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after losing friday. he's a true sophomore. he'll have to play another season. >> they're all talented players. i watched that game. what a talented team. >> incredible. they're ready to go to the big leagues right now. >> thank you. thanks for joining me. i'm christine romans. "cnn this morning" starts right now. i'm ready to -- oh -- a
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bunch of little plumbers. ah, good morning, earn. i remember -- >> so well. >> so well, when that was on network television. remembering carkirstie alley, s of "cheers." good morning. >> good morning. a day in washington. i'm back. >> we missed you. i said yesterday like we were missing an appendage. >> good interviews. >> a little later and talk much, much more about kirstie alley and her legacy what she meant to hollywood and her life, and in about an hour, voters in georgia set to decide the final contest in the country. warnock versus walker. can democrats turn georgiaen into undisputed battleground. plus, tens of thousands still in the dark. trying to figure out the motive behind these targeted attacks on
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powered substations. also, the governor's georgia will join us. and targeting military basis hundreds of miles inside russia. how russia is retaliating ahead. we begin with election day. it's election day, of course. take two, as a matter of fact, in georgia. polls open in one hour. voters decide the runoff between democratic incumbent raphael warnock and challenger her vol walker. president joe biden called in with a message for listeners. >> every vote is critical, because, look, all of the things that reverend warnock have supported are things that the people of georgia care a great deal about. >> straight now to atlanta, there you go, outside a polling place. jeff zeleny. good morning to you. candidates making a final pitch to voters last night m.
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who has the edge as polls open in about an hour there? >> reporter: no doubt democratic senator raphael warnock has an edge. you could hear that exuding confidence campaigning yesterday, but warning against complacency. millions of voters in georgia voted already but republican herschel walker is pinning his hoping on high turnout today. both delivered final pitches last night. >> the best thing i've ever done, including the heisman trophy, all of that, best thing run for office right here. a vote for my opponent is a vote for joe biden, and a vote for chuck schumer. >> as a matter of fact, call your father, mother, your sister and your brother, call lottie, dottie and everybody. tell them it's time to vote. tell them that a vote is a kind
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of prayer for the world we desire for ourselves and for our children. >> reporter: in fact, senator warnock went on to say herschel walk ker still win this contest and trying to get the word out democrats still need to vote in this race. georgia voters have the last word on this race as polls open in just one hour. >> lotty, dottie and everybody -- i haven't heard that signs was a kid. my parents and grandparents used to say that. they would say, call, lottie, dottie and everybody. >> can't get that out of my head. zelleny, are you still there? >> reporter: sure. >> heard a lot of big-named surrogates come out for hoerschl walker and 50 is not the same at 51, we need 51, even though democrats control the senate. can you explain that? >> reporter: it is a huge deal poppy. this is why.
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every committee in the senate is evenly split. half democrats, half republicans, the money is split. gummed up works in eyes of democrats over the last two years. if senate warnock wins this contest democrats have an outright majority on every committee, more staff and can move nominations through must faster, issue subpoenas and the biggest thing in the eyes of senate leader schumer, they can be a check on the republican-controlled house. even though one seat it's a very big deal in terms of makeup of those senate committees. >> jeff zeleny, thank you. the call for lottie, dottie and everybody. kaitlan? democrats in the race more than doubled during this crucial runoff. talk about the numbers and break them down with senior reporter harry denton. what are we seeing and what's with the disparity between the two? >> reporter: a lot of money
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spent now. take a look. democrats including outside groups, $55 million. republicans just $26 million for a total of $81 million in ad spending. boy, my goodness. voter in the state of georgia seeing all of those ads. a bit of deja vu going on here. remember, just last year, the 2021 georgia runoff spending. remember two races in the runoff period, two months, that year over $450 million spent. over the last two years you couldn't turn on a television in georgia or listen to the radio waite hearing one of these ads. >> a shorter runoff period. just two weeks. how does this compare and the effort seen from both parties? >> reporter: look at ad spending top five senate races since labor day. again, democrats outsteoutspend republicans.
