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viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm bianna gloel dreeg ga in new york. the 2022 elections have finally come to an end with raphael warnock winning. he defeats republican challenger, herschel walker, the former football star who had never held public office. it gives democrats a 51-49 win in the senate. walker's campaign was filled with gaffes and missteps. he was hand picked to run for the georgia seat by former president donald trump and republican strategists say his defeat is yet another nail in the coffin for trump's influence. walker was quick to concede the race after cnn and other news organizations projected warnock's victory and the senator addressed his supporters at his campaign headquarters in atlanta late tuesday.

>> and after a hard-fought cam campaign, or should i say campaigns, it is my honor to utter the four most powerful words ever spoken in a democracy. the people have spoken. >> one of the things i want to tell all of you is you never stop dreaming. i don't want any of you to stop dreaming. i don't want any of you to stop believing in america. i want you to believe in america and continue to believe in the constitution and believe in our elected officials most of all. continue to pray for them because all the prayers you've given me, i felt those prayers. >> we'll talk to a panel of experts to see what fueled senator warnock's victory.

first, let's get to john berman to walk us through the path to victory. john, good to see you even if it's very early in new york city. walk us through what got warnock across the finish line. >> raphael warnock, the margin is 95,000 votes. that's three times what it was roughly the 37,000 vote lead in the first round one month ago. there were two counties that flipped, just two in the entire state that flipped that voted for herschel walker this time. tiny counties though. you can see washington county here. warnock won by about 100 votes. one month ago it was walker up by 100 votes. it is the same situation in baldwin county, but the real story i think in this election this time around happened around the atlanta area. the urban and suburban atlanta area for sure. i can show you some of the margins here. you can take fulton county which is the most populus county in

the state. raphael warnock with a huge, huge lead there. 52%. he got 280,000 votes. he had a big margin there. a little bit less of a margin one month ago but you can see what a difference the larger population makes. there's a story going on in georgia and it's happening in some other states around the country as well. i want to show you the population growth in georgia over the last tep years. the darker the shade, the larger the amount of growth. the greater the growth. there are two counties i want to point out to you. one republican and one democratic. this is forsythe county and this is henry county. this is a county that voted for herschel walker. this is a county that voted for raphael warnock. forsythe county, this area had 25% growth over the past ten years. herschel walker has a 32-point margin. hey, that's a lot, right? herschel walker, plus 32 but let me take you back to 2012, which

s isn't that long ago, flight. >> right. >> in the presidential race this was a county won by mitt romney by 62, o62. imagine that. so 63. look at the change there. as the population has grown, it has become more democratic and it's a similar story in this other county. mitt romney won this county by about 5 points so it was romney plus 5 and take it all the way to this special election we just had. you see raphael warnock won it by plus 36. so it's d plus 33, r plus 5 in 2012. you can see over the ten years as the population has grown here this has become a democratic county. that's become the story of georgia as it's flipped from a red to a purple and now i

wouldn't call it a blue state but it's a state the democrats can and have won now repeatedly over the last couple of years. >> two years ago there was a question whether that was a one off, an anomaly for the democrats. the question is what shade of purple has georgia turned? can we say georgia is a purple state? are we looking at a deep red purple or, you know, i guess the question is what can democrats glean from tonight's election? >> i think it's yes, but or yes with asterisk. they have won three senate races in two years. raphael warnock twice and jon ossoff who won as well. for all the glee that democrats have in maintaining this senate seat, in the gubernatorial race brian kemp, the republican won handily. he won by nearly 8 points and republicans won just about every other statewide race in georgia

this time around. the only race they lost was the senate race where one big reason, according to many republicans you talk to around the country, was this guy, herschel walker. it might be more of a candidate issue. the so it's a state that democrats can and have won. is it a state that they will start winning every time like virginia, which is now seen as less purple, more blue? hard to tell. >> and will republicans blame donald trump for getting them into this predick snamt. >> yes. i think they already have. i'll just point out. if you are talking about states where trump backed a losing candidate, georgia, pennsylvania, arizona, all states where the democratic candidate won and the trump-backed republican lost. >> i see a trend there. john berman, good to see you, my friend. here to talk about all of this is our distinguished guest. jackie kucinich, april ryan is a white house correspondent for

