> well just so you understand, i don't know anything about david duke. okay. i don't know did he endorse me or what's going on because you
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know, i know nothing about david duke. i know nothing about white supremacists. honestly, i don't know david duke. i don't believe i've ever met him. pretty sure i didn't meet him and i just don't know anything about him. >> another hallmark of trump's. supposed ignorance. we're supposed to believe he knows nothing about duke just like how after the dinner last week, he posted to social media, quote, i don't know nick fuentes. again, the white nationalist he dined with for roughly two hours. now to believe that, you need to believe he never heard about the uproar involving marjorie taylor greene and paul gosar to republican members of congress who got into deep hot water at a conference sponsored by yep, you guessed it, nick fuentes. it was a huge deal. so much so that about three days after green spoke at the con fr conference, gosar appeared by
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video. he called it apowell and wrong and said quote, the party should not be associated anytime, pany place, with somebody who was anti semitic. it's been six days since trump's dinner and no statement from mccarthy who's busy trying to secure enough votes trying to be the next speaker of the house. i'm joined by jonathan greenblatt, ceo and director for the national defamation league. great to see you. we just saw how donald trump has danced around or with white supremacists over the years. but sitting at a table at his home at mar-a-lago. with the white supremacist like nick fuentes. does that cross some kind of new line? >> look, for most people, it's crossing a line. for donald trump, it's sort of another day in the life. i think we've just got to acknowledge that the president has sort of joined the d list of celebrities. this is what you do. you hang out with discredited
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entertainers. n neo nazis and you try to make time with whoever will give you attention, but the fact of the matter is it's appalling when anyone in public life has any degree of hesitation about hanging out with those people who promote anti semitism, racism and all forms of hate. >> what's the impact of it? of a former president and the world seeing a former president dining? >> it's the normalization of hate. we're seeing it again and again. think about it. we're still mourning those shot dead in colorado springs two weeks ago. just because they were lgbtq. two weekends ago, we had an anti semitic attack narrowly averted here in new york city where men were apprehended with automatic weapons, bulletproof vests and knives. they were planning to attack a synagogue. now this, this is a normalization of hate where a former president thinks it's permissible to spend time with people who spew prejudice and hate. >> as a civil society, what
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should we do about this? what is the right response? >> i think one thing we're already seeing and you're showing are people, prominent republicans, calling it out when a republican in their own midst, promotes hate. democrats need to call out democrats. republicans need to call out republicans. the second thing is we've got to cut off the oxygen to these people. trump and nick fuentes, they thrive on attention. we've got to cut it off and really reconsider how we cover these people. >> how? >> i love the way the "new york post" covered his announcement. they said florida man announces run for president. that's how we need to treat donald trump. not as a credible former politician. but as a discredited hack, again, who weaponizes hate and uses anti semitism to advance
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his agenda. that's not okay no matter how you vote, your party affiliation. >> marco rubio and mike pence, they said basically the same thing. both condemned the fact trump sat with fuentes, but also made a point of saying they don't think donald trump himself is an anti semite. what do you think of those who choose to make that? >> his daughter, grandchildren, are jewish. has a complicated relationship with the jewish people, but when you validate the people who spew anti semitic venom, that's enough. we've got to judge people on what they do. and again and again, whether it's saying they're fine people on both sides, whether it's pretending you don't know who david duke is, people raging through the capitol that you love them, we've got to judge donald trump by what he does again and again and again and it's validating the worth elements of society. >> kanye west was there, also
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and he's been saying what he's been saying the last few months. thank you for being with us. again, you can watch kaitlan collins, her interview with brian kemp, including that condemnation you heard of trump's dinner. that's tomorrow on cnn this morning. up next here on 360, the u.s. senate runoff race is in the final stretch and trump is not apparently. donald trump is apparently not going to georgia to try to tip the scales for republicans in this very important runoff between walker and warnock. what that says and what soaring early voting numbers might indicate. we're live in georgia, next. ? our dell technologies advisors can provide you with the tooools and expertise you need to bring out the innovovator in you.
