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perception of significant rise in crime. they are looking for solutions. take san francisco for example, where the city's board of supervisors voted to approve a controversial policy that would allow police to deploy robots that kill. it is a jarring headline, i admit the police chief tells cnn these robots will only be used in the most extreme circumstances. he also says only officers the rank of deputy over assistant chief or chief of police will be able to authorize the use of these lethal robots. i want to bring in editor and chief bob q zach and ashley allison, a former metropolitan police officer, when you think about this headline can the idea of robots being able to use lethal force, it is on the backdrop not in the background, on our discussions over the years about the fourth amendment reasonable search and seizure,

excessive police force. it also conjures up for many people what happened in 2016 in dallas when a robotic device was used to deploy against somebody who fatally shot five officers. now, this is a different context . i wonder from your perspective, when you think about this, through the delegation, perhaps to a robot, are we being too sort of reductive about this? would he make of it? i think as a law enforcement officer, i want to have tools in my toolbox that are available to me to address any possible scenario. as we know from 2016, there was a scenario in which that was the safest way to neutralize a threat was post against law enforcement. again, you know, only to be used in the most extreme circumstances, obviously having

a chief or assistant chief being the only individual within the chain of command that can approve that tech expected the make you feel more secure in terms of the judgment? >> it does. obviously it is going to have to make its way through quite a few individuals and ultimately to the top, before someone can approve that drastic measure. that being said, i think it is important for officers to have any tool at their disposal, as long as it is appropriately used picks i wonder about the length of time it takes, how do you know to use it before the human element comes in. and i tell you, part of me thinks to myself well, when you have a human being, there is a chance that judgment or discretion can be more trusted than the automatic nature of a robot, then maybe cannot be

shut off in some respect that you have misgivings about this? i have to say when i saw the stories that did not make me feel comfortable. i understand the need for law enforcement to have what they need to do their jobs and protect themselves. i also know that when we use robots on some things, algorithms and processes are in perfect. and when we talk about taking another person's life, that draws it into question, we don't always get it right as human beings and it would be the robots fault either. i guess the question is when and why you would use it. and i don't want it to become a slippery slope. i don't want it to become the self driving car, or the person that stops someone for a traffic stop. may be in the most extreme circumstances, but i do have some hesitation and pause on

how this will be used in society . >> let's hear from the police chief on this, those are those concerns, i think he is anticipating to try to address this. our technicians and our special weapons and tactics officers who use these types of devices are highly trained, highly skilled, they knew what they are doing. but we have asked for is the ability to use robots in the event that we have that worst- case scenario where lives have been taken or in the process being lost, and it is unsafe to send an officer to that door or to that structure to the location where this is happening. the idea of knowing what you are doing is, i guess we talk about being trained, but if you think about this in san francisco, compared to what is happening in a place like new york where these conversations are about mental health and the idea of being able to detain or

involuntarily confined in some way, and commit, using all of the same notion of discretion, like the idea of being able to think here is what is to happen, here is the right decision to make. i wonder thinking about it, what does it say in the climate that we are income is this idea of this level of discretion, then the delegation to a measure like this were thinking about mental health and having that be part of the assessment, does not sit well? >> 1, i think the country has got to come to grips that it has a mental health crisis committee has only gotten worse since covid. i think when you can save a police officer's life, that is a great thing. but, it should be one of the last resources. i honestly think you have to have oversight here. your point of the slippery slope is a good one. what is the next step? >> you may congressional oversight? >> some type of oversight to say review with it is local or potentially congressional, you need to say did it work in this

situation? we just cannot trust the police completely, but at the same time i understand his point, if you are going to send a human being in there and an officer is going to lose a life why not use a robot if it is a dangerous situation. i think that with congress and others, the mental health issue i think moral legislation has to be passed, resources have to be delivered to states and localities, and i think the programs have to be set up and insurance companies don't really recognize mental health as much as other types of health problems. that is a problem . we have known the idea of mental health as a transition to a finer point on this in new york they have this newly implemented according to mayor adams to have officers who frankly are already overwhelmed in a variety of ways, insisting on being a jack of all trades. you have concerns about requiring officers to be in a position to assess mental health in a broader way and being able