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$7 $725 million. a lot of money spent on politics. look at voters, do they like this? just 23% overall in. republicans actually more satisfied than democrats, despite the fact, of course, republicans are being outspent but the fact nobody likes this. i think voters are ready to move on and maybe thinking a christmas for a change. >> calls, mailers, turn on the turn, advertisements. harry, thank you. >> reporter: thank you. cnn's special coverage of this runoff election today between senator raphael warnock and herschel walker starts at 4:00 p.m. and police looking for suspect after gunfire attacks on two electrical substations that left tens of thousands in the dark and curfews in place. two weeks ago the fbi warned of are increased threats to the power grud from racially motivated violent extremists.
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we have more from north carolina this morning. gort good morning, whitney. what's the latest? >> reporter: racing against time to fig here did this and why. that fbi bulletin follows a pattern from law enforcement going on for some time. the department of homeland security warned earlier this year since 2022 domestic violence extremist thought the electrical grid represented a particularly good target and recently updated threat assessment bulletin saying the electrical grid remains an attractive target. electrical crews tries to restore power to more than 30,000 customers in noor count county, north carolina. power outages lasting several days and courting millions of dollars. >> it is a selfish act, it is
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cruel. so many people are hurting. >> reporter: while the investigation progresses moore county open add healed a shelte >> we're just stranded. >> still smarting from covid and now this is just economically, people are going to be really set back. >> reporter: the fbi is on the ground assists the investigation as authorities tell the public there is no clear motive for the affect. there were early reports the attack may have been motivated by a local drag crew. no group has taken responsibility. >> early evidence, it is deliberate and an investigation is under way. >> reporter: this highlight the vulnerability of the country's electrical grid. private industry obtained by cnn an increase in reported threats to electrical infrastructure by individuals supporting racially
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or ethnically extreme ideology meant to inspire further violence. >> we want to find who did it and the motive, but certainly we need to be diligent and vigilant knowing that our electric grid can be this vulnerable. >> reporter: according to duke energy there are still around 37,000 customers without power. the estimated time they'll get their power back, thursday at 11:45 in the morning. >> oh, boy. thank you for that. you just saw the north carolina governor in whistney's piece. he'll join us live in just a little bit with the possible motivation and who is behind it all. poppy? this morning russia is on attack happening i n tkherson
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region. trying to send a message without specifically claiming responsibility? >> strategic implications, that they have this capability and c showing it is shorten and number two, got through. unheard of. thought back in nato cold war days it wasn't possible. lastly, psychologically, the fact ukraine can take these it drones, 1970s technology, strip out the cameras and strip out all that stuff, put in ordnance and put in the capability, it's hard. it's hard to hit a target, from 700 kilometers away. very much advantage ukraine in this. >> explain where this is happening and what the attacks over the weekend show us and this shows us?
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>> these two air bases where strategic bombers go. not going into ukraine because they don't control the airspace. russia doesn't control it there. attacked this way, this it direction here. the fact is 700 or so kilometers here 600 to this side, moscow is theoretically threatened now. two military targets, be clear. where they're coming from. where bombers coming from attacking ukraine. bottom line, really hard to send a missile 700 kilometers and hit an airfield as they did. >> something new that ukraine is showing it can carry out? and if it is, is this new training from the west? >> i think a lot has to do with the technology we brought and some of it -- >> the "we" the u.s.? >> call it the west, the u.s. and likely something on the ground painting the target. look at the damage. a 22m backfire, old nato -- a
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russian-made plane, the tail end. this tells me someone blazing that, very precise. really hard to come that distance and hit something in the airfield here. going forward, russia has to think about military targets closer to the ukraine border as we saw this morning in kurson. russians have to re-invent the military to defend them. >> can they do that in the middle of all this? >> redeploy forces back to protect the motherland at this point knowing full well ukraine has this capability. >> thank you. we appreciate it. kaitlan? sad news from the entertainment world at actress kirstie alley died after a brief battle with cancer according to family. friends, former co-starring paying tribute to her, like tim allen, valerie bertinelli. an emmy awarde winning role on the beloved sitcom "cheers."
