right wing extremism is a global problem. in germany. people were arrested for attempting to overthrow the government. they were inspired by qanon ideology and conspiracy theories. >> and in north carolina, investigators are zeroing in on extremism as the possible reason as the attack on the

substations. police recovered nearly two dozen shell casings from a high powered rifle. at the scene. let's bring in cnn anchor john burrman and we have max boot here and david urban. max, so this is not just a u.s. cancer. though, we obviously feel it here. the extremism. why is it worldwide? what has happened? what has made the globe go crazy with extremism? >> there are certainly a lot of factors including globalization and changes in the information economy. the biggest thing is the spread of social media. i was struck by the fact that the conspirators in germany, one thing that got them all worked up was qanon. i remember the good old days when america was exporting elvis presley and blue jeans and the declaration of independence. now we are exporting this

internet insanity. >> and we invented qanon. >> yes. and elon musk is allowing neo- nazis and all sorts of nuts onto twitter. this is a real problem. the guy who attacked paul pelosi was also inspired by qanon. this is just one theory circulating out there. >> there is the theory and then the imagery. january 6th. the idea of violence. the idea of people watching that there is a possibility of infiltrating in some way. and having the world captivated by what you are doing. there is this notion here between what is being expressed online and then what you are seeing in the u.s. now part of that example in the worst way. >> oh yeah. i mean, you can't sit here in the u.s. and see what happened

in germany and think it is somehow disconnected from what is going on here now. they were talking about a plot to take over the parliament. there were plans to attack the electricity grid in germany. what happened this week in the united states? which concerns you more? having the prince of royce connected to whatever uprisings was planned there or a former president of the united states calling for the termination of the u.s. constitution? you can make the case that what is happening here is more serious. and allison and i disagreed with this before she left me. i know it is easy. there is a tendency to blame social media for the rise of extremism but extremism has

existed a long time. they managed without social media. it is not necessary for this to spread. the ideas exist and are fueled by people who are making choices. in some cases evil choices. >> what do you think is at the root of it? why are there times when extremism blossoms? >> that's a great question. i think there is an ebb and flow historically. i think part of it has to do with economic hardship. the pandemic i think is a key instigator of that. there is a concerned effort in the u.s. and other places to try to undermine systems now and there is a political expediency by some in the political system to glom onto that. >> or it comes out of the shadows when the leadership emboldens them to say it's okay. like that scene from the wizard of oz. you can come out now. it is not that evil any longer. you can now have these viewpoints. >> i'm laughing about the movie

reference again. >> it's a great movie. >> i agree. social media in the world has become much smaller. we ask about the cycles. just scratched the surface a little bit. you think about the weather underground in the 70s . there is a real movement. they were trying to overthrow the u.s. government. that did not spread as wildly and as far because we didn't have internet in the 70s but ebbs and flows. the black panther movement. lots of movements in the 70s because of the perception of inequality in america. and i think maybe that is what is happening now. just a different version, people feel there is inequality in america and that gives rise to the different groups. look, the klan has been around for the while. the base of a lot of this white nationalist ideology. so it is not new. it is just recycled over and over and spread quicker because of the internet. >> it goes through phases. in the 60s and the 70s you

had a lot of left wing terrorism. the weather underground. many groups around the world. in more recent decades, around the year 2000, you saw the rise of islamist terrorism. now, in the last two years you are seeing the rise of right wing terrorism. that is the main threat in the united states. and in many other countries in the west. that is fueled by some of the same factors of social media. and the fact there is a leadership. a network out there. social media allows them to disseminate much more rapidly. this is the era of white ring political violence. >> the second gentleman is attempting to do that. so, he is holding basically a summit about anti-semitism. here is what he has to say. >> there is an epidemic of hate

facing our country. we are seeing a rapid rise in antisemitic rhetoric and acts. let me be clear. words matter. people are no longer saying the quiet parts out loud. they are screaming them. judaism is not defined by how much you go to temple or how often you celebrate traditions. it is who we are as a people. it is our identity. my identity. i'm in pain right now. >> interesting, john, to see him use his role like this. >> yeah. there was a big moment i think. it is a big moment for a lot of american jews. many are secular and not religious in anyway. you don't have to go to temple to notice what is happening because it is staring you right in the face.

