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as you well know, protesting is a fundamental right at least in this country. we may not all agree about how it's done and sometimes it can get out of hand or be hijacked, but it's everyone's right in this country. that's not the case in so many other countries right now like in china where thousands of people are risking their lives, protesting the government's oppressive zero covid policy in what may be the most widespread
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demonstration since tiananmen square in 1989. people are chanting we want freedom. many very poignantly are holding blank sheets of paper, their way of subtly protesting without being accused of writing or displaying messages deemed illegal by their own government. in iran hundreds of people have been killed amid the regime's brutal crackdown against peaceful protesters. brave iranians have been taking to the streets more than two months demanding freedom and women's rights in one of the most significant and consequential challenges to the islamic republic since at least the 1979 revolution. what is all of what i've just described have to do with the world cup? we'll talk about it. i want to bring in cnn global affairs appear list susan glasser, cnn politics reporter and editor-at-large chris cillizza and sports editor christine brennan.
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i'm glad you're all here looking at this. when i first saw the blank pieces of paper, for some reason that was so impactful and really touched me and thinking about in some instances the luxury we take for granted being able to redress grievances and people truth to power and just to have this image of people holding it up as this silent and voiceless, oppressed population, it meant something. what did you think of it? >> i'm so glad that you brought that up because i've been thinking about that all day. it's a brilliant symbol of protests and sadly, one that's become almost universal in our time because actually there was someone who was literally dragged away from red square by the authorities earlier this year protesting russia's illegal invasion of ukraine. what was he doing? he was holding up a blank piece of paper. in fact, in hong kong in the protests where there were thousands and thousands of
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people in the streets right before the covid pandemic, same thing, the blank piece of paper. i feel like it's become this sort of new universal gesture and it speaks to this sort of orwellian moment that we're living in, doesn't it? >> it really does. >> i'm struck by it and i'm thinking of it as it relates to iran and the world cup and controversy over taking the symbol off of the flag and social media post and what that's caused. >> we have a comparison, the original flag compared to what was actually changed by u.s. soccer. go ahead. >> i would just recommend to people a book that is not new but is really fitting for this moment called "how soccer explains the world." it's a fascinating book that talks about how soccer and the dna of soccer sort of prefigures what kind of country they are. the germans play an order,
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industrious manner of soccer. the brazilians play a loose beautiful game and you can't think of the images coming out of iran and me thinking of the iran/u.s. game tomorrow. that is a lot more than just a game. it means more than that. >> it does. christine, we can think back to i think it was 1998 when you had iran play the u.s. soccer team and there was this infamous moment where obviously nations with tension and they're handing over white roses from the iranian soccer team to the american players as a moment of trying to bridge and give some peace. now you've got last night calls for the u.s. to be suspended, thrown out of the world cup because of something that the players did not do. what did you make of that? >> this is keeping in my
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opinion with what u.s. soccer and the men's soccer team has been doing, which is much more than soccer. these are title ix males, the ones who a few months ago actually gave up some money so that the women's team obviously more famous, more successful, could actually have equal pay. these are very different young men. they aren't like their dads or grandfathers and they are very comfortable talking about these issues while they're playing the game that they love. u.s. soccer, for example, has a rainbow shield. red, white and blue is on the uniform, but the rainbow shield in honor, of course, of lgbtq rights, a very big issue in qatar, the most nation, that is being displayed in the team hotel, at team parties and other things like that. so the u.s. men's national team, u.s. soccer have really from the get-go wanted this to be about more than soccer. obviously now it is a big controversy. no one is kicking the united states out of the world cup.
