>> well, good evening everyone, i am laura coates and this is cnn tonight. you have got chapters closing, you have got chapters opening, and some still being written in the very many investigations of the violent attack on the u. s.

capital. and what happened, of course, in the days leading up to it, and frankly since that day as well. the clock is ticking, as you know, for january 6th committee. they are taking the final interviews, and more than 1000 actually took place today. the final of more than 1000. and meeting on friday now, we are learning, to discuss the possibility of making criminal referrals. that, of course, in the wake of the conspiracy convictions of two oath keepers, and with the special counsel's investigation, ramping up. the question is, what is all of this going to reveal, and as it still matters to the electorate. plus, a new leader in the house democrats pick hakeem jeffries to succeed nancy pelosi. the first black lawmaker to lead a party in congress. has a new generation is not changing the face of our politics. and with team usa on the world cup spotlight after their thrilling victory over iran, this is also a very big moment, and frankly a long overdue payday for the women's team. i will talk to

one of the women's world cup champions and frankly, a personal hero of mine coming up. we have got a lot to talk about tonight here with me, cnn anchoring correspondent, national security attorney, bradley moss, and mike shields, former rnc chief of staff. i am glad to have you all here, we will get to the world cup without you here, maybe on the break. but let's talk about a different matchup that is happening on capitol hill. and really, we are expecting, with a new congress, it is 34 days away from being sworn in, there are already promises of new investigations. i'm wondering, from your perspective, thinking about these moments, what do you think the impact of the combination of all that we see with january 6th, and the oath keepers trial is going to have on the gop-led house coming up? it will be good knighted already.

the committee is not going to continue. but what is your take on how this might move forward, and maybe a different way? >> i think that what you saw today with verdicts coming down on the cases the contrast between when you have the justice system prosecuting people for january 6th, people getting indicted, people getting put in prison, the fbi investigating, in on political process. and the political process of the january 6th commission, which is politicians on capitol hill with a completely different mission than what the actual justice was doing. personally, i believe the republicans would like to see anyone who attack a call put in jail, and getting in front of grand juries, getting indictments. that is a legal process. but politicians should be doing, what is the root cause what are the calls of political violence, and analyzing that in a bipartisan way. that is what should be going on, but that is not what happened. it turned into, frankly, from our perspective, a bit of a circus. a very partisan committee. >> you know it didn't necessarily have to be a partisan committee the way you are thinking. there was initially the discussion of having independent commission that was thwarted, and then there was the idea of at least

having five members who were republicans on the committee, but kevin mccarthy had a different opinion of that, and wanted to have jim jordan, another person as well, does that impact the way that you view what turned into a circus in your mind? >> it does, full disclosure, i do work for kevin mccarthy. i think it did impact it, there were some breaking things that happened, never before had the minority party not been allowed to choose its own committee members on a select committee. i think going forward you are going to see that sort of thing happening over and over again, because now the glass has been broken. the norms have been destroyed. one other things that speaker elect mccarthy advocated for, let's expand this, let's let the justice system handled prosecuting people. let's take a look at political violence. things like what happened to paul pelosi, things like happened to steve scalise who was shot. political violence is growing in the country. why don't we, as politicians in a bipartisan way look at that? there was rejected.

? >> it wasn't not relevant to january 6th? meaning there was not a full accounting of that day on the record, congressional wise, and was it the responsibility of congress who actually figured that out, figured out the attempt to disrupt that particular day? >> i think that it is the responsibility of congress to do that in a bipartisan way in good faith, and if you are going to analyze political violence, of course that was political violence, so you are not going to ignore that. you are going to add it as a larger political context of that you do not look like you are just using it as a political thing. that it was it turned into, it turned into this is a democrat-led committee it's very partisan. >> >> all of that stuff didn't mean anything. she practically let it, that is what it is. >> right, there was a token

