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there are no excuses in life and i'm not going to make any excuses now. we put up one heck of a fight. >> the people have spoken. those are four very, very powerful words, everyone. it is the day after election day. good morning. wednesday, december 7th. so much to go over. closing out a bruising mid-term cycle. >> i'm kaitlyn collins. warnock became the first black senator from georgia for a full term. the key number, 51 to 49. giving them a real working majority. >> that's right. donald trump costing the gop another big and very winnable
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race on the same day two of his family businesses were convicted of criminal tax fraud, not to mention the january 6th committee making criminal referrals to the department of justice. that could involve him. zblr so let's get to what happened last night. this morning the 2022 mid-terms are behind us. finally democrats defying the odds by actually gaining a seat in the senate. mr. john berman is here at the magic wall this morning. john, i'm happy to see you. take it away. what happened? >> got some magic for you. the margin, raphael warnock, 95,000 votes in this runoff election. one month ago warnock led but it was only 37,000 votes. he's expanded that margin.
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what happened? two counties flips. raphael warnock won by 100 votes and one month ago it was herschel walker by roughly the same margin. the same story in baldwin county. warnock up by about 150 and one month ago it was walker who had the edge there. the bigger story is in i think the more populus areas. one thing we can do here is we can look at where raphael warnock overperformed versus one month ago. overperforming. it's almost everywhere. he did better than almost everywhere. herschel walker outperforming what he did. hey, wait a minute, he outperformed his results from one month ago in a lot of places. he did. remember, two things. number one, there was a libertarian candidate. those votes went away and got
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absorbed in other places. the places where walker overperformed in rural areas with small populations where he underp underperforms, look at this. the population areas around atlanta, columbus, augusta and savannah. huge numbers of votes there. all we have to do is push into some of these counties. don, you know this from living there, fulton county, the most populus county. raphael warnock overnight with a margin of 53,000. d plus 53 there. you're dealing with hundreds of thousands of votes. 53/49. when you are talking about hundreds of thousands of votes, it adds up. >> you have the magic here, but how does this compare to other runoffs? there was a huge effort to get out the vote in georgia. >> you want to know how this compares to the runoff?
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look at all of these counties right now that were won. the exact same counties won by raphael warnock as two years ago. look at the margin. this was two years ago. 93,000. the margin this time, 95,000 am almost exactly the same. actually, you'll notice the turnout is down a little from two years ago in the runoff. raphael warnock won with 1.8 million votes and two years ago he won by 2.2 million. it was a presidential election year two years ago. even with a runoff than it is in a mid-term. >> this time around it's not a presidential election year. >> very big turnout. these areas around atlanta where the population has boomed over the last several years. >> this is the magic of john berman. this is why it's so important to do this. >> it's the magic.
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>> thank you, john berman. i appreciate it. caitlyn? >> as jonathan noted, one of the most expensive and bitterly fought races. let's bring in jeff zeleny and cnn national politics reporter, eva mckend. both of you were at these watch parties. you were at warnock's, you were at walker's. warnock came out. we saw in his closing message. what were your main take aways as you were speaking to his campaign about how they got this over the finish line? >> something that struck out to me about their strategy is the relentless message about bipartisanship. when we are in such polarizing times and where base supporters are not really trying to hear that, but he made that central to his re-election argument, that he is willing to work across the aisle. it was sort of a funny moment when he constantly talked about senator ted cruz and senator cruz came to georgia to stump
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for his opponent but really i think the campaign feels vindicated by this argument that they made and not only playing to the base but appealing to moderates and independents. >> they had a pretty positive closing message. i know republicans will say they had so much money that they spent here in this race. it was a ton of cash. >> he had the money to effectively characterize himself as a bridge builder but take a listen to how he spoke about this last night. >> were you voted for me or not, every single day. the bipartisan seat workout.
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i intend to do more mp. >> we are all-americans. >> that was the message we heard time and time again throughout the campaign. he is frustratingly disciplined. as a reporter on the trail trying to get him to make news, it seldom happened because this was an args gumt that he consistently revisited. >> what about the walker campaign? it was an amazing setting. >> it was at the end. there was some drama throughout the evening. they were neck in neck going back and forth. he won on election day. they knew they were in trouble because of the votes john berman was talking about.
