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convictions on the most serious attacks on the capitol and the 2020 election. there's that as well as the south carolina supreme court ordering former white house chief of staff mark meadows to testify before the georgia grand jury investigating his former boss. first more on the convictions including two counts of seditious conspiracy on the so call five oath keepers. now from washington, sara, what's the latest? >> reporter: it can't be overstated. this was an historic day in an historic trial. that's because this charge of sedition conspiracy, along with many of the other charges they face is significant, it is rare, and the heaviest charge we've really seen in these january 6th cases. there is the first time that the doj, the federal prosecutors, tried a case where sedition

conspiracy was one of the charges. what ended up happening is two of the five people charged were found guilty. one of the five, he is the founder and leader of the oath keepers. stewart rhodes iii was found guilty of seditious conspiracy, as was kelly meggs, one of the lieutenants as prosecutors put it, and also, ang oath deeper himself. he, too, was found guilty. this was not a clean sweep for the prosecution. of the five, only two were found guilty. it is a very, very rare charge. it is a very hard charge to get people to rally around and see with mountains of evidence. i cannot tell you how much evidence the jury had to look at

and listen to. there were several other charges and one was obstructing an official proceeding. there was a hodgepodge of decisions. in this particular charge, obstructing an official proceeding, all five members, all five defendants were found guilty. and the reason why that is significant is because that, just like seditious conspiracy, carries up to a 20-year maximum prison sentence. so they are all now facing that kind of potential time in prison, john. >> so you were at court today and there were people in attendance waiting for this outcome. >> absolutely true. officer harry dunn testified in this trial. and one of the reasons why he testified was that there was some talk by the defense that the oath keepers actually helped him when they, you know, stormed into the capitol while he was in the capitol trying to defend

nancy pelosi's office, while he was trying to defend the capitol itself. and he testified they did not do such a thing. he was sitting in a front row. he was emotional. he said, look, it was emotional. and i didn't expect to cry in there. i am appreciative to the jury and the justice department. and i will make one more important note here, john. the judge in this case, he had a very, very tight rein on his courtroom. it was a very long trial, a very grueling trial. the attorneys for the defense came forward and praised him in a way i haven't seen in a long time. now, the reason why this is significant, obviously, is because these attorneys are here defending people who were very strong proponents of donald trump. the judge was appointed by president obama. and it goes to show you, as the judge said, this is how the american public should view the

justice system. the justice system worked in the ways it was supposed to work and it is a wonderful example of the american way. >> you spent a lot of time covering this trial in that courtroom. thank you very much. joining us now, the legal analyst, former senior justice department officials. also, senior law enforcement analyst and former fbi deputy, andrew mccabe and gloria borger. i want to start with you. i want to read this statement for you. he said breaking the law in an attempt to undermine the functioning of american democracy will not be tolerated. the statement went on to say, we will continue to hold accountable those who engage in illegal acts in the siege on the u.s. capitol. how big a win is this for the justice department? >> it is a huge win. you can't overstate how huge it is. it was a controversial st. louis

as to whether or not they would bring the charge of sedition conspiracy. they took the bold move. they really let it hang out there and took the chance of losing on such a political charge. it is huge for them. it is a very big deal strategically for the cases that will follow because the convictions on seditious conspiracy with the long sentence that's may come with them could motivate some of these folks, like you look at kelly meggs, for example, who by my count, all the charges he faced. he'll have a great incentive now to potentially cooperate in some of the other cases like the proud boys case or the other oath keepers case coming down the road. so this will have far consequences, far beyond today. and hopefully, send that message that director ray mentioned. that is the most important thing, that people understand that this sort of conduct will not be tolerated.

so there is the first time a guilty verdict has been rented ordered a sedition charge. the doj took some heat for bringing the charges in the first place. >> yeah. this is a win for doj in terms of the decision to move forward with the prosecution in a politically sensitive case. but it is more important than that. this is a big win for the rule of law. we are almost two years later from the events of january 6th, and the process worked. the justice department conducted an incentive investigation. they decided to bring the cases. they felt they had the evidence and now we have this really, a charge where the law, a law that's not used often, matched the particular facts of what happened on january 6th, 2021. so this places january 6th in its proper historical context.