republican or two put on to the committee for the sake of politics, but the minority party and their leader were cut out of it, and they were not allowed to choose their own members. >> i hear you, and i want to get you in here, because i think that people are being rhetoric because what you are talking about for bipartisan, there was the offering, there was the opportunity to have that. but in broader terms, there is the umbrella investigations, and you want to unpack everything about political violence generally. but there was the immediate urgency of what happened specifically on january 6th, and you are an attorney, national security, the idea of wanting to tackle national security as an umbrella term. then there is a particular action that needed accounting for. do you see it as more specific? >> yeah. the reason it had to be this focused in terms of january 6th, and not the broader, we could've talked about the summer of 2020, any number of things that dealt with political violence, the reason the january 6th committee focused the way it is because it was an attack on congress. it was an attack on the electoral certification process. it was looking into potential legislative fixes to prevent what we learned people like john eastman, and former president trump were trying to

do to prevent the certification of electoral counts. you mentioned something, i want to just make sure that this is clear, when possibly speaker mccarthy was coming up, and was trying to put people and jim jordan on the committee, the reason it was unprecedented in terms of rejecting him is because that there were material facts witnesses. they ultimately not subpoenaed themselves and have declined to comply, which was their choice to make. but that is why those particular individuals would not be normally sitting on that committee. it is the kind of thing that you would never allow normally in any kind of judicial process if there was one along the lines. >> does that change your opinion of that, and also there has been, as you know, it was not as if it was just democrats who are testifying, a lot of the, i think what transfixed a lot of people in the testimony of january 6th, i admit any witness was not transfixed. -- i will not pretend that i

was captivated by every single person for the entire duration of testimony but one thing i found interesting is that there were a lot of republicans there. you talk about the tokenism of congresswoman liz cheney, which is likely news to her, but i know that she has been called a rhino, just think and the people, doesn't impact for you how you saw this ultimately turning out, or there is the issue -- is it that you are not satisfied by the outcome, that you have not had the answers yet? >> look, i think that congress investigating an attack on congress as a very legitimate thing for them to do. but for them to bring the country along, to have the faith and credibility of the american people, it has to be bipartisan. you have to go a long way to make sure that people have faith in it. otherwise, everything in washington just transcend politics, one side is saying one thing, the other side is saying the other thing, and they allowed for that partisanship to go on as opposed to even if the republicans named someone on the committee, and there is a problem with it, let that play out. let them name them, let them take part in the process and say that we now have an issue with it, you need to replace them. tried to buy into the credibility for the american people. there are a huge number of people in this country that just turned and said that this committee is a farce at this point. i think

that it does a disservice to the truth that we are all talking about getting to, because you have now said to a huge swath of american people you don't count and we are not going to lose your views. >> under speaker mccarthy, what he won political violence investigated? that one of the investigations we see? >> i can't speak for what his plans are. >> but he's listed so many investigations? >> but that is what he advocated in the negotiations at the time speaker pelosi before this was like let's expand this out. we had members of congress -- >> be it is worth asking. >> if we are talking about it extensively it is like followed through. >> i think some of these things get broken by the way they are approached. i think one last point on this is for instance, another thing that was unprecedented that happen in congress is not normally it is respected that each party has allowed to choose who they put on committees. for the first time the democrats that we are going to remove republicans off

of committees. i think you are going to see a fit for that for that you want to see republicans moving democrats from committees. the sort of norms where the democrats were very upset about norms being broken in washington, they had broken them as well and it just separates us out. >> i will tell you one thing, i am thinking about, it you talked about the idea of compartmentalize distinction, i think as a voter the idea that we are going to have-for-tat retaliation is already making meat roll my eyes. if you think of the list of what has to be there collectively i think you're probably right. let me ask you, there is reporting just on friday that they are going to start talking about criminal referrals. it was part of the note from politics. how do you see this panning out? of course you have people who were subpoenaed to testify, and it didn't fall through on responding to it. what do you see as any potential criminal referrals here? >> they want that interested me were issues of perjury and witness tampering, which obviously anyone who comes

before congress you have got to tell the truth and you cannot be tampering with the witnesses. those are the ones that i am most interesting to see what came out of the transcripts and what is outlined. those i believe would go beyond the political issue when you are dealing with whether or not they're going to make a criminal referral for former president trump on conspiracy. >> that is everyone's big question. >> which they can do, the justice department is already investigating. they have been bringing in all of these different people. they don't need congress for that. but if congress has evidence that would be relevant for the justice department with respect to witness tampering, that is important, that needs to be reporting, just like republicans made criminal referrals when they were running it during the first part of president trump's administration, democrats can make the same referrals. the ones that matter to me are the ones dealing with perjury. >> today you have the attorney general saying anyone to be held to account for anyone who has -- attack our democracy in the proper form we are talking about. we will see what happens, there is a lot more to unpack, and it