the grio and a cnn political analyst as well. maria cardona is a democratic strategist and cnn commentator, charlie dent and karen r finn is a cnn political commentator. a lot to digest here, panel. welcome all of you. jackie, let me begin with you. the fourth election for georgians in just two years' time here. there had been some concern going into this election about voter exhaustion especially given the fact the state did not hold control of the senate anymore. people came out in droves, early voting and yesterday. what does that tell you the about where voters stand in this state? >> i think you also have to look at what was at stake here for democrats versus republicans. the fact that democratic spending was so high tells you that this was about a lot more

than one senate seat. it absolutely is. in addition to having 51 and a little bit more breathing room. perhaps to neutralize a joe manchin or two, it also allows them to have subpoena power, to have committees not easily split which makes it so they don't have to get bipartisan agreement to get a lot of stuff done on the committee level. this is good news for judges, for parts of biden's agenda that doesn't -- doesn't involve the house, of course, because that is flipped. so there was so much more at stake than even one senate seat for democrats. you saw that in the investment and in the way they were trying to mobilize every voter possible. >> yeah. april, if i can bring you in just to go back to what john berman was talking about, and that is the change in demographics in the states,

particularly around the rural and urban areas of atlanta. talk about what that means not only for this race because, again, this is not an anomaly. this is the fourth election for this state. i am sure they are going to enjoy this time off from having to worry about yet another election in the immediate future. what does it say about where those demographics are taking the state for future elections? >> we have to always remember that atlanta is a southern state. many ways it's still very traditional in some of those old southern ways. you have atlanta and then you have the rest of georgia, but what's happening, people have come for jobs, et cetera, to atlanta, but when you look at atlanta in these counties, in these cities, the choices have

been clear. in the northern part of the state where forsythe, et cetera, it went to herschel walker. more democratic populations, atlanta area, suburbs, savannah, et cetera, you have more of a solid blue for raphael warnock leaving the state trying to come to grips with who it is as the population is swelling with new traditions and some of the old that include coming to grips with issues of race, voting rights, abortion, et cetera. there's an influx of a new mindset, some liberal in ways in college areas, but this is a state that still has to come to grips with the old and the new. last night we saw that the new won over the old kind with the

trumpism and the mindset of donald trump and the republican party making way for a man who wants to bring parties together, who wants to heal divides, who wants to deal with issues of abortion, wants to deal with issues of voting rights, who wants to deal with people seeing everyone if they voted for him or not. >> maria, how much of this election was focused on issues versus the candidates themselves? >> well, i actually think the issues vis-a-vis the candidate quality are connected in a way that you really can't separate them, and what i mean by that is that voters went into this georgia runoff frankly not all that different than they went into the mid-term elections, with so many issues at the forefront of their mind. front line first and foremost was something a lot of pundits and reporters and frankly a lot of people in my own party got

wrong. karen and april and i actually talked about this, and we were all in agreement that the issue of democracy, the issue of abortion, the issue of freedom and privacy and rights were absolutely going to be front and center, both in the mid-terms as well as in this georgia runoff. the reason why you can't really separate it from the candidate quality or the character of the candidate is because these candidates, and specifically in georgia herschel walker as hand picked by donald trump, represented those key issues completely on the opposite and wrong side of history but also on the wrong side of where voters were coming into the voting booth in georgia as well as in the mid-term election. so, for example, when you had women who were absolutely worried about the economy, and rising gas prices, they were

also worried about their rights. we had women tell us, look, the economy will come back, but my rights won't. that is where you can see that the lack of candidate quality, integrity, moral character really was integral in why these voters went into the voting booth to make the decisions that they made, because they wanted somebody that was not going to take away their freedoms, that was going to be decent, that was going to represent the values that a lot of these voters felt traditional as american values and they clearly made a decision that they were not going to accept the extremist maga republican agenda that so many of these donald trump hand picked election denying abortion rights denying democracy denying constitution denying candidates represented. >> if i can just sort of push back a bit and bring karen in, because these were exactly the issues that stacey abrams ran

on. while governor kemp is not that republican in the sense of supporting donald trump, he walked a fine line in staying away from him, he won handily in this race. so what is it about the candidates who were up for senator in that seat versus the gubernatorial race? because as we just heard from maria, these were big issues that stacey abrams also touted. >> it's a really excellent point. i mean, look, number one i think we should acknowledge that the state of georgia is a fertile ground for democrats today because it was stacey abrams 10, 12 years ago was looking at the demographic changes you were talking about with john and a little bit earlier in the panel. the increase in latino voters, api voters, looking at women voters and looking at the places where you could increase, you know, the democratic turnout.