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here in metro atlanta. he did not improve his performance in these areas. he did in some rural areas. the bigger take away, i think, is for months, mitch mcconnell has been talking about the quality of candidates. the quality of candidates here. when this race was not going to be determined by senate control, when they were no longer in the senate, they stopped sending money here and they stopped sending a lot of reinforcements here. in many cases some republicans were happy he was in the race at the end, that this wasn't a blowout but by and large the quality of candidates really mattered here and herschel walker in many ways was a flawed candidate. >> he did concede the race. came out for walker in a way. >> absolutely. by interviewing governor kemp, that was probably the biggest
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difference overall between november and yesterday. bringing kem's operation in the game. it kept us in the game. brian kemp and joe biden. herschel walker said this is a vote against joe biden. a check on his policies. those two things actually elevated walker against his other shortcomings. >> jeff, eva, we're going to stay with you. georgia's changed the power dynamic. we'll tell you what the democrats can do with a slim but powerful slim majority. >> it is the last of a long list of mid-term losses for trump backed and picked candidates. what's a lesson from both parties with 2024 fast approaching?
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i want to say thank you to my mother, who is here tonight. you'll see her in a little while. but she grew up in the 1950s in wake cross georgia picking somebody else's cotton and somebody else's tobacco, but tonight she helped pick her youngest son to be a united states senator. >> do not make me cry this early in the morning. >> right? right. >> i mean, we love our mommas
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and i ain't mad at him but amen to the momma. >> very powerful statement from the democrat raphael warnock after last night's senate runoff win in georgia. let's bring in natasha alpert. and john avlon. natasha, let me begin with you because there is that coupled with the history made, right? the first ever full-term elected black senator from the state of georgia in the united states where of the more than 2,000 people who have served in the u.s. senate, only 11 have been black. >> it's saying something. raphael warnock did it twice, right? >> yeah. >> this is not a fluke. >> did it more than twice. >> two generals -- >> again and again. >> can we give the man -- >> yes. >> that's right. >> you look at the watch parties. what a stark difference. racial diversity, difference in
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age at warnock's party and at herschel walker's party, it sort of represented the past. you did not see the rags cial diversity. >> this is a black man who is a superstar in the state of georgia, a clear indication that he did not represent the people of georgia, his own people in georgia and they actively -- >> you're talking about walker? >> walker. >> you cannot fool the black electiorate electorate. herschel walker's candidacy was insulting to so many people. they came out in strong numbers and said, you may pick this candidate saying he's not for us, but we know who is for us, we know who is not for us. >> that's a question this morning, john, right? were they voting the majority for warnock or against walker? because one thing that makes warnock's win even more remarkable is the fact that, you
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know, in november in the general election republicans won every statewide office other than senate in georgia. >> yes, but by like 7 points . herschel walker is the worst candidate and he was still close. when it came to the runoff, people had a hard time rallying around herschel walker. instead democrats will have a
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majority. >> natasha, you think about the history that surrounds this. he's in the pulpit, pastor of dr. martin luther king jr.'s church in georgia. there are two black men who are on the ticket. dr. king always said, you know, the content of their character, not the color of their skin. you had two black men and this was decided on the content. people were deciding the content of each candidate's character and they happened to be the same race. you cannot -- in a state, dr. king's home state -- >> a lot of people woke up with a renewed sense of hope along with relief. but raphael warnock talked about the blood soaked ballot. he grounded us in the fact that in american history people paid a price for us to have this moment. cheney, goodman, schwarner are the civil rights voting activists -- >> cheney, goodman, schwarner.
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>> diversity. him grounding us in that again points to the coalition you need to keep building this momentum in georgia. >> i'm wondering what this means for us, where this takes us because everyone has been -- i feel like we over index the maga folks. we have been over indexing the mag a maga folks. give them room. nobody wants to hear from them. if you look at all of the election, there were some who won. they're voting them out. >> swing voters in swing states, independent vote jers, people who make decisions. donald trump's 0-3 in georgia senate runoffs, right? >> right. >> that's a decisive rebuck of donald trump and the election enablers and the candidates he's put forward in georgia which is now trending purple. >> election deniers. >> herschel walker won his
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primary by almost 70% so it wasn't just donald trump hoisting a candidate, it was herschel walker's celebrity, name i.d. the power goes to the extremes. this is a problem the republicans have to decide. >> what does it mean for 2024? >> it's not too early to -- >> poppy with a boom. >> officially check your watches. >> like today, you know, begins 2024. >> he why, it does. look, donald trump is an enormously weakened candidate. he has had probably the worst month rolled out i've ever seen, let alone from a former president, but in a primary, in a republican primary as long as they are winner take all, if six people are running and he has a hard core 30, 35% he's going to take all of those votes. republicans need to deal with election reform.