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scurry she is also the author of my greatest save, the brake barrier breaking journey of a world champion goalkeeper and she has a personal hero of mine i am from minnesota, i was on a team in soccer when you were very just kicking butt, and taking names. i am so glad, i am talking to minnesota for a second, i am happy you are here as well. >> i watched it too. >> well let's just and because we are watching, so many of us have seen the excitement, and there are going to be people watching right now who are watching this team, in the world cup, and they are solidifying their list of personal heroes as well. i am just wondering, what has been your reaction to what you have seen? >> the guys have done incredibly well so far, i was hopeful that they would get out of the group and this is exactly what they did yesterday. in a nail-biting fashion, mind you. a flair for the dramatic. but once again, when u. s. soccer came through, a big plan was put forward for them to do well and fortunately they have done well, so now it

is just all of the gravy from now on out for them. >> think about where they are, it is not just like the little engine that could, but we think of the women's soccer team on this world stage, for more than we think about them and which is ironic because we are also having -- we world a great piece about this, we seem to have very fixed visions of who plays soccer and at what level. and when you have athletes who do not conform to whatever that images, there is something really eye-opening. it is my opportunity to have the conversations. but as you saw maybe today, you may have seen tyler adams who was asked a question about representing the united states of america, and about his race in particular, listen to this. >> there is discrimination everywhere you go. you know, one thing that i have learned, especially from living abroad in the past years, and having to fit in and different

cultures and similar lee, assimilate into different cultures, is that in the u. s. where we are continuing to make progress every single day, obviously it takes longer to understand. through education i think it is super important. you just educated me now and the pronunciation of your country. it is a process. i think as long as you see progress, that is the most important thing. >> to be clear, the question he was asked by an iranian journalist is where he felt uneasy about representing a country with a history of discrimination. a little bit of people in glasshouses should not threw stones with the connotation happening. what did you make of it? i thought it was a very thoughtful response. >> i was sort of blown away by the fact that he is 23 years old, first time he has been in this sort of situation, the u. s. has not played in the world cup in eight years, last time the world cup, last time the u. s. was in the world cup, tyler adams was 15 years old. so to be asked a question of the geopolitical significance with no context i think he gave, eight measured, thoughtful

answer. it also reflects his own experience. tyler adams has a very unique background. he was raised by a white mother and a white family. he spoke to the way that he has been able to move and his experience across different groups, and different cultures. what is interesting for me is that this team has 11 different players on it, and their experiences reflect the diversity of the black experience in america and the growing internationalism of the black american experience more generally. i think each of them we have given different versions of that answer based on their own experiences but i think that that answer that tyler gave us very important and religion legitimate and it reflected a level of empathy, a level of calmness, a level of thoughtfulness. >> and when you think about it, for me growing up, ahead you to look up to. also literally, you are a much taller than i am. but the idea of thinking about it, and what was, you became a

norm for me, i saw you and therefore we must be playing, we do have these positions which is such a blessing to see you in that role. but also, there are now generations of young women who are seeing, and to your point, these are title ix men players because we have been fighting as more broadly women but certainly in the athletic arena, the idea of pay equity. you know this quite well. we understand that based on where they are right now, the women's team is going to get half of their earnings as well, which is a phenomenal accomplishment. and one that is not a condescending lake, i'll give you a bit of scraps. what do you think about that and what does that signify to you that this is where we are? >> i think it signifies so much has changed, in particular with the tyler situation. he was chosen by his teammates to be captain. normally a coach will declare who the captain is based on their viewpoint of how they lead, and how they feel about that person in the grand