it is so glaring and loud. one of the thing that's is important to remember here, the phrase anti-semitism sometimes sanitizes what is happening. there is dr. rachel fish who says we should just refer to it for what it is. jew hatred. people might sit up straight a little bit and listen more. it is not some theoretical thing. the things spouted in public by people with huge megaphones right now are simply appalling. >> to take a final look at this, college campuses. look at berkeley. big movement. zionists. it has run amok on college campuses and tolerance for folks who want to support the state of israel is not allowed on college campuses. you cannot have that discussion. when it begins there, kids grow

up. they learn what they learned at college. i applaud the first gentleman for doing it. it needs to be called out for what it is. >> there is anti-semitism on the left and the right. i want to say as a jew myself, jews bring the world together. we have anti-semitism on both sides but there is a difference here that while there is anti- semitism on the left, the right wing is the one that usually turns to violence. in the united states. like the gunman who invaded the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh. that is a different level of threat from people who are demonizing the state of israel. which is also a problem. >> you believe on college campuses, we should be prohibited from having zionist organizations at berkeley? don't you think that allows other folks to flourish? >> of course. you should obviously not be

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courts should factor in. so, the state legislature relying on the controversial independent state legislature theory has trump supporters cited during the 2020 election and challenges. the liberal justices warning of consequences if there are no checks on the state legislature. >> this is a proposal that gets rid of the normal checks and balances. legislators we all know have their own self-interest. nay want to get reelected. and so, there are countless times when they have incentives to press votes. >> okay, so we are back with john burman and ellie and david. ellie, make sense of all of this. >> we will make independent state legislature theory interesting. it is important. and it is one of the great

generators of absurd hypotheticals. >> this is like the dancing girls coming in holding up signs. that is probably the only way to make it interesting. the constitution essentially says it is up to each state's legislature to decide how they are going to run their elections. so, the question now is does that mean they can do whatever they want or can the state courts say that is crazy? what we are going to do is we will get everyone together. and flip a coin. we will have a sprint. democrats, you pick your fastest runner, republicans, you pick your fastest runner. could the state supreme court come in and say no, that's unconstitutional? there is no due process? true adherence, people believe in this theory. say, sure. whatever the legislature wants to do is good to go. the liberal justices and people arguing say no. of course, the governor can

veto it. of course, the state supreme court and federal courts can reverse it and you can see the connection there to what donald trump was trying to get his people to do in 2020. >> that was exciting . >> it was. >> what does the constitution say? that is an important part to read. >> i can do a dramatic reading. the times, places, and manners for holding elections shall be prescribed in each state by the legislature there of. >> so there in lies the rub. the little thing called the constitution. everyone is in a kerfuffle about donald trump wanting to get rid of. >> the idea of making sure that what a legislative act does will not run afoul to the other aspects of constitutional law. and the courts interestingly enough, it seemed as though they were not buying into the theory of you are talking

about. surprising because why take this case? it was obscure a few years ago, now it has the platform of the supreme court. >> this theory goes back a ways. legitimate thought experiment it started out as. . the way it played out, you have the three liberal justices. they want the whole just the legislature. the swing here, the three swing, kavanaugh, roberts and coney barrett. >> let's listen to justice coney barrett. >> i was going to ask, is your test just a way of trying to deal with our precedent or are you rooting that in the constitution itself? because you do have a problem with explaining why these procedure limitations okay but

