tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN December 2, 2022 5:00pm-6:00pm PST
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what looks like smog but it's called bog. that's the volcanic smog version, and it's not plumes of smoke. that's what experts try to stress. and they've been stressing that here officials in particular. these are acidic gases. so they're very toxic, very dangerous especially if they start to spread widely, so that's what they're monitoring really closely. and they're certainly advising folks who have respiratory issues to keep their distance. as of now they're confident there's no imminent danger so folks can take it in for its beauty. >> it is. and looking at the image taken yesterday on the screen, it is. it is a thing of power. you can't look at it and not feel awe. >> it's humbling. >> thanks to all of you for being with us. it's time now for ac 360. good evening. early voting ended tonight in georgia's senate runoff. according to one georgia election official it set a record for the day, which is no surprise considering it's been
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setting daily records from the start. a lot is certainly riding on the challenge including the former president's reputation as a party king maker. this would mean senate democrats can hold hearings and provide a counterweight perhaps to the house which would be in republican hands come january. now, beyond that there's a question of what kind of person the people of georgia want representing them. herschel walker is a local and national sports hero. he's also been the target of numerous allegations during the campaign about his personal life and his character. late today at a fund-raiser in boston president biden weighed in saying walker is, quote, a different breed, unquote, from republicans he dealt with in the senate. and then added, quote, he doesn't deserve to be in this race, something former president obama also mockingly suggested in campaigning for senator warnock last night in atlanta. >> mr. walker has been talking about issues that are of great
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importance to the people of georgia like whether it's better to be a vampire or a werewolf. this is a debate that i must confess i once had myself. when i was 7. then i grew up. as far as i'm concerned he can be anything he wants to be except for a united states senator. since the last time i was here apparently he also claimed that he used to let me beat him at basketball. but then he admitted that we've never actually met.
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so i guess this was more of an imaginary whooping that i laid on him. >> now, much of the rest of his message to democrats as far as walker's surrogates have been sending to his supporters namely get out and vote. and voters seem to be taking that message to heart. >> reporter: on the final day of early voting long lines did not deter georgians from heading to the polls. >> this runoff is so important. >> there's a sense of accomplishment to come in and get it done early. >> reporter: just four days until tuesday's runoff, and neither candidate is letting up. >> i said enough is enough. now what we've got to do is get out and vote. >> we can't rest on our laurels. we -- it's way too early to do a happy dance. >> reporter: new cnn polling shows democratic incumbent rafael warnock holds a slim lead over republican challenger herschel walker. among likely runoff voters 52%
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say they plan to support warnock. 48% say they plan to vote for walker. both candidates enjoy overwhelming support from their respective parties. independents, however, break in favor of warnock, 61% to 36%. but make up a relatively small slice of likely voters. turnout has been strong during the early voting period, but the overall turnout still lags behind the georgia senate runoffs in january 2021 with this year's runoff having fewer days of early voting under the state's new voting law. both candidates making their closing arguments to voters with walker continuing to tie warnock to president joe biden. >> he went to georgia and said he was going to represent georgia, but who is he representing? joe biden. >> reporter: and warnock urging voters to keep pushing, not taking the early vote totals for granted, and maintaining the race is about competence and
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character. >> georgia, i need you to do it one more time! >> the early voter turnout appears to be really high in georgia as we said. there's important context to help understand the numbers. >> reporter: yeah, there sure is, anderson. we have seen record breaking daily turnout during this early vote period, but we are also trending behind the overall 2021 runoff election. and, you know, so both of these things can be true here. and that is likely a deux to the compressed voting schedule. in the runoff just two years ago there was nine weeks of voting. right now we only have four weeks. and this is of deep frustration to the voting rights community here. there are less mandatory days of early voting in the state this time around. i spoke to one woman online this week in a long line this week here in atlanta and she told me, yes, she was excited to vote,
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paying attention to this election. but the last time around she felt as though it was easier to vote in the last runoffch. >> thank you. two perspectives now on how the race is shaping up. former south carolina democratic state lawmaker bakari sellers. and martha zeller who worked in the campaign with david perdue and republican governor brian kemp. you heard kemp talk about putting the early voting numbers into con text. when you look at turnout so far what's the take away for you? >> i'm looking closely where the turnout is. if you look at how herschel walker did against governor kemp in the counties that were atlanta south he ran around 2% behind governor kemp. but in the counties where about 60% of the voters live in georgia they ran behind governor
