and his agency, the iaea. so we will continue. thank you so much. >> ladies and gentlemen, distinguished guests, please remain in your seats until the official delegations have departed. >> thank you, folks. all right. >> so do you have a message to the protesters in china? >> okay, everyone. thanks for joining us. we've been watching president biden's first state visit and the joint press conference there with the leader of america's oldest ally, france. so as you saw, president emmanuel macron stood by president biden in more ways than just one during that joint news conference. they basically ended there talking about their resolve and i guess joint values in terms of the war in ukraine. >> yeah. they've talked about the war in ukraine, the pressure on putin of course, climate as well, plenty of topics we'll get into. let's now go to some of our correspondents who we have with us. cnn's chief white house correspondent phil mattingly was

there in the room. but let's start with cnn's national security correspondent kylie atwood. and kylie, specifically on the war in ukraine macron has been a very important partner with the u.s. in making sure that the ukrainians have the support that they need to fight off this invasion. >> well, that's right. and the two leaders, president biden and president macron, really in lock-step when it comes to the need to continue support for ukraine with president macron pledging to provide more military and more economic assistant to ukraine. president biden of course doing that as well. and it's notable, however, that the two have approached president putin in different ways, with biden saying just there that he has no immediate plans to speak with president putin. he would only do so if there was an indication that putin wanted to discuss a way out of this war and so far there has been no such indication.

then of course you have macron, who has been in touch with putin but specifically on issues related to security in ukraine, when it comes to that nuclear plant, zaporizhzhia specifically. he plans to continue doing that. but both of these leaders being very clear that they are not going to push ukraine to make any concessions when it comes to any negotiations that would potentially lead them to lose anything when it comes to their sovereignty. i also think it's important to note out that president biden was asked about those concerns, those french concerns surrounding subsidies that were in the inflation reduction act for american green companies. and what he said was that listen, he's not going to apologize for that major piece of legislation but when you pass a big piece of legislation like that, in his words there can be glitches. so there are things the two countries can do to work together. he said it was never the u.s. intention to leave france out because they are such a close

partner. so it's very clear that they're trying to work through that, which has been a major issue for president macron, and he has made no bones about it. he's been very open about the need to work on that issue so that france isn't undermined by that new legislation here in the united states. >> okay, kylie. stick around if you would. we want to bring in phil mattingly, who was at that press conference with presidents macron and biden. he's still there. so phil, we understand that before this press conference the two leaders met together for three hours. so what did they hammer out? >> reporter: i mean, i think you had a good window into at least the most critical issues they were discussing in that closed door meeting. there is no question that when it comes to the most urgent consequential issues ukraine is certainly at the top of the list. both given what's happening on the ground and its general threat to europe both on the security side of things but also on an energy side as well. i think kylie hit at a really critical issue, though, that president macron made exceedingly clear in advance of that bilateral sit-down, was that a, a focal point for he and

his top advisers but b, was something that absolutely needed to be addressed in a relationship that is as close as both of the leaders have portrayed it as in the last several months. and that was on the issue of these subdiz, thsidies, these protectionist subsidies at least in how the europeans have viewed them. and i think what's interesting is both macron and president biden made clear there was a level of satisfaction with how that discussion went. there were no specific deadlines about when a resolution would come together. there were not necessarily policy shifts that were put on the table. but given how stringent president macron was in the leadup to the meeting about the concerns, how explicit he was about his frustrations, his willingness to say that he was fairly satisfied with how the conversation went was critical and so too was president biden making clear that the buy american, the subsidy provisions that were in this, kylie kind of hit the nail on the head, pointing out the idea that there were glitches, making clear that they believe there are pathways

to address these very real concerns on an economic side of things. i really think those were two central discussions inside the meeting. you heard the leaders, guys, at the top of the press conference. they went through a lit nye of about 50 things. and both acknowledged it could have gone much longer in terms of where the bilateral cooperation stands right now. but those are the most critical issues. and i think when it comes to ukraine in particular there have been differing approaches. on a 30,000-foot level there is no question there was alignment, there's no question the goals are the same. approaches have been different. sometimes in subtle ways, sometimes in more explicit ways. i think there was very clear alignment on some of those divergence divergences when it came to president macron making it explicitly clear there would be no peace negotiations moving forward without ukraine being the ones driving, there would be nothing put on the table without ukraine driving that idea itself, and then president biden opening the door to speaking with president putin. even though he made clear there's no plans on it,