substantiative limitations are not. >> none of that made any sense. >> do we bring any common sense into play? doesn't legislature say they can be checked by the other branches? >> the constitution is swell. they did a really nice job. a great job, guys. >> tell that to donald trump, but go on. >> that was written a long time ago. and they don't cover everything and leave a lot of room for interpretation. to david's point, david, if i asked you where it says we have to hold elections for people to choose the president of the united states, it doesn't. there is nowhere that guarantee it is right of human beings in the united states to vote for president. it is not in the constitution. we have come to accept presidential elections as part of it. maybe, you need a little bit of

both here. >> you heard his swinginess. >> you can see the stakes here. if it is the case. >> that is what the north carolina republicans are hoping for. yes? that is why they brought it. >> exodus is huge at the end of the day. >> well. gentlemen, thank you. all right, now to this. five women coming forward this week and filing a lawsuit against bill cosby accusing him of sexual assault and abuse from decades ago. we are going to speak to their lawyer about how this can work, what evidence they have and how this brand new new york city state law factors into all of this.

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i love it when you talk nerdy to me. guy, guys, guys, we're still in session. and i don't know what the heck you're talking about. five women including two actresses who worked on the cosby show filed a lawsuit against bill cosby this week accusing hill of sexual assault and abuse. they are suing under a new law in new york that grants adult survivors of sexual abuse a one year window to sue their alleged abusers even if the statute of limitations has expired. a spokesman for cosby calls the lawsuit frivolous saying in a statement this isn't at justice for victims of alleged sexual assault, but it is all about money. we believe that the courts as well as the court of public opinion will follow the rules

and law and relieve mr. cosby of these alleged accusations. he continues to deny all allegations waged against him and looks forward to defendings himself in court. joining us now is the lawyer representing the five women accusing cosby. jordan, thank you so much for being here. so, i understand that this new law gives these women the opportunity to try to hold bill cosby accountable for what they say he did in sexually assaulting them. but, some of their accusations go back decades. one goes back to the 1960s . how do you plan to present evidence to prove your case? >> thanks for having me. but yeah. i mean, the adult survivors act followed on the heels of the child victim's act which was the new york law that allowed victims of child sexual abuse to sue as recently as a year or

two ago. as a result of sexual abuse that took place many decades ago. so, we have quite a bit of experience in litigating cases for events that took place years ago. and you know, we look forward to prosecuting these cases. >> i hear what you are saying about the children. but, just, is it fair to say there is no physical evidence? and that you will be basing it on what these women told other people contemporaneously? it must be challenging if you are talking about something that happened in the 1960s with people's memories and some people not being around. >> well, i think you would be surprised. i mean, first of all, these women have all come forward. their testimony is evidence. there have been prior cases filed against mr. cosby. some of his prior statements

will be evidence against him. and, there are, there is a whole discovery process we will go through and request documentary evidence as well as verbal evidence in the form of deposition testimony. and, you have five women coming forward who are filing lawsuits and you also have as you are well aware, a lot of other women who can't come forward and made similar allegations against mr. cosby. so, we think there is a lot of evidence in this case. >> oh yeah. cnn knows of 50 women who have come forward to make very, very similar accusations. these women didn't know each other. most of them. but, they have eeriely similar stories about what they say bill cosby did. also, interestingly, jordan, you are not just suing bill cosby, but nbc and the studios that produced the cosby show. here is what you say in the

complaint. defendants, nbc, condoned an encouraged bill cosby's sexual abuse assault on company premises by doing nothing to stop it despite knowledge of his serial sexual abuse of women and providing him with staff and facilities to groom and sexually abuse women. so r how did this work? how did it work that these studios with nbc aided in this? >> well, as set forth in the complaint and we go into explicit detail, new york state has a notice fleeting requirement. and we had very specific attacks in the complaint that established what we know at this point even without the benefit of discovery. when someone like frank scotty comes forward and provided interviews in a statement about what occurred during the cosby show. so, and we also have again, what our clients describe to us