to determine an episode and what to do about it, and to make decisions that might be different from the training you received in terms of a violent threat? >> anytime that you introduce an armed law enforcement officer into an encounter with a civilian, there is always going to be the possibility of escalation of force that can ultimately result in the loss of life. that being said, i think that mayor adams sees a problem and he is approaching that problem as a law enforcement officer would. mental health is an issue, it is an epidemic in this country, and homelessness is an epidemic in this country. and there are issues that i saw as a police officer in washington, d.c. for 2 decades, involving a combination of two factors that i could not address as a police officer. and i think that what mayor adams is saying is that we have

this problem, we need to do something, we cannot just do nothing. and so he is using a force that he has at his disposal as the mayor of new york city, and hoping that their intervention in these individuals lives will result in a better situation than what they are experiencing right now. >> the honesty is important, the idea of there is no -- of all the issues we are describing, we are fooling ourselves, read more about what is happening and what is happening in new york and it different context as well. was in everyone, the picture is out there, they are stunning. i'm talking about the world's largest active volcano. look at it right there. shooting lava for miles on hawaii's big island. everybody wants to see it. but how close can you get? alaska volcanologist our next. .

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well, now to the world's largest volcano shooting fountains of lava more than 100 feet up into the air. the mauna loa volcano erupted this week for the first time since 1984. now it is edging closer to a major highway in hawaii. luckily, officials feet is currently not a threat to neighboring communities. let's bring in just phoenix, volcanologist and author of

this adventure, my wild explorations in science, lava and life. just looking this, it's like a hollywood movie. thomas doesn't even look real. i cannot help but be a little feel for what we are seeing. tell me is there a real risk? is this rapidly moving lava that is shooting down? >> when you have moments where the lava is being injected into the air forming lava fountains like in the adl, that can be hazardous. you don't want to get too close to that. however, this eruption is actually, at the moment, one at that best case scenarios for a volcanic eruption. because the law but that mauna loa produces is really losing and running. it is not the type of lava that you see with mount saint helens, or lascivious where you have a really sticky lava that creates a big explosion.

mauna loa is losing and running and flowing, that means that scientists can get up close and personal to really understand what is going on with volcano. >> that is what is so exciting for volcanologist like yourself to think about. you don't want it to impact communities or cause any harm, but there is something very magnificent, i'm sure, about the study seeing it active after 40 years. so, what kinds of things could you learn about this, seeing the eruption. have distinct is it from its dormant period to have a better understanding of what makes a volcano take and a way to prevent or predict? >> right now, volcanology is a science that is rapidly making improvements. ever since mount saint helens erupted in 1980, it sort of revolutionized the study of volcanoes. it really drove home the need that we have to understand and better in order to protect people and people's property

from damage. so, right now when we watch this eruption, scientists are out there 24/7 taking measurements of the rate of flow of the composition of the law, what crystals, what elements are present, they are measuring the gases that are being emitted. they are measuring how much the ground flexes from the infusion of magma underneath out onto the eruption at the surface. so, there's tons of data that we are collecting right now, and scientists at the united states geological survey and colleagues around the world will be analyzing that to tell us is there precursor science that we can look for in eruptions like this? are there lessons we can learn for future eruptions that are going to save lives? >> you have these dueling volcanoes happening right now, kilauea and mauna loa. but it is still safe, the governor of hawaii saying it is safe to visit. there is a distinction between

members of the scientific community who are studying this, and those who are trying to get a peek at what is happening. is there a study at the impact of the air quality? lava is one thing, but we are seeing smoke in volcanic ash in the air. >> actually, i have to correct something right there. it's not smoke, it is, volcanic gases, which are acid gases, you don't want to breathe them in. you're talking hydrogen fluoride, hydrogen sulfide, carbon dioxide. these are all gases that are really not fun for average folks to breathe in, let alone if you have any sort of respiratory issue. so, the hawaiian civil defense authority in the u.s. geological survey will closely monitor the volcanic smog that the eruption produces and they will let any communities affect did know well in advance of people with respiratory issues should stay inside. we are pretty lucky, because right now it disperses fairly well, and the civilians in the area have a pretty good handle on dealing with it, because the

neighboring volcano kilauea has been erupting since the 80s. people are used to it in hawaii, which is a good thing. 's . well, smoke i have to tell you, i stay away from it. we talk right now about things that are happening, it is such a sight to see, just the power of our earth and all that it contains. thank you for your insight and helping to eliminate the issues. i appreciate it . >> thank you for having me, keep your eye on the eruption. it suspect that it . >> at this distance it is. [ laughter ] spin-up i am the volcanologist . >> i believe it to you, we will learn a great deal, thank you . >> thank you. well, look, from volcano to the eruption of crowds cheering for what will be the next big world cup game is happening on saturday at 10:00 a.m. really governing question is what are the chances of winning? we will discuss, next.

