right wing extremism isn't just a threat here in the u.s., it's a global problem. in germany, 25 people were arrested today for allegedly attempting to overthrow the government. officials say the group was inspired by qanon ideology and

conspiracy theories. >> and in north carolina, sources tell cnn, investigators are zeroing in on extremism as a possible motive in the attack on that electoral trickle substations that left more than 40,000 people without power. law enforcement sources say the people have recovered nearly two dozen shell casings from a high powered rifle. at the scene. let's bring in cnn anchor john berman, we also have max boot here senior fellow at the council of foreign relations and cnn political commentator max urban. this isn't just a u.s. cancer that we obviously feel here, the extremism. why is it worldwide? what's happened? what has made the globe go crazy with extremism? >> well, there certainly a lot of factors, including globalization, including changes in the information economy, including immigration. i think the biggest thing, alison, is simply the spread of social media. i was really struck by the fact that these conspirators in germany, one of the things that they were --

that got them all worked up was qanon. i remember the good old days, when america was exporting elvis presley in blue jeans and the declaration of independence. now, we're also exploiting this internet insanity. >> and we invented qanon. >> we invented it, but it's now spreading around the world. and you see for example, now, elon musk is allowing neo-nazis and all sorts of nuts on twitter. it's gonna spread even more rapidly. this is a real danger. we're all part of it a single if information ecosystem around the world. and there's a lot of craziness out there which can inspire people to violence, as we saw, by the way, the guy who attacked paul pelosi, he was also inspired by qanon. this is a very dangerous conspiracy theory, and it's just one of many which is circulating out there in social media. >> there is the theory, and then there's the imagery. january 6th, for example, the idea of violence. the idea of people watching the possibility of being able to infiltrate in some way. to take over and sometimes have the world captivated by what

you're doing. there is this sort of complimentary notion here, john, between what is being espoused online and what you're seeing in the u.s. is now part of that example in the worst way. >> oh, yeah. you can't sit here in the u.s. and say what happened in germany in seats disconnected from what's going on here now. what they're talking about there was some kind of plot to take over the parliament. excuse me? we had thousands of people run into the u.s. capitol two years ago. there were plans to attack the electricity grid in germany. what happened this week in the united states? and i'll even take it one step further, which concerns you more, having prints heinrich the 13th of royce connected to whatever uprising was being planned there? or a former president of the united states calling for the termination of the u.s. constitution? you could make a case that what's happened here in some ways is even more serious than what's happened over there. i just want to say, and allison i disagreed over this back before she left me, i know it's

easy -- there's a tendency to blame social media for the rise of extremism. but extremism has existed for a long time before social media. the germans managed extremism quite well without social media. at one point. it's not necessary for this to spread. the ideas exist and are fueled by people who are making choices, in some cases, evil choices. >> john, do what do you think is at the root of? it why are there times when extremism blossoms? if it's not social media? ? it -- >> i think is an inflow historically, that has to do with economic hardship and the pandemic i think is a key instigator of that. i think there's a concerted effort among some, in the political sphere, in the u.s. and other places, to try and undermine systems now, and there's a political expediency by some in the political system to guam on to that, or try to tap into it. >> or, it comes out of the shadows when the leadership emboldens them to say, it's

okay. it's that scene from wizard of oz. you can come out now, you can come out now. it's not the evil any longer. you can come out now, you can now have these viewpoints in there. >> i was laughing about the movie reference again. >> it's a of a movie, david urban. >> i agree, social medias become much smaller. it really has shrunk. you ask about the cycles, i was thinking about this before the show and the scratch the surface a little bit. you think the weather underground in the 70s. there's a real movement, they bombed buildings. they bombed the u.s. capital. they're trying to overthrow the u.s. government. that didn't spread as wildly and as far, because we didn't have the internet back in the 70s. listen, make no mistake about it, that ebbs and flows. the black panther movement, there were lots of movements in the 70s because of a perception of inequality in america. i think that's what's happening now, just a very different version, people feel there's inequality in america in some ways. that gives rise to these different groups. look, the klan's been route for