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long time co-star ted danson recalls an episode stood out to him because it showcased her talent. >> don't you stop loving me! [ sobbing ] we're going to have a plumber. >> on the big screen kirstie alley starred along john travolta in the trilogy "look who's talking". ♪ >> at the height of her career she landed her own tv sitcom "veronica's closet." her children said as iconic on-screen a more amazing mother and grandmother. kirstie alley was 71 years old. >> she did something very tough any actor or actress to do. took over the role in "cheers"
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from shelly long, very popular, brought the show to success and kept it high in ratings but elevated it. so, you know, that is definitely a tribute to her acting abilities. >> "look who's talking." >> yeah. >> one of my favorite movies ever, i think. >> really? >> ever. ever! >> i know. i'm a dork. >> also interesting about her, whether you love her, some didn't towards the end because she became political, she spoke out about -- talked about weight. did she do "fat actress"? wasn't that her? >> weight watchers stuff? >> no. did a show called "fat actress," spoke about it, very open, and open and candid about politics and had a devil may care att attitude. an amazing woman who will be missed. >> thanks for all the laughs. >> absolutely. well, a big supreme court case we told you about yesterday
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morning argued between the high court, odd moments with justice alito making reference to black santa and kids in kkk outfits. why this all came out during arguments involving a website designer and same-sex marriages. also this -- >> the constitution can't be -- >> when president trump says he wants to suspend the constitution, he goes from being maga to being rino. >> and senate republicans slowly pushing back on donald trump's call to terminate the constitution. ♪ holiday music ♪ ♪ t-mobibile won't raise the prie of your talk, text and data.a.
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morning how a major supreme court case may turn out justices seeming sympathetic from a graphic design here does not want to create wedding websites for same-sex couples and moments during these oral arguments turned bizarre. listen to what, listen to this when justice alito raised questions how it could impact different challenges down the road. >> if there's a black santa at the other end of the mall and he doesn't want to have his picture taken with a child who's dressed up in a ku klux klan outfit, that black santa has to do that? >> no, because ku klux klan outfits are not protected characterives under the clause. >> presumably the same ku klux klan outfit whether the child was black, white, or any other -- >> you do see a lot of ku klux
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klan outfits all the time. >> and an exchange between alito and justice kagan how the case could impact jewish people. take a listen. >> an unmarried jewish person asks a jewish photographer to take a photograph for his j date dating profile. dating service, i gather, for jewish people? >> it is. [ laughter ] >> all right. justice kagan may be fan with the next website i'm going to mention. so next the jewish person asks a jewish photographer to take a photograph for this ashley madison dotcom dating profile -- i'm not suggesting she knows a lot of this. i'm not suggesting that. okay. does he have to do it? >> joining us now, senior supreme court analyst, i don't think i've ever heard jokes or
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laughter like that in an oral argument, but we'll get to that in a moment. the big headline out of this case, joan, is, it seems like the court here, very well may rule in a way that would change the game in terms of what private business weres are allowed to do in not serving certain people? >> that's absolutely right, poppy. i have to say that what justice alito was doing there was bringing up hypotheticals meant to diminish the worst-case scenarios that the liberals were bringing to the table, because before he invoked a scenario with a black santa and the kid in the costume justice ketanji brown jackson had shared ruled for a design here doesn't want to serve same-sex couples, could it down the road allow racial discrimination for someone who wants to photograph a white santa only with white children? so that white santa/black santa
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scenario was on the table but justice alito was trying to diminish the other scenarios saying if we rule first time and side with this website designer lori smith who says her christian beliefs preclude her from serving same-sex couples, if they rule for her it would be the first time they're saying that a business that serves the public can, and that engages in some expression, can shut out certain people based on religion, based on race, based on sex. >> joan, we actually heard from lori smith, the petitioner in this case, this graphic designer, and she talked to cnn about what her position is. all this is preemptive, which i think is a critical part of this. what she told cnn last night about her position here. >> i want to design for weddings and i want to design in a way that's consistent with my faith but colorado is censoring and
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compelling my speech and forcing me to create custom artwork, custom expression that goes against the core who i am and what i believe. state of colorado saying you must set aside your beliefs to communicate a message that goes against what you believe. that should be frightening to all of us. nobody should be forced to create a message that goes against the core of who they are. >> joan, the frustration, seemed for some justices like justice kagan hasn't actually turned away any customers or faced any punishment. how are they expected to rule on this? >> exactly right, kaitlan. the clip brings up two factors, one the justice ds do not have complete rule of facts. they don't know how it will play out because the justices don't know just what the state of colorado would do to enforce its anti-discrimination against her and the other thing i want to make clear is, i think she made a good argument for how her
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website is essentially her expressive speech, but the justices said, you know, really, whose speech is it? isn't it the couples who are going to be married? you know, you're not -- so there's a lot of questions about just who's expression would be at issue here, and just how far the discrimination could go, kaitlan. >> yeah. we'll wait to see. >> though, for me -- where do you -- where does it end? right? joan, i heard you say yesterday, seems like the conservative justices were doing everything they could to try to rule for her, and the more liberal justices wondering where does this end? is it someone who may have a disability, if you don't believe in that? someone who doesn't have blonde hair? where does it end if you rule for this? joan, i don't like you're earrings, so i'm not going to do business. >> i like joan's earrings but he make as great pointant and that's to say.
