good evening everyone, i'm laura coats. this is cnn tonight. free speech, which is liberty, and the right for same-sex

couples to not be discriminated against. well they'll tied up in a case for the supreme court this very day. the big question of what is asking and clean the justice raskin today is, that is a graphic designer have the right to fused great websites that celebrate same-sex weddings based on your own religious beliefs? just a moment i'll talk to the plaintiff in that very case. plus we are, as you noticed, just a few hours away from another election day. between election season. in the final election day of the midterms is upon us, tomorrow. and it is really down to the wire now. and less than just nine hours, voters will be going to the polls, in georgia senate runoff, between democratic raphael warnock and republican challenger herschel walker. let's get right to the supreme court case will be joined by the plaintiff, website designer laura smith, and her lawyer kristen wagner. ladies welcome to the program. i'm glad you're both here. i've been really curious about this case. as so many people have.

frankly, there's been a little divide. in the sense of who can tell who have what they can do about it. it's kind of the old question of the time. i want to start with you, lori. and really understand your position a little bit more. this is not a case that was filed against. or this is not somebody who is suing. this is almost a reactive opportunity you're taking, i understand, to figure out. can i expanded to the wedding website business? and not run a foul of colorado's law that says, you cannot discriminate against same-sex couples. tell me about why you wanted to bring this case now even before you entered the web website business. >> i am a custom graphic and website design or. i create unique one-of-a-kind websites and speech. and yes, i want to design for weddings. and i want to design in a way that is consistent with my faith. but colorado is censoring a compelling my speech.

and forcing me to use eight custom artworks. that goes against core of what i am in who i believe. everyone has the right to not only speak, but to create consistently with what they believe. and gore of my cases, it is just that. everybody should be free to create artwork. unique artwork. that goes along with what they believe. whether they're views or similar to my, or perhaps to the topic of marriage. nobody should be forced to create a message against who they are. >> was i'm standing on america's, to create, art, and. speech those four really combined to be the heart of this entire issue. on the issue of custom, just so we are clear. these aren't templates that you are putting out. somebody has to, essentially, contract with you, specifically. and they provision of how they want to have to go. and then you create that per couple, or per customer. is that right? >> absolutely correct.

everything a great is unique, one-of-a-kind, no two graphics or websites are the same. their unique nature. and everything that i create his expression of some sort. i have clients from all different walks of life, i've cried so identifies lgbt. but i cannot create every message that is requested of me. there are some messages i can't greats matter who requests them. and the state of colorado is saying, you must set aside your beliefs to communicate a message that goes against what you believe. that should be frightening to all of us, nobody should be forced to communicate a message that goes against the court for their. >> who has forced her to do that? >> the state of colorado has said that if you create custom artwork, that is consistent with their fate, the eu must set aside your faith to create websites that promote a message about marriage that goes against my beliefs. nobody should be put in that position. and so, my case not only about me, and my. artwork but also protecting

lgbt artists or graphic designer who should not be forced to create customer work that opposes same-sex marriage. >> no one has a tattoo degraded website for a same-sex couple. you're talking about this as a speculative notion. that it might have been one day, -- >> so someone has that? do >> i have that request. >> i am unable to enter the whaling industry because the colorado law would come after me hit treat me in a way that is consistent with the way it is treated at the people of faith. so i took a stand to not only protect my right, but the rights of everyone. everyone should be free to create artwork, consistent with what they believe. and so i should have to sit around, and wait to be punished to really challenge this unjust law at colorado. >> just thinking about this. i would bring you in here, kristen. because as you can imagine, there -- and i'm sure you heard today. so many people, we're talking about different analogies. the slippery slope, as they say. the idea if they let you do

this, we have to let everybody else do something. that's going to, in some, why harm people discriminatory. what do you make of the idea that, if colorado, the supreme court really were to say, now. you are an artist. we can appreciate that. but if you avail yourself to the public, generally. you can't then turn down certain people. because if you do, others will follow. in terms of religion, in terms of race, in terms of disability. what do you make of that connection to your client? that this could cause a slippery slope? no matter how the court rules, and lori's case it's still illegal to turn someone away because of what they are. the critical distinction that the justice has made today, given the case, is that it is based on with the messages. not -- it's based on the message, not with a person's. lori has lgbt clients, she is always looking at the message. every graphic to sign artist every artist and speaker was