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kemp. >> bakari, last night van jones called this a decision between the pride of the community and the shame of the community. i'm wondering if you see it that way. >> i do wholeheartedly, and i think a lot of people are missing this tone and tenor. i think a lot of people probably do not understand culturally the impact of what it means for herschel walker to be elected. i mean black folk are pissed off 100% that republicans nominated someone who represents every stereo type, every prejudice, every bias that individuals have against us. and you think about this and the totality of it. you put him up against rafael warnock who is a pastor from literally ebenezer baptist church, which is doctor king's church. you look at him being inarticulate. you look at the fact he is someone who cannot have a conversation with you -- he being herschel walker cannot have a conversation with you
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without any depth. yes, there is a great deal of shame. how that translates into the ground i will tell you there's a large amount of energy of individuals, and usually this is not the democratic playbook. usually democrats aren't someone who come out and simply say we're going to vote against that individual, but, look, we are voting against in large numbers herschel walker. that is the fact of the matter. >> i want to look at new cnn polling from today. it shows georgia independents break from warnock in georgia. there's also a big age gap in the upcoming contest. voters under 35 sharply under warnock. those 65 and older breaking in walker's favor. is there anything in the new polling that stands out to you as an advantage for walker? >> even with all the money still being spent it's pretty much in the margin of error, and i think it will depend upon turnout.
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to bakari's point one of i think the worst moments in the campaign for senator warnock is he did a series of ads where he used the worst pictures of herschel walker. now i've run for office before and i know that's a standard practice, okay. but it was a sweaty picture of herschel walker with a mouthpiece in looking -- really looking like those stereotypes and it was a paid for warnock ad. it wasn't an outside ad. it was a series of them. so, you know, while i don't disagree completely with what bakari said, i will disagree that the warnock campaign has played into that also and they have played up that stereotype. and i think there's going to have to be a lot of soul-searching going have to happen after this campaign. >> how many voters do you think are still persuadable? is it more just about -- i guess it's more about excitement or getting people to actually go out and vote?
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>> we're beyond persuading voters, anderson. i think everyone would agree with that. we're about getting voters to the polls. i'm someone who doesn't believe necessarily that georgia is a purple state. i don't think georgia is a purple state. i think that was indicative by the amount brian kemp won by in his general election campaign. i think that georgia is a common sense state. and i think that common sense voters, democrats, republicans, independents, those voters who are in brookhaven, which is a suburb of atlanta, those kind of suburban buck hphead voters are going to determine this election. the fact is you can comment on -- i didn't see those ads. i don't live here. you can comment on those ads that may or may not be provocative. i don't know if rafael warnock did that, but i will take -- i will take that -- you know, i will give her credit for that. but what i will tell you is even more importantly people see what
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type of candidates both of them are, and you can just -- you can put your hand on the bible and say that rafael warnock is a better candidate than herschel walker. there's been no greater discrepancy in the talent and the value of winning or belonging in the united states senate in this race we've seen in georgia. >> martha, do you think some of the people who will vote for walker aren't necessarily voting for him because they think he's the greatest guy or think he's, you know, of upstanding moral character or whatever, but they just want a republican in that seat and they want to just vote republican? >> well, i think the choice is do you want someone that's going to vote with president biden 96% of the time, or do you want someone that's going to vote like a republican? and the thing herschel walker has to do and what he's going to do you're going to see him a lot with governor kemp over the last few days. you're going to see him looking at that in that direction because he is the most popular republican in georgia, brian
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kemp is. so i think that's what the choice is going to be if herschel walker wants to win. but i've gill it to all the pundits, this is going to be a close race. and you're right georgia is not a purple state yet because so many republicans stayed home in the 2020 election. it was about 430,000 that got the message from former president trump you can vote but your vote may not count. and so 400,000 republicans stayed home. so we're going to see what happens here, but it was a good night on november 8th for republicans in georgia, and we're going to have to close the gap on tuesday. >> bakari, what do you think it means for former president trump if walker does not win? >> i mean i -- i don't know. i will leave that to others to describe. i think georgia republicans are probably the only group of individuals who've adequately