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>> the side with the most votes going right into it the sixth justice supermajority and i didn't see any dents in that side. >> seem sympathetic to her argument. thanks for breaking it down for us. they defended the u.s. capitol january 6th and today those officers are getting a very high honor. one of the rezcirecipients, har dunn, joins us next. plus this -- >> these guys should are calling out our former president for asking to set aside the constitution of the united states and reinstall -- how do you do that? there's nothing, no process for that and why can't you speak out against that kind of foolishness? >> that is congressman jim c clyburn calling out donald trump for his "terminate the constitution" and republicans for not condemning it. we sit down for an interview, ahead.
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welcome back, everyone, to "cnn this morning." here's is what's coming up -- republicans are slowly turning on trump for his comments about the constitution, but many still remain silent. hours from now congressional leaders will host a medal ceremony honoring the police who defended the capitol. officer harry dunn will join us live straight ahead. and a sweet surprise. neil diamond popping up in north city with a rare imp prompt tu perfo impromptu performance. and we will find out what mitch mcconnell thinks about president trump calling to terminate the constitution. mcconnell says he'll address all of that this afternoon at the former president says he didn't say the thing that he definitely
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said. saturday trump posted this about the 2020 election. "a massive fraud of this type and magnitude allows for termination of all rules, regulations and articles even those found in the constitution." fast forward two days now here is what former president trump is saying "the fake news is actually trying to convince the american people that i said i wanted to terminate the constitution." no. that actually is what he said and what he wrote as you just saw. so now more republicans are slowly coming forward to put space between themselves and trump on this. here are senators john kennedy and mitt romney. >> i disagree with the president. the constitution can be amended. the constitution can be interpreted, but the constitution can't be suspended. >> well, as you know, the republican party has long been the party of the constitution and so when president trump says he wants to suspend the constitution, he goes from being
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maga to being rino. >> it's not just those two. senator john thune says the constitution is the bedrock of our country i could not disagree more. senator john cornyn, i don't know why anybody would say something like that, schedule not an ex-president. senator others weighed in as well. gop senator roger marshall declined to condemn the comments saying he thinks media should focus elsewhere. >> i don't know what president trump said about the constitution. i just don't think that's the issue or what you all should be talking about. >> senator lindsey graham and senator tim scott declined to weigh in at all. so this morning law enforcement heroes who defended the capitol on january 6th will be honored a the a gold medal ceremony with congressional leaders. congress passed the measure to
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award medals live by partisan vote but 21 house republicans voted against this passage. a reminder that some members of congress still do not acknowledge the truth about the deadly january 6th riot. one of the officers set to receive congress' highest honor today, capitol police officer harry dunn who was inside the capitol during the attack and called the n word by rioters more than a dozen times that day, months after the attack he spoke about living with the emotional trauma from january 6th at a congressional hearing. >> for those of us in the capitol police who serve and revere this institution, and who love the capitol building, it was the saddest day for us as well. more than six months later january 6th still isn't over for me. >> u.s. capitol police officer harry dunn joins me now. harry, thank you for joining. how are you doing? >> hey, what's up, don? good to talk to you, man. i'm doing all right. how about you? >> it's good to see you.