>> what about the larger political impact here? particularly when you consider those who tried to diminish this over time. it was just a tourist visit. these charges were so small. seditious conspiracy isn't so small. >> it's a very important charge. they managed to convict two of the oath keepers. it is hugely important. it is also important to look at the way the jury did this. you can't say, oh, this was a witch lunlt by a democratic jury in washington, d.c. these are people who sat for seven weeks and poured over testimony for three days, and when they were done, they didn't convict all or acquit all. they went person by person by person. as a political reporter i was thinking, it reminds me of the

mid-term elections. what we saw was people looking for candidates. they vote for republican for governor, a democrat for senator, and people made decisions based on what they saw and heard. and will that's what we saw the jury do. and i think that's important for the american public to see. >> a political reporter, all you see. elections and choices in everything. i can say that. elliott, stewart rhodes didn't actually enter the capitol on january 6th. he was on capitol grounds. talk about the larger impact of what that might mean for the greater investigation here. >> it is as if you went to law school. that's a question right out of first year criminal law. how one is charged and convicted of conspiracy. there has to be an agreement between two parties and what is called an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy. you have to agree to do and it take a step to do it.

he didn't have to step foot on the capitol for what was called a bloody revolution, stashing weapons in virginia, across the border, and on and on and on. organizing strike teams to come into the capitol. so no, one need not have set foot on the capitol. if you're the one, the puppeteer pulling the strings, and directing people, absolutely, you could be charged. frankly, any of those individuals could have been convicted based on their level of communication with rhodes and others there. frankly, the other defendants ought to be thanking their lucky stars that they were not convicted. based on the level of communication. even if you weren't at the capitol that day, you should be scared because you could be convicted of a crime. >> no, i didn't go to law school but i spend a lot of time with you guys. you spent a long time in the fbi

working against different extremist groups. what kind of plimpact might thi have across the country? >> we hope that it will have a very logical and impactful impression upon them. the messages that this, you can't just follow your own nonsensical view of the constitution. ignore criminal law, federal law, state law, and take your own grievances and express them by wreaking violence possible your fellow citizens in our democratic process. that will not be tolerated. the justice department will come after you, no malter how hard the case is. we saw that today. and you'll be suffering some severe consequences. so hopefully, it will have a chilling effect on the message and the methods of recruiting and bringing more people and support into this extremist movement that we see growing. >> it will be fascinating to see

where this goes next. thank you all for being with us tonight. let's get more on mark meadows and the court ruling that makes him the latest in a long line of people in the president's circle to have tried and failed to avoid giving testimony to the georgia grand jury, attempting to overturn the 2020 election there. sarah murray has the latest and is with us now. why was mark meadows trying to fight the subpoena? what do prosecutors in georgia want to know from him? >> well, it's in south carolina. that's where it was playing out. he had argued it was executive privilege issues. and the kind of proceeding in georgia, the south carolina supreme court said today that the arguments were manifestly without merit and he should have to testify. and prosecutors learned a lot from mark meadows. he was on that call where former president trump asked

raffensperger for the extra votes. he showed up in the audit sight. he was passing notes for voter fraud claims. there are a number of issues that prosecutors are hoping they will get to go over with mark meadows. in other trying to overthrow the election news, we learned that steven miller testified before the federal grand jury earlier today. the significance there. >> that's right. he was subpoenaed months ago. his appearance is significant because this is the first that we know of who showed up before the january 6th grand jury, since smith has taken over the investigation. we've said we didn't expect these investigations to pause or to lag at all under this oversight and i think this is more evidence of that. this is another person very close to former president trump. ahead of the speech that he gave

on january 6th, all of that is of interest to prosecutors. >> all right. thank you as always for prosecuting. still to come, the u.s. men's national team. 1-0 victory at the world cup. i will speak with someone who was at the match and the highlights and what's next for team usa in doja. and later, mysterious murders in idaho and what police say is hapappening behind the scscenes. i'i'm just happy i was able to pick this baby. good on ya! we'll drive you happy at carvana. the holidays were awkward for romeo and juliet. ♪ thankfully, amazont to bring the families to. ♪ shop legendary deals.