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fifa needs the united states and those tv ratings, but it does present an incredible table ua. >> there was an article about the author wanting the u.s. to win, but wanted iran to stay and play because every time they were playing there was a conversation, susan, about what was going on in iran about the protests, about women and many of them very young and teenagers fighting for think very lives and the opportunity to even be contemplated as equal. >> this is a platform and because this is the world cup captivates so many millions of people around the world. of course, it's a stage that it's irresistible for people who have a cause. it's really struck to connect the china and iran conversation
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that there are reports of censoring images, so the people in china literally locked down in their apartment blocks now in the third year of this pandemic wouldn't see images of unmasked fans. again, the altering of reality to shape your authoritarian political environment and can you use this moment to punch through? tomorrow i think that iran/u.s. game will be something like that. i did notice today white house chief of staff ron klain is on the record predicting it's going to be a 4-1 outcome. >> bold. >> chris is the expert on this, but that seems like a lot of goals. >> this is like my dream segment, coming on cnn talking about soccer. i was like wait, seriously? is this a prank? >> we even made the ted lasso biscuits for you. >> excellent. the other thing i think is important to mention here is the setting where the world cup is happening, qatar, right?
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and its rights record and christine touched on this, its views on homosexuality. i think anytime we can have that conversation when the eyes of the world are on it, it's impactful and important. i think we shouldn't lose that either, that the setting of this whole thing matters, too and the setting of this whole thing is political. people say oh, i want my sports, no politics. sorry. that's the how it works. >> the treatment of migrant workers who actually built the stadium as well and reports of loss of life and going on and i want tounder score the point raised here because it's not a light thing to think about what's happening, the protests in china, the idea of being so frustrated and exhausted about the zero covid policy. there's a lot of life. an apartment building was caught on fire because of lockdown provisions, the first responders couldn't get to people in time to save their lives and now you've got this international stage event and the idea they're staying hold on, we're being told one thing
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in china, but there's a largely maskless audience right now. that they can't reconcile. >> exactly. how about go back nine months, the olympics in china. i was in beijing a month. so to see what beijing was able to pull off, it was, of course, this covid zone that literally closed loop the covid tests every day down our throat. if you did test positive, a journalist or athletes and a few unfortunately the athletes did, you would go into quarantine somewhere. one athlete didn't even know where he was. so china was in the news then. the point you made a few moment ago about the spotlight shining on these places, especially in sporting events, these huge international sporting events, the human rights issues in china, we brought them up all the time. there's the positive in the negative, right? it's such a terrible thing beijing was hosting another olympics, but the positive was the world got a chance to discuss those issues. >> it is important to note it tells you something about the
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way in which these decisions are made by these international organizations. why on earth is this event in qatar right now? the questions around the governance of these international sports associations, why is beijing and russia being given olympics again and again? >> and the world cup. >> and the world cup, exactly. >> it is money, period. >> your country has such a long established thing. politics is embedded in this. unfortunately we've been giving the stage and our athletes and our money and our corporations have been participating in puffing up these authoritarian countries and then we're shocked to discover that there's human rights abuses there. >> the next men's world cup will be the united states, mexico and canada and the olympics now, summer olympics, will be paris in 2024 and los
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angeles in 2028. so at least there's a little hope there. >> that's good news. unfortunately speaking of politics and having the forum and platform to do good, i do have some sad breaking news to report tonight. congressman donald mckeachan of virginia has passed away at just age 61 after a years long battle with cancer, his office saying he fought colorectal cancer since 2013. he was first elected to represent the fourth district of virginia on november 8th, 2016. he is survived by his wife collette and three adult children. we'll be right back. t coug! mucinex dm gives you 12 hours of relief from chest congestion and any type of cough, day or night. mucinex dm. it's comeback season. when we started selling my health products online
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dinner at mar-a-lago with nick fuentes, a white nationalist and holocaust denier, interesting since a lot of members of the president's party have been reluctant through the last years to call out many of his misdeeds and his constant gas lighting. that word i said, gas lighting, coincidentally, merriam-webster has chosen that word, gas lighting, have i said it enough, as its word of the year for 2022 defining it as "the act or practice of grossly misleading someone, especially for one's own advantage." back with me now susan glasser and chris cillizza and karen feeney. first of all, i remember the gas lighting movie. i remember thinking about the
