president biden calling out anti-semitism after the rapper, ye, better known as kanye west, praised hitler. the president tweeting, i want the make a few things clear. the holocaust happened. hitler was a demonic figure. instead of giving it a platform, our political leaders should be calling out and rejecting anti-semitism wherever it hides.

silence is complicity. he's right and frankly far too many people have been silent. i want to bring in commentators, maria cardona, tom forman and counterterrorism official phil mudd. guys, i have to tell you, i'm tired of talking about kanye west. i really am. i'm over the conversation and i wish we could get over it. but the problem is, the significance of the platform that he has. the fact that we've got hate crimes on the rise. the fact that we've got social media platforms being used as if people conflate that freedom of speech and free speech is snoms with hate speech. the idea that we're not talking about things like politics and the idea of breaking with a monarchy and not being suppressed by a government. instead, it's an invitation to use go the n word, to talk about the holocaust is not real. that's just a few of the

slivers. so there is this moment i want to play for you as we get boo this conversation about what jonathan green blatt said. he is talking about why we should care broadly but specifically about someone with a plrm atform like this. >> the truth is, he has a lot of cultural cache. his name is still known around the world. so when something like that is popularizing anti-semiat tim, we all got a problem. >> you know the house judiciary, very important, right? this was something that was on their twitter feed. these three, three name. it just said kanye, elon, trump. that was up as of october 6th, 2022. as in a few months ago. it only recently came down after made the statements, i believe, surrounding the alex jones podcast and discussions.

this is all of our problems. do you see it that way? >> yeah. here's the thing. when times are tough, and time have been tough for a while. historically, people want to blame others. they want to blame minorities. they want to blame extreme positions that they think will protect them in some way. people will do that. that may be what history does. when it turns into a wildfire is when you allow great big public names, and go other public names back them in opening that door and saying, yeah, this is okay. this is fine. this is just free speech. i don't think people in america are against free speech. but the idea of unfettered destructive speech, there have always been limits on what we do. we have not yet figured how much this should or shouldn't be limited, but boy, does this look like something that a lot of people are saying, this can't go on. >> let me bring in phil on this. you and i have had the

conversation about how people feel entitled to say what they want. you have that old common quote. i can disagree but i'll fight like hell for you to have the right to say it. there have always been consequences to certain times of speech. the idea is that you can't, the court recognizes that there are penalties attached. it is not entirely blameless. but the way that people talk about the first amendment and free speech now. they assume that it relates to any and everything without consequences. and there are real life consequences to it proliferating. the number are out there. speak to me about, phil, what impact the rise of it has on the safety of our nation. >> this is going to make you squirm. if you go back 15 years ago, people in this country, it, 99% of them would have said, if you see islamic extremism and people encouraging acts of violence against jews who come from an

islamic extremist perspective, do you think the fbi should investigate? people would have said absolutely. there is a universal perspective that that is appropriate. if you go fast forward to today and you say, if you see anti-jewish rhetoric from people who showed up at mar-a-lago, it there would be a significant percentage of people who would say i'm not sure i'm comfortable with the fbi investigating that. there is a common perspective here though. and that is, when you see extremists, in this case, people who are anti-jewish talking on public forums, there will be a sliver of the american population who will say, not only do i believe that but that authorizes me to commit an act of violence. this is extremely uncomfortable. this will be tough to investigate. partly because a lot of americans will say, i'm okay with this. >> maria, you're nodding and thinking about the reality of

what he's saying. these figures, the numbers we have, the center for encountering digital hate, the use of the n word, up 300%. anti-semitic posts up 61%. gay slurs, up, that's just since elon musk took control. >> yeah. this whole thing is even more per nigs than just people saying, yeah, it's okay. to the what president biden said. it is the silence that is also nefarious and pernicious and allows this to fester and become something that is dangerous. that actually has cost lives, right? and it has cost lives across the board. let's remember the massacre in el paso that happened because of donald trump saying things like, hispanic invasion, right? and so this is something that, it has got to be up to, like

jonathan said. he's a wonderful friend of mine. that we have, we are the ones that have to put a stop to it. in both parties. everywhere that we see it. and it just so happens that it is a little bit more pernicious in the republican party because there are people there who talk about this like it is free speech. like it is allowed, like it is okay. and too many people are silent about it. not scott. always spoken out about it. there are leaders in the republican party who have as well, though i don't think as strongly as they should or as immediately as they should. they're doing it more now. but donald trump still the leader of that party and he had lunch with kanye and he had lunch with a white supremacist. he haass a huge platform still. as long as leaders believe that is okay by either saying it is okay or not saying anything, this is going to continue to be a danger to our society.