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pulisic, right there. the only goal in the match. a perfect set-up. christian scored and he was injured badly on the play. the men's team issued a statement on twitter saying he's been diagnosed with a pelvic contusion. he had to leave at halftime. the status is day the day but hugging teammates at the hotel is hopefully a good sign for sunday. iran did have its chances, including one low header the went just wide of the goal. i think we see that here first. that went wide of the goal right there. and then another shot that squeaked through the legs of the goalkeeper, matt turner, but was swept away by walker zimmerman. thank goodness he was there. from grant wall, at the stadium for the match and his podcast teammate, sacker analyst grant.

so this was a big win for the united states. i know how excited i was watching it in west chester. what was it like to be in the actual stadium when it was going on? >> it was crazy in a good way. the u.s. sends a lot of fans to the world cup so they were extremely loud. we're in a part of the world, we were in iran. so there were lots of iran fans in the stands. they were very loud. and you really felt like this was a classic world cup atmosphere. which is why i tell everybody, at some point go to a world cup. it is an amazing feeling. it feels like you're in the central of the universe. >> so what is your take on this? i just rhead from the twitter feed. this is the first time the u.s. had two shutouts since 1930. >> yes. and when you think about the way they set out to do it. in the first half, you get your

goal. you ask yourself the question, do you bunker in to defend in i thought they gave themselves the opportunity to get the second but then you realize, let's defend, and they did it for 40 minutes. none from open play. and it's with a variety of defenders. players who were criticized before the tournament. they were sensational. >> yeah. courageous, harrowing, defending down the stretch. so what does this mean for u.s. soccer? the u.s. has advanced to the group stage before. even to the quarterfinals once. this feels bigger, different in some way. >> you really feel like the u.s. was the most consistent team in this group. and they deserve to get to the round of 16. you also feel like it might not necessarily stop here. there's so much excitement because it's a young generation. the youngest starting lineup in the tournament at the world cup

of 32 team. they're fulfilling the expectations people had of them entering the tournament. the first world cup for all but one player on the u.s. team. i think there are some really engaging personalities on here. and they're a really good team them seem to really like each other. we haven't always seen that. >> and they're playing just good soccer. by any definition. anywhere in the world. so christian pulisic, there was just an announcement put out. that the injury he scored while scoring that dramatic goal is a pelvic contusion. ouch! that sounds painful. how big of a concern is this going forward? >> i don't think it is a massive concern because he posted a picture on his snapchat with a full fist pump saying i am not missing saturday. i guess the question is, to what degree will he be effective?

and josh's injury is of concern as well. what the manager has done is settled on, a group of ten players, maybe even 11. he knows they are his trusted guys and they're a huge part of it. so if pulisic can't go or the seekened by this, you have to have them available. that'll could come off the bench and fill the roll. how cool is it that a player who has been so heralded gets a chance to score the goal. >> looking ahead to saturday, it's against the netherlands. an historic soccer powerhouse predictions. >> you know, before the tournament started, i had the netherlands and the united states meeting in the round of 16. i picked the netherlands. and there are reasons for that. because i think about the

tremendous coach. virgil van dyke is a player you can build an entire team around. and their breakout star is cody who scored in every single game of this world cup so far. they're going to be a handful. and yet i don't feel like the netherlands has performed here as well as i expected they would. i don't think they're unbeatable. i think the u.s. will go into this game feeling like they have a realistic shot to win. they have a swagger about them. a confidence. is that i think it will be a really tough game. >> all right. how do they win in i would have said, 0-0 after 20. i think you look at the blue print that the u.s. employed in the game against england in terms of how they played against the ball. made it difficult for the netherlands, for england to play out in their usual passing style. they will have to do something

similar. from orchestrating the play and allowing his teammates to get into good position to stop goals. you trust in this u.s. defense. >> grant wall, chris, it's an honor to speak to you. your podcast, one of my favorites. i can't wait to hear it tomorrow morning. thank you both very much. >> thanks, john. ahead, repression, surveillance, intimidation. more on how chinese authorities are using the tactics to crush the rare protests we're witnessing across the communist nation.