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repudiated everything president trump stands for. they've all come on national tv or through their campaign actually said the election was not stolen. i also acknowledge that's a low bar, but they've cleared that low bar for democracy. herschel walker is who herschel walker is. let's not sugar coat this is. this is still going to be a close race which i think is a travesty and a tragedy. i'm not sure anybody who comes on your show be them democrat or republican, anderson, with a straight face can tell you that herschel walker should be in the united states senate. look, if you want to disagree with some of the values of who or the principals, conservative versus progressive of who warnock is so be it. herschel walker does not deserve anyone's vote in the united states senate. >> it's good to have you on. thank you both. appreciate it. now to an election where there's no polling, only one front-runner but where it all
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could become unglued for that front-runner with a handful of votes is in a nutshell house leader kevin mccarthy's existence right now. he wants to be the upcoming house speaker but because his majority is so slim he's got to try to keep as many hard liners as possible from voting no as some have already vowed to do. and not end up a hostage to the extreme supporters of the former president if he actually gets the job but also not alienate them completely which might explain some of his recent verbal contorsions. >> i don't think anybody should be spending any time with nick fuentes. he has no place in this republican party. i think president trump came out four times and condemned him and didn't know who he was. >> just a point of fact the former president has never condemned that person let alone four times. in any event congressman
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mccarthy's zigzagging is not new after the january 6th attack on congress. >> the president bears responsibility on wednesday's attack on congress by mob rioters. he should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. these facts require immediate action of president trump. >> that was days after the insurrection, famously not days after he was back at mar-a-lago cur yg favor with his supporters. cnn's manu raju joins us with more news. as of tonight how does mccarthy's path to the speakership, how does it look like he'll get there? >> reporter: it's really uncertain at this point, anderson. and this is precisely the concern mccarthy and his allies had in the run up to the mid-terms. they spent a ton of money. they wanted 230 seats, 235 seats, maybe even 240 seats. they got probably we're look at 222 seats. and that means to become elected speaker you need to have 218
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votes on january 3rd. so if more than four republicans vote against him or vote for another candidate, that means he will have a problem, and right now there are about five republicans, hard liners, who are signaling they're either hard-nosed or very likely to vote against him meaning mccarthy that the moment has a math problem. talking to some of of those hard liners they tell me there's more than five. they said there could be 20, an even larger number than that. and some told me he's urging to make clear mccarthy doesn't have the vote, and at that point he says there'll be another candidate who will emerge. >> there's quality candidates who represent the conservative center of the republican conference who are privately acknowledging that once it becomes clear if not kevin mccarthy they're interested in becoming speaker. but they're not going to raise their hand publicly until it's clear to them it's not kevin mccarthy. >> are you one of those private
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no votes? >> the whole point here is to have a conversation now. i'm not talking about how i'm going to vote or not vote. what i'm talking about is my constituents sent me here to end the status quo. >> so that last congressman is what gives the congressmen some hope. they hope they can win over some of those detractors and critics. a letter was sent from 21 republicans warning about dire consequences of a messy floor fight on the first day of the new congress, saying in the letter make no mistake we'll not allow this conference to be dragged down a path to a paralyzed house that weakens our hard fought majority showing real signs of tension even before they take the majority next year, anderson. >> is there anyone who could actually make a run at the speakership if he doesn't get the 218 votes? >> that's also unclear. what we have learned is that republicans in this hard line group have reached out and some of mccarthy's own top deputies
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including steve scalise, the number two republican, and the number three as well as jim jordan expected to be the house judiciary chairman. they asked all of them to jump into this race. we're told all of them said no and they're backing mccarthy. the hope of these mccarthy detractors is once it's abundantly clear he cannot become elected speaker someone else can jump into this race, perhaps one of those three. at the moment they're not signaling just that. but this is such a rare scenario we're talking about. if he cannot get 218 votes mccarthy on january 3rd then we'll go into second voting, even a third voting. 1923 was the last time there has been more than one ballot to elect a speaker. it's possible that could happen again. coming up next for us tonight the latest on the january 6th committee and now the special counsel has been appointed will the committee