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forward to saturday, it was such an exciting matchup. a lot of focus, of course, on the politics of the matchup between the u.s. and iran, but looking ahead to saturday, netherlands is no joke. they are the favorite here picks they are definitely, they are a powerhouse ranked eighth in the world, this is an excellent team. when we think of soccer, men's soccer, you think of european dominance or brazil. the netherlands is right there for sure. this will not be easy, not that the others have been easy, but it gets harder exponentially, this is the the 16th the knockout phase two. there is no wiggle room, you win and move on, you lose you go home and they go to extra time and the penalties if they have to because there has to be a result . >> number draws?? >> no, no more 0-0, >> we just had breanna talking and she is known for the shootout, got the women's team to win. but now we have that exciting aspect of it.

but you know, not to be dismisses of the team, the humans u.s. national team -- which really thought of as being able to be in this position quite yet. talk about the extraordinary nature of them now picks up the second-year listing to hit the world cup. christian point, so important and hopefully can play. will seek him he is 24. there are guys in than him on the team. anything, you know, we always love the new new thing whether it is a gadget or a toy or a book or a star, this is that . it is a young team, they have fresh faces, the way they have answered questions, the issues. i think they have made us so proud as a nation. and it is easy to cheer for them, they are also the guys that gave up some of their money so that the women could have equal pay. name another group of people that were just willingly give

money away so that the greater good could be served. that is what these human have done. >> this is a level of altruism on the world stage like this. you are right about the issues, there's a lot of conversations you saw with the melt athletes from the u.s. were consoling the iranian players and think about what was at stake, both of these players from iran, a lot of the teams combined, this is the vision of sportsmanship, we are looking at these photos, and you know what is more about the loss of the match. is on the shoulders of these players as well as rec raised . >> absolutely, these are smart, young athletes and young human beings and they care. so, to see them hugging at it wasn't just sorry you lost, because the americans know that the iranians are going to go home and their families are also a concern, they may face punishment and consequences

because they did not sing the anthem, and i saw one player who did not saying in the third match against the u.s. they have been warned and threatened by their government. >> without the data. even if they are not there, it is their families. so, the american players realized that, they have been empathetic, they have been kind , they realize that yes, they won, but these iranian players are going to to is something far behind losing . >> that is the power of sports, we can teach our children about this and teach ourselves more about it. the empathy and understanding on capitol hill. who knows . >> that is a good idea, go for it. good luck. >> could look, of course, to the players this saturday we will be watching. from the world cup to the nba, guess who was at the celtics

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a group of students now suing yale university and the governing body alleging that yale discriminated against's with mental health disabilities, even allegedly forcing those with severe methe school. cnn's miguel marquez has a story. too the claim in a new lawsuit seeking class-action status, yale university discriminated against students with mental health disabilities. alleging that yale's withdrawal policies and practices pushed students with mental health disabilities out of yale. if they try to get back in the

face unreasonable burdens. the lawsuit coming shortly after a washington post investigation relying on interviews of more than 25 current and former yale students. one student telling the post she suffered a sexual assault eventually attempting suicide and feeling forced to withdraw from the university. and other accounting a washington post, a 20-year-old math major who had already withdrawn once posted on facebook dear dale, i loved being here. i only wish i could've had some time, time to work things out and to wait for new medication to kick in. but i could not do it in school and i could not bear the thought of having to leave for a full year. or if leaving and never being readmitted. her fear so great of not being allowed in a second time, she died by suicide in 2015. yale says it made changes to its policies, but those bringing the lawsuit say it is not enough. in a statement yale said our primary focus is on student safety and health, especially