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>> voter suppression. >> that moment when raphael warnock said in the midst of the celebration do not take the fact that there are long lines as an indicator. activists, give the flowers to the activists and organizers who got people out with a shortened window for early voting and all of these ridiculous rules that really didn't represent democracy, they represented roadblocks. >> that's what i said. >> no, no, go ahead. >> georgia is a red state but democrats have figured out how to overcome even the suppression or whatever it is they have there. >> i think georgia's not a red state. we have a lot of shifting -- >> oh, yeah, it's a red state. >> rural georgia sure as hells. >> the real story of politics, urban versus rural and suburban being the swing. they can win the cities, they can win the suburbs. it's the increasing diversity of the country. that urban rural divide is at the heart of our tifgss. don't underestimate them. >> the work of stacey abrams
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that didn't work out for her in the race for governor but look at the ground it laid. >> it's early in the morning and then there's the voting empowerment -- >> black voters matter. >> we're going to have her on a little bit later on. another group as well, i forget. i'm sorry, it's a little bit early and i stayed up watching the results. let's get black women -- >> the sacrifices they make, whether they directly benefit or not speaks to -- again, that's what democracy is about. they represent the best of democracy. that coalition, that represents america. >> natasha brown. what the heck. >> natasha, thank you. avlon, thank you. the january 6th committee has decided to make criminal referrals to the justice department. will that include donald trump? should state legislatures have absolute power over elections in america? that crucial question goes before the supreme court just hours from now.
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welcome back, everyone, to "cnn this morning." it is early. we have a lot coming up. the january 6th committee deciding to make criminal referrals to the department of justice and donald trump's name could be on the list. plus, two of the former president's companies convicted of criminal tax fraud. the company being convicted of that, we'll explain what that means on trump's businesses and
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the 2024 campaign. that's ahead. prince harry and meagan honored in new york city as the royal family braces for the release of a potentially explosive documentary. poppy, i actually saw them in person last night. >> i know you did. you always see the most important people at the most important moments. we can't wait to see that. we'll talk more about that tomorrow. a huge development in the january 6th investigation could give more bad news to president trump and his companies. >> we have not made a decision as to who but we have made the decision that criminal referrals will happen. >> that is significant. let's bring in jessica schneider for more in washington. that is news, they'll make a referral. the big, lingering question is will the former president be included in that referral to justice? >> that's the question that
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remains unanswered this morning. of course, poppy, the committee has been meeting for weeks. this has been the big topic of discussion. will they make criminal referrals. there's been the subcommittee meeting to evaluate whether or not to make referrals. constitutional lawyer jamie raskin. bennie thompson stressing they have come to a conclusion to make the criminal referrals. they're not saying who just yet. our team is told they are considering whether to make that criminal referral about the former president, donald trump. notably, guys, this criminal raefrl does not carry any legal weight. the justice department is not compelled to charge anyone after a congressional referral like this. it's largely symbolic if it happens. of course, it would still be significant. it could be any number of people. it could be the former president donald trump and any number of his allies or top aides who may have been involved around january 6th, guys. >> jessica, quick question for
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you. what's a time line here for all of this and what does it mean if there is a criminal referral and so on and so forth? >> reporter: it has to happen pretty quickly, don. once january hits and the republicans take over, it will be no longer. mid december is when they will make any of the criminal referrals to doj. we're really looking at a number of days here. it looks like they've made a decision that they're going to refer, we just don't know exactly who yet. >> as you said, the justice department can do it without a referral. >> yes. >> jessica schneider, thanks for the reporting from washington. this morning two trump organization companies have been found guilty on all 17 charges connected to a 15-year tax fraud scheme. they were accused of compensating top executives with off-the-books luxury percs to
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help them avoid paying taxes. wow. did you expect them to be found guilty on all 17 charges? >> this has happened over seven weeks. the main testimony came from allen weisselberg. he's still a paid employee of the company but he pleaded guilty and he had to show up and tell the truth. he explained to the jury how this scheme worked. prosecutors said, this was a win-win. the company paid less in taxes. these executives got all these perks and they paid less in their taxes. prosecutors brought up the former president multiple times. in the end they said that trump had sanctioned some of this tax fraud but he wasn't charged in this case. this is a very significant win for the manhattan district attorney's office. it's also a significant loss for the former president. he's facing multiple criminal investigations and he's
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embarking on a run for 2024. it gives his rivals some ammu ammunition. i think we have the sound of the district attorney soon after the verdict. he spoke to reporters. >> as the jury address indicated, this was a case about lying, cheating, false documents evading taxes for the individuals and the corporations. though have now been held accountable in the court of law right here in manhattan. >> the judge will sentence the trump organization next month. they could face as much as the statutory maximum of $1.6 million. it's not just that. they can have issues getting financed and conducting business. the real impact will be seen. >> we'll have alvin brag on to talk about it. i thought it was interesting.