make distinctions based on message. even the united states in the court agreed with the premise. the government had composed to say some that you don't believe. >> the question, really, is how is it your message if it is their wedding? >> everything today craters unique, and one-of-a-kind. and there's an important process of determining what the message, or messages are. then being asked to create. and i'm carefully considering what those are. it is all about the message, or messages. and never about the individual. but then i'm using a custom, not a template, or plug in play. i'm creating from scratch, very much like traditional watercolor artist uses a white canvas. i'm starting from scratch and creighton custom artwork, lettering, words. i'm telling the story the way they think it's artistic, and creative. creating imagery, photos, and everything from start and that is custom and unique. everything that i create is expressive. and colorado agrees that what i

created speech. >> i wanna hear you talk, but it is a moment. when ukraine barrett seems top but the -- the idea that being related to custom. if there was a template will be in soon at some point. i would pick a point. i am curious that you mention lgbt plus people will be protected as well in terms of your vision is. that they would not have to create things that they were opposed to as well. do you think that all members of the lgbt committee believe that their message is promoting what they would send for as well? are you taking the step back about free speech broadly, so he could focus on message. so even the messages? that is long as you have lgbt clients. as long as you have an artist. that you are allowed to not follow that particular law. >> i serve everyone.

i cannot create every message. but the laws saying is that we have the speak a message to approve the government. that should be concerned all of us. to create unique expressive artwork that is consistent with what they believe. and that protects me, protect the website design or. nobody should be forced greater message, custom, artwork expression, it goes against a belief. but visibly just similar to mine, were different? >> victoria have people who are married and have sex relationships. and i want to jump in, and i join this conversation of course. what do you say to the rhetoric that says this is discrimination, it's a product, we just one south mcclung same-sex member of a couple? >> a product is in the same speech. certainly, public accommodation closing expensive transactions every day. but even talk about asking somebody used a heart, the head, and their, head to create a

message. traditional lending art, with technology. that speech, that is not just a product. and it just as the lgbt designer doesn't want to have to celebrate same-sex marriage, or pro abortion photographer doesn't want to have to film or photograph a pro-life rally. we all should have the freedom to decide what ideas are worthy of expression. it is the what, not the who. that is a critical distinction. we should all make message bases sanctions. the first amendment has perfected that 400 years. and should continue to do so for all of us. that is how we have a free unstable government. it is how we have free and fair this reasoning. the government can't tell us what to say, and to do. >> that seems to be just as gorgeous as position. the idea who, not the what. but i do wonder, at what point can someone say i am an artist, did not really be one? my question is, what is art? obviously, the disparaging art form. i had a wedding website.

i understand it, it is a whole thing. i know you are an artist. but what is to distinguish to from somebody saying, well, look, my mac and cheese in this restaurant is a work of art? this pie is a work of art. the way i make my clothing in this boutique, works of art. so you know what, i don't want somebody in here who's gay, who's black, who's jewish, who's disabled, what is the line that distinguishes you from the artist that somebody could, under the auspices of saying they an artist do the same thing? do you have those concerns? >> i can only speak to myself, and i may declare, i work with everyone. i find identifies lgbt. and what i'm seeking is that the court step in to protect everyone's right to speak freely. >> the court has already determined these tests. every free speech case determines whether the speech or conduct. the law, is establish a term in that. it's a message being communicated. is getting media but we're used to seeing? words, text, graphics.

that speech, for talking about some macron inches this. that is not speech. that is an easy call for the court to make. and even making those calls for many many years, under the first amendment. >> we haven't had a mac and cheese, first of all? so you don't know what it says to you. in reality, and a lot of time. but i really want to hone in on this point. you made this point a couple of times. but the idea of having lgbtq clients. have they expressed a reaction to what you are doing? are they supportive, or not? >> i've been in business for over a decade. and i have had clients identifies lgbt, for quite some time. i think it's important to note that there are people across the spectrum, who hold the same view as marriage. will hold a different view on marriage. who are standing up to support this case. because they recognize that everyone should be free to communicates, and quite consistent with what they believe. >> so you've created websites for algae -- i'm curious about that notion. where ukraine work that was

somehow intersectional with their identity, or sexual orientation? . >> >> ed cline so identifies lgbt, were small business owners, who are realtors, and again, when i receive a request i'm almost looking at what messages are asking me to create from a custom artwork. is it something i'm passionate about? who have expertise sexual create what they are hoping all create? and is consistent with my faith? >> you've stopped short of the wedding. that is essentially the point. >> i have been able to step into putting issued because the state of colorado has made it clear they will come after me. some asking the court to step in, and make this right. that's a question to you, that is, where do things stand right now and obviously this is the case we might say, hold on, are we've in iraq? now this is not quite yet an issue. she hasn't entered the business yet. what is this about? and i believe you're the attorney for the colorado baker's well in the past. and some look at this and say are you trying to use a client -- not at the, way the solid meat.