when they are most honorable. we have taken steps to simplify the return to yale students on medical withdrawals and to provide additional support for students. the university used confidence that policies comply with all at culpable laws and regulations. nonetheless we have been working on policy changes that are responsive to students emotional and financial well- being. marion hyman who wrote the 2018 white paper on mental health in the ivy league for the ruderman family foundation, which is cited in the lawsuit says yale is not when it comes to failing to accommodate students with mental health disabilities. >> prior to but, experts have sort of wiggled what is happening on college campuses as a mental health crisis. national data has shown that as many as 40% of undergraduates within a given year have felt so depressed that it was difficult for them to function. and colleges in general across the country lack the basic

infrastructure to support students mental health . >> problem widespread, a washington post analysis of data from healthy mind network indicated nationwide rates of depression, anxiety and suicidal thoughts more than double between 2013 and 2021. and a 2021 report from penn state's center for collegiate mental health found that funding is not keeping pace with demand for mental health services, the yearly average caseload for a college counselor is about 90 students, with what some sectors reporting an average of about 300 students per counselor. this issue has caught the attention of congress as well, senator edward markey has sent a letter to the department of education and department of justice asking them to issue guidance and policy reforms to protect access to higher education for students, and to strengthen nondiscrimination protections for students who may need medical leave.

this was a massive issue before the covid-19 pandemic that only made it worse. law? >> thank you so much. now i want to bring in monica porter, an attorney for the beth vaughn center for mental health law, and they yale alumnus and a plaintiff in this lawsuit. you know, when we hear about what is going on, just hearing in the discussion from miguel, how heart-wrenching it is to think about the choices that students have had to make, and he withdrew in 2018, and after a mental health crisis you did describe the trouble in being allowed to return and you eventually did graduate. talk to me about what your personal experience was like in grappling with the policies that you say yale had. >> absolutely, thank you so much for asking.

it is really amazing to be able to share this experience, it's been so difficult for me and others over the decades. when i was doing with mental health crisis i felt like yale was presenting me with a stark binary choice. i could either continue with a full-time schedule at yale and all the challenges that would come with it, or i would have to commit to an extended absence in which i would have to give up university health insurance, on-campus housing, and every manner of institutional support that i had. that choice me things so difficult. what i did not understand at the time that i have the federally protected right to have more options on the table. reasonable accommodations are critical to the way that mental health practices are properly achieved on campus. looking at this now, do you have any idea as to why you thought, maybe at the time,

compared to now, that you believe yale was making these challenging, or having the circles in place? >> there are a number of different reasons. i think that yale tends to wash his hands of cases of mental this that are too severe, because they don't want to be associated with that student. want the student to deal with their issues anywhere except yale's campus. and in some instances, taking time off is a healthy decision. in other cases, it separates students from their support group. so, actually has to be a case- by-case evaluation, what is best for t the student, rather than a one-size-fits-all approach but if you are struggling you need to get out . met monica, thinking about the choices and for a lot of people, they might not realize that there is some right to having a menu of options, in terms of how to have that

support system and how it is structured and what you are entitled to or not on say a college campus, you come in the lawsuit, focus on yale's quote withdrawal policy, as you say, and practices that pushed students with mental health disabilities out of yale. talk to me about what students are up against. and again, this is an issue focused in this lawsuit on yale, but we cannot think of this in the vacuum, the issues that are being presented are likely far more universal, which is very scary, and a lot of campuses. >> that is absolutely right. as you said earlier, this is part of a national issue. one in five american adults experiences mental health disabilities and suicide is a leading cause of death among college students. at our center we receive calls from students and parents all over the country, we've been doing research and collecting data on our campus and mental health issues nationwide to inform the policy and change

that we advocate for on a national level. we have found yale to be a particularly egregious example. there are a lot of tricky assets to this issue, that as rishi said, it cannot be a blanket policy. it needs to be addressing each student case individually, and exploring all reasonable accommodations as per federal law, before resulting to something like exclusion. so, is the goal of the lawsuit, and obviously a lot of litigation takes place behind closed doors, people are often incentivized to be a little bit quiet and hushed about's, you hear nondisclosures and the like come into play. is the goal of this litigation to be able to have and effectuate and implement more of a widespread approach at other universities could use as a blueprint? >> certainly, this case is seeking to have status as a class action so that we can

represent all yale students with mental health disabilities , who have been harmed or to fear the potential to be harmed by these policies in the future . and what we are seeking here, and why it is so brave of rishi and other students current and former to be participating in a lawsuit, is that no one is seeking any sort of monetary gain. purely the lawsuit is seeking systemic policy change to make improvements for all yale is moving forward. certainly our hope is that we can engage with expert and create and help yale to become what can be an example for schools nationwide . >> rishi, you get the last word, what is your mission to students who are looking at you right now? >> a, well, i want students to know that we care about them, and we are taking these actions of law of sincere