a while. the klan is the base of a lot of this white nationalist ideology. so, it's not new. none of us really knew. it's just recycled overt over, and spread quicker because of the internet. >> it definitely goes through phases and as david was saying, in the 60s and 70s, you had a lot of left wing terrorism, the -- underground, -- many other groups around the world. then of course, in more recent decades, around the year 2000, you saw the rise of islamic terrorism. we saw this about 20 years of islamist terrorism. now in the last few years, you're really seeing the rise of right-wing terrorism. that is now the main threat in the united states and in many other countries in the west. that's fueled by some of these same factors of social media, but also the fact that there is a leadership, there is a network out there, and of course, these hatreds were not invented today with the rise of social media. but social media does allow them to disseminate much more rapidly. this is kind of the moment of right-wing political violence. and that we have to deal with right now.

>> second gentleman, doug -- is attempting to do that, he is holding basically a summit, i guess, about antisemitism. here's what he has to say. >> there's an epidemic of hate, facing our country. we're seeing a rapid rise in antisemitic rhetoric and acts. let me be clear, words matter. people are no longer saying the quiet part out loud, they are literally screaming them. judy-ism isn't defined by how much you go to temple or how often you celebrate traditions. it's who we are as a people. it's our identity. it's my identity. and i'm in pain right now. >> interesting john, to see him use his role like this. >> yeah, that was a big moment, i think, for the second gentleman to come out. it's a big moment, i think, for a lot of american jews who are witnessing what's going on

right now, many of whom are completely secular and not religious in any way. he talked about this, you have to go to temple to notice what's happening right now, because it's staring you right in the face. it's so glaring. in so loud and i think one of the things that i think it's important to remember here, the phrase antisemitism sometimes sanitizes what's happening. in a lot of people who are at this conference talking about this have used phrases like this before, dr. rachel fisher studies this says, which is called for what it is, which is jew hatred. if we refer to this as jew hatred instead of antisemitism, people might stand up straight or sit up straight a little bit and listen more. it's not some theoretical thing. because the things that are being spouted in public by people with huge megaphones right now, are simply appalling. >> i'd even say it, it take it even more fine look at this, college campuses today, in america, go look at berkeley. big movement, scientists, bts

movement is run amok on college campuses. and tolerance, for folks who want to support the state of israel, is not even allowed on college campuses. you can even have that discussion. when it begins their, kids grew up, they learned what they learned in college and it needs to be addressed in college levels and in the government and called out, i applaud the first down for doing that, and he should be calling for what it is. >> there's no question there's antisemitism on both the left in the right, i like to say as a jew myself, i feel like jews bring the world together. we have antisemitism on both sides. i think there is the difference here, that well there is antisemitism on the left, the right wing variety is the one that usually turns to violence in the united states, like the gunman who invaded the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh, for example, that's a different level of threat from people who are demonizing the state of israel, which is also a problem, but it's a different kind of problem. >> max, don't you believe they one feeds into the other, and

one allows another to propagate? you believe on college campuses you should be from prohibited priming zionist organizations and berkeley? don't you think that allows other folks to flourish? >> no, of course, you should not be prohibiting zionist organizations. >> gentlemen, thank you. thank you very much. and, as democracy is facing threats from extremist at home and abroad, there's a case before the supreme court that we need to talk about. it could reshape how elections work in this country. work in this country. prilosec otc reduces excess acid for 24 hours, blocking heartburn before it stararts. one pill a day. 24 h hours. zero heartburn.