are you looking to relitigate that case of this new medium? >> absolute, not in, fact lori's case was going to the supreme court. and van dam seen the punch that's been oppose on him. these in the year of litigation right now. colorado's most aggressive state in this nation to enforce the law, and impose fines, and reeducation against like-minded speakers like. lori you have the right to go to court, rather than violate a, law and allowed the state prosecutor. that's what our justice system provides. >> we will see what happens, the supreme court is known to be very quick, we'll have an answer tomorrow. no, not at all. thank you for being part of this conversation. it's more to hear what you are thinking, in the. why i appreciate it. >> so what will the impact of this case be? and how do you swear americans rights freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom from discrimination? we'll talk about the next. i've been stripping here for years. i stririp before take-off.

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since this one or can same-sex couples in terms of a marriage website. and just as your more concerned you can be pretty sympathetic to the plans arguments. -- doug mccarrick sheffield, chris guider, editor and author of laud orc. i'm not calling one, the saying that switch [laughter] >> all right look, it's been corroborated, someone to say. we just heard from the plaintive. i have been dying to speak with, and understand her position a little bit more. one of the things she said that was really interesting was the idea that she was a champion in her case for lgbtq members. of community groups who thought they might, one day, before us quite upsets that were contrary to their own beliefs. and this idea of the free speech element being the ties that bind. what are your reactions to what you heard just now? >> i think the case that we heard at the supreme court was

a case to have an exception from discrimination law. we don't do that. except for under very narrow circumstances. this was a case that could, potentially, just blow that open. >> i just want to put a fine plan on. this people are probably wondering, i am sorry, she's not the winning business yet. she does not have a wedding website business. yet the word yet is problematic. how is that the supreme court entertains more broadly the idea that, look, because somebody is perspectively? going to be affected by a particular law they have that level of standing, that lawyers are always like, you have spandex, you should be here. why do able to get before the court on this? >> the honest answer should be in the court right now. i think maybe in a few years she has a valid case. but the course isn't supposed to erupt that case. that's not what federal courts do. and the weird thing is no one actually seems to disagree with her.

like colorado filed a brief that said we don't want to make you design a website that you don't want to make. you have a first amendment right not to design a website that you don't want to make. no in this colorado law that says if she makes a cypress trail, then a couple comes on and wants the exact same website, like literally the identical product, then their antidiscrimination law would kick it. i don't think that is likely to happen. >> she says she's a custom of designers that whenever they happen. >> so cases don't get supreme court without standing. so we have standing because the long arm of the government, in this case, the state of colorado. has come in to say you have designer, you'd be surprised. your free speech will be suppressed. this is what it's about. it's a first amendment issue. funded but lgbt issues. it's but any sort of issue. for example, if you have a baker who was a muslim baker, should they be compelled, by the long arm of government, to put a muhammad cartoon?

no. do you think that's true? >> that is the issue that one of -- what was also about the idea of should've jewish baker, for, example be forced to have, and some sort of embroidery of a cake something that would be a neo-nazi symbol of kind. i have the analogy, but here is, i think the -- that is. they really weren't talking, in this, court about religious aspect of it. they're talking at the free speech, which you are talking about. but i'm wondering about that slippery slope. and just one of the many analogies we've all been hearing today, and before. about where is the line? where does it stop? and what what can someone say, oh, i'm not. big-time an artist, so i can do what i. what >> this is the problem with this case. and this is why we haven't seen cases like this before. we haven't had nondiscrimination oz for a long time. the problem with the argument that you have in the case, and

what we saw today. from justice, jackson from justice sotomayor, from justice kagan. is this idea -- i just showed images came out said at one point. where is the line? and the fact is, there isn't a clear line. and with kristen wagner, who had iran, in response to questions that she got at the court. she made it clear that that line isn't clear. and the truth is that if you have this case. decided the way that it looks like it's going to be decided. what is going to follow? it is going to be people who have any number of argument that what they are doing should be protected as a first amendment, and expressive activity. and they don't believe that they should need to send, x, message. >> i think that is what the constitution is for. the first amendment says that