to the specifics though of the governor's race, stacey was running against an incumbent. in 2018 both were unknown sort of. you did see in the general election something we haven't seen in a long time where you saw ticket splitters. you saw some people who voted for kemp and may have actually voted for warnock. we know that in that general election walker underperformed warnock's vote by about 200,000 votes and it's clear in the runoff election he was not able to close that gap. the other thing i want to mention that i think was at play here in addition to the things kemp mentioned, for african american voters, particularly african american men, there was a conversation going on around which of these two men is -- will -- do we want representing

us on the national stage and in washington, d.c.? someone who's going to stand up and talk about wear wolves and vampires or is a pastor at martin luther king's former church and has delivered for the state of georgia and has maintained his connection as senator. he's done all of the things you would tell someone to do, get back there every week, make sure you're staying connected to the voters. he really did do that. there's some different dynamics at play there as well. >> if i can turn to you now, charlie, save the best for last in terms of what this means for the republican party and their connection to donald trump? is this finally the breaking point given that his hand-picked candidates lost and the state once again turned to a democratic candidate for senate now twice? >> well, certainly this should

be a breaking point. we'll see if it is. let's be very honest about what happened here tonight. herschel walker was an awful candidate. had republicans nominated somebody more conventional without all the baggage, somebody like brad raffensperger orduncan, i tell you, that person would have won tonight. you nominate candidates, you know, who have allegations of domestic abuse, hypocrite call on abortion, his own son says he was never involved in the lives of his children, some of whom we learned about in the campaign, there are residency issues, there are regular issues around herschel walker. his concession speech was quite good, but you cannot nominate candidates who -- they cannot defy political gravity. these were disqualifying issues. it's not just in georgia. trump's interventions in

pennsylvania, dr. oz, you know, good, novel man but he never lived in the state. it was a problem. everybody knew it. arizona, same problems with that candidate. trump kept good candidates from getting in. governor sununu in new hampshire and governor dousy in arizona. people wanted me to run in pennsylvania but i'm not going to run in the party right now where people have to be a trumpian guy. trump has caused enormous damage to the party. until the republican national committee and the state committees wake up and realize that their job is to nominate electable candidates who do not offend independent and swing voters, they're more concerned about pledging loyalty to donald trump than they are to winning, they're going to have more disaster. i hope this is the breaking point. it may not be. >> we've had people hoping for this breaking point in the past. you mentioned jeff duncan and it

does speak volumes when a republican says -- their lieutenant governor said he could not bring himself to vote for the republican candidate. thank you, panel. stay with me. we'll be right back. still to come, it's a bad week to be donald trump from a tax fraud conviction in the much courts and a loss for his georgia candidate. and we're saving a ton. go to shipstation.com /tv and get 2 months free.

georgia did an amazing thing. in 2021 it sent its first african american senator and its first jewish senator to the united states senate! and you have done it again! thank you, georgia. >> there are no excuses in life and i'm not going to make any excuses now because we put up one heck of a fight. >> raphael warnock was able to net more than half the vote in the georgia runoff crossing that

critical 50% threshold but it was a seesaw for most of the night with the lead flipping between him and herschel walker. the final election is now over and walker will soon begin a full six-year term in the senate. a new york jury ruled and the trump attorneys will appeal. we're tracking major developments into the investigation also into the u.s. capitol riot. the january 6th committee plans to make criminal referrals to the justice department. the panel has not yet narrowed down everyone who would be referred or what they might recommend as charges. those decisions will come soon as the committee is set to wrap