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what does the constitution? say >> that's an important artery. we'd like me to do a dramatic reading? >> the times places and manner of holding elections for senators and representatives shelby prescribed in each state by the legislature thereof. >> so, therein lies the rub. a little thing called the constitution, which everybody is in a kerfuffle about donald trump getting rid of, now we're talking about ripping -- >> it's also about what the bigger issue, checks and balances. the idea of being up to make sure that what a legislative act does is not gonna run afoul

of other constitutional law, and we want, and of course, the courts interestingly enough, it seems as though they were not buying into the theory that you're talking about, the surprising ali, why take this case, it was obscure a few years ago, now, this now is the platform of the supreme court. >> this theory goes back a ways. this has been a pet project of legal conservatives. legitimate thought experiment, it started out as, but now it's coming into fruition. there's a numbers game here. you need for justices to take a case, of course you need five former jordy, they did get the four votes, but the way it played out yesterday, and the arguments are today earlier today, was really interesting. because if the three liberal justices, you know where they're going. you have gorsuch, alito and thomas. they want the whole just a legislature. the swing here, the kavanaugh, roberts and coney barrett. >> let's listen to her, let's listen to justice amy coney barrett and some of the questions she was asked about. >> i was gonna ask, as your

formalistic test just trying to deal with the president or are you reading that in the constitution itself? because you have a problem with explaining why these procedural limitations are okay, but summertime limitations are not. >> this is the one you want, none of that made any sense. >> i'm in a translated. i'm gonna translate. it means, do we bring common sense into play, or do we just say, the constitution says it's a legislator, doesn't legislator also mean they can be checked by the other branches? that's the biggest picture view of what's going on here. why it's important. because, the constitution, it turns out, is swell. they did a really nice job. great job, guys. it was written a long time ago. and they don't cover everything, and they leave a lot of room for interpretation. but to david's point, david, if i asked you, can you show me where in the constitution it says that we have to hold elections for people to choose the president of the united states? it doesn't. there's nowhere that guarantees the right of human beings in the united states to vote for

president. it's not in the constitution. but we've come to accept presidential elections as part of it. which is what amy coney barrett is getting at right there. or maybe, you need a little bit of both here, and not just what's in these actual -- >> that's interesting, you heard her swinging -- >> very careful with how i answer that, next question. >> i think anyone who can use the word swell as cool as you did just now, deserve the last word. but i give it to you, elie. >> you can see mistakes here. if it's the case that state legislators can just do whatever they can, that changes everything about how we choose our electors. >> that's where the north carolina republicans are hoping for. >> -- gentlemen, thank you. now to this, five women coming forward this week and filing a lawsuit against bill cosby, accusing him of sexual assault and abuse from decades ago. we're gonna speak to their lawyer about how this can work, what evidence they have, and

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always stated and now america sees, that this isn't about justice for victims of alleged sexual assault, it's all about money. we believe that the courts, as well as the court of public opinion, will follow the rules and law and believe mr. cosby of these alleged accusations, mr. cosby continues to vehemently denied all allegations waged against him and look forward to defending himself in court. joining us now is jordan merson, he's a lawyer representing the five women accusing cosby. jordan, thank you so much for being here. so, i understand that this new law in new york suddenly gives these women the opportunity to try to hold bill cosby accountable for what they say he did in sexually assaulting them. but some of their accusations go back decades. three of the women's cases go back to the 19 80s, one goes back to the 1960s. how do you plan to present evidence to prove your case. >> thanks for having me.

yeah, i mean, that the adult survivors act -- followed on the heels of the child victims act, which is a new york law that allowed victims of child sexual abuse to sue as recently as a year or two ago. as a result of sexual abuse that took place many decades ago. so, we have quite a bit of experience in litigating cases for events that took place years ago. and, you know, we look forward to prosecuting these cases. >> i hear your saying about the children sect act that makes sense, is it fair to say that there is no physical evidence and that you will be basing it on what? on what these women told other people contemporaneously? how -- it must be challenging if you're talking about something that happened in the 1960s, with peoples memories as well as some people not being around. >> well, i think you'd be surprised. first of all, these women have

all come forward, their testimony is evidence. there have been prior cases filed against mr. cosby, some of his prior statements will be evidence against him. there are, you know, there's a whole discovery process that we will go through and be requesting documentary evidence as well as verbal evidence in the form of deposition testimony. so, you know, we have five women coming forward who have filed lawsuits, and you also have as you're well aware, a lot of other women who have come forward and made similar allegations against mr. cosby. so, we think there's a lot of evidence in this case. >> oh yeah, cnn knows of 50, five o, women who have come forward to make very, very similar accusations. these women did not know each other, most of them, but they have eerily similar stories about what they say bill cosby did.