the government shall make no abridgement of freedom of speech. >> no one disagrees with. you >> i would hear from all of you, gary, finisher. point >> i'm hearing, or what i'm hearing, is that your faith of people getting free speech. i just don't think that is something that the founders wanted us to be afraid, up more than anybody should be afraid of. >> that is not what items. i do hear point that i heard these arguments being made. ian, the idea of how this happens. i mean, let's play devils advocate for example on this notion. and on the notion of, well, hold on. this is a business. owner right? she wants to have discretion over what is the shift before. how is she similar, or different, to say a restaurant. which is what he would say? >> it's an artistic i don't want to do your portrait. i want to have discretion. i want to say who, i would say when, i will say who not. >> let's play this out. if she were to design a website, which has not designed any websites. if she were to design one.

and then the colorado government were to come after her. which it has not done. and say, hey. you are discriminating. and she said, well wait a second, i have a first amendment right to not make any website that i don't want to make. she would be right. if all of those events played out. then she would win her case. none of those events have happened. but if they happen she would win her case. and what makes this different from a restaurant, is that website actually a speech. website is a place where you put words on the screen, i read from a site that is free speech. it's protected by first amendment. baking a cake is not speech. making macron a cheese is not speech. all of these other things, making jewelry. being a hairdresser. all these other services that go into a wedding. not. speech websites, speech. >> but it is expression right? it's a form of art. how does that factor? and >> exactly. she's not making widgets. she is targeting lgbt. and they do have other issues that are not specific to this

issue. so again the government cannot compel speech. the supreme court has never ruled on the side of suppressing artist. the supreme court has never ruled on the side of suppressing free speech. so that is why they are going to win. >> we don't disagree on that points. >> that even? when >> i think the problem, here, is and why we're having some of these difficult conversations is there is no website. we don't know what to talk about. we are talking about these big things because she hasn't made a website? >> why would they take this case? >> because i want this law. they want this court to write this opinion. that will, potentially, have these follow-up cases. they even said, in court today. as christine said. i might be coming back with a specialty baker. and then what you are going to find out, and we talk about all these lower court judges. who go further. you're gonna have somebody who

says, i make very special macaroni and cheese. >> i use one example mac and cheese -- >> and now you want my mac and cheese. i get it. >> i do want your mac and cheese. >> we are going to be in courts. and they're gonna have an opinion from rita won't connor, down to texas. and he's going to say, this is expressive speech. this is exactly what they're trying to protect in that case. and so, i'm going to say that you can't be forced to do that. >> i think marriages don macaroni jeez and i think that is a pretty easy distinction to make. >> omicron inches's website? >> it's a website about marriage -- when air force on top but >> words on a website's speech? if she wants to make a website. and if the colorado government,

in the future. tells us that she has to make website that she doesn't want. then she has a final case. websites are unlike mac and cheese, certainly cake, they're on like all of these other things. so i don't think there has to be a law. >> i share crisis fear that what this supreme court, and it's republican majority. they're not gonna draw the line in a sensible place. but there's a very sensible place to draw that line. websites are speech, i cronies is and. >> i'll tell you, we can't look at it in a vacuum. doesn't opposition were just learn thompson did intimate that he wants to revisit certain portions of things that are similar to this. more broadly, like same-sex marriage. a size of this can be looked at purely in a vacuum. but we will see, i'm good have to put on instagram my mac and cheese recipe. because i don't know. off of the computer is open a restaurant right now. but everyone is welcome to mine. >> look everyone, next it's warnock versus walker in the final election a midterm season and it is just hours away. plus the largest active volcano,

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we are just a few hours away now from election day. from the pivotal georgia senate runoff. here we are again not just in this election cycle, but again with the runoff in the state of georgia. the mcatee senator, raphael warnock, has republican challenger, herschel walker. -- completely obliterated. eric neeson and i'll just, eric

william, kerik cycled back, as in a political commentator karen finney has join this as well. karen, let us start with the. because it is a final push. but i wonder, are we pushing people who are tired? who do not want to keep voting all the time? or people who are, like book, i am already at the polls. just one last time i was gonna be the senator. exhaustion may be the bigger hurdle now? >> i think the bigger hurdle is not the exhaustion it is more just making sure that you have logistically you're able to get back out to vote. given we just had an election. remember that it was fudging the governor passed that short in the timeline between the general election, and when you might have a runoff election. but i want to make a point. in georgians understand. 2021 we had to do this. they know they gotta come back out. and they take their vote very seriously. they take the responsibility very seriously and so far the