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less than a day after a federal judge ordered them to do it, the former president's top two white house lawyers went back before a white house grand jury. patrick fillman arriving at lunchtime. his former boss pat cipollone testifying earlier. both men declined to answer certain questions citing the former president's claims of executive and attorney-client privilege. in the meantime the house january 6th committee met today on whether to defer criminal charges against the former president and others to the department of justice. sara murray has been doing reporting on this. she joins us now. do we know anything about pat cipollone's appearance to the grand jury today? >> what prosecutors want is more information about conversations these two men had with former
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president trump directly and advice they gave him. obviously we don't know exactly what they told the grand jury. those proceedings are secret, but we know these are people who are in close proximity to donald trump in the final days in the aftermath when he lost the presidency. we know cipollone pushed back on a number of efforts trump was making to try to overturn the election. we know he and philbin both pushed back. obviously they have a lot of information, a lot of front row insights prosecutors want as they delve into efforts to subvert this peaceful transition of power. >> the house january 6th committee is expected to wrap up the investigation, deliver a final report. what's exactly left to finalize? >> they know it's crunch time and they have a lot left to finalize. they're talking about how they need to get this off to the printer but they haven't done that yet. they need to make a decision on
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criminal referrals. we've heard them talking about this over and over again, how it could send such a powerful signal. even though doj is not taking cues from the committee they feel like it could send a powerful signal about their work. they also have to decide what they want to do about republican lawmakers, people like kevin mccarthy, people like jim jordan who snubbed the committee's subpoenas. do they want to try to hold them in contempt of congress, or do nothing because republicans were going to take control in january? they have a couple more weeks to make these decisions. again, you can tell in every conversation with them they know they're going down to the wire. >> sara murray, appreciate it. thank you. more on all that as well as the 11th court of appeals overturning the special mast in the mar-a-lago documents case and the rebuke to the federal judge who ordered it. former white house counsel jim dean joins us now. john, how much more jeopardy in your opinion could the former
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president be in now that pat cipollone and patrick philbin have appeared before the federal grand jury? is there anything that would change in their willingness to talk about things they hadn't been willing to talk about before because of presidential privilege? >> i think what they were doing, anderson, was waiting for a judge to order them to speak. they were -- they had a commitment under the attorney-client executive privilege they could have decided we're not going to honor that. but the attorney-client they don't throw off quite as easily. so what the grand jury got was a lot of first-hand information what they had told the president, the president's reaction there to all the things sarah nicely summarized. and that's a lot of information that the grand jury did not have. so this to me would increase mr. trump's jeopardy considerably. >> so just to be clear, john, you think that because the judge ruled in this and sent them back to testify they would say things, for instance, they wouldn't say to the january 6th
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committee because of executive privilege? >> absolutely. that's right. that nails it. >> on the mar-a-lago documents case were you surprised at the ruling at all? >> no, i wasn't surprised. you know, to some degree trump has been able -- trump's lawyers have been able to play out this string. and, you know, because you are journalists and you want to give due to what they were filing, they were filing documents, which, you know, to anybody who knew anything, made no sense. the notion that any criminal defendant after a search can go into a court and say stop the presses here, i want to look at all the documents, give me back the documents, i want to see whether you see things that you shouldn't have seized. and any criminal defendant -- let me actually change that. anybody who has a search before they were indicted had rights to control the investigation is absurd. there's certainly attorney-client privileges. law firms get special masters,
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but no one had ever been treated this way. and if the former president says, you know, he's treated worse because he's a former president and he's trump, it's actually the reverse. these documents were considered and dig ifnified and the 11th circuit finally said as the district court judge should have said enough, this is absurd. >> and i understand you've given consideration to where charges might ultimately be brought against the former president. there's palm beach. that's where mar-a-lago is located. or in december where he removed the documents, where the documents were removed from. >> that's actually going to be a complicated question, and i don't think we have all the facts to answer it. on the surface here there was clearly illegal retention of national defense information and documents that didn't belong to him after he left the presidency. that retention, the holding -- the withholding of that, the concealing of that takes place in mar-a-lago. but the taking of the documents started in d.c. but arguably