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most former presidents are highly coveted campaign assets to help turn out the vote. barack obama will return to georgia this week for rafael warnock ahead of next tuesday's pivotal senate runoff. we learned donald trump will not be making appearances for herschel walker. opting instead to phone in at some point for a remote rally. it's not known if it has anything to do with former president's meeting with a white supremacist. both walker and warnock are african american. it's also worth noting there are no current plans for the current president to travel to georgia to campaign. diane gallagher joins us from atlanta where david matthews is
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performing i think right now in support of rafael warnock. what more can you tell us about the former president and the current president kind of staying out of this race? >> reporter: yeah, i'm going to speak as loudly as i can without disturbing the fans who are here during this show right now. so former president trump not coming to georgia according to a person close to senate candidate herschel walker. this is something that look, there have been sort of a will he or won't he in the weeks leading up to this runoff election. he did not come before the election itself and the candidate, walker, has never put any daylight really between him and the former president. he talks about him on campaign stumps. he mentioned him during the day calling him a friend, but there are republicans here in georgia who are likely breathing a sigh of relief. they still tend to blame donald trump for their double losses in the january 2021 runoff elections here in a state that
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saw rafael warnock get placed in the senate. get elected into the senate back last year. now, you mentioned that the current president, joe biden, also not likely as far as we know, coming to georgia to campaign for senator warnock, but there is one former president who is coming to town. former president barack obama will be here this week to garner support for warnock to try and continue to get out the vote. similar to some of these events we've seen in the run up to the general election, but also here like we're seeing here. get out the vote. trying to make sure they have enough people to show up for this abbreviated four-week runoff period they still have the enthusiasm behind them. >> i have to say, you speaking along with tdave matthews is th best dave matthews song i've ever heard. early voting is underway in georgia. what is turnout been like so far? >> reporter: you know, actually for a couple of counties, it
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began in the days before thanksgiving. there was the lawsuit to try to get the saturday voting. they've seen just phenomenal numbers over the weekend including a record breaking sunday for a runoff period. and today, according to gabriel sterling with the georgia secretary of state's office, we're looking at another record breaking day of early voting. more than 240,000 people voting just today alone on this first day of the mandatory statewide early voting. there are five days of this across the state. monday through friday. it must end on friday. we are looking at intense numbers. when we talked about the enthusiasm they're trying to garner here, it looks like there was no shortage of that here in georgia. one thing we are noticing though, these long lines across the state. people waiting for 30 minutes, in some places to try and cast their ballot for this runoff
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period. >> diane, thank you very much. we'll let you get back to the concert. let's dig in further. with me now, state of the union coanchor, dana bash along with tia mitchell. dana, what do you make of this political calculation to keep former president out of georgia in the final days? >> yeah, i was talking to senior republican strategist who's involved in this georgia runoff who said point-blank there's one reason and it is because donald trump is just incredibly unpopular in the state of georgia. even among many republicans. the strategist reminded me of the spread in the republican primary for governor. governor kemp, who very now famously broke with and sort of pushed back on donald trump's attempts to get him to overturn the election in 2020, donald
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trump supported and endorsed david purdue to go up against kemp. purdue lost by more than 50 percentage points. that was a complete repudiation not just of purdue, but of trump. he didn't go into georgia during the general election and there's no expectation for that reason that he won't go into georgia for this runoff. you might be asking when was the last time donald trump respected the wishes of those who are asking for him to come or not come or endorse or not endorse because of the political realities. that is true. but in this case, the source says he seems to understand where he stands in georgia. >> yeah, hasn't had much luck in georgia at any level. tia, president obama will campaign with senator warnock this week, but what does it say that the current leaders of both party, because president biden's not going for senator warnock either. what does it say that he's not going down there? >> yeah. i think it's you know, kind of
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similar to what president trump and walker are facing on one side. president biden and warnock are facing on the other side. walker in the republicans have made this race in a lot of ways a referendum on biden. they want to, they say warnock is too aligned with biden. he votes with biden too often. we need to replace him in the senate with someone who's going to challenge bide and keep biden in check. so i think in a lot of ways, they don't think biden would be helpful. at the end of the day, the democratic base, there are other surrogates like obama who can get the base fired up without bringing biden down to remind perhaps the moderate voters, those swing voters, those persuadable conservative voters that like the president isn't very popular right now. so i think that's why they've also asked biden to stay away.
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>> you heard biden talking about governor kemp. what impact do you think he will have in this runoff? do you think he will be of substantial help to walker? >> i think kemp is of help. is it substantial enough to get walker to 50%? we'll find out on election day, but he can help because kemp had over 200,000 more votes than walker. so what they're hoping is that kemp kind of encourages people to give walker another chance. to say if you like me, if you trust me, my candidate is herschel walker. i need you to show up and vote for him. they're trying to help, they want kemp to help pull herschel walker along and that may, you know, that may permit some voters who are hesitant about walker to support him. >> and can you talk about the stakes here? why is this one seat important given that the democrats will
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have control of the senate either way? >> well, that's an important point. the last one you made there. that this isn't going to determine who has the balance, who's in control. it won't determine the balance of power like it did in january of 2021. but while that is true, it is also true, and we have seen this time and time again, a couple of things. number one, every single vote in the senate matters. particularly when it is so razor thing and there are some democrats who the party leadership can't rely on depending on the issue and same goes for republican leaders. so that's a reality. and the other is a little bit more mundane, but it really does have import when you're talking about a republican-run house, which is the make up of each of the committees. yes, we already know that the democrat will have the gavel, but if they have one more seat,
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if they get warnock back in the senate, then they will a little bit more breathing room on these committees. particularly those that will be trying to fend off investigations and other things that house republicans are going to be doing on the other side of the capitol. >> another thing i like to point out, being a senator is not a tempe temp job. each race has long-term impact. great to have you on. a teenager's family is dead after police say she was cat fished online. this is a deeply twisted case where the suspect, the suspect was in law enforcement. it's also a cautionary tale. we have details ahead.