momentum has been really positive for reverend warnock. we are seeing turnout, as you mentioned, not only is there or lieutenant good. it is in the right places. the number of counties, the counties attentive trended democratic to see what the percentages are looking like and so far i am with them. don't take anything for granted but he's looking like he is in good shape. >> sometimes you can tell a lot from what the ad say and just how the tone of them might be. i'm wondering, carrie, we look at the different ads. for what we're wondering with senator warnock why isn't he being a little bit more aggressive with herschel walker? and vice versa by the way. there are conversations at some point about whether they were playing the same game or too nice or too harsh. there is a marked ship and how the ads are now running. but in terms of brian kemp he is talking about this as a turnouts and who was more motivated. you've got the former president donald trump not appearing in

person, but neither has president biden appeared in person. what do you make of that? i think it is clear that brian kemp won by a healthy margin and he is a very popular governor and in the bigger problem for conservative candidates is looking at the ground game because it has shifted since covid and we are now in the election month instead of election day. and conservatives are behind the times when it comes to that. they think, we can make up the gap. and we can make up the capital shopping mask. it does not materialize. i think that is what some people discuss but. that i think that's what we're going to be looking for. also looking at the democratic shift among african americans innovators. there's been a mark shift in the conservative movement ethic that is really exciting. i think we see the fed stacey abrams. her, false claims, of racial mess within the state of georgia apparatus. this is just not true. i think we're just going to continue to watch this trend going to push for policies that attract young african american latina voters. >> on a day of animus, of

course, our prior conversations. this was something that georgia was a focus for a long time. following 2020, the election about covid-19 and how to shift. but mostly about the fake election. and the shifting of trying to codify that question was no point for. as far the reason why brian kemp, and brad raffensperger's are persona non grata to donald trump. for the various. and then wonder how you see things right now. in terms of what you're looking ahead to tomorrow's election. are you looking to see if they'll be legal issues happening? what is your focus? >> honestly, my focus is why people in both parties are not screaming from the mountain tops as to how important this race is. for both parties. here is why. having worked in the senate's, writes. i think people might have gotten complacent on both sides of all the democrats of already won, big deal. but a 50/50 senate, which is

what it would be if herschel walker wins. all the hands are tied critical smart, he can come up the senate. and make life miserable. i'm not, to his senators are old. and it -- >> all of them. every that's one of them. >> to be clear. it is the oldest senate in american history right now. a third of them are over 70. about five or six them over 80. they're just not all, necessarily, around all the time. and are prone to getting sick. and so on. you have one center, out and that is two weeks of federal judges you're not getting. it is critically important for both parties, and they all be putting all the resources in to make sure they win this. >> i guess we're gonna come back to talk more about these issues, don't worry about the guys. and we want to discuss just how old elliott williams thinks everybody is, at this table. i'm getting, if you must come back and seen it with. they donate my. it's 42, and thank you very much. for me to come back in a moment talk more about these issues, so make sure to tune into cnn for special coverage of the

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look at the turnout for people in boar county north carolina. temperatures is hovering the mid 14th, and tens of thousands are without power. the result of a law enforcement officials are calling intentional, and targeted attacks on substations over this weekend. as the power is not going to be fully restored until thursday, north carolina's governor says it's attempted to make sure that people are cared for. and that critical services are available. >> helping the vulnerable

people in the places where they live including adult care homes is a priority. making sure that people are warm as the night approaches and making sure that people are cared for and making sure that critical services had hospitals withdrawn, forced, myth and emergency management services, are supported, and available. all of that is crucial. >> the fbi is now joined the investigation. the criminal investigation to determine, just who is responsible. joining me now, john miller. cnn's chief correspondent and sondland is. john, i'm so glad you're here today. but when you what your opinion of this is. because the idea of the polar ability of our infrastructure, for instance is like this. i think it's stunning to a lot of people. think about how accessible and just, the pure breath of these access points.