scheme of the team. but the players chose him. so that is number one, that says a lot about him as a leader and a person. with regards to showing how there is equity now, that was 30 years in the making. we have been fighting for a very long time, including the 99 hours, my team, for this. not we were finally able to get their, in part because of the maturity and the understanding of this man's team, because all different entities have to come to the table. the women's players association, the men's association and u. s. soccer board of directors, and a former teammate of mine who is now president of the soccer federation, all of these different groups have to come together and have an agreement. and the men were gracious enough to say you know what? the women deserve it, it is time, let's do the right thing by them. also, now, we are all on the same page and all for each other and now it is truly one nation and one team. this is the first time it has been that way.

>> that is amazing to think about the way you have the literal by end of what you are discussing, and just think if we had pay equity when the women are were winning as well. we would be in a very different position. not for nothing but speaking of pages, your book is very incredible and talking about the personal journey you have had and pay equity comes into that in your own personal experiences, it is an unbelievable rating. we will all be rooting for team usa. i have to ask, reading the tea leaves, how did they fare against the netherlands do you think? i know you are going to say that you are going to win but how are they going to fare? >> here's the interesting thing about that, the play you have a calculation, you are trying to figure out who should play and who shouldn't play, that all goes out the window now. it is a win or go home, a whole new ball game, they are clichés but it is so true. the men are in uncharted territory. but these guys are proud enough and good enough, and they just might upset the world by beating the netherlands on saturday. to not be surprised if you see it.

>> i think this world cup has shown that anybody can be anybody on any day. we saw saudi arabia argentina. we saw tony should beat france. i think there are so many examples in this world cup teams who, of groups of teams who traditionally would not be considered contenders, or people who can measure up against some of the best teams in the world who really take, i mean the world cup is such a singular moment, such a singular experience, and players, this is the moment. this is what you dream of when you are a kid. i think that this young team, this team who again, the last time the u. s. played in the world cup all of these guys were kids. i think that they are going to be really ramped up for this and anything can happen. >> imagine, to your piece, and people should read it in the atlantic, imagine all they had to do is address themselves as athletes. just the burden of sport in and of itself. thank you, both of you, nice to see you. and history is being made in other areas, of course, as you know even today and the house of representatives.

democrats picking hakeem jeffries as the first black lawmaker to lead a party in congress. it also marks a big generational shift, frankly. what does all of the say about the future of the democratic party, more broadly?

>> president joe biden tonight tweeting a photo of his dinner with first lady, dr. jill biden, and president emmanuel macron, and his wife in washington. saying welcoming some friends to town. tomorrow night, it will be all tuxedos, and gowns, and china, and crystal for the biden administration's first

state dinner. the first state dinner since 2019. it will be an important day. i want to also focus on what is another important and a very historic vote in the house today. democrats electing new congressman, hakeem jeffries as leader. he is now the first black person to lead one of the two major parties, in either chambers of congress. that comes as part of a generational shift in democratic house leadership. what does that all of this tell us about the future of the democratic party in the country more broadly? abby cornish is back with me and we are joined by alaska's democratic congresswoman, maria peltola. thank you for being here, it is a very exciting time. it is a time of transition. thinking about it, the significance, my daughter who is it always jokes around, history seems to happen all the time, she is no longer impressed by what happened. 14 years after the first african american president, we have a

black woman as a --. >> when you talk about the context of this, speak to the significance. >> the context for me is when you look at the congressional black caucus, so many lawmakers there are lawmakers like jim clyburn, who really came of age and came to power in that sort of integration in many cities across the country. they didn't end up speaker. they got close, but not there. i think the fact that hakeem jeffries has been mentored by claiborne. that clyburn still has a lot of influence in the party and will remain in leadership is quite significant. but it is a reflection of the ability of that particular kind of powerbroker and figure in congress. to help be part of that ushering in and part of that decision-making. there is not a hakeem jeffries without all of these other lawmakers that you saw in the congressional black caucus working hard all of those years.