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protests over china's zero covid policies have been sweeping the nation in a way the

country hasn't seen in decades. people have risen up on the streets or campuses in at least 17 cities there demonstrating against extremely strict lockdowns designed to stomp out outbreaks. it is called sabotage activities by hostile forces. hostile forces meaning protesters seeking freedom from oppression like having their cell phones confiscated under authoritarian rule. more now with an american living in china for four years, currently in shanghai, and cnn correspondent david culver is in los angeles but he lived and worked in china under the strict lockdowns and can speak to them first hand. as someone living in china during the lockdowns, what has it been like? what is the mood there? all right. i think he is frozen there. david, i can put the same question to you. you lived through 50 days of lik in china earlier this year. what kind of a toll does that

take? >> let's start with his connection there. that was something we dealt with. everything is a lot slower. this is part of the strategy, too. we're starting to see in certain parts of the city. i'm hearing from friends on the ground. there are japmmers where you don't get a selling signal. very convenient. you can't get messages and know what's going on. and you and i talked about. this i started to hear murmurings it was happening. you're seeing police on the streets in shanghai, in beijing, asking people, telling them. give me your phone. let me see the images on it. they want to delete those. so one of the things that sits on you. you're in the midst of the lockdowns. we were in 50 days in shanghai in a very couldnfined space.

it starts to mess with you. we were there only 50 days. you're heavily reliant on the government for everything from food to medicine and you have to make sure the supplies come in in some manner. some of my neighbors were very sick and trying to figure out how to carry on. they lock you into your home in many cases. we were just sealed with a piece of time. you need permission to not only step outside your home but then if you go either farther away from your compound, you would often not be allowed back in. >> there were the restrictions having to do with covid. and there is the erasing. trying to erase any record of these protests. how many can they shut out the rest of the world to the chinese people? i ask because we were talking about the world cup before. one of the thing you hear. the world cup games which people have been trying to watch in china. they see fans sitting in the

stands not wearing masks and they start to wonder, why is that happening there? not here? how complete are the restrictions? >> it's incredibly frustrating for those individuals who have access to being able to see outside of china. a lot of them have vpns on their phones so they can circumvent it to go around. they see the world has moved on, in many ways. china for at least a year, march 2020 onward, had it under these very strict lockdowns and these really draconian measures, keeping life flowing within china. we could travel domestically pretty well. you look at the outside world and all the death and destruction from covid and you say, okay, we're safe here. then you see the rest of the world moving past it. the west was trying to implement vaccinations, china was very slow on the rollout there.

china has continued to vilify the fivirus, too. they have manipulated saying this was an imported threat. it was late to foreigners. so those of houston were expats there were seen as a threat to spread the virus. so to say, maybe we can get past this. this is a challenging movement. their way of doing it is the way would you approach technology. let's try to erase the hard drive. human minds don't work that way. >> is there an off-ramp here? who has to take it? ultimately, is this a matter of one person -- hang on one second if you can. we were able to get him back by phone. if you can hear me, and he pointed out. interesting that your feed went down as you were trying to talk to us. but give us a sense.

mood in shanghai right now. >> yeah. thanks for having me. the mood is a bit -- a little subdued at the moment. partially, it has to do with mother nature running her course for the last couple days, our weather has turned rather nasty. so it has been subdued. and i think that has given the authorities a chance to enforce what they are looking to do. they're going to the people. they're looking at their phones. trying to delete things. and really crack down on it. does it feel to you that this is being contained? or do you still think that it might amp up the protests even more, from what you can see? >> it's hard to tell at the moment. partially because once they

start to crack down, things get a little more quiet. and due to the weather, it has quieted down. so i think there may be more happening. but again, it is kind of hard to tell. and for the most part, if you're not the in the area around anywhere the protests are happening, you kind of don't know that anything is going on. >> laren, thank you for bearing with us and joining us on the phone to give us a look from the streets of shanghai. really appreciate it. as always, david, thank you to you for all your reporting and insight. back here in the united states. fear still mounting in the idaho college town where four students were murdered two weeks ago. no suspects even named yet.