also, interestingly jordan, you're not just doing bill cosby, you're suing nbc as well as basically the studios, that produced the cosby show. here's what you say in the complaint. defendants nbc universal media, llc, kaufmann astoria studios and that carson warner company condoned and encouraged bill cosby sexual abuse assault and or battery of women, including on company promises, by doing nothing to stop it, despite knowledge of his serial sexual abuse of women and by providing bill cosby with staff, and facilities to groom and sexually abused women. so, jordan, how did this work? how did it work that these studios at nbc aided in this? >> well, as set forth in the complaint, and we go into pretty explicit detail, new york state is a notice pleading, notice pleading requirement. and we had very specific facts in the complaint, that establish what we know at this point, even without the benefit of discovery.

when someone like frank scottie comes forward, and provided interviews in a statement about what occurred during the cosby show. so, we also have, again, what are clients described to us as what took place on the cosby show. this was, as we alleging the complaint, going on right in front of their eyes. where mr. cosby would have these women in his dressing room and, you know, at least one of our clients repeated and made clear, as we say in the complaint, did not want to go. and no one helped or. >> you just heard bill cosby's lawyer say this is not about sexual salt, this is all about money. what's your response? >> well, i mean, it's an unfortunate comment by his side. not unexpected. these women all want justice. the adult survivors act gives them the opportunity to pursue their claims in court.

and there are all looking for their day in court. they're looking forward, i mean, yesterday, when we filed a lawsuit, was a bit of sweet day for them all. some ahead waited a very long time to be able to pursue justice. they now have that opportunity. so, we disagree with the statements made by mr. cosby side. and we need to look forward to proceeding with this case in court. >> thank you very much for your time, we really appreciate talking to you. >> thank you for having me. >> so fascinating, alison, just the idea of delayed reporting more broadly, and how it's judged. the wind now, the motivations, the people assigned to it -- >> this new laws just changing everything. >> it is. >> they did have never opportunity before this new law. it was inconceivable, as we all remember, there was a court of public opinion about the fact that it was bill cosby, and there's a court of law that says you can, elliott we have to bring you in here, we'll

bring in cnn correspondent jean casarez is here, and back with elie honig and -- as well. so important, this is just gonna unpack a little bit for us. this law as to why this is not go against some of the issues that allison raised. the idea of due process considerations, statute of limitations. why can this be possible? >> the general idea of a statute of limitations, in criminal or civil law, here we're talking civil side, is that you'll never certain man of time in which to bring a lawsuit. interest of fairness, interest a finality. but this has been carved out by new york state as an exception. and the reason is exactly what you are talking about, alison, i think the lawyers is talking about, it is so difficult for survivors, victims of sexual assault, and violence, to come forward. even now. we've got much better at this now. but even now, it's extraordinarily difficult now. put yourself back in the minds and in the 80s and 70s, i'm certainly old have to remember how bill cosby was regarded back then. he had a 100% popular approval rating.

and imagine being a young woman back then. having this alleged incident happen. it's virtually unthinkable to come forward. so, the new york state legislature said, we're gonna give this brief window, where you can revive these old cases, but alice as allison was asking the lawyer, it's more difficult. it's really, really hard to prove allegations that go back to the 80s or the 60s. >> just be clear, this is not bill cosby specific, -- you've reported extensively, gene on, this. tell us what you learned. >> i want to say one thing before we get into cosby, which is the whole focus of this. but i was just in the courtroom for kevin spacey's civil case, here in new york, federal court. decades old, it was a young actor at the time that said he was molested by kevin spacey. kevin spacey was acquitted but i saw firsthand, how memories fade, witnesses can't be found, evidence is not there. even the accuser talked about a separate bedroom, a separate living room, and then the defense gets out the floor plan of kevin spacey's apartment,

there was no separate bedroom. and he was acquitted. the heart and soul of this law is wonderful, but there are limitations that people have to realize. on to bill cosby, alison, you and i and cnn we have been covering bill cosby and these suits for years. it really all, i think, came to the forefront in 2005. when andrea -- a former temple university employee, came forward to law enforcement, saying, bill cosby molested me. sexually assaulted me. in his home. there was a criminal investigation, -- was the prosecutor, he found there was insufficient evidence and so, no criminal charges were found at all. it really was dormant, there was a civil case, that she brought. she got over $3 million from bill cosby, it became public later on. but then in 2014 in 2015, women just started --