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started when he was still president and had a right to these documents. the testimony of pat cipollone and others might help understand whether there was a conspiracy to illegally retain the documents that began in the district of columbia. if that's so, then the charges can be brought in the district of columbia, which, you know, one thing we know for certain, by the way, is even if the charges were brought in palm beach, i don't think judge canon would be sitting on this case. but the 11th circuit slap down essentially saying you had no jurisdiction to do what you're doing, i think should foreclose her sitting on the case in the future. >> who decides something like that, though? >> let's say the venue issue is something the department of justice has to decide. what were the acts committed -- >> who decides if it does go to florida who would make the decision, well, the judge who made this, you know, inappropriate ruling before
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shouldn't get the case? >> well, what happens it goes into a draw. it goes into essentially a lottery. and if she wound up getting the case again there would certainly be motions to disqualify her, and then the chief judge of the circuit could weigh in and say, you know, you should be disqualified. unlike the supreme court -- i have to say this -- there are ethics rules that apply to the district court and are actually enforced. >> so, john, with the january 6th committee do you think -- you know, there's the question of whether they will submit something to the department of justice about prosecution. they don't need to. it's not like the doj is waiting around for a referral from the january 6th committee. do you think thir their final report is going to focus on the former president himself as opposed to the totality of events on that day? >> i think that is the case. certainly there's some rumbling the staff was unhappy about the focus of the final report, that
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it did focus on trump too much. but on this issue of referral, there's probably a pretty good consensus that they will make referral. and the reason i think that's the case is because they've got overwhelming evidence and it will be more than donald trump. it'll be other players that we heard less about that they will make those referrals. now, justice doesn't have to -- they cannot totally ignore that information, but what it does is affects the public perception of the case, i think that could put a little wind behind the sail of the department if they make the referrals. >> on the flip side of that do you think the department of justice wants to a get a referral from the january 6th committee just in terms of the optics of it? should it give a whiff of politics to something merrick garland is trying to keep apolitical. >> on the other hand the january 6th report if it's anything like the live testimony will tell a
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complete narrative that the department of justice is unable to tell in the confines of a formal indictment. they can say much more -- >> they can tell the story essentially. >> they can tell the story as they really have in sort of the way journalists tell the story. you know, the legal proceedings are much more structured and much more formal. so on the one hand that story may be one the department of justice wants to see out there. but, yes, it gives a whiff of politics. but, you know, frankly, at this point that's unavoidable, just unavoidable. >> appreciate it. thank you. coming up alex jones declaring personal bankruptcy. what does it mean for the fam es of victims who are owed more than a billion dollars after two successful defamation suits? will jones ever pay the money he owes? we'll look at that next.
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bankruptcy today. the filing could potentially delay the nearly $1.5 billion two state courts have awarded families and others who sued jones for defamation on false claims about the sandy hook massacre, the victims and their families. later this month it's going to mark ten years since the mass shooting that killed 26 people including 20 children. it's about how long these family members have been waiting to hold mr. jones to account. within hours of the attack jones was spinning lies about the shooting being a false flag event. hidculing them, lying about them. in october i spoke with some sandy hook parents and the daughter of the principal who was murdered who told us these verdicts were important because they send a strong message not just to jones but, quote, for anyone who has a sick aspiration to be like him. i'm joined now by "the new york times" elizabeth williamson who's reported extensively on the tragedy and its aftermath
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and lawsuits. her book is extraordinary. also joining us is cnn senior legal analyst eli honing, former assistant u.s. attorney. i know you looked through jones' bankruptcy filing. what stood out to you? >> so what he said in his assets section of today's filing, anderson, will surely be challenged by the families. he says he has assets of between 1 and $10 million. the families maintain he has much more than that, and in fact, he has siphoned $60 million out of the business possibly into his -- into the coffers of family and himself. so that's what they allege. they'll definitely be questioning what the filing was today and trying to find that money. >> does filing for bankruptcy, can he hide all these assets? >> he's certainly trying but i don't think it's going to succeed. it might even backfire, anderson. and here's why.