>> speaking of what is being ushered in, and the lawmakers who are now part of this new generation and new congress, to be sworn in 34 days from now, congresswoman, thinking about where you are and your historic in your own right, your nature, your politics, where you are in today, i am wondering if you have reflected on the changing significance of how people are represented and how you will endeavor to do so. >> it is really impressive, i think, like you say, how far we have come in just 14 years, or 20 years, 30 years. in some ways, it is amazing, it has taken this long. but we have seen such a growth spurt in a short time. and hakeem jeffries, when he gave six acceptance speech in the caucus, it was so moving. he talked about the beautiful mosaic of america being represented in our caucus. it is true, there is such a diversity in our caucus. it is wonderful to see that in the leadership, not just hakeem

jeffries, but pete aguilar, and -- >> congresswoman park as well. >> kathleen clark, and ted lieu, so that really shows that there is a recognition that no matter where you come from, no matter what your ethnic background, no matter the color of your skin, we all have leadership qualities. we could all be wonderful, good leaders, and lets people together. >> that is such a good point, thinking about the mosaic, and what it stands for. then of course, the reality sets in for the american electors as well, that we can look at the tapestry, look at the mosaic, and as the congressman said today, at times it is going to come down to just getting stuff done. right, here he is. >> house democrats fight for the people. that is our story, that is our legacy, that is our values, that is our commitment as we move forward. get stuff

done. make life better for everyday americans. >> it is something that every member of the electorate wants to happen. can it be realized dana chief, congresswoman? >> absolutely. we have got real pressing problems right now. domestically, and in foreign affairs, we have got real things that we need to get done. so it really shouldn't even matter, fundamentally, what we all what our ethnicities are. we all need to be pulling, we all need to be making sure that we have got our eye on the ball, and we are moving forward. >> it is so important, and while you have the leadership on the democratic side, now solidified, the republican side who is in the majority, as you will know, kevin mccarthy is not necessarily a shoe in, which might surprise some

people, and it is the second bite out the apple in the last time that he did not fare well. when you look at that, and trying to reconcile the priorities and the need to have bipartisanship, knowing that mccarthy would have a caucus of mansions, and we all know what that might mean in the long run in terms of having to convince every single part of his party, and still not being able to achieve it, how do you see this going? >> i do not want to be the spoiler because you sound so idealistic, i love your energy. that is great. democrats will be in the minority, it is going to be tough, it is probably good for hakeem jeffries, et cetera, to be starting in the minority. because that is where you really have to figure out the vote counting and keeping people together, and all of those things that speaker pelosi, former speaker very much did all of those years. and did actually get things done. there are so many pieces of legislation that have her stamp on it. meanwhile, with mccarthy, behind him there is kind of a political graveyard of speakers, past of republicans, whether it

is hazard, paul ryan, john maynard, there are a lot of people who really faltered. he's already experiencing the difficulty that they did with the current breed of house politician, which you know i am going to go out on a limb and say is a little bit different in that there are many more people who have power without the party, meaning they have a kind of media stardom. maybe they are a great fund-raiser, they have the cameras, they don't necessarily need the party. and they are not shy about saying that. that is going to make his job difficult. and i think the fact that they have not laid a very specific legislative priorities is something to consider. and it will be interesting to see how democrats hold their coalition together, when there is such a tiny minority. because they can actually do a little damage. they can affect things even though they are not in power, because that majority that the republicans have is just so slim.

>> congresswoman, we will be watching for the opportunity to see how this all plays out, and i have got to tell you, if you are the spoiler i want the glass half full in congress. there we go, we will play that way, it will be important. congresswoman, my best of luck to you. >> thank you so much. >> from a deadly pandemic to mass shootings, two nationwide protests, it has been a very traumatic few years to say the least. and for many, while trauma can go back not just months, or days, or weeks, decades, even generations, what can we all do to move to a healthier place? we will discuss that, next.

