well, good evening everyone. i'm laura coates. this is "cnn tonight." there is a lot going on tonight. in a big loss the former president, a federal appeals court is saying no to the special master review of documents seized at mar-a-lago. this is first on cnn. a federal judge is ordering the former trump white house attorneys pat cipollone and patrick philbin to now testify in the doj's criminal investigation of the then president's effort to overturn the 2020 election. plus the georgia senate run-off is only five days away and a sign of just how crucial this race really is, we'll look at who is out on the campaign trail tonight. campaigning for raphael warnock and saying this about herschel walker. >> since the last time i was here mr. walker has been talking about issues that are of great importance to the people of

georgia. like whether it's better to be a vampire or a werewolf. this is a debate that he must confess i once had myself. when i was 7. >> as his former boss is campaigning tonight, president joe biden and first lady dr. jill biden are holding their first state dinner hosting french president emmanuel macron and his wife brigitte. and surprise, there's controversy about the menu. we have a lot to talk about tonight. here with me national security attorney bradley moss, also liam donovan former committee aide and the washington correspondent for the atlanta journal constitution. first of all can we just take a second to react to the laughter

in that crowd? i mean, this is crunch time. right? this is not essentially thinking, this is the general, little more composed and thinking, let's have a different take. that from president obama was really going at him. >> that's been a theme in the last few days of warnock's campaign is using herschel walker's own words against him. and they are running an ad that's gone pretty viral that is just voters reacting to herschel walker. >> with head phones. >> yes. and it is very powerful because quite frankly it's what we've been hearing from georgia voters, not all of course, but a lot of georgia voters have been saying the same thing throughout the campaign like is this guy serious? why is he being taken seriously? >> what is your reaction, liam? >> i watched president obama out there having fun. this is a role even to the extent he was ever on the trail to do these sorts of things he hasn't been able to play the attack dog role. he is having fun, mixing it up.

i think this is a role biden would have played on his behalf and now the shoe is on the other foot. >> we'll see if the voters agree. he might be a former president having some fun. brad, you know who is not having fun tonight? i am guessing another former president hoping to be president again. this was a very significant ruling by the 11th circuit to say, you know that special master to review these documents you took from the white house to mar-a-lago and why they're still there? no. tell us why this is so significant. >> yeah. if you're at mar-a-lago hide the ketchup bottles. things are going to start getting thrown. what the 11th circuit did was shut down the entire special master probe and said the judge out in florida who originally authorized the creation of this oversight had exceeded her authority. she never had jurisdiction to look into it in the first place. what the 11th circuit outlines in the 21-page ruling is the former president never put forward any facts or sworn

declarations, anything that would have backed up his claims there was constitutional violations, there was some irreparable harm. this was a ruling basically saying we don't know what you were thinking judge canon but you got it wrong. the whole thing is shut down now. >> it almost seemed like the argument but i'm special. i'm the former president. you can't do this to a former president. that was the talking point about the audacity of executing a search warrant although albeit one that was validly issued but still the fact that it went to mar-a-lago. that did not fly for this court because they were thinking about precedent which we know is a kind of taboo word thinking about how it is overturned recently in washington, d.c. but the idea that they didn't want to set precedent that said this was somehow so special that when doj wanted to have an investigation and have a search warrant just because you didn't want it to happen you got a pass. >> yes. so basically in the ruling they say there is normal case law which we'll abide by. there is a second option which

is all criminal suspects who are subject to the search warrant could get this kind of process. we don't think that is viable. there is a third option the judge canon option which is donald trump is special and deserves this because he is donald j. trump the former president. that wasn't the law they chose to go. they stuck to where the law is right now and the supreme court will have the option to say if they want to intervene. >> when you think about it you have not only the lawyers who are now the counsel thinking about these issues but you lawyers we all know. patrick philbins, cipollone, white house counsel and discussing the presidency more broadly what do you make of the fact this is happening now that they are saying they actually have to testify in a criminal grand jury probe? that is significant politically too. >> this is a president, he just lost an election in 2020 and is