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movie and the premise, but this idea, this being the top word, i had to go back because part of me, a scene from it, a part of me was a little surprised that this is the first time it's been the most used. i went back and found the other words of the year just from a random year, 2016, and going up to 2022 and you had surreal for 2016, feminism 2017, justice 2018, they in 2019, pandemic in 2020, vaccine 2021 and here we are gaslighting. i wonder from your examples, have you all thought about the big moments that you think aha, this was gaslighting. this is the moment that really captures it? smart man who said that i was not. >> thank you so much, laura. look, i went with a really obvious one, but donald trump in the 2020 election, i mean he
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continues. i'm on his email list, i don't know how i got on it, but i'm on his email list, repeatedly every day he sends things out still as a candidate for the 2024 presidential race. he sends things out about how the election was stolen and not just the 2020 election. now he's onto maricopa county in arizona. the thing that worries me about inherent in gaslighting is if one person is saying it, okay. if one person believes it, not great, but okay, but we're talking about 50 to 60% of the republican party who believes the 2020 election by all measures that was a free and fair election was stolen. that is a massive gaslight donald trump is the foundation of his 2024 bid is being built on that. so i went a little obvious, but to me it's the one that jumped out. >> one of the ones i thought of was after charlottesville when he said good people on both sides and there were lots of people who tried to defend that
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position and it does make you think kind of going to the less obvious, racism and sexism in general is a form of gaslighting. think about when you were watching a movie from the '70s and talking about women as the weaker sex and emotional. i'm like, yes, we were gaslit to believe that about ourselves until we started to say wait, i'm not crazy. you're crazy. >> of course, that point you raise because remember, it's also about especially misleading someone for one's own advantage. who does it benefit? those who want you to believe to keep them in power. susan? >> that's right. what's the distinction between gaslighting and just plain old lying? >> yes. >> when you talk about the 2020 election, chris, when we went down to mar-a-lago to interview donald trump for our recent book, he sat there. he looked us in the eye and i expected him to say rigged election, restricted election, which he did, but i was really struck by this comment in particular as an example of gaslighting, he said, "you know, the real insurrection at
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the capitol wasn't on january 6th. it was on november 3rd, 2020. that was an insurrection and january 6th was just a protest." to me that's like taking the lie about the election and putting a spin on it and saying no, actually this other thing is the insurrection and the insurrection is not the insurrection. i do have a bonus one because i was thinking about this. do you remember the 2018 midterm elections and what were the republicans and donald trump running on? they were running on the idea that the united states was being invaded by a caravan of hordes of like illegal migrants who were going to storm into the country. don't believe the truth. believe what i tell you is the truth. the caravans, the coverage, the hysteria disappeared literally the day after the election. >> quickly on that, i still remember i think it was 2017, might have been 2018 -- everything kind of blends
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together for me in that period of time -- donald trump gave a speech to veterans of foreign wars in which he said something like -- i'm paraphrasing -- but don't believe what you see. don't believe what you hear. only believe what i tell you. >> exactly. >> i mean if you don't have a better example of gaslighting than that, literally what you're seeing and hearing isn't actually what's happening. only i can tell you what's happening. it's remarkable. >> obviously many engage in gaslighting which is why it can become effective at the scale it is. i'm struck by the fact there is a theme in trump, in part because i'm wondering if gaslighting has become effective because of the platform and the messenger. it used to be don't kill the messenger. now you add a level of gravitas and possibility because it's coming from the person we call leader of the free world. >> he took it to a whole new art form, right? >> yes. >> if you think about it, it was really post 2016 we were
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talking about gaslighting, talking about not just lying, but the fact that, yes, he was telling people what i'm going to tell you on my twitter feed is the real truth. >> that's right. >> he would tweet something. the white house would put a different statement out, but he would always say no, no. that's the thing to watch for. he really took it to a whole new place. >> just in case you're curious and, of course, you are, there are other top words of 2022. >> oh, i have a favorite of these. >> oligarch, omicron, codify, lgbtqia, sentient. my favorite is queen, crown consort, loamy, raid. >> they had bloke one day.