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a person cannot declare bankruptcy and have all his debts miraculously vanish. not these debts, not when you're talking about a judgment the trial verdict here that involves an intentional wrong, and here we're talking about defamation. that's what alex jones was found liable for. that is intentional. the families, what this does, though, it complicates the task for them. now they have to basically get online with other creditors, other people owed money. and what alex jones is trying to do is sort of shrink the amount of money available to them. he's taking money, moving it all over. he's trying to create these ridiculous debts that elizabeth reports on where he essentially owes himself and his parents $50 million in order to sort of jump that line ahead of the parents. but what i think this is going to result in is the parents and their lawyers have every incentive to track down this money and make sure he pays it. >> during the first defamation trial, elizabeth, in texas, there was a forensic economist who testified jones had moved
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around a lot of his money. i mean, how much do you know about that? how much had their lawyers learned about that? >> well, as elie said, you know, he has claimed he's indebted to the tune of $54 million to an llc of a company that is controlled by himself and his parents. so in a way it's a kind of shell game. he is worth between 130 and $270 million, according to that forensic economists. >> wow. wait, alex jones is worth what, 200 and what? >> between 130 and $270 million. >> wow. >> so for him to say he has assets of between 1 and $10 million is just something that will be absolutely challenged by the families and their lawyers. yeah, and he earns revenues of up to $70 million a year. so it's a lot of money we're
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talking about here, and he's trying to make it as elie said look like a little bit. the families challenge even the notion that he is bankrupt because of these debts to essentially himself and the money that he has been moving out of the company into things like real estate and related ventures and things that the families and really nobody at this moment fully understand. >> elie, it's extraordinary to me this guy who plays this tough guy on his, you know, broadcasts and acts like he's this big tough guy with these security guards who are all dressed identically and i guess they plan their wardrobes the night before is hiding behind hparent. >> it's preposterous and certainly doesn't measure up with the bombast and nonsense alex jones is known for. and what this does is it should motivate the parents to --
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>> it costs a lot of money to track down -- >> it does. that's why you hire lawyers and it's costly and investigators to try to find this. bankruptcy is an edged sword because on one hand it can protect you but also expose you to scrutiny. if this gets into actual bankruptcy proceedings the parents will have an opportunity through their lawyers to question alex jones. he has to answer these questions under oath. and here's the thing if he lies, if he commits fraud, prosecutors can get involved. the department of justice has prosecutors who specialize in bankruptcy fraud, and that's why long-term this could be dangerous for alex jones. >> elizabeth, i'm wondering almost ten years since sandy hook, i'm wondering what your thoughts are especially as these parents, you know, have been on this nightmare quest for -- for truth while they are grieving. >> yeah. yeah. i mean as i said, you know, with you previously, anderson, this is a significant secondary trauma that they've suffered.
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for four years they have been fighting with alex jones, but for years before that they've been trying to fight back against people who not only -- not only against the worst day of their lives but people who deny that it actually happened. so this has taught them nothing if not patience and fortitude. and i think that's what we're going to see as they go forward and they use and hope that the bankruptcy courts do their jobs in shedding light, using this filing today and the previous filings for jones' company to try and expose, you know, where these assets are, what they actually are and to point out as elie says, you know, where he is gaming the system. >> thank you. still to come the first comments by china from xi jinping about the protests of the country's zero covid policy and plus an example how extreme that policy can be. also tonight cnn's david colver in hawaii from the immense lava
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meeting in china with xi jinping mr. jing gave his first known comments on the recent protests. we can't confirm the translation provide but the official said -- that china could ease its strict policy although it's important to point out there's no official word this could happen or what that looks like. harsh measures are still very much enforced. >> reporter: the videos are extreme and troubling. a man in a port city drag off by police officers. he tries to resist the hazmat clad authorities with all his might as they force him off the couch. the man apparently trying to avoid being sent to one of the quarantine facilities setup around the country for covid cases and close contacts, many of them run-down, dirty and unsanitary. it's not the first time authorities and covid enforcers have been caught on camera taking extreme and sometimes
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violent measures, but this time local authorities apologized and said it suspended those responsible. the incident only one in a series of extraordinary videos still emerging from china. residents destroyed covid testing booths. police in riot gear immediately swarm in. and years of pent-up anger over china's draconian lock downs boiled over into unprecedented protests across the country. some even chanted for xi jinping to step down. authorities are cracking down on protesters, but it appears they've heard their demands and for the first time a clear shift in tone. china's top official in charge of the country's covid response said the country is now facing a new situation regarding the pandemic. in recent days some major cities across china have eased their rules around covid. in beijing public transportation will no longer reject passengers
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without a negative covid test result taken within the last 48 hours. and authorities adjusted quarantine measures and sacramentoed district wide testing plans. the changes have been praised by the world health organization. >> we're pleased to learn the chinese authorities are adjusting their current strategies. >> reporter: but despite the change in rhetoric the chinese government has still not said if it will transition away from zero covid, and many in china still sealed in and people's daily lives still dictated by a webl of covid restrictions. >> cnn's restrictions. >> is there any indication this easing of restrictions is real? could this continue? or could this be a temporary effort to appease protesters? >> yeah, anderson, it appears to be real because the protesters' voices even reached the top.