coming off an election where he had a significant downward effect on what should have been a much better election for republicans. he needs to be growing his base of support not shrinking it. the longer these are in the headlines the worse it is for him. it might be true on the republican side at least among the 30 to 40% of the party rock hard for him but the rest of the country is not like that and i think there is a level of fatigue even on voters who might have voted for him in 2016 and potentially 2020. >> it feels like you are bringing the baggage with you. almost like you skrhave the iss of whether it is exhausting and whether this is enough to keep voters motivated to come out. just thinking of the baggage alone, part of this on capitol hill is about what we're all waiting for, this report from the january 6th committee that goes beyond what we've seen in testimony that's already been aired. we know from the congressman speaking earlier today that the

committee tends to release all the findings and to prevent the gop from having a talking point about this being a political witch hunt, not a bipartisan endeavor. listen to her earlier today on our own airwaves. >> well, they've been pretty clear they'd like to undermine the work we've done. we're going to prevent that and release all of the information we've collected so it cannot be selectively edited and spun. >> will this be effective enough to just say, you know what? this will stop the spin. this feels like a bit after fool's errand to avoid entirely but will it be partially effective? >> i don't think it'll stop the spin from trump and his allies and the conservative republicans that no matter what they're always going to have a problem with the january 6th commission. however, the select committee. but i think it will help with the general public because we've seen that the committee has been

very effective in how it conducted itself, the hearings. if it shows its work and is very transparent i think most people will take that in good faith. not on the extremes but those people their minds won't be changed any way. a lot of americans have a lot of faith and interest in the committee and i think the more information the committee provides it'll be consumed. >> i had a flashback to the lesson of my third grade teacher. laura, just show your work and whatever answer you reached we'll believe it. that is the crux of it. the idea of building credibility, showing the work. it cuts to your very good point, the idea of, look. here is what we have. interpret it how you will. here is what it is. i still have questions about what that is going to look like because certain agreements were made about the testimony given and so if you are releasing

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we're now just five days before the pivotal georgia run-off that democrats are hoping will give them 51 votes in the senate. tonight former president obama is campaigning with senator warnock and warning georgia voters not to get tired. >> john lewis even in his 70s wasn't tired. i got no excuses. i can't be tired. and if i'm not tired, you can't be tired. it's the men and women who had to endure the sting of

discrimination, the smack -- those who fought the early fights. those were the tough fights for union rights and voting rights and gay rights and women's rights and if they didn't get tired you can't be tired. >> cnn's senior political analyst kirsten powers is here and liam donovan are back. remember fired up and ready to go, this is a bit of a rift on that the idea of not being tired because for many people you know it is not election day any longer. it's election season. here we are at a point when at first it was thought georgia was going to be the decisive factor about who held the majority. now that's not the case. it is about the one more. is this going to be a resounding message? >> that is a tough message to sell trying to get people fired up about but it is really important. and so as much as that can be

conveyed to voters, but voters often aren't following things that closely because they have lives. they can't be following the ins and outs of washington. it is actually really important because right now joe manchin basically runs the democratic party. right? one person actually can make a really big difference. so this is also, you don't have anybody bringing out the voters necessarily like higher up on the ticket and so you have to really get people riled up in order to get them to turn out. that is why it's important that president obama is doing what he's doing. >> it is also true, right, although this would give an opportunity for say vice president kamala harris to travel a little more because she is not deciding the tiebreaker but in 2020 when there was a 50/50 senate there was an agreement about how to staff the committees. you had the idea of the even divide of republicans and democrats on these committees. if there are 51 democrats there is no longer the requirement

that have to have between shumer and mcconnell to do that. that is a nuance many voters are probably thinking go out because the committee assignments but it is very important nonetheless, right? >> the stakes are very real. it is not just that. the amount of floor time that is expended on discharging things from those type committees, all the other rules, this is a body that works on consent and consensus. and 50/50 gives the minority an inordinate amount of power in a chamber where they already have a significant amount of power. that is the risk is the anticlimax around that democrats have already clinched the senate would risk a low turnout but they're actually blowing it out right now and people can't take their foot off the gas. that is why you're bringing out president obama because they need to keep this electorate as young as possible, as diverse as possible, and republicans are trying to tug back older and a little whiter. >> on that point i'd love your