certainly no schedule in the near term, but should president putin come to the table and say there were discussions he wanted to have president booind said he was willing to do what president macron is doing and that is keep the line of communication with president putin. obviously there's no sense that's coming final soon but the president at least put it on the table, guys. >> let's bring in cnn's chief international anchor christiane amanpour. christiane, president macron comes to the u.s. in his second term. and now after angela merkel left the chance lohllorship in germa it's a different senior european leader. >> it's interesting because you remember president trump had president macron at the white house as his first state dinner. so it's a very interesting situation. in this case back then macron tried to convince trump not to pull out of the iran nuclear deal if you remember. trump went ahead and did it and now we're in deep, you know, international problems between the u.s. and iran. this time biden and macron have

to talk about the other big issues, which are obviously the trans-atlantic cooperation on ukraine and then the actual trans-atlantic cooperation between the united states and europe and even further on china. on ukraine president macron has all along tried to present himself as is the open link if you like to president putin, while obviously condemning, while standing shoulder to shoulder with the rest of the nato allies and being very strong on that, there's always been a sense from him that somehow there might be an ability to bring the both sides to the table. that is not happening right now. i spoke to president zelenskyy not so long ago in the midst of all these ukrainian suffering and the russian missile attacks in the city, and he basically said people can try to push us wherever we want, we are not negotiating until russian troops leave sour territory.

so what they want is a lot more weapons and defensive weapons. and if this meeting leads to a lot more of that, then that will be important. i yesterday spoke to the u.s. secretary of state antony blinken. he was at a nato meeting in bucharest and he said the same, we're trying to do as many as possible to help ukraine. this is the key and fundamental issue that europe and the united states have on their plate right now. i just spoke to former secretary of state hillary clinton. and she too is watching very closely. she says that the nato, u.s., all its partners including israel must keep giving even more high-level defensive weapons to ukraine. they need iron dome. they need all the anti-air defense systems that they can possibly get. because democracy, the rule of law, human rights depends on ukraine winning and putin losing. so that's the very clear moment. and then of course as you know president macron complained that the biden administration was

showing an aggressive protectionist approach to trade, and i think they've had to talk about that, as you heard from the press conference and others. and so those are the issues on the table. >> okay, christiane, thanks for all of that. let's bring in cnn's abby phillip now. abby, this is the first state visit, the first state dinner for president biden as president. so what's the significance of that and that it's france? >> i think it really highlights biden -- both biden and macron want to highlight that this is the relationship of thissara-r the one between the united states and europe, and macron presenting himself on the world stage as effectively as the leader of europe. you know, this relationship between the two men is personally warm, i think personally very real. they've known each other for some time. and i think that for biden this is a moment for him to say globally and to the country that he is in fact making progress in

doing what campaigned on, which is re-establishing american leadership on the global stage after an era in which europe at least perceived the united states withdrawing from some of its commitments, withdrawing from its leadership position. so i think for both men it's highly symbolic. the warmth between the two of them is genuine, even in spite of all of these issues and perhaps, you know, tensions that might have played out behind the scenes in their lengthy meetings today. >> all right, abby phillip, phil mattingly, christiane amanpour, kylie atwood, thank you. breaking news on capitol hill. the senate reached a deal to vote on a bill to avert the rail strike. >> okay. so let's get right to cnn chief congressional correspondent manu raju. manu, is paid sick leave in this bill? >> reporter: it's not at the moment, but there will be votes this afternoon. in just actually a matter of minutes the senate will vote. that is significant because it

required the support of all 100 senators to agree simply to schedule a vote. and that deal has been locked in. meaning we are going to get to final passage of this deal to avert a rail strike this afternoon. and assuming that gets 60 votes, that will be approved and it will be sent to joe biden's desk. now, there is a process for this to happen. first there will be an amendment by republican senator dan sullivan who actually delay the december 9th deadline where a strike could occur if no deal is reached between the railways and the workers. they're trying to delay that december 9th deadline for two months. that is expected to fail, also fall short of 60 votes. then there's the issue of paid sick leave. this is what's caused the hang-up for? ? time. because the agreement between the rail workers and the industry is silent on the issue of paid sick leave. democrats and frorsives like bernie sanders are demanding seven days of paid sick leave for workers. there's going to be an amendment to change the bill to include

that paid sick leave. that is also to fail, fall short of the 60 votes needed. and then assuming those fail they will move to the final passage of the measure of the underlying agreement, sending it to joe biden's desk. there is also a debate within not just the republican conference but also the democratic caucus about whether to add paid sick leave. moderates like joe manchin told me today he doesn't believe that congress should be dictating the terms of an agreement while progressives like bernie sanders and elizabeth warren differ. listen. >> on the one hand, we don't want to shut down the economy. on the other we don't want to say to rail workers if you have a heart attack or break your leg you either show up to work or lose your job. >> i'm concerned about jumping into that when you have eight unions that agreed to the package they negotiated with the department of labor and with the president. i'm very reluctant on the other for us to jump in and set a precedent. >> reporter: now, most republicans align with joe manchin's position, which is why