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dealing with collective trauma. fair to say? all of us have been impacted by serious life changing events over just the last few years, including the covid-19 pandemic, extreme violence like the murder of george floyd, and the horrific stream of mass shootings, including at schools. trauma is the subject of i.d. cornish is podcast this week, the sign meant. here is a part of it. >> now for sure >> given the last couple of years, all of us are probably a bit traumatized. the riots over police involved killings, killings that run on a loop on your smartphone. >> the only thing that i could tell us that he couldn't breathe. >> the national debates about race, and the pandemic that revealed inequality in our health, education, and economy like a low tide. but there is a difference between the shock of these events on the long term effects of trauma on the whole communities. so, what does that mean? what to people that know

about trauma think about the way it is being kicked around in pop culture? >> audi is back with me, we are joined by political commentator ashley allison, and mike shield is back as well. adi it is very fascinating to think about this because on the one hand, the idea of talking about trauma still feels very fresh in the overall modern history of america. we seem to still be put under the rug, sort of the collective generation of people. on the other hand, what we see, the phrase we are all in together, at least for the pandemic, certainly we can pinpoint and point to broader issues of trauma. but the idea that it is more of a shared experience might surprise people in very different ways, in fact, you had a guest who talked about everyone having experienced some sort of trauma. that is a difficult tie to bind. >> i think, just to give us context here, there is an expanding area of research

called up a gym at excess, which says that there could be various gene suppression, or expression in the descendants of people who have experienced collective trauma. so they have studied holocaust victims descendants, also pregnant women, post 9/11, and they also have looked at these communities at their stress levels, et cetera. that is an expanding area of newer research in the area of genetics. that is the backdrop to this conversation about psychology. what is interesting is that psychology has not really embraced this idea that there could be what is called ancestral trauma. that a trauma could somehow affecting marginalized community. black, native american, japanese internment et cetera. but after 2020, this became more of a topic, and of more interest. now they're president elect, this woman, she is a specialist. she is at this

university, she runs a lab called the culture and research lab, and they basically figure out how can we better treat people in general, but also how can we acknowledge the whole person in our treatment? it is not a slam dunk, there are some people who say that this is bringing politics into the room, this is creating maybe a difficult dynamic between a predominantly white profession, and maybe people of color who might come in for support. how do we reckon with this? >> the word acknowledgment was a very important one that you used because i think when you are talking, i was thinking about the politics of people acknowledging the idea of intergenerational trauma broadly, and the idea of, i bet there are many people who pooh-pooh the idea. i think that we think about how the so-called will culture has been received. the idea of addressing emotional well-being and mental health in different ways. not always something that is taken to heart or acknowledged in different political worlds. i want to know your take on it, the idea

of how there is this cross section, we spoke earlier about compartmentalizing. what ought to be political, or personal, or criminal, does this strike you as an out of sorts notion? >> i think that we need to find more and more evidence for people to feel comfortable talking about mental health. if their experience, whatever it is, whether it is even from political traumas how it gets them to talk about, it than i am for it. regardless. because everyone's experience is different. that is a whole point of talking about mental health. we all have a different experience that we lived through and we all need to be open and honest with that with each other as a society and make it okay for people to say i'm experiencing trauma from whatever it is that they are experiencing it. the more that we can do that, i feel like there are so many political issues that we turn into partisan fights when they're actually the root cause, we could all agree, this is a mental health problem that is causing, you pick a, tied on

point to the fight here, but there is mental health at the root of so many problems in our country and we sort of touch on it, and then we move on because we would rather talk about something else. so every way that you can find to get somebody in the conversation is a good idea. >> but we crave it's cape-ism, and we crave to not talk about it. >> i wouldn't think of it as escapism, it is about coping, and what are your coping mechanisms. there are toxic ways to cope with issues in your life, and that is where you go to mental health professionals. to say is there a better way for me to cope with the stresses of my life. because maybe my parents taught me it is easier to have a glass of wine at the end of the night or whatever it is, rather than sitting down and figuring it out, or talking it, out or whatever. i am actually very glad that she said that about heritage and background because one of the things that dr. brian talked about is the idea that this is actually not just about marginalized communities. they are certainly going to, you can sit down with a patient and say have you ever had such substance abuse, and you do that in the intake, you could say have you ever faced discrimination, and you put that in the intake. no matter who they are, if they feel like they have experienced