reaction because you did hear tonight president obama talking about specifically georgia women and the idea of who would fight and turn out and a reminder it was thought to be roe-vember at one point. listen to what he had to say. >> who's going to fight for you? is it the party who is cutting tax for the rich and big corporations? the party who wants to gut social security and medicare? flood our streets with more guns? decide who you love, when you should start a family? or is it the party that's trying to put people back to work and lower costs and make health care more affordable and keep our communities safe and save our planet and give every woman the ability to make her own decision about her own body?

that's the choice in this election. >> i mean, he knows what side the bread is buttered and it's women voters, right? >> yeah. i mean, of course he is preaching to the choir. you've got to be pretty fired up as a warnock supporter to wait in the line and get in the big crowd to hear president obama speak, but it is all about energizing the base so they can then go home and encourage others to vote in what we know is that abortion was a motivating factor in the midterm elections. it is one of the reasons democrats were so successful. yes, those pocketbook issues, inflation, the economy. number one for voters on both sides of the aisle. but abortion was way up there and a lot of voters said it mattered when it came to which candidates they supported in the general election. and so now there's clear contrast between warnock and walker on the issue of abortion in many of the culture war issues and i think president

obama was, you know, smart to highlight them again as a motivating factor going into the run-off. >> liam, in terms of the contrast, and excuse me, i'd love you to weigh in as well, there is a contrast in terms of who is showing up to endorse and rev up the crowd. the former president barack obama, for senator warnock. senator graham will be stumping for herschel walker. mike pompeo was supposed to attend but had a family emergency. i wonder what you make of senator lindsey graham there to do this >> i think you had a pretty big crowd of people throughout the election come down, tom cotton at one point, leader mcconnell was down there, so having lindsey graham come in is just strong trump allies, people trying to get out the base, people can appeal to that element of the party. i just remember being down there for the 2008 run-off and it was

sarah palin coming to rev up the crowd. this is something you always try to do is pull out your best surrogates. that was the challenge on the democratic side. i think you had t.i. out there trying to get out the vote for the democrat there. having president obama is a pretty big counterbalance and republicans don't really have anybody to bring in when donald trump is on the sidelines >> i knew his play list included young and t.i. what do you make of senator lindsey graham there? again, a time when you have a lot of money going into these races at this late juncture and the democrats out spending, probably what senator graham did with jamie harrison where he was out spent and begging people to contribute. >> lindsey graham and barack obama are not on par with each other but i think lindsey graham has been one of his most outspoken supporters and i personally don't think lindsey graham will really inspire that many people to turn out to vote. but it can't hurt him i guess.

it's been lindsey graham and ted cruise really trying to send the message. we've seen them escorting him on his interviews. basically, clearly trying to send a message that he's going to do what we tell him to do. >> you know, he is going to vote the way we tell him to vote. and that's the message they're trying to get to the people that are feeling, maybe feeling a little squeamish about some of the stories that have come out about herschel walker and just saying ignore those stories. this is a transaction basically kind of like it was with donald trump and he may have possibly paid for an abortion but he is going to vote against abortion rights. >> that idea of the mentoring candidate is being used against him and the thought of how this will play for democrats. in the time we have left i am curious about president biden's proposal of changing the order in which primaries are conducted hoping to have south carolina go first. this is during a week of course

when, you know, congressman jim clyburn spoke about needing representation of the south in leadership. what do you make of the prospects of this being a successful proposal? >> you know, it is really interesting because all of these states are clamoring. you've got michigan in the mix, georgia in the mix. you've got nevada in the mix. and so i think this is the start of a conversation. it does not look like something that is going to be easily settled because no matter what there are going to be states that are making the case. i think there is a strong case for south carolina, for a state from the south where, you know, there is a big population center that's not currently represented in the early states. there are much more diverse states than we currently have as our first states that are, you know, more representative of the demographics of america now. so it is clear there will be a shift, but i don't know if biden's proposal is just going to be accepted easily. there might be a little bit of a