as what took place on the cosby show t. was as we allege in the complaint, going on right in front of their eyes where mr. cosby would have these women in his dressing room. and, you know, at least one of our clients repeated and made clear as we say in the complaint, did not want to go. and, no one helped her. >> you just heard cosby's lawyer say this is not about sexual assault. it is all about the money. what is your response? >> well i mean, it is an unfortunate comment by his side. not unexpected. but, these women all want justice. the adult survivors act gives them the opportunity to pursue their claims in court. and, you know, they are all looking for their day in court. and, they are looking forward. i mean, yesterday, when we filed a lawsuit, was a

bittersweet day for them all. some of them waited a long time to pursue justice and they now have that opportunity. so, we disagree with the statements made by mr. cosby's side. and, we, too, look forward to proceeding with this case in court. >> thank you very much for your time. we really appreciate talking with you. >> thank you for having me. so fascinating. just the idea of delayed reporting more broadly. and how it is judged. the why now the motivations. the people assigned to it. >> this new law is changing everything. they didn't even have an opportunity before this new law. it was inconceivable as we all remember. >> there was the court of public opinion and the court of law. i want to bring you in here ellie. so important, because, let's just unpack a little bit. this law as to why this is not

going with some of the issues allison raised. the idea of due process considerations. why can this be possible? >> the general idea of a statute of limitations. we are talking civil side. you only have a certain amount of time in which to bring a lawsuit but this has been carved out by new york state as an exception. the lawyer was just talking about it. it is so difficult for survivors, victims of sexual assault. and violence to come forward. even now, it is extraordinarily difficult now. i'm old enough to remember how bill cosby was seen. he had a 100% approval rating. and imagine being a young woman who had this happen. it is unthinkable to go tour

ward. as allison was asking the lawyer, it is more difficult and really hard to prove allegations going back to the 80s or the 60s . >> this is not just bill cosby specifically. you have reported specifically on this. >> i want to say one thing before we get into cosby. but, i was just in the courtroom for kevin spacey's civil case in federal court. decades old. a young actor at the time said he was molested by kevin spacey. kevin spacey was acquitted but i saw firsthand how memories fade. evidence is not there. the accuser talked about a different bedroom. and they got out a floor plan and there was no separate bedroom and he was acquitted. so, the heart and soul of this law is wonderful.

but there are limitations. allison, you and i and cnn have been covering bill cosby and these suits for years. but it really all i think came to the forefront in 2005. saying bill cosby molested me. sexually assaulted me in his home. there was a criminal investigation. he found there was insufficient evidence. no criminal charges were found at all. it became public later on. in 2014 and 2015, women just started coming out. >> it was one after the other. >> because of the comedian hannibal buress. then it was just everywhere.

little did we know, that criminal investigation was resurrected at that time. and i'm in the news room at cnn. and we hear bill cosby will be charged with felonies involving sexual assault. we got to montgomery county. i remember him walking into the courtroom. the bill cosby that we know to face three charges of felony indecent assault. there was a trial. a mistrail. they retried it again the next year. he was convicted of all counts but there was a caveat here. a very big issue and i have to bring this up. because bruce castor had taken the stand saying i will make a promise to bill cosby that i would never prosecute him. well, he didn't tell any of his fellow prosecutors in the office. there was nothing in writing.

he told one defense attorney. >> and it was overturned. >> bill cosby had. the idea to your point, this was bill cosby. you have followed this. just the idea of the gravitas of that moment. >> i was the editor and chief of ebony magazine at that time. and we did a really confrontational cover where we had the cosby show on the cover underneath shattered glass. in 2015, people were really wrestling with this idea of two bill cosbys. they just couldn't square it. but 50, 60, 62 went in later. there is no question there is something that must be squared.

the thing i can say regardless of the direction that this lawsuit goes in, is that speaking of heart and soul, every time women are able to come forth, every time a new batch of women are empowered and not just in the cosby case, but in any case where you are talking about a powerful man, abusing or allegedly abusing women, when they feel empowered, when they find their voice, when they find their cause, that 12 moth window that says girl now, it opens up the door for god knows how many women to tell their stories. to actually maybe close the gap and how long it takes to report. because, you are talking about stories of assault that happened in the 60s . 70s , 80s . things happen in 2022 and women don't report. right? so the idea this is happen sergeant a net positive. >> agree. it is empowers for them.