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i'm doing well. listen, i just want to know how you're feeling about today, because you've wait add long time. you said you want answers. this is just an acknowledgement, a recognition of what you and other officers went through, so how are you feeling about that? >> yeah. i tweeted out last night about when i started this speaking out about what we experienced on january 6th. it was all about accountability for everybody who had any part of the failures. who was responsible for any part of the failures that day to be held accountable, but it's also about justice. today, though, this honor that wasn't sought out. the historical significance behind it it just means so much and i'm truly honored and humbled to receive this. i was looking over some of the list -- the list of some of the resill yants of the congressional gold medal, and, to be in some of those people's
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company is truly an honor so i'm thankful for that. >> listen, again, it's an honor but does it go towards accountability or is it separate and apart? >> i think it's separate. if they would just give a medal and that's the end of it, then that wouldn't be enough. i'd decline it. no thank you. get to the bottom of what happened. but i think that's separate and i think the justice department is doing that as we saw in some of the outcomes, the convictions last week and that are continuing to happen. so i think it's slow but that justice is happening, and the accountability. so -- >> we're coming up on almost two years since this happened, since your life was at risk fighting for democracy. right? and for the peaceful transfer of power. we're coming up on two years. where are you now in the two years? have you had any sort of resolution, or are you still
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feeling angst about it almost two years later? >> you know, now it's kind of like i'm just waiting and seeing. i never knew that an investigation, or this could take this long. however, i've never also seen an insurrection happen before so i don't have any baseline to gauge it off of as far as timewise, but, you know, things are happening, even if it's slow, things are happening and i'm glad that the justice department is, would go on it and hopefully getting it right. i do have my days where i'm, you know, age little down, upset, a little angry. i don't think those will ever go away, because the memories of what happened that day will be forever ingrained in my, in my head, and in american history. but i -- i deal with it, and i know how to deal with it a lot better than i did when it first
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happened. so -- >> yeah. listen, as a law enforcement officer you took an oath. the former president of the united states also took and oath to the constitution, and is now saying that the constitution, or has said that the constitution should be suspended. what do you make of that? >> that's a wild dude, man. like, he -- just when you think he can't get anymore outrageous he just goes and does and says those things but i'm not giving him any attention. today it's all about dedication to duty and oath to my co-workers and myself, and the metropolitan police department took, and fulfilled on that day. so i don't want to give any attention and credit to that guy. >> actually said, should be terminated, not suspended but now trying to walk it back. you and officer michael fanone and others will receive that
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award today and well-deserved. so proud of you and thank you for appearing on cnn this morning. >> thank you. thanks a lot, don. good talking with you, man. >> you as well. well-deserved honor indeed. ahead, a big house headline this morning. you're fought going to like it. a new study says eating junk food may lead to dementia. we're going to tell you how to protect yourself, next. under your pillow. or optining for the couch. your best sleep. all night. every night. for a limited time, save u up to $500 on select tempur-pedic® adjustable mattress sets. [ coughing/sneezing ] dude, you u coming? alka-seltzer plus powermax gels with more concentrated power. because the only thing dripping should be your style! plop plop fizz fizz with alka-seltzer plus. also try for fast sinus and pa relief! i have moderatto severe plaque psoriasis. now, there's skyrizi. with skyrizi 3 out of 4 people achieved
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to find out more, go to nbp.org because braille literacy, is literacy. all right. i feel like you and me like junk food pap new study says eating ultra processed foods can put you in early diagnosis of dementia. that means burgers, fries, hot dogs. a new study says if they're 20% of your daily intake you may raise the rick for cognitive decline and for the average diet about 400 calories or one sausage mcmullen with cheese from mcdonald's, eight-piece