up its probe and publish a final report by the end of the year. to discuss all of this, let's bring the panel back in. jackie, let's start with you. it has been, some can say, a very bad week for the former president. what does this mean -- >> and it's only wednesday. >> and it's only wednesday. he has lashed out as expected on truth social. what does this say about his bid for the presidency? >> i really do think this gives his potential 2024 opponents quite a bit of fodder given, you know, the work of the prosecutors in new york regarding the trump organization. we don't know whether he'll be a part of the criminal referrals for the january 6th committee, that they will be making. chairman thompson wasn't clear

about that. he's kept that pretty close to vest, but obviously he has been a focal point of that investigation. he will be a big part of that report and, again, this is just more and more fodder for a potential vote on the republican side of the ledger and also for the democrat that faces former president trump in 2024. >> can charlie, this is a man who has withstood past negative headlines, to say the least, two impeachments, other investigations, lawsuits throughout his career, both as a businessman and politician. what is your take on this? >> clearly this is very damaging. i mean, this company has been convicted of tax fraud. i think this is a very big deal. i think if his primary opponents are smart, and hopefully in the words of the cowardly lion, they can find their courage.

they'll call him out by name. they will fight him. they are going to have to plead trump and trumpism. gravity does matter. this recent conviction from today. his wanting to terminate the constitution. we can go on, all the outrageous and outlandish things he's said over the years, but at some point we talked earlier about a breaking point. i hope we've reached it. it's quite clear to me, he is unelectable. he is unelectable. the question for the republican party and the republican base is do you really want to go through this again? you have to not only beat trump, you have to beat trumpism. you can't run as oh, i love his policies, i just don't like him. that's not going to cut it. who's going to stand up, take this on hid on, not sugar coat it, not try to placate the

damage he's done to the party and made it so difficult. the republican party wants to be a serious governing party, it needs to nominate serious, sober people who are going to do the hard work of governing instead of, you know, appealing to grievance and all their unhappiness. that's where we've got to go. >> we shall see. charlie, listen, i can probably count on one hand how many republicans have publicly said what you just said so i guess that is what we are all still waiting for. this isn't our first rodeo with him, it's not his either. it's all to be determined. panel, stay with me. we're going to take another quick break. we will also ask our panel what senator warnock's win means for president biden and his agenda.

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capitol hill is waking up to a new reality this morning with a 51-49 majority for democrats in the u.s. senate. that's all thanks to voters in georgia who have re-elect the raphael warnock. cnn projects warnock will win the georgia runoff by a slim margin. it's his second runoff victory in just two years. warnock will defeat former republican challenger herschel walker and serve a full six-year term in the senate. walker carried the vast majority of rural counties while senator warnock ran up the margins in the cities, especially atlanta. he promised that in his first full term he will represent all georgians. >> here's my promise to you, i will walk with you even as i work for you.

because here is what i've learned as a pastor, you can't lead the people unless you love the people. you can't love the people unless you know the people and you can't know the people unless you walk among the people. you cannot serve me if you cannot see me. and so during these difficult days, even as i work on specific public policy proposals and i offer bills and work with my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to get those bills passed, i just want you to know that i see you. >> the white house posted this photo of president joe biden calling raphael warnock.

tonight we stood up and most importantly sent a good man back to the senate. maria, let me turn to you now. what does warnock's victory do for president biden's agenda for the next two years, especially given that control of the house will go to republicans? >> it's a big deal so i'm glad you are asking it. some would say, look, democrats already had control of the senate at 50-50. what does really one more count? how much more of a big deal is it? and it is because at 51 it's going to give us control over the committees that oversee the senate and all of the issues that the senate has jurisdiction. that i think is incredibly important. i will not under estimate some of the reasons why voters might have gone to the polls

especially on our side and, frankly, independents as well as they saw house republicans and kevin mccarthy really focus on instead of the things they promised during the election of governing and focusing on solutions for inflation, the economy, crime, border, all of the things that they talked about that democrats did so horribly and that republicans were going to come in and change, instead what is the first thing that they announce? they announce investigations. they threaten impeachment. they want to have biden's cabinet resign or else. and so that to me indicates and i think frankly to a lot of voters indicates that republican leadership, republican control actually means additional chaos, more chaos, not governing. so i think that gave an additional reason for people to go to the polls in georgia to say, look, we want reasonable solutions. we want people who are going to