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the defense counsel moved for a mistrial saying, look, you invoked trump himself too much in this. they relied on that. they're going to appeal. what do you make of that argument? is the trump organization going to be referring to this? >> you put too much on ump interest. the judge said he wasn't going to grant a mistrial. don't put so much weight on what they said about trump. use it to evaluate the credibility of some of these witnesses, like allen weisselberg. they said repeatedly weisselberg did it for weisselberg. they wanted to make the point he was a rogue employee, that no one else knew about it. of course other people knew about it and that's why they were bringing up trump. a lawyer for the trump corporation after the break said why would a corporation whose owner knew nothing about weisselberg's personal tax returns be personally prosecuted for which they had no visibility or oversight?
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this was unprecedented and legally incorrect. we will appeal the verdict. there are grounds that they're going to bring this appeal. this will take time to play out. the jury has spoken and guilty on all accounts. trump organization lawyers already plan to appeal askara said. the live interview straight ahead. next, how just one more seat can make a very big difference for democrats in the u.s. senate. >> huge. this year, save on gifts that mean more during thehe big holiday sale. only at kakay. ♪ okay eveveryone, our mission is complete balanced nutrition. together we support immune function. supply fuel for immune cells and sustain tissue health. ensure with enty-five vitamins and minerals, and ensure complete with thirty grams of protein.
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i'm kaitlyn collins back live in atlanta after last night's race here in gorm ga. the balance of power in the senate will soon be democrats 51, republicans 49. raphael warnock's win gives democrats a slim but potentially crucial majority. lauren fox is live in washington. lauren, you know, democratic senators can do a lot more with 51 instead of the 50-50 split we have seen over the last two years where you saw senator manchin and kyrsten sinema had a veto power over what it was going to look like. talk about what this means for democrats. >> yeah, kaitlyn. it's one vote and yet it is so consequential. the first way it's consequential is dealing with how the
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committees have been structured for the last few years. they have been evenly divided. every time they wanted to advance a nominee that was controversial, democrats had to use this very long floor process to get nominees through the senate. now they're going to be able to move more quickly in committee. they also had to get signoff from republicans to issue a subpoena. now they can pursue investigations that they want to pursue without getting the signoff. that's significant. it's also significant for how chuck schumer can operate. the whole world has revolved around manchin and sinema. he had to make sure he had every single member on board. now he could lose one of them and still advance legislation and that's important because obviously there were so many heartburns, so many heart aches when it came to things like build back better over the past two years, kaitlyn. >> manchin says he's happy not
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to be that deciding vote. we'll see how that plays out. i think a question how this plays out is how this goes to control of both chambers. republicans have a slim majority come january. what does that look like in terms of what's happening on the senate side? >> schumer gained a vote, but he also lost the possibility to work with nancy pelosi and the house of representatives to move his agenda more quickly. so what this means is that if kevin mccarthy becomes the speaker, we should note he's still fighting for the votes, he's going to have to contend with the right flank of his conference and that will make it more of a headache. a divided congress is always more difficult even if they had the majority in the senate. he gets an extra vote in the senate. he can move forward maybe quickly there and for nominations it's a huge, huge
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head wind going into the next year, kaitlyn. >> lauren fox, thank you for that. welcome back. we're so glad to have your insight back especially on "cnn this morning." >> thank you. joining us from atlanta is lisa rayan. she's with wabe. she's a long-time atlanta journalist who has covered politics for 20 years. who better to discuss and break down what happened last night. lisa, good morning. thank you for joining us. >> good morning. >> i want to start with -- i'm sure you were up late last night as most of the reporters here in atlanta were. le what stood out to you as you saw warnock defeat walker in this race? >> oh, my goodness. once the polls closed, the numbers started to trickle in rather quickly, but by 8 p.m. we knew that the polling was pretty on target and saying this was going to be a neck-in-neck race. the seesawing that took place over the next two to three hours
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was just incredible to watch. walker up 30,000, then down 10,000. it just went up and down, up and down all night. the changing point was that when a county in middle georgia that normally goes republican went blue for warnock, that changed his momentum throughout the course of the evening, but our reporters, they were stationed at the headquarters and they reported about the anxiousness of both candidates, just how they weren't sure how it was going to turn at one point, even though both went in with a whole lot of confidence going into yesterday's election. so what stood out is how dead on the polling was and just how close this race really was until the very end. >> yeah. still very close as they're watching it. we talked a lot about what kemp's get out the vote asperatus did f-- asperatus did.