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i was like okay, that's wonderful. >> did you ever get it in one? >> i won't admit i didn't on air. no, i didn't. >> that's just dumb luck. >> i'm surprised wordle wasn't one. >> it is fine, everyone. i'm glad to know these words are here because it does encourage me to think people are following it the news, looking the words up and becoming a more informed electorate and that is the most important aspect. we joke around about the value and how words matter, but they really, really do. you mention gaslighting versus lying. there's a story out right now i think is so heartbreaking because of lies that were apparently told to the parents of a young woman who was killed while on vacation in mexico. she is from north carolina. there are a lot of questions about what exactly led to her death. now mexican prosecutors are
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very different story. they say robinson died as a result of a spinal injury sustained in a "direct attack." her death certificate also classifies her death as accidental or violent noting the approximate time between injury and death as just 15 minutes. in recent weeks you may have seen a viral video appears to show a physical altercation between robinson and another person. it's unclear when the video was taken and cnn is deliberately not showing the video as it is very disturbing and only shows a small portion of what has happened. now mexican authorities are seeking to extradite one of robinson's friends on the trip and i hate even using the word friends here given the things that we are saying right now, but that person has been called a friend is a suspect in the case. robinson's mother spoke with cnn earlier today saying the fbi has reached out to the family but hasn't been able to
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share very many details. she also described her final conversation with her beloved daughter, shanquella. >> when i spoke with her, she seemed to be pretty happy, you know. she was laughing and talking and saying chef was getting ready to cook them some tacos and i said well, okay, enjoy yourself. love you. i will talk to you tomorrow and i never spoke with her again. >> it's heartbreaking to hear that. for more i want to bring in senior cnn law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe. andrew, i'm really glad you're here because this story, it's so disturbing, what's happened to this young woman. >> yeah, it is. >> i've seen this viral video. i am a mother and i just cannot imagine what that would have been like for her in that room, let alone for her family to hear about what may have happened. when we hear about who might be
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held responsible, my immediate thought goes to extradition and how that works. can you help elaborate what that would look like, a u.s. citizen extradited to mexico. is that possible? >> it is possible. i would say it's maybe even likely under this scenario. so let's remember that any nation would conduct their own investigation as the mexican authorities have done here. they have an indictment. unfortunately that indictment only allows them to arrest people inside mexico. they believe that the person they're seeking is in the united states. so they make an extra an extradition request to the united states. there's some things that they'll have to prove or assert in their application. they'll have to show this person is to be extradited to face a crime that is also a serious crime in the united states. it's not a political persecution of some sort. they also have to put a lot of facts in that request to make a
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prima fascia case that shows they have a good likelihood of proving the case against this person. under those circumstances, i think extradition might very well happen in this case. >> we've done this before with drug arrests. this is common practice in terms of being able to extradite. >> that's right. >> the fact these are two young citizens, young shanquella and the other thought to be extradited, is there a federal law involved when you're talking about a u.s. citizen committing a crime against another u.s. citizen abroad? >> there is. 18usc 1119 is a federal statute that makes it a crime for a u.s. person to kill another u.s. person in a foreign location, but the trick here that is murder is only prosecuted as the federal level when that murder was committed in conjunction with another federal crime. typically the united states doesn't step in and prosecute someone for committing a murder
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overseas if it was just a simple homicide. in fact, they won't prosecute in the united states if the foreign government has shown an inclination or a willingness to prosecute it locally which we can assume has happened here because they've filed an extradition request. >> could the u.s. be a bit of a backstop? the way federal prosecutions usually act, the idea if a foreign government decides or they may fail in their prosecution for whatever reason. >> that's right. >> we have double jeopardy here, of course, where you cannot have two bites at the proverbial apple and charged twice with the same crime if there's a failure to convict or otherwise, but i wonder in the sense of two different countries, if mexico says you know what, here not going to prosecute, is it likely the u.s. could say never mind if they have a federal hook? >> i think it's possible. you're describing the possibility of a u.s. prosecution as a backstop is a good way to characterize it.