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this eu official told cnn that xi jinping told the european council that they were frustrated. and she also said omicron is less deadly, which makes the government feel open to relaxing the restrictions. this is a big deal on several levels. for one, authorities have been censoring all protests at home. here you have the supreme leader acknowledging they happened. plus, after years of demonizing covid, this is a clear shift. that being said, anderson, our lives here are still very restricted. i still need a recent covid test to enter most public areas, we're tracked everywhere we go, health codes, and there's the threat of lockdowns and quarantine. the reality is, health experts say, china cannot just walk away from zero covid. china for the last few years has poured all of its resources into enforcing zero covid. >> selina wang, beijing, thank
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well, tonight, the world's biggest active volcano is becoming hawaii's newest tourist attraction. the lava spewing out of the mauna loa volcano is just three miles from the main road. down below, it's slowing enough that authorities can give at least 24 hours notice if that highway is in danger. there's no immediate threat to people. the state health department warns of vog, which is the volcanic version of smog. officials are urging people to
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view this from a distance. >> reporter: hey there, anderson. it's tough to see because we've started to see rainy weather move in. that's going to give a whole other view as the sun goes down and the lava glow doze up. you can see farther out there, that's where this eruption is at its most active point. that's fissure three. it's moving at an active and stable pace, but really slowly. it's brought folks to want to see this. it's become a tourist attraction out here. this is one of the side roadways that has been turned into a one way lane so people can park and take in the sights. they've been doing that, primarily at night. this is the reason why. take a look. >> reporter: the nighttime glow of mauna loa's oozing lava, you have to pull over to admire it. it's basically the middle of the night, and you guys are out
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here, why? >> well, this is a once in a lifetime opportunity to be able to experience this. we decided to come early in the morning so we didn't have to sit in traffic. >> reporter: this family, three generations, came to respectfully honor the hawaiian eruptions. >> it's all beautiful to us. we pay huge reverence to this. it's culturally significant to us as well. so, it's a big deal. >> reporter: a sight of sunrise brought the crowds to old saddle road. officials turning this stretch into a one-way street, allowing passers by to stop and let the views seep this. that keeps drivers from pulling over and stopping on this, what is the main highway connecting the main island to the other. the lava is inching closer to cutting off this highway. it's within three miles now. the other worry, not here on the ground but up in the air. what looked like plumes of smoke, experts say those are
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acid gases. officials monitoring the levels warning it could become toxic for residents and visitors of the big island. mauna loa is the second of the big island's five volcanoes currently erupting. kilaeua still erupting after destroying 600 homes here in 2018. >> this is very significant. we made lease on oahu and brought it over here and gave respect. >> reporter: many see destruction, simultaneous creation surfacing from this. >> we mentioned the lava floes less than three miles away from possibly cutting off this major highway. do officials expect that's going to happen? >> yes, 2.7 miles from where we're standing at the edge there that follows us here past this side road, anderson. and you can see out there where that officer has actually pulled a car over for stopping. they face up to a $1,000 fine,
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by the way, for parking on that highway. that is where they're concerned this lava could end up if it continues at the pace. they do think, though, that it's still a week out from doing that if it happens at all. as we point out, they can give up to potentially two days' notice. so, they feel confident that it's not going to be an imminent danger. however, it's something they're watching. they point out you cannot forecast these lava floes. they will go whichever direction they want and they can turn overnight. >> thank you. coming up, perspective on this year's final battle for this u.s. senate between raphael warnock and herschel walker. why he thinks one of those campaigns is more interesting now even with senate control decided. that's next. together. it worked! happy holidays from lexus. ♪ it immediately feels like somebody's poking directly on the nerve. i recommend sensodyne. sensodyne othpaste goes inside the tooth and calms the nerve down.
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