fight first. >> and the point to have black voters assumingly have their way earlier is the point? >> yeah. well, to have the early states be state that look more like america and aren't so, you know, iowa not only is not the most diverse state but the way it conducts primaries are kind of out of step with the vast majority of the u.s. states. it's just, it seems like a relic of a time that doesn't really reflect american politics now especially on the democratic side. >> the thing that is interesting about it is if this had been the way it was set up when barack obama and hillary clinton were running we might not have had a barack obama. iowa is what launched barack obama, this white state, right, at a time when black voters were aligned with hillary clinton and were very skeptical not because they didn't support barack obama but because they didn't think white people would. they were thinking a black president. is it really going to happen?

iowa voters were the ones that actually voted for him and then he was on his way. and so i do think it is important to have a more diverse representation in the first votes but it is kind of interesting how it's worked out. of course south carolina is also, you know, i mean joe biden, what would his candidacy be, right? it's like it's just interesting. it didn't help kamala harris. it didn't help cory booker. it's an interesting kind of conundrum >> i tell you, there's going to be a lot of proposed candidates learning the state fair. it's the final election night of a surprising midterm season. so join cnn for the georgia run-off between senator raphael warnock and herschel walker. our coverage starts tuesday at 4:00 p.m. eastern. joe biden is also holding his first state dinner as president hosting french president emmanuel macron and they held

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to president macron and his wife brigitte, to france, ladies and gentlemen, to the history that binds us and the values that still unite us. and the future we'll forge together. viva la france and god bless america. my guests are all back with us. this is the first state dinner since 2019 and also his in his first presidency. i wonder with an event like this, you know, during the pandemic a lot of the pomp and circumstance was really sort of stripped away. remember different awards ceremonies with people questioning do we really need things like this? this is a time when diplomacy is being questioned in terms of its effectiveness. what do you make of the need to still have things like this? >> it is an important signal that we're back in business. it's a sign of normalcy,

bilateral diplomacy with allies that might have been antagonized by the previous presidency, who had early, bumpy stages of the biden presidency. this is an important ritual, something we haven't seen in years, and i think it is a sign we're back to normal both as an administration and as a country. >> there was a moment that was kind of not normal today in terms of reaction though people may think it is, the ability to criticize the administration over things, they are serving certain foods today. butter poached lobster, which frankly makes my mouth water. i'll admit that. i also had spaghettios for dinner. i have two kids. they had hot dogs in theirs. wonderful. when you think about it, the reason they were questioning it is because there was a tweet from representative jared golden out of maine where we think of lobsters of course saying if the biden white house can prioritize purchasing 200 maine lobsters

for a fancy dinner, should also take time to meet with the maine lobstermen his administration is currently regulating out of business. it was an opportunity to really point out hypocrisy that not many maybe have focused on. >> i mean, i think it is a fair point honestly. i think they feel maine lobster, people feel there is an existential threat to their business and they want the president to deal with it and a good opportunity to give your communications director a raise because it is a way to get attention and i think totally fair. not out of bounds. >> when you look at it and think of the discussions obviously, it is in a way, maybe rich nation problems to talk about the poached lobster dinner knowing that three hours' worth they had a sit down conversation, the french president with president biden and the focus was on ukraine. we know, known as the bred

basket of europe, the impact of the invasion to ukraine having extraordinary implications on food sourcing across the globe particularly areas of africa. when you think of what happened behind the closed doors what do you think transpired to move the needle in that direction? >> i think it is always good when leaders of nations can meet face to face because they don't get to get together very often. they don't get to do one-on-one very often. president macron brought all of his top aides and he can meet with all these american folks and members of congress and so it wasn't just a dinner. i think it is important because ukraine is not the only thing they had to talk about. it was an important thing but they needed to talk about china, probably needed to talk about climate change. but the issues are endless and so however much time they were able to spend and president macron has been everywhere.

he went to nasa, again, to meet with congress. a lot of face time because the leaders know that their issue list is long. >> the face time did include, you're right, the inflation reduction act, the ideas of climate change. this relationship between france and the u.s. so strategically advantageous at a time like this. >> it is. this is the original ally of the united states somebody right in the middle of everything from ukraine diplomacy with russia, with china, with iran. there is so much that macron is in the middle of and having that relationship be as strong as possible and demonstrating to the world it is strong as possible is really important right now. >> demonstrations of diplomacy i think is the way, the uniting factor here and what it looks like for other nations to know who you can mess with and who you cannot and essentially answer the question, you and what army, right?