be focusing on our problems. that's why i think warnock was so smart when he continues to talk about bringing everyone together, representing everyone in georgia, including the people who did not vote for him, because his message along be with so many democrats that won in the senate, we also did a lot better than expectations is because we focused on solutions. we focused on bringing people together. we focused on governing. that did democrats a lot of good. >> karen, let's pick up on that. that's a good point that maria raises. warnock went out of his way to appeal to progressives, progressives who were not willing to vote or a bit upset with some of herschel walkers rhetoric and his past. we saw warnock continue throughout this campaign to talk about his work across the aisle with republicans.

now that he will be back in the senate for another six years, what do you make of this hope, at least, for more bipartisanship not only in this lame duck, obviously, but in 2023 ahead? >> it's going to be a challenge but it should be as maria pointed out. the agenda is going to be driven by investigations. that being said, now that democrats have full control, real control of the senate, it does give some leverage to try to reach out, you know, to the other chamber to say, look, many people are up for re-election in 2024. we need to get a few things done and to try to see if there are some small places where perhaps they can move some things forward. the other thing that i think is critically important, couple things here, it gives democrats in the senate the opportunity

to, as some of us in washington say, stop bad things from happening. from the legislative or message type legislation that may come from the republicans in the house will be stopped by democrats in the senate. and that will also set up, again, one of the things as charlie was mentioning the republicans have to worry about is the extremism label. not just trump but trumpism. so, you know, the more you see democrats, both in the house and now in the senate really talking about solutions, that says -- you know, leaves out of the equation what are the republicans going to do? if you then see republicans in the house being more extreme and you don't see republicans in the senate willing to work with democrats, again, that sets up sort of a messaging narrative going into the 2024 elections where we have both the presidential and --

>> we expect to see republican extremism up ahead if he is elected speaker of the house. panel, stick with us. still to come, the key take aways from the georgia runoff including some painful lessons for republicans. pick an order print everything you need slap the label on ito the box and it's ready to go our r cost for shipping, were cut in half just like that go to shipstation/tv and get 2 months free

as we wrap things up for this hour, i want to get some final thoughts from our panel on the election results. april ryan, let's start with you. >> it was a concession speech and the victory speech. herschel walker with the concession speech was the clearest we've ever heard him in his extemporaneous talk to the crowd and he also talked about supporting the constitution, something that the man who supported him, donald trump, is walking away from. and then with raphael warnock, he talked about politics being

personal, how he's walking with the people even though they may not have voted with him in trying to get things done, unity across the aisle. those are the two take aways for me. >> the bar is really low when we are applauding people for supporting the constitution and yet here we are. charlie, your thoughts? >> real quick. look, candidates may matter less, but they still matter a lot. that's the bottom line. the you can't nominate, you know, horrible candidates in this case and then hope to win general elections and of course donald trump's very disastrous influence on the nomination process in the party has proven catastrophic. catastrophic, full stop. >> maria? >> well, all of that is true, the challenge for republicans is going to be will they be able to quit donald trump? because they still haven't. they keep saying everything that he has done is the death nell,

it's over, they're going to switch lanes, they're going to turn the page, but right now donald trump is still the biggest draw among republican voters. the most popular person who is up for 2024. will they be able to do it? if they can't, joe biden will win again. if they do, i think it could be a new day for the republican party and american politics. >> karen finney, do you agree? >> i do, but i just want to say to the voters of georgia, your vote matters. i always use georgia as an example to remind people how much voting actually matters. twice now it's the voters of georgia who literally have fundamentally helped to change the direction of this country. and i think what that says for the democratic party is we need to continue to learn the lessons of how important our ground game is. the that has a lot to do with how and why we won in georgia. i worked on the 2021 special