>> i want to weigh in as well. some breaking news that we've got from evan perez and his reporting. as much as we talk about social media and tiles that accompany it, it is also where many people are getting their information from and news from and reliant on it even though things are changing. and we know there is been some released email that show employees debated even how to handle the hunter biden story. you were talking about this. i and wonder about your reaction. there is this tension. i think the phrase was hell hole or cesspool that elon musk referred to as social media, and ironically he purchased part of it. but people are going to legitimate news sources. >> who amongst us has never wanted to purchase the seventh level of hell and renovate it? we can make this better. it's interesting. twitter has not changed for me.

i use it, i follow news people. it is a news people for me. it hasn't really changed for me and i know people are freaking out about it. it doesn't look any different. conservatives believe before he bought this, specifically during the 2020 election, the people who worked there were clueding with democrats and people who supported democrats to suppress information that was true and that could have been harmful to joe biden's can bassey. specifically this hunter biden story. i haven't read all the information. i know it is out there on the internet tonight. that has been the belief of conservatives, that there was essentially a massively influential platform that was putting that its thumb on the scale. and so i guess we'll find out internally what was going on. remember, they shut down the new york post's account over this story. which turned out to be absolutely 100% true. and conservatives have really, and i think correctly, been in a lather about it ever since.

so this free speech issue, i think it is absolutely vital to do what up. which is, we all have to stop getting attention to people who are saying these things for attention. or who are having some personal crisis or whatever. but at the same time, these platforms, i think there needs to be some reckoning about, were they tilting the scale in 2020 or any other election? >> let me bring phil back into the conversation. part of this, the development of what has been happening, there have been posts that undercut the claim that even tonight, elon musk was tweeting out about, that said that twitter acted unt orders from the president to suppress the hunter biden stories. there's no evidence that i've seen of any government involvement in the laptop story and lawyers for facebook meta have said similar comments in recent weeks that disputes the

claim from republican that's the fbi somehow coerced the story. the greater notion here, it's all part of a larger discussion. information is allowed through and others aren't. there is a conservative sveum being silenced. information not flattering to democrats that suddenly everyone is trying to suppress but everyone else is a victim. what's your take? >> i disagree with you. no. no. there's a legitimate conversation that should be health in the social media, and in the conversation about hunter biden, about whether what twitter did was appropriate, what the department of justice did was appropriate. there is a much larger and totally separate cover station about whether you allow hate speech on social media supported by a former president that is anti-semitic and could lead to the deaths of american citizens. we should not conflict these two

and i disagree with the direction of the conversation. hunter biden is a different conversation about whether we encourage people to believe that anti-semitism is appropriate and potentially, the murder of americans who believe it is acceptable. different conversations. >> i agree. and i'm not can you please flating these issues. the. >> i agree. the idea that there is only one discussion that is had. we're talking about suppressing information on social media. inevitably it follows back to a road where it ought to be compartmentalized in a more productive way. >> one of the real problems here. they're saying a righteous person does what is righteous whether or not is what is right

whether or not it benefits him or her. people are cal cllating, does i help me if someone says something like that? then they don't say anything because it helps me. later when it all blows up, they can say, i never supported that. but that's the very thing you're talking about. people being quiet about this. they're not being quiet because they don't know about it. they're not being quiet because they don't know the impact. they're being quiet because for the time being, they think it helps them, which is the same as encouraging it. >> and you know, you talk about how conservatives were thinking that twitter was a line with democrats. during the election, democrats are convinced, i don't think if the people who randal facebook were aligned with conservatives, but that everything that was

happening on facebook, right? the fake news out there. that all of that hurt democrats in terms of the stories that were being pushed. the false stories that were being pushed. the russian stories that were -- the russians were doing it, right? so does that mean i think that the officials at facebook were colluding with conservatives? no. i don't think so. but it goes back to, how are these platforms run? and the bottom lane is we're not quite sure yet. what's going on with elon musk at twitter. you say your feed hasn't changed. tons of people's feeds have changed. they see a lot more hate, mysogyny, it is happening to me. it happens in both spheres. democrats and republicans. but he's right. it shouldn't be, what is benefiting me.