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lebron james calling out reporters at a press conference this week the nba star asking reporters why they were quick to question him about kyrie irving but not about dallas cowboys owner jerry jones in a recently emerged photo from 1957. the picture appears to show a then 14-year-old jones at an antidesegregation protest outside north little rock high

school in arkansas. it was a protest about trying to maintain segregation and this was the problem here. here is what james had to say about the coverage. >> it's a black man, black athlete, someone with power and a platform. when we do something wrong or something people don't agree with every single tabloid, news coverage, on the bottom ticker, asks about it every single day but it seems to me the whole jerry jones situation photo and i know it was years and years ago and we all make mistakes. i get it. it seems like it's just been buried under oh, it happened. okay. we just move on. >> cnn's sports analyst christine brennan and former player, i'm glad to have you both here. let me start with you, ephraim

because you think lebron has a point and i have to say the coverage about kyrie irving compared to jerry jones, very different. here is what jerry jones had to say i mind you about that picture. here he is. >> that was, gosh, 65 years ago. and curious kid. i didn't know at the time the monumental event really that was going on and i'm sure glad that we're a long way from that. >> what do you make of the standard lebron is referring to, double standard of the coverage and also the way in which black athletes have to atone it seems he was implying. what do you think? >> i get exactly what lebron james is saying.

as a former professional athlete myself i've been asked a myriad of questions about nonsports related things, nonfootball related things. social justice things and so on and so forth. so this wasn't even about the photo of jerry jones. he wasn't even talking about the actual photo and what he thought about jerry jones. what he was talking about was where is the media coverage, the fire storm? where is all of the questions? i saw some of the questions. why would they ask you about jerry jones, lebron? that is football not basketball. i would say lebron james is probably the athlete that was asked more questions about nonbasketball related things atlanta any other professional athlete -- than any other professional athlete, so to say

what do you care, he was expecting the question and it's a shame the media coverage for jerry jones in that photo wasn't the same and it wasn't as aggressive as for kyrie irving. kyrie irving is still going through backlash. they suspended him. he lost money. all he did was tweet something. i get it. was it right or wrong? that is for you to determine and decide but as people in the media we should have a standard and hold everyone accountable and that is just not happening >> i want to bring you into the conversation. the statement all he did was tweet, let's be very clear it wasn't as if he tweeted lol or an emoji. the concern was about the substance, the matter and nature of the documentary done with anti-semitism. and so the larger point here is about i think a bit of a cop out

to suggest oh, lebron we only want to ask you about basketball. this is a person infamously told to stay in his lane because he had the nerve to venture outside of athletics and talk about social issues. that is a cop out. >> yes. as a journalist i would promise you that i would ask those questions and would have tried as quickly as possible after "the washington post" story. it absolutely is an issue and deserving of our attention. racism at any time, 65 years ago or today, matters. especially because jerry jones, the owner of the dallas cowboys, the most lucrative team in american sports, any league, you know, any sport, in addition to being the owner of the dallas cowboys he is basically the second most important person in the nfl to roger goodell and is never as the owner of the dallas cowboys had a black head coach. so it matters and that is as you know a big issue.