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maybe want to work less and get paid the same amount. do i have good news for you. a study of companies that tried out a four day work week found that workers were productive and even happier . it seemed to have worked for their bosses too. none, by the way, 0% of the employers wanted to go back to a five day work week, shocker. and they made more money. back with me, bob cusack, ashley allison and michael for noon. first of all, the data. i mean like captain obvious when i say this. apparently 97% of the 495 employees who responded that they don't want to go back to a five-day workweek. who is this 3%? come to know who it is. really? you are the people who put fish in the microwave during the day. be it is the process . well, you are a boss, you are the editor-in-chief of the hill. is this practical in a newsroom to have a four day work week? i'm

asking for a friend picks for news i don't think so, but this data is kind of very interesting. study after study, this has a lot of momentum. what would happen tomorrow? no. but if the employers are getting on board, that is a significant. i think it went very from industry to industry . a congress works three days a week picks do they? >> maybe 2 1/2. does not work for congress. will, i do wonder what this even be possible, it is kind of a paradigm shift. maybe the pandemic and maybe working from home in a more relaxed approach people have had to the idea, people have work-life balance interhome, could that have happened this survey, and these results before then as acceptable to the employers? >> welcoming of the federal government is to do a flex work schedule where some people every other week got to work four days a week. i think the pandemic, though, was a wake-up call for folks to say you don't have to go back to everything from before.

and we should re-evaluate that. a lot of employers did wellness fridays to make sure people could take time for themselves to feel better. it was a very stressful time, i am fully supported of a four day work week. the reality is it is not that you are making more money, it's that you become more productive in those four days, and you can stomach the same amount of money. so, as long as your work product stays the same and you are as efficient and get angst on, i think it is fine. let's do three days. must be like congress. [ laughter ] wised up at three? two is fine. i mean, i am joking. again, i think about that. i remember when i became a mom i had to be very honed in on the amount of time i was going to have are allowed to be taken , i had this idea of the different balls you are juggling and you realize in your life that are actually rubber and you can let them drop

and others are class and if you let them drop, that is it. the four day work week might work best for that. i was not a law enforcement officer or a police officer picked does this work in that realm? and i wonder, frankly, is it better to have that reprieve in the work he did? >> so, when i was a metropolitan police officer we doubled in the four day work week within the patrol units . it is just not feasible and a lot of the specialized units, i work in narcotics and i was lucky to get a five-day workday if not a six or seven day work week. when the case was hard you worked the case, and your schedule is kind of dictated around what you were working on at the time. that being said for uniformed patrol officer who work the most high stress or in the most high stress environment within policing, it made a huge difference for them to be able to have a three day reprieve from work, regardless of whether it happened to overlap

with the weekend or nontraditional middle of the week day off, those officers, you would have to pry them away from those days off. so, unfortunately, with officer shortage and manpower issues we face, it's just has not been logistically feasible to maintain that schedule. the one thing also is that it will probably only apply to people who do nine to five jobs, hourly wage workers will be able to get the benefit because they are not on a salary. i think if you want to do it in a more equitable way you want to make sure that everyone could have the benefit of having a four day worin their career t have salaries and work nine to five jobs. >> i think this is going to be an issue for campaigns going for picketing politicians, we have not seen it yet, but people, based upon this data, they are going to say hey, we are more productive when we have

and it is more family-friendly. i think this will be something maybe 2024 or 2028 but it will be an issue picks it certainly an issue now in the potential rail strike, days off and essential workers is looming in the background great conversation at 100% say why not? why not four days? thank you for watching this show. thank you for watching. our coverage continues. turizers to smooth, heal, and moisturize your dry skin. gold bond. champion your skin.

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