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a vigil will be held on campus tomorrow at the university of idaho for the four students tabbed to death more than two weeks ago. police have added four campus

patrols and 14 patrols for the general community with students returning from thanksgiving break. few clues have emerged but police say there is activity happening behind the scenes that the public isn't aware of. more now from veronica. >> reporter: the latest collection of evidence at the scene of a quadruple killing. five cars towed from the home where four students were stabbed to death. authorities say they've retrieved most of the evidence at the crime scene. yet, there is no suspect. >> is there a chance this crime doesn't get solved in. >> what we're finding is that the information and leads and tips we're receiving are helping with this investigation. and we really feel confident. >> reporter: more than two weeks after the stabbing deaths of the four people, the community is still on edge as police remain firm that this was a targeted attack. they point to two roommates left alive, and other evidence they

say they can't make public. >> we have inside into the actual crime scenes themselves. so we feel confident saying this was a targeted incident overall. >> reporter: students who returned to the university of idaho preparing for a vigil wednesday on campus. as school officials tell c $in n, idaho list the have brought in 14 patrols. four dedicated to the campus, in addition to private security and local police. >> we have offered support any way they've asked. i can't get boo the details of what we've shared but we want to see the person who did this. we want to see them caught. >> reporter: call for welfare checks have doubled compared to last month. whale there are signs of normalcy, throughout the community, reminders that the crime remain unsolved. >> we recognize that there is no suspect identified, no arrests made. what we do want the community to know, while they may not see at love activity of collecting evidence at the scene, and

officers at the scene, investigators working, we are working behind the scenes. >> reporter: and john, the university says roughly two-thirds of their students have come back to campus to attend classes. there is also going to be that vigil tomorrow for those four students. and they've been hearing from students here that they want to be in attendance for that, at least to come back for that, to be around their classmates during the very difficult time. john? >> all right. in moscow idaho. thank you so much for your reporting. to another multiple homicide case. we're closely following the so-called catfishing murders in riverside, california. the mother and grandparents of a teenage girl were found dead on friday. the suspect was killed in a shoot-out. police believe the 28-year-old former virginia state trooper had been scamming the teen online, pretending to be someone he wasn't, and traveled across the country to kidnap her. a twisted crime that we're about to get more insight on from john

miller. a former nypd deputy commissioner of intelligence and counter terrorism, great to have you here. there are multiple crime scenes here. there is fire, the house burned down where the relatives were killed. then the shoot-out was, and the girl 62ed. you say, the most challenging place, as it were, is the digital crime scene. why? >> because even at the fire crime scene, where the evidence is largely burned, there is a process to go through that and everything is there. the medical examiner, the crime scene people. where the shooting happened, you have the helicopters, you have the crime scene that you can freeze. the digital crime scene is a real challenge because you're dealing with a guy who has been pretending to be a teenage boy, communicating with a 15-year-old girl on the other side of the country. in actuality, he's a virginia state trooper. this conversation, how long did it go on? was it weeks, months, a year? what platforms did it take place on and how many? and which, john, this is the

key, which of those platforms are encrypted, where they're self-erasing the material as the conversation goes. so in an investigation like this. you hit the providers as soon as you learn which ones they are. and that can take time with preservation notices. don't throw anything away. and then the search warrant. turn over what you have. the problem is if it is encrypted and the provider doesn't have access to it, they can't take it to give it to you. if it is one of the apps which erases as it goes, they never had it in the first place. not for very long. >> so catfishing is a term that some of our audience might not know about. how does this comport with the normal definition? >> catfishing as we know it, in the world of internet frauds is, the romance scam. you start a conversation with someone. you may be in another country claiming to be in america. very complimentary.