it should be what is right and what is wrong and what do i need to speak out on. >> the separation of legitimate political debate from the countenancing of absolute vile hate speech and giving attention to people like kanye west and hafr he brought with him to the dinner with trump. i believe they are separate conversations. this issue, and i don't think candidly, that many people in the republican party are being silent about this. trump is the core issue on this one. everybody from mcconnell to the rank and file in washington were pretty uncomfortable with it and did speak out. and i think understood just how big of a problem it was to, for trump to have done that lunch or dinner, and for him to have tried to promote kanye west as

some paragon of virtue. >> in fairness, that's where we are now. things like this have been bubbling along for months and months and months. for people now to say that's too far, i think a lot of people in the democratic and republican party would privately say, it went too far a long time ago. >> we are out of time. they're yelling in my ear, telling me to stop. you'll yell in my ear for different reasons. i'll give you the last word. i'll defer to you. i know you'll give me hell if i don't. make it quick. they're screaming at me. >> are you comfortable going into an election campaign with the department of justice and the fbi investigating people that are right wing extremists that are comfortable with anti-semitism investigating people who are supporting presidential campaigns? yes or no? >> a rhetorical? okay. i see you, i hear you.

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the round of 16 is officially set in the world cup. tomorrow the u.s. will face off against the netherlands in a do or die match. this world cup has seen its share of controversy, both on and off the feel. with thousands of miles not enough for some players to escape domestic politics. back with me, maria cardona, kristine brennan, and tom forman are back with me. i don't know if you saw this image earlier of the qatari tv mocking a moment where they were waving goodbye with their hands over their mouths after germany's loss. tell us the significance of this

moment and why that mocking gesture is so defiant. >> shame on those announcers for doing that. the german team, before its first match, decided to get a team picture taken. all of them putting their hands over their mouths. they were mocking the censorship, protesting the censorship of feef a saying they could not wear the lgbt armbands. so good for the germans for doing that. they lost to japan and they are not going on to the round of 16. so it's easy to mock them. but i think history will judge them very well. those german athletes doing that little symbol i think will be remembered far longer than whatever happened on the field. >> the idea of on and off the field. there was so much symbolism during these world cups already. and we had yet to get past saturday's round.

you had what happened after iran lost. a 27-year-old man was shot and killed by security forces while celebrating the iranian world cup loss on tuesday. you may remember, there was a woman who was a rock climber who did not, she said, she accidentally did not put on her hijab before competing. we're learning her home has been demolished, although there is an unconfirmed report as to who has done it and why. the air of reaction and the punishment is in the air. >> well, the the sense that sports can be, it is a unifying force for the world and the escape from the troubles we face all the time. that has really changed in recent years. i think it has changed in part because you've had people who have wanted to use sports to promote their agenda. and they've pushed the idea, if our team wins, it mean our nation is greater than your nation.

if our team wins, it mean your free speech is i don't know. i don't blame the athletes saying, hey, we have something to say, too. we're not merely pawns. until some places like iran, the consequences can be very dire. although we've seen in this country, some athletes stand up for what they believe and they've paid some prices, too. >> thinking about the idea of trying to take something that is associated with the enthusiasm of sports. i think about the brazilian yellow jersey. it was being used by bolsonaro to uses with his campaign, his incumbency. now some fans have taken to wearing the blue, the less iconic version. you think about the brazilian soccer team. you think about the yellow. this notion of politicians trying to almost hijack symbols for their own self serve purposes. it is not necessarily unique to just this game. >> no. and it has happened before.