it's expected that the effort to mandate paid sick leave will fail. there may be a handful of republicans that do vote for it. josh hawley, a missouri republican, told me he will vote for that issue of paid sick leave. but the question will be how many republicans ultimately vote for the underlying agreement. we do expect senate republican leader mitch mcconnell to vote for this. he's been indicating a bill needs to pass to avert a rail strike next week. that would break from the house republican leader kevin mccarthy, who voted against the plan yesterday, instead saying it should be the administration dealing with this issue, not congress. but nevertheless, there is expectation here that because of such dire consequences if congress doesn't act the senate will get the votes, will pass this after a series of days and marathon negotiations, a very bumpy road. but it looks like on track for passage in just a matter of a couple hours here, guys. >> manu raju with the breaking news on capitol hill. thank you, manu. more on the economy now. a key economic indicator out today shows signs of easing

inflation. the pce index rose 6% in october compared to last year. that's down from the 6.3% rise in september. >> and gas prices are now lower than they were on february 24th. that day is relevant because that's the day that russia invaded ukraine. the average price per gallon is now $3.47. let's bring in our senior adviser to president biden gene sperling. good to see you. let's start with the breaking news from capitol hill. a deal to avert the rail strike but no paid sick leave. is the president satisfied with that legislation? will he sign it? >> well, first of all, i'm hearing this from you. so you know, i've been around too long to get ahead of a congressional vote. but the president's been extremely clear. a rail strike is not an option. it would be devastating to the economy and not just -- even the 700,000 to a million jobs. but virtually everything from

clean water to food shortages to refineries being able to send oil to factory workers and farmers getting the supplies they need. so this president has called for an agreement on the tentative agreement. obviously, we have a lot of sympathy with -- for the desire for paid leave. the president supports a national paid leave, would love to work with republicans on getting this done. but right now it is about averting this rail strike and this economic catastrophe that could hit our economy as we go into the holiday season. and this is an agreement that was negotiated by the 12 union leaders. it's been ratified by 8 out of 12. and right now this is what the president is calling for being passed. but the real issue is what gets 60 votes. and i hope that you're report turns out to be accurate and the

president of course will sign such a bill. >> but gene, just to be clear, the sticking point and the reason that they were -- the workers were threatening to strike was because they want paid sick leave. >> yes. >> they were willing to have four days but now it might be up to seven. that's what they're asking for. so you're saying that president biden will still sign this deal even if it doesn't have that paid sick leave? a. >> the president's been very clear that this tentative agreement which to be clear by far is true of all negotiations or virtually all negotiations not perfect on either side -- >> and it doesn't have the paid sick leave. >> it was strong on the wage increase. 24% wage increase. it was strong on other measures. this was an area it was not as strong on. but 12 union negotiators agreed and eight of their unions ratified. this is the tentative agreement. and if this is what can be

passed to prevent a rail strike and this economic catastrophe yes, this president will sign that bill. >> all right. let's talk about -- >> if it passes both houses. >> let's talk about gas prices now, down now lower than they were at the start of the invasion in ukraine. but there's an opec plus meeting coming up in a couple of days. in the last meeting they cut production by effectively more than a billion gallons a day. what's your expectation? will prices stay low? will they go lower? >> well, i do want to say today did have a little bit of a goldilox feel to it in terms of the economic reports. or the last couple days. we saw growth go higher, 2.9%, than we thought for the third quarter. we saw strong spending, real incomes going sxurngs at the same time what did we see today? that the core pce, will i know sounds complex but it's the main

inflation indicator the federal reserve looks at was at 0.2 this month, which was lower than expected. and as you said, gas prices are now depending on whether you look at aaa or gas buddy between $3.40 and $3.43. and the median price is $3.31. and the most common is $2.99. so that is good news. that's an extra $160 per family at the higher levels. what the president said today is look, you know, it's a volatile global economy, there's probably going to be bad days but what we are seeing is what we all want to see, which is a resilient economy where people keep working, where they keep spending, where they're strong, and at the same time we start seeing that moderation of prices inflation. we're seeing it. we're not there yet. we've got a ways to go. but it is good to see things moving in the right direction. >> gene sperling, thank you.