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i think it's likely for even political reasons because extradition requests are unavoidably political. so we typically file extradition requests and have been very successful getting high level criminals from mexico returned to the united states for drug cartel leaders and drug kingpins and things like that. now the mexicans have made that request of us. i think to some degree politically we're in a tight spot here. we'll have to stand up and deliver on our side of the extradition treaty bargain. however, if that prosecution fails in mexico, double jeopardy would likely not prohibit the u.s. from going forward with their own prosecution here because of the concept of separate sovereign. that's always the same idea that allows the federal government to prosecute a crime in the united states after a state government has prosecuted the same crime. they're separate sovereigns. that's not prohibited. >> the right person to talk about this really unfortunate tragedy and i'm sure you'll be
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looking ahead why the role of this video, the evidence that may be contained in it, who saw it, who sent it, who failed to intervene, who might be accessories after the fact. >> how much evidence is embedded in that video. it's going to show who owns the device that it was taken on, time, place, location. all that information is embedded in that digital file. this thing is a forensic goldmine. >> so is your book. it's called "the threat." it's a really great one. with all the information now and the idea of your expertise being able to be read as well, i we appreciate it so much. >> thanks, laura. >> thank you. we'll be right back, everyone.
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remember this warning from jeff bezos of all people, one of the world's wealthiest people? >> if we're not in a recession right now, we're likely to be in one very soon. my advice to people, small business owners, is take some risk off the table. if you're an individual and anything about buying a new, you know, large screen tv, maybe slow that down. keep that cash. see what happens. >> too late, but it was a good deal. that's okay, but it seems many americans aren't listening because this black friday broke records even amid rampant inflation and a looming
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recession. shoppers spent more than $9 billion in online black friday sales. that's a 2.3% increase from the year before and driving the surge? electronics, smart home equipment, toys and this wasn't me, exercise gear, but maybe other people bought that. back with me now susan glasser, chris cillizza and karen finney. you all laugh, but my peloton is now a hanger. i can't help it. i tried i was really there for a really long time, but i wonder first are you surprised at all about the amount people are spending? we have gotten so many warnings about our economy. what do you think? >> but remember black friday started on like tuesday night of last week. >> prethanksgiving. >> instead of being a 48 hour cycle, it was like five days and actually last night i was online in anticipation of cybermonday and it was saying black friday ends in ten hours.
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i thought okay. so i'm good. there's going to be a deal here. >> it's like an election day. >> election week. >> it's a season. >> what were you buying? >> i was trying to decide if i wanted to buy a new bag. i was trying to see if there were deals of then you go down a rabbit hole and start to think if i get this, i need that and what else is on sale? anyway, i do think i'm not surprised the amount is so large given if we're talking about four or five days. it certainly makes a lot more sense and it means the marketing tactic works. >> i saw a story on cnn.com today that said the 518 best cybermonday deals. i was like by the time i get through the list, it won't be cybermonday anymore. so i think there is an element
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of spending and everyone getting their christmas lights up early. i shouldn't say everyone, everyone in my neighborhood except for me has their christmas lights up, as my wife pointed up. i do think there's a desire to get back to "normal." 2020 was effectively lost. we were right in the teeth of the pandemic. 2021 we forget, but it was omicron and sort of everyone had it speaking met metaphorically and even in the tradition of spending too much money and having to, you know, pay your credit card back the rest of the year because you spent your money, i do think there's an element of that. i was in new york city for thanksgiving and the amount of money in schwartz i was in, rockefeller center, stunning to me how much. i think people are in the mood
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to get back to normal and spending on this black friday week is part of that. >> that was you in the viral video doing the little keeper on the floor? >> just for the record, there was a line to do that. >> you were in it. >> my 10-year-old wanted to do it and he got on there and did the gritty, the dance. >> yeah, i'm familiar. >> yes. he did the gritty on there. people are like applauding. i was like this is great. he's going to be a showman, a circus performer because he's like thrilled. >> susan, you in the gritty, did you do it? i'm just kidding. >> i have waited on that line before. the segment is making me anxious because i'm a procrastinator. so instead of doing my last minute shopping on black monday here i am having a conversation about it. i could be buying stuff now on my phone. >> still got 15 minutes. >> the one thing is i'm not convinced. we'll see how the numbers shake