and, your cover was ahead of its time. that is such a powerful cover. as you said, people were wrestling with the image. now people see him so differently. >> yeah, thanks so much you guys. >> thanks so much. up next, two women are suing apple alleging their exes are using the company's air tags to stalk them and harass them. we will discuss the merits of the case next. senegal 38%, por. did you know that? i had no idea. the more you learn the more you want to know and then it just fuels that fire. we now live in a place our ancestors have been for many, many years and we had no clue. nigerian. i got a lot of this from you. ♪ unwrap your family story, with ancestrydna.

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two women have filed class action lawsuits against apple claiming their air tags can be used by stalkers. >> apple referred to us on steps they have taken to avoid unwanted tracking for tags. , john, is it just time to get rid of all technology? i don't like it. i don't like that this thing is tracking me at all. i don't like any of it. >> glad we had this talk. >> me too. >> okay. look. so, i didn't know what to make of this story. the washington post did a really interesting take on this. and it went into how the air

tags are being used to track people. and what happens is it is like watching a spy tv show from the 1970s where people put like a bug, a tracker on your vehicle. you drop an air tag into someone's bag or purse in a bar. and you can follow them. >> their pockets, their clothing. it's awful. >> i get it. i get why that's creepy and i get why that is a concern but the flip side. what you are talking about is a creep. you are talking about a creepy behavior. and you start to wonder, well, this person would find a way. the post has a version of it where they put an air tag on someone's wheel well of their car with duct tape. is that really about the air tag or is this about a stalker here? i'm not quite sure what apple's liability exactly is, in all of this. >> yes. i'm dubious about the lawsuit. the bad guy is the stalker. if you do that, you are committing a crime. you could be sued.

what's the problem with suing a stalker? they have no money. so people look for apple which has all the money in the world. any technology can be used for evil. but the question is, is this device sort of designed or did apple turn a blind eye toward knowing that it was being misused and maybe this will be evidence of that in the discovery. but my instinct. >> i track my kids. >> i had a bad experience. i one day, i was watching my kids come home from school. i was watching them. >> you were tracking them remotely? >> one air tag went in one direction and the other in the other. and i was like wait a sec, go get my kids! i could not understand why they were going. it turned out, that a teacher had found the air tag and put

it in a different kid's bad. but she was getting ready to do something to make sure. >> i think air tags will be used by two groups. moms, and stalkers. >> and laura coats. >> it is pretty obvious. i don't see how we are going to get around the bad that is going to come out of this. technically, you could track someone out an air tag. >> solet do away with it. >> we will say this will happen anyway so let's forget about it. there are things companies ought to be able to do. if you have the technology to try to protect, to allow it to happen, safeguards can be put in place. often times we have the ability to take some remedial

measures. the larger question, is this balance between the good of technology and the usefulness and the ills of it. social media is an example. you had women saying all right ladies. because they don't know how they will prosecute behavior. take away fertility apps. they can use that against you. look. i am no lawyer or a tech designer but it seems to me that apple could design something where you could find out if within ten feet of where you are standing there is one of these tags. so, you know. >> they have something like that. they have something like that. >> that is what they have, and that seem to be a way around this. >> let us hope. because, women, again, will be the ones. >> wait a minute, how do you know if something slipped a tag

into your purse? >> you can detect any tag. >> my phone says that to me all the time. >> you might want to look into that. >> so we all have tags. all of us have tags. all 9 million new yorkers so every time you are somewhere, you think it is beeping? >> i am not a tech designer. i didn't do a good job fixing it. >> apple has to answer it and people have a lot of misgivings about what technology looks like. >> i'm not sure it helped your mental health. you see what you saw with your kids not going in the right direction. >> how much does it help you in general to know where they are? >> for me, i mean, let's not

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