>> it was like a tidal wave. one after the other. it >> was because of the comedian hannibal burris, remember? he talked about bill cosby. then it was just everywhere. little did we know, that criminal investigation in montgomery county pennsylvania was resurrected at that time. and i'm in the newsroom at cnn in december 2015, we hear bill cosby is going to charged with felonies involving sexual assault, we got to montgomery county, that side of philadelphia. i remember him walking into the courtroom, the bill cosby that we know, to face three charges of felony indecent assault. there was a trial, it was a mistrial. they re-tried it again, the next year, which would've been 2018, he was convicted of all counts. but there was a caveat here, it was a very big issue, and i have to bring this up because -- in a pre-trial hearing had taken the stand saying, i made a promise to bill cosby, i would never prosecute him.

well, he didn't tell any of his fellow prosecutors in the office there was nothing in writing. there was -- he told one defense attorney and he was deceased at that point. still, it got overturned. >> because of that, because he made that promise, and bill cosby had relied on that promise in top in a deposition with the civil suit. i will bring you in here, as to your point, this was bill cosby. just the idea, this is, this was bill cosby. you have followed this, and just the idea of the gravitas of that moment and what this would be like. >> well, i was the editor in chief and ebony magazine at the time. and we did a really confrontational cover, where we had the cosby show on the cover. underneath shattered glass. and at that point in time, in 2015, people were really wrestling with this idea of to bill cosby's. they just couldn't square it.

but 50, some say 60, 62 women later, i think there's no question that there is something that must be squared. i'm no legal expert at all, but the thing that i can say, regardless of the direction that this lawsuit goes in, is that speaking of heart and soul, every time women are able to come forth, every time a new batch of women are empowered and not just in the cosby case, but in any case where you're talking about a powerful man, abusing or allegedly abusing women, when they feel empowered, when they find their voice, when they find their calls their 12 month window that says, girl, now. it opens up the door for god knows how many other women to tell their stories. to actually maybe close the gap and how long it takes to report. because you're talking about stories of assault that happened in the 60s, 70s, 80s. things happen in 2022 and women don't report.

right? so the idea that this is happening, i think, is a net positive. no matter how it ends. >> agreed. for all the women we've spoken to, it was empowering for them. and in many ways, healing, to be all the talk about it. and your cover, ebony, it was headed ahead of its time. that is such a powerful cover. as you said, people are wrestling with the image of are we ready to abandon bill cosby? now, people see him so differently. >> yeah. thank you so much for that. >> thank you so much. stay with us, up next, two women are suing apple, alleging they are exes are using the companies airtags to stop them? and harass them. we'll discuss the merits of the case, next. case, next. is that the new iphone? yup, i just got the new iphone 14 with its amazing camera atat t-mobile. wow! at t-mobile, get four iphone 14s on us. and 4 new lines fofor $25 bucks a line. i've always had trouble falling asleep and staying asleep, you know, insomnia.

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now, two women have filed a class action suit against apple, alleging the company's air tags are dangerous products that can be used by stalkers. apple declined to comment on the lawsuit tonight, but referred us to a statement from february on steps they've taken to avoid unwanted tracking with their tax. john berman, elie honig and -- are all back with us. john, it's just time to get rid of all technology? united had this debate before, and i don't like it. i don't like that this thing is tracking me at all times, i don't like that an air tag is probably on me somewhere right