discrimination, or experienced something, that is an experience that a clinician has to take and as they discussed it. >> how do you see it ashley? >> i am so excited about this study. it is something that i really have tried to integrate into my work as an organizer. because you often see people who experienced pain, have a lot of the solutions to the problems. but often, are not engaged. and that disregard for their lived experience, it creates more trauma, it creates more sense of i do not matter. and we come from a society, you know, the generation before, maybe my generation, something happened to you and you are told dust your shoulders up, be tough, it's like it, up when really you might have been hurt. we know hurt people hurt people. and if we do not deal with the issues, you do not have the capacity to really become near full and best self. that can be from generational

trauma or it can be from immediate trauma that you have from something that a micro aggression, to a blatant experience of racism from your day-to-day life, so i think that it is a conversation that we need to have more in politics, and across our country. >> certainly things that affect the people of the united states, and the government by the people. >> it is also happening in pop culture, we don't talk about bruno, everything everywhere all at once, you know, i was seeing it in pop culture like hey, there is this idea that you need to reckon with your past, and what does that actually really mean when it comes down to treatment? >> every parent and the world is now upset with ady for forgetting this song, we don't talk about bruno. thank you for that. i appreciate that. i of course will take that for the rest of my life. speaking of music that really sticks with you, and have made so many moments and memories for so many people, the world of music did lose a star tonight. christine mcvie, one of the

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player on some of fleetwood mac's biggest hits including song bird, you make loving fun, and little lies. stevie nicks on instagram, art honoring christine mcvie with a handwritten message calling her her best friend in the whole world. and saying she didn't even know that she was ill. back with me now, audi, ashley, and mike. i have to tell you, there is such an iconic nature, of hearing songs like that, thinking about bands like fleetwood mac, but in washington, d.c. i could not help but hear that song and think about how often it is used in politics. i mean, for many, it was the soundtrack of the clinton campaign, and just thinking about how we often are looking to music to capture a moment to be able to, the lyrics itself, don't stop thinking about tomorrow, don't stop it will soon be here, it will be better than before, yesterday's gone, yesterday's gone, and you think about what image that really creates, in a place like washington d.c. when

political slogans are trying to capture that moment. did that resonate for you? >> well sure, and the amazing thing about fleetwood mac is that first of all, one of the top selling albums of all-time, rumors,, the boomer president from the 70s, they transcend generations. there was a tiktok that had a fleetwood mac song in it. so you know have kids, my friends have school aged kids that all knew who fleetwood mac is. it kind of blows my mind, because i grew up with them. one of the biggest bands, historic hall of fame bands for rock and roll, and yet they have managed to transcend with their music. she had a massive impact. >> it is true, thinking about how music not only is the soul of a nation, but how you have almost, remember where you were the moment when you heard this and thinking intergenerationally, it is a way that some are trying to connect with others on this. and it is a memory for her as well. what do you think? >> yeah, fleetwood mac was a bit before my time.

>> how dare you? that's ok! >> i just state the facts, yet today i was listening on spotify, listening to all of their songs, and really reminiscing. landslide is one of my karaoke songs that i sing poorly, but i try, and it is a beautiful legacy to see such great music transcend generations, and will live long beyond this conversation. what a deserving legacy and tribute. >> i mean their music was deeply personal, and i think that that is something that has always resonated. it is also a group that has always been known for his personal infighting, and volatility. she was always the more calm center, and represented a stillness in a little bit of a chaotic kind of inter personal scenario. i think while clinton is interesting, that song came out in 77, and i think when you think back to that period, politically, the idea that you

would do something so optimistic and present it to the world, you know, i think is significant. and finally, as a female songwriter, it is just so lovely to hear people speak about her with such reverence. because that is a group of songwriters, everyone is fantastic there. but she really has earned her place, and i think that part of her legacy of just writing so powerfully, so simply and with such grace, that is what is going to stand the test of time. >> so well said, we will be right back.

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