the next thing, you know you, you love them, you're saying you're this incredible person and you should be together. and once you have their full confidence, an emergency happens and you ask for money. you have to send me thousands of dollars. it was a terrible accident. i need an operation. in this case, there is no money demand. you're reeling the person in on the idea that i'm another teenager. i understand you. you know, building her up and saying we can be together. and as crazy as it sounds, this individual is a police officer who left the virginia state police, joined the sheriff's department. we have another case in victorville, california. back in july, you had a 38-year-old man playing a teenager to a 15-year-old girl. they ended up having to rescue her from a house in tijuana when she ran off with him. we have a case in maryland where you have another fully adult individual talking to a 12-year-old who drives up to pennsylvania and picks her up and is later caught in a police

sting. this is a very disturbing trend. but usually, they do not end like this. this is a bold step to go into a house, do a blitz attack, absolute the family, take the child, set a fire to ever could your tracks, get in a high speed chase with police, shoot it out to your death. i can't remember in a case like this, ever seeing anything like that. >> again, a former law enforcement officer. thank you for being with us. appreciate it. so we're just starting to get video in from the weather in the deep south. a tornado threat on the ground still very real. a live update when we come back. dancing is everything. soccer is the best. t her moderate to severe eczema could make it hard for her. my skin was so itchy. and my outfit was unmfortable.

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>> tornado watches are up tonight across the south. and ten tornadoes have already been reported mississippi. this is video just in of damage from one of them in the central part of the state. damage and at least one injury as well, -- in a parish and louisiana in the wake of an apparent tornado. all of this part of the severe weather system that's threatening more than 40 million people from texas to georgia and northward through parts of indiana and illinois. it's a mess, and potentially a dangerous one.

cnn's tom sater moderating developments in the weather center. tom, what is the area of greatest danger tonight? >> well, it continues to rake across the lower mississippi valley, john. in fact, chalk caught county, mississippi, law enforcement saying this is that. what will the morning light show us? this is a dynamic system, coldest air of the season moving north. numerous western states with advisories and warnings for heavy snow. but it is a tropical air mass that is setting up really rare november tornado outbreak. some prediction center, level four out of five. how rare is this? well, as the first november in history we've had two events. the first one, november 4th, 62 tornadoes, multiple fatalities. but this is going to continue through 2 am in the morning. and they're also nocturnal. not all storms have lightning to eliminate that tornado. and some are so rain wrapped. dozens and dozens of tornado warnings this afternoon and this evening. john, our number of ten tornadoes is now up to 15. all but two in the state of mississippi. in fact, as you mentioned, caldwell parish, louisiana, there is damage there. look at the cold air.

64 in little rock, 20 in kansas city. that's the driving force behind this. so, you get ahead of this front, not only is there a tornado watch, but it has been stamped with a particularly dangerous situation. how rare is this? we only had one other in the u.s. this year. the last time we had a -- stamp on a watch like this in november was in 2013. there are numerous warnings still. mccone, the third round in mississippi for honed of a warning tonight. up to the north, columbus. they had two tornadoes, one just to the north trapping people in a grocery. we've had reports of injuries. for trying to confirm. but here's mccone on that third run again for tonight. we had some in yazoo city and into alabama. so, the hits just keep coming, john. >> all right, tom sater for us, thank you so much for watching this, appreciate it. so, all year cnn has introducing you to amazing people who have been devoting themselves to improving the lives of others and making the world a better place. this year's top ten cnn heroes proves that one person can really make a difference and so

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>> well good evening, everyone. i'm laura coates. and this is cnn tonight. in just the last few hours, we have had a lot of news on really major stories. so, buckle up, we are going to go through all of it tonight. i want to take a minute though to lay out the biggest development we've had tonight. because first on cnn, the former top trump adviser, stephen miller, testifying for apparently several hours today to