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nuggets from burger king or a 12-ounce can of soda. joining us with this awful news is the doctor, and not surprising junk food is bad for you but the fact it could put you at risk for dementia is not good news. >> i'm always the bearer of bad news. ultra processed foods, what are they? you mentioned, foods that are really loaded with saturated fats, trans-fats, sugar, salt and a lot of add titives design to be palpable and addict niv a sense and pretty much anything you think of you dream about eating your kids love, that you can eat easily or heat up easily. things like hot dogs, hamburgers, pizza, french fries, cookies, pastry, candy and soda and unfortunately they make up a large part of the american diet. in fact, 58% of the calories we consume in america are from ultra processed foods. >> just the meat stuff or my
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daughter's vegetarian and i heat up veggie nuggets. things like that. >> can be that, too, yes. it's additives. read the label and look. processed meats, too. >> what about your hash browns? >> i'm bad. i'm from the south. kaitlan's from the south. they know, we know, make something better, just fry it. >> right. of course. >> and been to mcdonald's from the set more days that not. >> true. >> this is very serious. like, how much did it increase the risk of cognitive decline? this is a serious story. >> right. we know about the link between ultra processed foods and things like cardiovascular disease, diabetes, cancers but not coal in ative decline. researchers took about 10,000 before zillions average age 50, gave a food questionnaire and looked at cognitive function. if daily consumption of ultra processed food, calories accounted over 20% of their intick it was associated with
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cognitive decline, global cognitive decline and executive function, the part of the brain used to process information and make decisions. as you mentioned it doesn't take a lot to get to that 20%. that's about 400 calories in a 2,000-calorie diet. how might this be happening? ultra processing foods, we think, increase inflation, mike g micro gut, damage there. this is an association. there are limitations there. >> oh, boy. >> i'm sorry! >> i'm going to change my lunch now. salad. i'm going to get a salad. >> are you really? >> no. >> no. >> but, look, honestly it's terrible, but you only have one life. so i'm going to -- >> live it. >> -- live it. >> if you have an overall healthy diet that could negate some of the -- >> i don't have an overall healthy diet. >> nice try, though, doc.
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well, i mean, kind of -- truth is inflation hit america's bank accounts a little hard and now threatening to put a damper on holiday cheer. price of real christmas trees skyrocketed this year with vast majority of tree growers expecting wholesale price increase anywhere from 5% to 15%. those costs passed down to who? >> you. >> the consumer. to you guys. cnn chief business correspondent christine romans and cnn's business reporter nathaniel
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meyerson both join pups good morning. hate to put a damper on christmas, but -- what is happening? why are these prices going up? >> higher fuel costs higher fertilizers costs. christmas comes once a year. this year compared to last a lot of input costs are higher for these tree growers. so wholesale prices could be up about 15%. what goes in must come in, out of it in what you pay for it. >> baked in. we watt obought other thee tris weekend. it's perfect. very expensive. >> you buy fake ones. >> buy real ones. i have to get up early, we scale back, and -- >> i don't have the energy for a real tree. >> vacuum the needles. >> real expensive this year. >> wholesale prices up 5% to 15% driven by higher labor costs higher transportation costs. most trees in this country grown in north carolina or in
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pennsylvania and delivered across the country. why prices are up. there are a few ways customers can save. big-box stores like walmart offer discounts on christmas trees want to draw them in, loss leaders and get them to spend on decorations, gifts, everything you need for the holidays, and maybe if you want to buy a smaller tree this year or switch to artificial trees. artificial trees, retailers bought them about a year ago. they locked in those prices before inflation hit. >> i was so against it and now am for it. artificial tree, pop it in, boom, boom, lights and -- >> fight about it later. >> yes. >> speaking of coming in to get the artificial trees, you notice people going into stores, more self-checkout. not just convenience stores, popping in, popping out. seeing department stores seeing more self-checkouts. >> some of the stores you
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wouldn't expect are rolling out self-checkout. kohl's, bed bath & beyond. h & m, others, self-check out controversy. some love it. think it moves more quickly than regular cashiers, others frustrated. think about the errors. you hear unexpected item in the bagging area, please, place item in the bag. >> i'm team real tree with kaitlan and team real people! i want to say, hello! how are you? thank you. and jobs! >> the problem is they can't find workers for these jobs and investing -- heard the fed chief last week say expect more investment in technology in jobs they can't secure people for. buying sweatshirts for the boys. surprised. bump it all in a bin. wave your phone and walk out. >> don't have the to scan it. just put the bag on the thing and, boom, it does it. >> so easy.
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