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>> reporter: alisyn and victor, it's been a very confusing 12 hours. the moscow police department telling me this morning they stand by their theory that this was overall a targeted attack. but all of this confusion started yesterday when the latah county prosecutor said in an interview that he believes one or two of the victims may have been specifically targeted or that the residence itself may have been targeted. the moscow police department yesterday night said hold on a second, that's not what we are saying. and they sent a statement that reads in part, "we remain consistent in our belief that this was indeed a targeted attack but have not concluded if the target was the residence or its occupants." so you know, i think what's happening here is that different people are saying different things and the moscow police department for their investigation is saying this was overall a targeted attack. i have been told they're collecting evidence from the scene that is pertinent to this investigation that they cannot tell the public because it would

compromise the investigation but they are get ting confident abot what progress they are making. they're receiving tips. they're building a picture that allows them to believe this was indeed targeted but i think here in the community ultimately a suspect hasn't been arrested and that's where a lot of the anxiety is coming from and when people are receiving mixed messages it only adds to that anxiety. victor? alisyn? >> certainly does. veronica miracle, thank you. let's bring in now former boston police commissioner ed davis. commissioner, good to see you again. when you hear the police saying it was targeted, the prosecutors saying well, maybe one or two or maybe residence, what do you see here? is this law enforcement bungling this or just kind of the nuances are confusing people? >> well, i believe in this particular case there's a lack of coordination among the prosecutors and the various police agencies that are involved in this. the moscow police were the responding agency.

but the state police are involved in it. the fbi. there's a lot of different players here. and you know, unfortunately no one particular person is in charge of everything. except that most cases the prosecutors -- the law enforcement officials will defer to the prosecutors because they're in charge of providing justice in this case, the prosecution and the charging. so in this particular case it sounds like they're not on the same page. and that's unfortunate because the community suffers when you don't have a consistent message. >> commissioner, put on your police chief hat for us right now. does this look like a targeted attack to you or a random attack? >> it's impossible for me to say that without understanding what the evidence was at the scene. they have interviewed people. they have collected hundreds of pieces of evidence. but they're not telling us what the evidence is and they say they can't tell us why they

believe it is a targeted attack. that's a problem. if you can't communicate the reasons behind your public statements, then you're going to be in trouble with the public. if you don't know, then you should just say you don't kn. if you do know, you need to back that up. and right now they can't do that. that's why there's a problem. >> so when you talk about some of the evidence they've collected, some of that dna. they're starting to get the results of some of the forensic tests. with 2 1/2 weeks or so now since these bodies were discovered, this should accelerate, one would expect, the investigation, maybe narrow some of the potential suspects? >> i believe so. the way i see this there are three topics that they should be pursuing at this point in time. when you don't find immediate evidence right at the scene you need to back up a little bit and expand your perimeter, so to speak. so dna is going to be really critical. when there's a violent attack like this, oftentimes the

suspect will leave some trace, either blood or some other trace evidence there. so that's going to be crucial. the other thing is cell phone data. dumping those cell phone towers and having the fbi team go through that will place people in this area. and then finally video. you know, the biggest lead here i think is going to come about because these murders happened at 3:00 in the morning. there's not a lot of people moving around at that time in the morning. so every ring camera within a two-mile ring of this place should be downloaded. every outlet should be exploited to see who was moving around and try to track those people down. with those three leads or skths of categories of leads i think you can solve this crime. >> i hope so, commissioner. we all hope so, obviously. i'm surprised the police haven't put out any of that video, be on the lookout for this car, this

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lebron james turned the tables on reporters at a post-game presser last night, asking why no one ever asked him about the recent controversy involving jerry jones, the owner of the dallas cowboys. a photo of jones, who was a teenager at the time, recently surfaced showing him participating in a protest against black students trying to enter his recently desegregated high school in arkansas. >> i have one question for you guys before you guys leave. i was thinking when i was on my way over here, i was wondering why i haven't gotten a question from you guys about the jerry jones photo. but when the kyrie thing was going on you guys were quick to ask us questions about that. >> okay. >> hold on. hold on. hold on. and i don't even want you guys to say nothing. when i watched kyrie talk and he

says i know who i am but i want to keep the same energy when we're talking about my people and the things that we've been through and that jerry jones photo is one of those moments that our people, black people have been through in america. and i feel like as a black man, as a black athlete, as someone with power and a platform when we do something wrong or something that people don't agree with it's on every single tabloid, every single news coverage, it's on the bottom ticker, it's asked about every single day. but it seems like to me that the whole jerry jones situation photo, and i know it was years and years ago and we all make mistakes. i get it. but it seemed like it's just