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police say a triple homicide in california is tied to the cat fishing of a teenager online. a former virginia state trooper is also dead. he's the suspect killed in a shootout with police. a story that's deeply twisted and very disturbing. >> police say the call came in just after 11:00 friday morning asking for a welfare check after a 15-year-old girl appears to be distressed was seen near a car with a man.
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>> house on fire. >> then while officers were responding to the scene, more calls to 911. but this time about a fire in the same neighborhood. >> they found three people deceased inside the house. >> the three victims, the girl's mother and grandparents. >> we had the grandmother, grandfather, and mother of this teen murdered by the suspect who traveled from across the country for most likely would be the sexual exploitation of this teenager. >> according to law enforcement, this is a case of cat fishing. a situation where someone pretends to be a different person than they are for the purpose of someone exploiting another person. the suspect, 28-year-old austin lee edwards, developed an online relationship with the teen then traveled across the country from virginia to riverside, california, to find her. >> we do know there was some direct messaging, text messages, going on. >> the suspect turned out to be
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in law enforcement. a person who was going through orientation to be a patrol officer with the washington county sheriff's department just four days before the murders. and was a former virginia state trooper, according to police. more than two hours after edwards drove off with the teenage girl, police tracked them and says edwards fired shots at sheriffs deputies during a pursuit. when he lost control of the vehicle, the teenager fled the car and edwards pointed a gun at the sheriff's helicopter before deputies shot and killed him. >> this is just a very tragic example of how dangerous those interactions can be. >> the teenager in this case was unharmed and placed in protective custody. according to police who say they now worry edwards may have cat fished others. >> it's hard to believe someone who's going to travel all the way across the country, kill a grandfather, grandmother, and mother of the teenager he's
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trying to sexually exploit, that he hasn't engaged in similar type of behavior before. >> camilla joins us now from riverside. what an awful story. do we know how this girl is doing and has she been able to tell authorities anything more about what happened? >> it really is tragic. we know that this teenager is okay. this 15-year-old is still with child protective services. and police telling me kyes, she was able to talk to them and corroborate a lot of the information they put out, but they're also telling me they're being extremely careful with her because they say this is probably the most traumatic experience she's ever going to live through. so they don't want to put too much on her plate. they say they definitely want to talk to her again. >> and the fact that the suspect up until last month was a virginia state trooper, it's all the more shocking. were there any warning signs missed that we know about? >> well, riverside police says
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that no warning signs on their end, but it's why they're working with authorities in virginia to try to see if they missed something along the way. the sheriff in washington county, virginia, saying he reached out to previous employers, called them, and nothing came back negative, so what they're saying is that they hired him and now the sheriff saying he's in shock. >> thank you so much for that reporting. up next, we're going to take you to the front lines in eastern ukraine where russia claims to have a city surrounded despite their humiliating withdrawal from many areas in recent weeks. even when you're not working. a plan that includes all your accounts so you can enjoy whateverer comes next. that's the planning effect. from fidelity. the holidays were awkward for romeo and juliet. but after saving big with amazon cyber mony... ...tragedy was avoided.
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international correspondent, matthew chance. matthew, what do we know about who holds bakhmut. do ukrainians or russians have the upperhand here? >> reporter: i was up on the outskirts of bakhmut earlier today, and i had the opportunity to speak to several commanders on the ground to look at the maps, to look at the live feeds from the drones they have in the air to survey the situation. the town is not encircled yet, but that appears to be the efforts the military are heading towards. there's fierce fighting going on in the center of bakhmut. the russians are approaching from the north and the east. the ukrainians still hold -- sorry, the east side. the ukrainians still hold the north and the west. but that situation is very dynamic. again, fierce fighting.
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dozens of people every day being killed on both sides, according to the ukrainian officials that i spoke to, john. >> matthew, why is control so important? why is control of bakhmut so important? >> well, that's a good question because it's, you know, not a particularly strategic town, given that much of the rest of the area has already been taken back by ukrainian forces. but i think that, you know, from an internal russian point of view, there is a sort of political battle underway. the majority of the fighting in bakhmut is being undertaken by the mercenary group, wagner, not the main russian army. and i think that internally, wagner want to show that they can win battles at a time when the russian military is having to retreat from territory elsewhere in ukraine. so, i think that's one of the reasons why so many resources on
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the russian side are being, you know, plowed in to achieving some kind of victory in bakhmut. >> what about from the ukrainian side? what are the main challenges that they're facing defending this territory? >> well, they're facing, first of all, incessant attacks by the russians. one commander told me earlier today that the tactic from the russians seems to be throwing in 20 men at a time. when those men are killed, throwing in another 20. and that's happening 24 hours a day seven days a week. and that's obviously having a big impact on the ukrainians as well. they're having to consistently fight. in addition to that, they're in artillery range from the russian side. and the weather is getting absolutely freezing in this part of ukraine. it is mud on the ground. it's wet. it's damp. it's miserable. it's cold. these are the challenges that they're facing defending that town right now. >> matthew chance near the front lines, please stay safe, my friend. thank you very much.
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