now, i don't think any of it. okay? >> i'm glad we had this top. >> me too. >> so, i don't want to make of the story. the washington post did a really interesting take on this, and it went to how these airtags are being used to track people, and in the case -- it's like watching a spy tv show for the 1970s, where people put like a bug, a tracker, on your vehicle. you drop an air tag in someone's bag or personal bar, and then you can follow them. >> their pockets, their clothing, it's awful. >> i get it. i get why that creepy and i get why that's a concern. but the flip side of that is, we are really talking about is a creep. you're talking about a creepy behavior and you start to wonder, will this person find a way, the post as a version of it where they put an air tag on someone's wheel will of their car with duct tape, wait a second here, is that really about the air tag? or is this about a stalker here? and i'm not quite sure what

apples liability exactly is in all of this. >> i'm dubious about the lawsuit. first things first, the bad guy is the stalker. if you do that, you're very likely committing a crime, you could be sued, what's the problem of suing a stalker? they have no money. so what people do? they look for apple, which has all the money in the world. and the thing is, any technology can be used for evil. virtually anything. >> thank you elie. >> to allison's point, the question really is, is this device designed or did apple turn a blind eye towards knowing that it was being misused in some way. maybe there will be evidence of that in the discovery, but my instinct is, the strikes me as well intended devices, you can track your phone, maybe track your kids -- >> i do track my kids. >> i know you do. -- >> i had a bad experience, i one day watching was my kids -- home from school. -- >> you are tracking them remotely. >> in one airtag went one

direction, and other the other. i was like wait a second, go get my kids. i cannot understand why they weren't going, i had my husband go out, i'm gonna call the police. it turned out a teacher had found and they are taken put them in different kids bags. but laura coats getting ready to do something. to make sure. >> i think the air tags are gonna be used by two groups. moms and stalkers. >> i'm a stalking mom. >> laura coats, stalker. >> it's pretty obvious. i don't see how we're gonna get around the bad that's gonna come out of this. technically, you can track someone out without an air tag. we don't need it. >> let's do away with it. right? >> by the same token, here's the thing, when we say it's going to happen anyway so forget about it, there are things companies all out to be able to do, if you have the technology to try and allow to happen.

in terms of having the actual device, safeguards can be put in place, and oftentimes we have in the law the ability to take some remedial measures to ensure the safety -- doesn't have to be inevitable. by the same token, the larger question is this balance between the good of technology and the usefulness and the ills of it. social media is an example. even with the post-dobbs decision you have women who are saying, all right ladies, because we don't know how they're gonna prosecute behavior, you know how this gonna track since you have a dimensional stressful cycle or had ovulating, it could be used against you. with technology used again, against women. >> -- in terms of how apple is responsible here. i'm no lawyer norah biotech designer. it does seem to me, that apple could design something they haven't already, where you could find out within ten feet of where you're standing, there is one of these tags. you know -- >> they've got something like

that. >> and that's what they have, and that seems to be a way around this. >> well, let's see. >> let's hope. women, again, will be the ones to -- >> how do you know if somebody 's put a tag into your purse. >> you can detect, it if your phone can detect any tag, even someone else's tag, if it's around you. >> -- alison, if your screen says it all the time, you must be -- >> so, we all have tags. and let's say, all of us have tags, all 9 million new yorkers. every time you're somewhere, you're thing is beeping to say, hey, i'm not a tech designer. but i was trying. >> well, i mean, honestly, apple has to answer to it though. it's a concern. and people have a lot of misgivings about what technology really looks like. >> i'm not sure it helped your mental health to have you see

what you saw with your kids not going in the right direction. >> how much does it help you in general to know where they are? >> for me, a lot, let's not get into my neuroses and what makes me feel better. >> we've only got 45 seconds. >> in reality, i'm always grappling with that boundary test as a mom. i don't have my kids have phones, i let them have the watch so i can get to them, honestly, you have the era of unfortunately of shootings. and i want my kids to go to reach me during the day if they need to. and the idea of just thinking about how we make choices all the time as women, as people, in this society, about how to keep ourselves safe. i think we don't think enough about the things that are supposed to keep us helped. >> all right, we'll consider yourself now warned. not sure we're gonna do about it, but consider yourself warned. thank you guys, all, news you can't use. >> exactly right. >> we'll be right back.

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