60% to 70% of nfl players are african american and the dallas cowboys the marquee team in the nfl never a black coach. under jerry jones. so that is a big issue and it relates to now. i think we can all agree anti-semitism is terrible. it's wrong. we should always ask questions and root it out and discuss it as much as possible. racism at any point, we should discuss it and i agree these issues both deserve attention >> i know lebron james was a life long avid dallas cowboys fan. >> of course. >> he recently talked about how he switched his allegiance to the cleveland browns in part because of the dallas cowboys' position and policy about having to stand for and only in one specific way honor the national anthem. what is your reaction? >> my reaction is you just can't

dismiss the past and laugh off and say oh, that was so long ago. wow. they dug that up. that was so long ago. because we're still dealing with the same type of issues now currently. when you talk about the disparity between coaches and people of power, nfl owners and players compared to players who make up between 75% and 80% of nfl teams and there are very few black head coaches, no african american owners, then, yeah. that is something you can't laugh off because we are seeing it play out in real time. you want to talk about segregation and desegregation, it seemed like the top of the food chain in the nfl is pretty celebrated. if we want to get into the issue we can talk about that and it'll fall on jerry jones. whatever you've done as one of the most prominent owners to desegregate the ownership group,

head coaches, and things like that. it is very important and not something you can just laugh off. we as media have to hold accountable not juf the athletes or african americans. there is a double standard here that at some point has to stop. >> i agree everyone's feet should be held for the fire for the issues that matter most. if you are in an ownership position and inth know the use the term, if there are photos like this does it influence your decision making process about aspects right now in 2022 or everything since that photo is a fair question and i encourage people to continue to ask. that is the business we're in. thank you both. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> the u.s. is gearing up to face off against the netherlands in the world cup as the final 16 teams take shape. so will one of america's star players be ready for the game

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we're now two days away from the united states next big world cup game against the netherlands, they play saturday morning at ten eastern, so set your clocks. but all eyes are on christian pulisic, he's a star on the u.s. men's national team, which you know was injured well scoring that game-winning goal against iran. today, he spoke with the press. listen. >> like i said before, i'm taking it day by day right now. i will do everything in my power to, you know, work with this medical team and make sure that i can play. >> back with me now, christine brennan, and joining us wall street journalist sports reporter, joshua robinson. you are out there in qatar, i'm so glad you're here helping us to understand as well. let me start with you, because i want to know what you're

anticipating most on saturday, the netherlands are not a team to seize at, a very significant and strong team. we're running for usa. >> well, the bad news is, the netherlands is probably the best team never to win the world cup. the good news is, this is maybe a slightly diminished version of the netherlands. one that doesn't play a traditional style and for the first time, maybe for a u.s. team at the world cup, feels pretty beatable. >> that's really good. and thinking about it, christine, i'm paraphrasing here, a little bit of a susan luci of this world cup. a lot of people counted this world team out. we know the discussion with the rain, the political overshadowing aspect of things, but this team has people a little bit of a spring in their step the coverage of it, this team in and of itself a draw? >> absolutely. josh is doing such a great job

covering, and back over here on this side of the pond, joshua, people are really into this. i think that we all knew it was gonna happen, this tournament is november december. it's not in the summer as it usually is. it's going right up against college football. michigan, ohio state, big nfl games. and it is more than holding its own tv ratings twice. >> by the way, there's history being made to, all women refs in a match as well. >> absolutely. for the first time ever, the head referee and the other two referees all three were women in the germany costa rica match. of course, they did a great job, and good credit to fifa for doing that. another example of how the game is reaching out and certainly trying to get more opportunities for women, which is wonderful to see. >> joshua, you know, there has been some disappointment at some shocks as well at the world cup, and you're out there, there is the idea of counting out both germany and belgium today. have been knocked off the world

cup in the next round. what happened? >> well, belgium, which was a team that was cutout it for so long as having this unique generational talent, it turns out, got old. that's what happens to all of us. and so, they got to a point where that golden generation just aged out a little bit, got a little bit stale and was knocked out in the group stage in a really shocking way. but even crazier, was what happened in the group involving spain and germany. turns out, japan when the group after beating both spain and germany. and so, what happened today, finn beating spain to one a result no one expected, japan also eliminated germany, despite germany's win against costa rica. that was really one of the upsets of the tournament so far. >> i mean, right now, it seems like anyone's match to win. so everyone's leaning into see what happens next. so great to hear from both of you, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> well, speaking of a matchup,

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