been buried under like oh, it happened, we just -- we just move on. and i was just kind of disappointed i haven't received that question from you guys. >> joining us now is coren phillips. he's a senior writer and editor at deadspin. good to see you. what do you think about what we heard from lebron? is he right? >> he's absolutely right. and what lebron was doing the other night, he wasn't talking about jerry jones because you know, while this is who is at the center of this discussion and this topic that people have been weighing their opinions on, he is talking about the media and how many people in our industry, particularly sports industry where i work, we don't have the same energy for everything across the board like we should. two things can be true at the same time. we can grill kyrie irving all day and all night and rightfully so for the things he's done and have said and want answers from

him. but at the same time that same amount of energy and the same amount of questions need to be posed about jerry jones and we should ask lebron about jerry jones in the same way that we ask about kyrie irving. i understand there are similarities between lebron and kyrie. they play together. they won a championship. but i'm old enough to remember lebron being asked about trump and voting rights and voting and all these other racial and social issues that have come to the forefront since 2016, particularly since colin kaepernick kneeled. so we asked him questions about that. why aren't we asking questions about this? it's because this country and in this industry far too many times we shrug at anti-blackness. just because jerry jones was 14 doesn't mean anything. because the last time i xhekd emmett till was 14 too. >> i thought it was fascinating. i thought it was a fascinating reality check from lebron. and he delivered it in such a sort of rational calm way. it really made me think. and so you think that it's the

media, we just what, have blinders on in terms of not being able to see these as equal things worth questioning and talking about? >> it's not so much the media. it's society as a whole. but if you want to bring it to the media this is one of those examples of why communities of color scream so much about diversity in the media, so that there are enough reporters in the room who would go up to lebron and ask him this question. because look, everything that happened to kyrie irving and all those questions and the backlash he deserved. he earned that. he did those things. he was a grown man who willingly participated in that. in the same way that jerry jones now -- if you read the "washington post" story and read the answers he gave, and that is a part of a series about black coaches in the nfl and how jerry jones and other people have not done enough. the answers and responses that jerry jones gave to what he did at 14 are not good enough for the amount of power a man has who owns, you know, one of the most wealthiest and richest

sports franchise on this planet. if you're going to be the owner that is more popular than your team then ha what comes from that is answering questions like this. and the answers he gave to the "washington post" journalists who wrote this story were not good enough. >> do you think this exchange with lebron james changes anything? >> we'll see. i know lebron has previously spoken about how he grew up as a dallas cowboys fan and he fell back from that because of the way jerry jones personally handled players kneeling and his comments on colin kaepernick. but will we see, you know, more report reporters, especially sports reporters, ask athletes about other racial and social issues outside of what's happening in their particular sports? we will see. will i be surprised if it doesn't happen? no. but i really hope this is a moment where people look at and realize that they need to do better and realize some of the things that's really going on because like lebron said again, keep that same energy.

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new zealand prime minister jacinda arden is being lauded for a mic drop moment during a press conference. arden and her finnish counterpart met in auckland to discuss trade relations in support for ukraine. >> but one reporter's question annoyed them. >> a lot of people are wondering are you meeting just because you're similar in age and, you know, got a lot of, you know, common stuff here, and you got into politics and stuff, or can kiwis actually expect to see more deals between our two countries down the line? >> my first question is i wonder

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too, right? no. i'm offended by that question as a woman, but more as a journalist, like, that's your question? what a waste of an opportunity. you have two prime ministers in front of you, and you're asking about their stuff in common and stuff. so i think that was -- that was bad, but listen. this is why representation matters, because if you are not, you know, matters in politics. it matters also in board rooms and in popular culture, because if you are not seen that often, you ask stupid questions like that. stupid questions like that coming out of your mouth because it is novel to see two heads of state in the same room, and so, you know, yes, it's important that we elect more women into politics and also everywhere else, but representation and seeing that more and more matters so that you know to ask smart questions, not just about

their stuff in common and stuff. >> you know, s.e., the question was sexist, but that's not primarily what i heard. i didn't hear that first. >> what did you hear? >> i thought it was dismissive because of their ages. it was, like, you two are young. are you just getting together to talk? you're not really handling anything like you're heads of government or anything. i thought it was dismissive because of their age first. >> ageism. >> yeah. >> i mean, that happens too, and it's part and parcel. the fact they're both two youngish, attractive women, i'm sure was novel to this person. so i think yeah. there was a lot of condescension and i think ignorance and dumbing down in one question, and i think you're right to see that as part of it, but man, what an opportunity to have asked these two women, impressive women who know a lot about their countries obviously,

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