what is your take in terms of how we can guard against this from happening? >> it is interesting, you know. we spent so much time focused on the power grid. and how it is vulnerable to potential cyberattacks. and here it is, a low tech, high impact attack. which is just a shooter with a weapon. shooting two parts of two different substations. and plunging a county into blackouts. interestingly. it is remarkably similar to what the 2013 case in california, just outside silicon valley. or somebody shot out 15 transformers, across and costs $17 million worth of damage. and that is a case that is still unsolved. what we do know is we've seen a lot of traffic over neo-nazi channels, white ring violent extremist channels. equal tariffs channels calling out the vulnerability of the power grid. and calling for these attacks. >> it might be odd to think

about correlation. which is the idea of why would those particular groups, or have discussions around. it just a few minutes ago there's-able tonight i think dhs talking about a correlation to electrical infrastructure related vulnerabilities. and then, of, course things like race riots. or things that get exploited when the power is down. and there is not a recourse to be able to prevent and deter, and stop. i'm wondering if there is a way that the fbi, for dhs, needs to do more to coordinate the chatter with the prevention. >> so after the 2013 case. the government did a study. and then mandated the power companies. remember, 85% of critical infrastructure in america is held by private companies. not the government. they were mandated to get identified. and if you got the most critical nodes in the chain of the power business.

and that make sure that they met certain standards, and security. but i listen to this quote, from a 14 page document. put out by right wing extremist group. just in 2020. that said, attack the power. it those stations are sitting ducks. where the prey. largely unprotected. often remote areas. which is something that this latest case is a pretty stark example. if >> >> it is unbelievable to think about the vulnerability, and you think about the pictures and images of pallets located. i think a lot of people having a bit of an eye-popping opinion right now, about where things are. and if that bolton knows about it. if some people know about. it a bit curious to know who actually is responsible. and how to stop in the future. nice talking to, you as always, john. we're. insight >> thank you laura. >> for the first time in 38 years. the world largest active volcano is erupting on hawaii,

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you probably won't see him warm at spurring thing sets tonight than what we're getting from hawaii's volcano zone. and to make it even better. seeing the david colbert went up in the helicopter over the world's largest active volcano and here is his report. >> we are on the road before sunrise. quickly realizing we can already spot our destination some 30 miles out. there you see, at that red orange glow, mauna loa opting. to give you a better view though we hope in the morning dark. paradise helicopters, there in hamilton, our pilot and guide

giving us rare access. but [inaudible] having thought it military hudson's. they aren't even admits this is firepower that no other. >> what was it like the first time? >> there was a blast. >> it also be challenging, especially heavy fog or volcanic smog. >> you can see the gases. >> those acidic gases show that the concentration levels are too high. on the, ground officials closely watching the lava's potential impact on saddle port. the main highway that connects the east west of the island. erupting last sunday for the first time in 38 years. mauna loa, the world's largest ike double keno, is one of five the makeup wipes big island. and it's not the only ones currently erupting. neighboring kilauea also active, though no longer shooting lava to the surface like it did in

2018. >> one cup police street which is where my house is that. it is that a way. on the opposite side of the subdivision. >> dorothy drawn by just her home now sits. buried under 60 feet a lava. you can see a metal streetlight fused into the rock. four years after kilauea did this to her leilani estates committee she still walks as if she's on her old street. with their old neighbors. >> we have some delay which is all dispersed after that. >> the law says the community and is lost in addition to homes. melissa irruption an emotional trigger for 13 others and forcing the trauma from kilauea back to the surface. the 2018 level flow without over 6000 homes here. someone touched but left lava locks. and island within the island. dorothy showed us his video she kept shift few weeks back tracking over lavrov and helping her friends gather the last of their belongings from their homes. we reminders of devastation

here are hard to miss. >> this was a home that they vivek with the second night and i believe it went under the third minute. it just took their home. and four years later it's still standing. how long will stand like that? >> probably 30 to 40 years. >> how is that you can still see beauty after so much loss? >> because that was beautiful. it's made just creation. that's why the island was form, that's how the island was built. >> an appreciation shared by native hawaiians. leaving offerings on mauna loa. and thousands of tourists and locals arriving past sunset just to witness the lava glow. nighttime traffic backs up for miles avoid the congestion, has gone back to the skies. >> that's 2 to 3000 degrees fayyad. that's molten rock. flowing like water. >> which is already crossed one volcano road, power lines in

all, a searing slice right through it. [inaudible] look at the rushing flow. it's like a river. you can see the current of the lava. >> darren estimates is moving 30 to 40 miles per hour. >> there is nothing like this. >> really just an incredible experience, and as you saw in that piece, close up to the source of this current top of the, at victory. it is moving much faster. 30 to 40 miles per hour, according to darren. that was his estimate. physical further down, to the current edge of it. it's a lot so. because it's fanning out. that is about 25 feet per hour, open to officials. still, though it is inching closer to that main highway. currently about two miles away from it. so it is concerning, and something they are closely watching, laura. >> david, thank you so much for reporting. really fascinating stuff. >> look there's also been days of silence from a lot of

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