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what did you see in that last night? >> well, what i saw was a ground game that worked for the democrats. le raphael warnock really pounded the pavement and reached out to all bases, asian-americans, hispanics, young people, those in the military, seniors. his ground game really outsourced and outpaced that of herschel walker. what i did notice in the past few days is that herschel walker was a little more vocal. he was really trying to get out and meet people. he went be to a diner yesterday morning on election day for a meet and greet. but i think it was too little too late for the walker campaign. >> part of that was kemp trying to help them as well. there were voters, 200,000
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voters voted for the republican governor and did not vote for walker. i spoke to one of them who changed his mind, did go vote for walker. i want you to listen to what motivated him. >> okay. >> was it difficult for you to vote for herschel walker? >> it was. i have to look at the ladies in my family with a straight face and say that i voted for walker. >> what did they think? >> they -- they have their own opinions but, you know, they respect mine but there were a few shakes of the head. >> how much did governor kemp coming out on the campaign trail for him factor into your decision? >> if he had not come out, it would have factored into it. >> you wouldn't have voted for him? >> i might not have. >> what did you make of that, lisa? >> well, you know, we thought governor kemp doing that television ad for walker was really going to change the game for him because that was a
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really big deal. you remember governor kemp running for re-election kind of distance himself from herschel walker because of his ties to former president trump so when he did that commercial it was like a wow factor and thought it was really going to change be the game for herschel walker. but of that 200,000, the magic number you're talking about that voted for governor kemp, a large portion of that was women in the suburbs who were really on the fence and disturbed by the domestic violence allegations and raphael warnock honed in on them. he really went to work and tried to reach that base and some of that turned in his favor last night. >> yeah. clearly. lisa, thank you so much. >> you're welcome. all right, harry and meghan were honored in new york as the rest of the royal family is bracing for what might be revealed in the new documentary
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so here we go. new this morning, tens of thousands of people in moore county, north carolina, remain in the dark, but that could change by the end of the day. gunfire damage to two substations in an attack officials called deliberate. the power company hoping those affected could soon see some relief. >> we're down to about 35,000 customers who are without power currently. the good news is we have communicated up to this point we
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would expect the final customers to be back sometime later on thursday. we have made very good progress today and are moving that estimate up to wednesday night just before midnight. >> joining us now, "cnn be this morning" from moore county, north carolina, is our law enforcement correspondent whitney wild. the latest on the investigation. any word on a motive? >> reporter: not yet, don. this has been extremely difficult and frustrating for law enforcement. they're not able to nail down a motive at this point and, further, don, at this point they're reluctant to release very much information only that they are relying on tips from the public to help drive this investigation. again, just to recap what they do know is somebody shot at these two substations that are a few miles apart in moore county. that happened saturday night. ever since then this area has been plunged into darkness although over the last few hours, the last 12 hours or so thousands and thousands of residents have seen their power
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come back on including the neighborhood surrounding this here in carthage, north carolina. >> the american red cross has set up shelters where people can get out of the cold, take warm showers. what are people you've spoke to saying? >> reporter: this has been a very long few days here in moore county, north carolina. here's what two people told us who were receiving services at one of the local shelters. >> i have a 1-year-old so it's very hectic. no lights. no power. can't really do nothing. the kid's scared of the dark. >> we got home, no power, anything. we chose to come here because we feel like it's safer. it's different. it's kind of hard to sleep, you know, but at the end of the day i would rather be somewhere where it's warm, where we have food, where we're taken care of than to be somewhere where it's freezing cold and not knowing or
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wondering if, you know, through your sleep you're going to go into an epileptic shock from being so cold, you know? >> reporter: so challenging. here in moore county the temperatures are ticking up. as you said, the power's supposed to come back on this evening. sometime around midnight at the very latest. that's much earlier than was originally anticipated. the power company didn't think they could get everyone restored until thursday. it sounds like the nightmare will soon be over. the people have spoken. those were reverend raphael warnock's words to the people in the senate runoff. what his victory means to georgia and the nation. that's straight ahead. pport immune function. supply fuel for immune cells and sustain tissue health. ensure with h twenty-five vitamins and minerals, and ensure complete with thirty grams of proteinin.
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♪ ♪ what's that song called? >> i don't know the song. >> isn't it called "all we do is win"? >> all i ever do is win win win. here's the interesting part. it looked like a rave. it was amazing. lit as they say. good morning, everyone. that was the crowd at senator raphael warnock's headquarters singing and cheering as democrats secured a 51st senate seat. so where in the world is kaitlan collins? there
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