and i think it is a shame. tom, you're right. i think a lot of us, the world sees sports as a place to kind of say, oh, okay, let's have some fun. it's not new that a lot of times, the passion gets in the way and becomes the thing that then goes to whether it is violence or streamism or things that are said and shouted that perhaps in the moment, they didn't mean it but then it becomes something else. i think what is interesting about everything happening at the world cup, especially all of these governments that are extremist governments that are trying to shut people off and shut women up, right? they're doing their own agendas harm. because they're calling attention to their own stream agendas and their own dictatorships and autocracies. and you are seeing not just in iran but in china, but that is

starting to back fire. will this change tomorrow or next week? no. but as the places in those countries, the populations get younger and younger, they're becoming more defiant. hopefully that had lead to change. >> the united states, we at times live in a glass house and we throw stones. there are various degrees of the human rights issues we all grapple with collectively. bur our athletes, on the world stage or at home, you knower they're asked questions about things not anything to do with the field or play. and we've been talking about, hole. on you've asked a lot of questions about kyrie irving. why not a jerry jones in a photo from many years ago where he was seen, i believe, a 14-year-old, jerry jones attending a rally in favor of the maintenance of segregation. and jerry jones has responded.

and i want to you listen to what he had to say. what he's talking about is respect for lebron. >> i i don't know of anybody i respect anymore. i don't know of anybody who has taken every opportunity he's had and maximized it. he not only is an absolute great ambassador for sports. he has taken sports, he's taken his venues, and used those platforms. i want to be sure that you know where i'm coming from. i did hear what he had to say. >> so he addressed it. he didn't address the substance of the controversy. >> to your point, you've got the spot late again and people are talking about it. lebron is right. those questions should be asked. whether it is anti-semitism or racism, journalists should be asking those questions. and jerry jones deserves those questions. he understands and he can handle

himself and answer as well. that was a lesson in crisis communications 101. what he just did. >> not answering the question directly? >> no. he talked about how wonderful lebron is and he was able to pivot to that. and he did say at the end, i hear what he said. >> i think one thing about this, i find important in sports. maybe i've old-fashioned or naive about this. i'm a big hockey fan. one of the things i'm amazed at in hockey, you can have the most brutal series you can imagine and the players line up and shake hands at the end. i think some of the most important moments in sports are simply the respect the players show to each other regardless of creed, where they came from. and that, it doesn't seem big. but in the world we live in today, that's a protest. that you can walk over to your opponent and you say you're worthy, you're worth while,

you're not diminished as a person because we fought today. >> and i wonder what lebron's action will be given part of his larger issue was the level of atonement required among black athletes compared to the pat on the back or the job well done often reserved for others. obviously very different circumstances. kyrie irving, jerry jones. you can name any number of analogies. i'm curious what his reaction is. well, the coronavirus pandemic has had a huge impact. there's now a new study revealing just how drastic that impact has been on teenagers. it involves the brain aging faster than it ought to. aily, it supports your health, starting w with your digestive system. metamucil's plant-based fiber forms a gel to trap and remove the waste that w weighs you down, helps lower cholesesterol and promotes healthy blood sugar levels. while its collagen peptides help support your joint structures.

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a new study says stress brought on by the covid pandemic may have caused teenagers' brains to age faster than normal. researchers say there were physical changes in the teens' brains. increased anxiety and depression could really be to blame. i want to discuss with the clinical psychologist who joins us now. i'm so excited you're here to bring us your expertise. it's very scary to think about, in many respects, what we thought might happen. what impact this might have on young people. we thought emotionally but really, it is on their minds. >> in so many ways, and before the pandemic, the cdc was reporting that at least 37% of teens were having mental health

issues. that number skyrocketed during the pandemic. we're seeing teens being isolated, withdrawing from their social communities, feeling depression, anxiety, sadness, issues with concentrating. they weren't doing their home work, completing assignments. it was a tough time for them. >> and these aren't things one wants to be dismissive of saying teenagers will be teenagers. this is significant. the acceleration of the aging. we think about maturity and maturation and we think about it in an emotional sense which is good. but maturation with accelerated pace with the brain can have long term consequences. >> right. we don't know yet what it will look like when they're young adults and when they're older. we do know when your brain matures quicker, you start experiencing issues with brain fog which, what that looks like is issues planning out your day, which teenagers already have an issue with.