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out, but there is the element of consumers adjusting their behavior and actually at a moment when people are anxious about inflation and rising prices. if they're seeking deals, they may be simply shifting more of their spending to this week long period thinking any items they were contemplating, do it now while it's on sale. >> there is a trend of more of the buy now, pay later programs of they're buying more gift cards as well trying to have a fixed budget how to allocate their money. i'm still surprised at jeff bezos. >> that's how you know you're richer than you need to be when you own a commerce company and say hey, maybe don't spend that much money. >> how much longer till he raises his prices? everyone stay with me. we're coming back in a few moments and up next, a new analysis of who is joining twitter and who may be leaving
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8,000 followers and democrats lost 4,000. they also analyzed data from propublica's represent tool which tracks congressional twitter activity. as an example, they had senator elizabeth warren, adam schiff and bernie sanders all lost about 100,000 twitter followers. marjorie taylor greene, jim jordan, congress persons from ohio and georgia respectively, gained more than 300,000 each. does that surprise you? what does it say? >> not really because i think two things are happening. one, conservatives are flocking back to twitter under their belief elon musk is more aligned with their views. i'll say elon musk has said he would likely support ron desantis, governor of florida, for president. at the same time a lot of democrats who are unhappy with how musk is running this and unhappy with his politics are abandoning the site. so you're getting both things happening at the same time. i think it's a double whammy. >> given erratic behavior, i've seen lots of posts of people
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saying here's where you can find me when twitter crashes and burns. >> when it ends. >> i do think that's the other thing is people are decreasing their usage, but the other thing that's happening i think we have to take into consideration, given that the sort of guardrails have been taken off of twitter, as you said, more republicans flocking to twitter and the kinds of people who might have, if you're doing hate speech, what might have been classified as hate speech, or out of bounds previously is now okay. those are folks who want to hear what marjorie taylor green has to say, frankly. >> i'm wondering if you guys have decreased your usage as a result of what's happening? >> i think so. i think there's such a concern again at any moment this thing has become perilous. you fired all the staff like nobody knows if there's a major technical challenge, what's going to happen to this platform. there's been . >> or security of your data.
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>> absolutely. look, twitter was a polluted public space before. it's now become more polluted, but i'm thinking about its importance and utility as, you know, a part of our public political discourse. >> absolutely. >> right? like it's the classic thing like if it doesn't exist, we'd have to invent it. i know there are various attempts to do that. there's a new startup post where i think they have a waiting list of like 150,000 people. you have people talking about this other platform mastodon, but then that's too complicated. the problem is it has become many things, but one of things that twitter is a very invaluable tool for the spreading of realtime information. i'm thinking about following the war in ukraine and all the people posting there and it's invaluable to see what's happening in realtime. protesters in iran are bypassing using vpns in order
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to get on twitter in order to communicate to get the message out. this is i think the thing that's at risk by what appears to be this vanity exercise on the part of, you know, a wealthy man with a twitter habit. >> as susan was talking, i wrote down this is sort of how i feel, you can't live with it. you can't live without it in some way. that's sort of the relationship i feel i have with it. the toxicity, elon musk didn't invent the toxicity on twitter. it's been there. i think he's given more leeway for that to grow. >> yeah. >> but the thing that i was thinking about how my usage has changed is i'm more wary of everything that's out there because of the questions about verification. it just seems as a journalist is this actually fill-in-the- blank congressman? is this actually mitt romney who released a statement or something that looks a lot like
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mitt romney? it's made me even more wary of is this information good? to susan's point, you do use it as an in the moment information source. it takes away from that a little bit. >> justifiably so, everyone. guess what? this conversation is not going to be over. i have a feeling it will continue in the days to come, but thank you for watching. our coverage continues. rana . then, gertrude found something for it. delsym. and now what's going around is 12-hour cough relief. and the giggles. and the great dane pup. and grandma's gluten-free gooseberry pie. which is actually pretty great. the family that takes delsym together, feels better together. and try new delsym no mess vapor roll-on for cough. in two seconds, eric will realize they're gonna need more space... gotta sell the house. oh...open houses. or, skip the hassles and sell with confidence to opendoor. wow. request a cash offer at opendoor.com
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