election. let's keep learning those special lessons. for the republican party, it's into is to see them finally talking about quitting donald trump, this is not a profile in courage, it is the american people who stood up and stood firm and said, no, we're not going back to 2020, we're moving forward. >> jackie kucinich, ultimately we have a democrat who won in what was a red state, but it was still by a narrow margin. what does that say about the future of the party in that state and what we can expect in the next two years? >> i think you have two bohemoths of a ground game working against each other. you can't deny that stacey abrams machine that she built over years helped propel rafr fall warnock and on the same token you had brian kemp's machine behind herschel walker. so the mobilization really does

matter and -- but i think to kind of put a button in it, what everyone here is saying, i mean, election denialism ultimately lost this entire cycle. across the country there were fair elections and they were both -- you know, not a lot of -- i think there was concern votes took some time to be counted, but all in all those do question the integrity of the u.s. election system lost. >> kudos to the election system, to all those people, all the election workers and to the voters in georgia who now came out for their fourth election in two years. they deserve a round of applause in that state. jackie, april, charlie, karen, it's been a fun hour for you. thank you so much for joining us. i'm bianna golodryga. i'm going to send it over to my

friend. >> still ahead, moscow accusing ukraine of a series of attacks carried out deep inside russia. why this could hint at a new stage of drone warfare.

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ukrainian officials say there were attacks in villages wounding three people. the regional governor in zaporizhzhia says one hurt was a 15-year-old girl and it destroyed 20 homes in two villages. a russian-backed officials in donetsk says ukrainian shelling has killed four people and wounded 19 in the past 24 hours. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy said the country's path to independence lies in the freedom of donetsk and crime me yeah. sc -- crimea. so far we know the ukrainians who were -- if it was ukraine, where did they get it?

>> officially the ukrainians have denied this. there's a lot of questions for the americans because they're the largest arms supplier. their policy has been not to supply these kind of weapons because they're worried about a multitude of things. they're worried about any strikes deep inside of russian territory could escalate this kind of conflict. american officials from state and defense department have been asked this by the state department's spokesperson. they were asked point blank whether or not the u.s. provided these weapons and he said plainly, no. victoria newman said whether the u.s. policy on not providing these had changed at all and she also said very plainly, no. perhaps because we also know that there is a ukrainian state-owned weapon manufacturer that says that it has developed the capability of long-range drones and successfully tested them, perhaps the u.s. is enabling that kind of development.

u.s. secretary of state antony blinken was asked about that yesterday and here's his answer. >> we have neither encouraged nor enabled the ukrainians to strike inside of russia, but the important thing is to understand what ukrainians are living through every day with the ongoing russian attack. >> not enabling and not encouraging. they were asked if the u.s. is doing anything to stop them from getting them and his answer was, no. not encouraging, not preventing either. >> thank you. in a wave of protests, china says it's easing more covid-19 restrictions. authorities have announced a sweeping set of new guidelines and they largely scrapped the controversial health care system that allowed people to quarantine at home. china's foreign ministry said the changes are, quote, keeping pace with the times. let's go to anna krcoran with t

times. it appears to be concessions in response to the protests. what implications does that have for a government that is perceived as being able to essentially do whatever it wants? >> reporter: i really think this is china beginning to dismantle a zero covid technology that's been in place for three years. they announced ten measures earlier today. they include allowing those who are asymptomatic or mild symptoms to quarantine at home. there will be no mass lockdowns, just apartments and buildings. they will eliminate mass pcr test being and most importantly, bianca, the vaccination program will now be exaccelerated. three years and now it's going

to be accelerated. experts say they need three shots of the chinese vaccine for it to be effective. as you mention it comes following the nationwide protests which began at the end of last month after a fire killed ten people in a sealed off building in schenn jiang which they could not reach. the protests rattled the young government. as of last week we saw restrictions ease in various cities. while china is going to downgrade the status which is on par with cholera and the bubonic plague. the one size fits all approach is no longer appropriate. a huge step in the right direction for the people of china. >> anna coren, thank you so much. in germany police have arrested 25 people suspected of being far right extremists plotting to overthrow the government. the federal prosecutor's office says the arrests were made across the country.

suspects thought to be members of the group who have a citizens movement. they're planning armed attacks. authorities say earlier today they're going and there are dozens of other suspects. that does it here on "cnn newsroom." i'm bianca nobilo in london. "cnn this morning" is next.

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