their brains are still maturing. your brain doesn't fully mature until you're at least 25. so they're having issues with that. so they're having trouble verbalizing what they're going through with their parents, their teachers, they're online all day. it is also exacerbating how they're feeling. they're looking at social media. we know that bullying has increased, people harassing each other online. so they were going through so many things. we have yet to see what those effects will be. >> you're talking about teenagers across the age spectrum. the impact has been there from the older population to maybe even younger kids. i have an 8-year-old and a 10-year-old. they were in distance learning. my daughter left kindergarten and came back a second grader. that's significant. >> and we're talking about kids looking at computers and i-pads all day and seeing that they're not keeping that attention span that they used to have when they're in school 24/7. so now we're just trying to

figure out how do we get our kids back to, i guess, what was normal before, and go helping them be socialized the right way. helping them have the skills to verbalize how they feel, what's going on with them now. with the pandemic they were shut in and not knowing how to do that. >> it is so important to think about, it is why the research is so important. for parents to even be aware that this might be happening and think about the learning curve we've all had to climb. so important to hear from you. thank you for coming on. >> thanks for having me. you know what? the issues of the pandemic that were created, that impacted people's brain developments. and then there's the issues happening from all the things taken to try to address distance and social distancing. new york city, a pram example.

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do you have a virulent vehemence for vermin? that's quite a tongue twister. new york city may have a job for you. they're on the hunt for, get this, a rat czar. the ideal candidate, someone who considers themselves highly motivated and somewhat blood thirsty. you can earn a pretty penny with the salary ranging from $140,000 to $170,000. back with me now, my guests, none of whom are mousey. >> i see what you did there. >> i smell a rat. >> i'm glad you did. i have to tell you, when you think about new york city and see some of the rat issues that are there, it's a real thing. i mean, the idea that they have this job posting is obviously

out of necessity. you're going to see these images of people and remember the infamous pizza rat, remember? carrying up a full slice. what do you make of this? >> here's what i make of this. there's an estimate that there are 2 million rats in new york. i don't know how much we can rely on the rat census. i would say 2 million rats in new york. and you want to go after these rats and this is your job. i think there are things in the application for becoming the rat person. >> have you filled one out? >> i'm working on it. i think there are thing missing here. it doesn't really say, do you have much of a team? or is this a sack and a pair of gloves? what are you supposed to do? and 2 million rats. how many do they think they'll knock out? >> you must be rat fans. no? not at all? i have a full confession. when i was in sixth grade, i actually had a pet rat. it was and whoed rat that i got

from a gerbil store. my mother has not forgiven me. it tripled in size and i was horrified. but i'm not applying for this job. >> i'm not horrified. r ratatooiy. my kids grew up with it. i used to live in adams morgan. i would go back to where we parked the car in an ally way and we would pass rats and they would be eating pizza and look at us and be like, hey, what's going on? can i help you with something? we were on our way and like nothing. so yes, i understand the rat problem in new york because we had one in washington, d.c. >> and i think that's the point. every city, a big city has rats. and so the idea that you're going to somehow be able to eradicate rats from the biggest city in the country -- >> erat-icate?

>> the right way. with the rad. >> every city. so good luck, if you're going to take the job. >> i might do okay. >> we could come back a year from now, and i have a feeling, or two years or whatever the time period is, and there will be the same two million rats. >> the proliferation, you're saying in part, it is because you had outdoor dining. you had trying to compensate for the distance dining. i've been told more food on the streets. the construction. we remember american tale and they were there even in disney fashion. i was told there were no cats in america. >> a great bit of odd trivia. cats actually don't do a lot of rat and mice hunting. people think they do but they don't really. so the lack of cats is not a problem. if i become the rat czar, i will

not be bringing in a lot of cats. >> how will you do it, tom in. >> well, i'm not really sure. there is something involving a flute and a river. i've heard about it in the past but i don't know how the play the flute. >> perfect for the job. you're not giving any answers at all. >> the thing is, they have a big city meeting and the mayor is like here's my chief of police and here's the fire chief. and then they're like, the rat guy. you get no love. you're doing all the dirty work and nobody cares. >> well, fival might. we'll be right back.

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