>> good evening everyone. i'm laura coates. >> and i'm alisyn camerota. >> this is cnn tonight. brittney griner is on her way home tonight. flying halfway around the world from moscow to san antonio. you're looking live at the airport where she is expected to arrive very soon. olympic gold medalist and wnba star's was released early this morning from russian detention in exchange for russian arms dealer known as the merchant of death but the prisoner swap

left paul whelan behind in russia where he's been detained for four years. >> i'll talk to the white house press secretary, asked about those who say negotiates feel because paul whelan was left behind. expanded anti lgbtq laws in russia and into concern over britney griner's detention. also, first on cnn, for higher high-profile trump allies could face criminal referrals from jerry six committee. we'll tell you who they are and what that would mean. >> lots to talk about tonight for sure, but the big news is the release of brittney griner after 294 days of wrongful detention in russia. joining me now, karine jean-pierre, white house press secretary. thank you for taking the time after a very long day to join us this evening. i appreciated.

>> thank you so much, laura, for having me on today. you're right, it's been a long day, but i'm happy to be here with you. >> especially about a day like today, most people woke up to the news that brittney griner had been freed, and there was a range of emotion. there was concerns, obviously, the families of those who had not had that success, diplomatically, but there is also elation for those who have been waiting for this day, not the least of which are the loved ones of b. g., and she is known. i wonder what you say after a day of hearing the reactions what do you say to those that this may have been who say that this might have been seen as a failed negotiation because it did not include paul whelan. >> let me first say, laura, that these decisions that the president make, day in a day, out in this particular decision is not an easy one. he does not make these decisions lightly.

he believed there was an opportunity to bring britney griner home and he took that opportunity. and so that is something that he wants american people to understand. the options that we were given was either we bring one american home which is brittney griner or we bring none and so the president took that and made that decision to bring home britney griner. here's the thing. the president has promised since the beginning of his administration that he would do everything he can to bring american citizens who are being wrongfully detained abroad, and he has kept that promise. he has brought home, as we saw brought back in april, trevor reed, today brittney griner, and he actually said this this morning when he spoke to the american people, with cherelle by his side in the vice president by his side, he said that he understands that this moment today is incredibly difficult for the whelan family and he's going to keep this promise, he's gonna do everything that he can to bring paul home, to secure his release as well. but one last piece i want to say is that it was within the last several weeks we realized that russia was willing to do,

to secure, to negotiate for brittney's release but they weren't willing to do that for paul. they were not negotiating in good faith, and they had categorized paula very differently. they have falsely, illegitimately charged him with charges that we believe were false. and so because of that they were not willing to negotiate for him at this time but again we are still in conversation, we are going to do everything that we can to bring paul home, and that is a promise that the president has made. >> certainly the family of paul whelan are hoping for that. i do wonder, the issue you describe, the idea of what it takes to have a good faith negotiation and really the bargaining power comes down oftentimes, as you imagine, to leverage. many people are wondering. this new reporting about what you're talking about. the idea of trying to do all you can to bring him and others home. what might be the process now in terms of a shift in the leverage, the idea that viktor bout has been in that prison are exchanged. i know they spoke about bout never being the bargaining chip,

but i wanted what leverage the united states has to compel that good faith bargaining in good faith negotiation by russia? >> i understand. that's very good question to ask. but as you can imagine we have to be careful here because we are currently continuing trying to have those negotiations, trying to secure paul's safe return. so we don't want to lay that out in any conversations that are happening as it relates to paul. but i can say. this i just mentioned trevor reed, that the president was able to get released back in april. there are more for from other countries, americans wrongfully detained abroad, in his administration he has been able

to get released. so this is a priority for the president. this is a priority, and he wants people to know, he wants american people to know, this is an imperative for him to bring americans home who are wrongfully detained. we can't get into negotiations and negotiating in public, but again, we have seen what the president has been able to do, what his administration has been able to do, his successes in getting folks released. but again, we're not gonna get into details on. this >> i understand that diplomatic prudence completely. i do want to focus on the person who was released today, and that is brittney griner. earlier this week president putin actually signed into law even harsher legislation that was anti lgbtq in russia. she obviously is an american, but she also has fallen into a demographic within russia where she would've been marginalized, maybe even targeted as a black woman, as a member of the lgbtq community. her release certainly probably contemplated what the circumstances were like for her

there. can you speak to the personal aspect of what it is like for this particular person to have been brought home, knowing what she must have been facing? i know it just in the few clips we have of her crossing that tarmac, it appears that even her dreadlocks have been taken off, have been cut off. i'm wondering if just the holistic nature of it all, what is your personal really reaction to what you've seen? >> my personal reaction, look, we are, i am thrilled, we are thrilled, i am proud of this president, proud to be working in this administration, and the work that the president continues to do to get americans home, continues to do to make sure that we are safe, that we are well represented, and that he works day in and day out, thinking about the american people.

that's why i do this job. that's why many of us do this job. when brittney is ready, we're gonna give her the space and make sure that she has everything that she needs to get back on her feet, offering any mental health services or any physical health services that she may need to reengage, get back into society. we're going to give her and her family that time. as you know she's on her way to the states and will be landing in the next few hours. when she is ready to tell her story, we will be happy to hear it. certainly we're not gonna speak to her personal experiences, but for me today is a very good day. we're going to keep the president, is going to keep fighting for other americans who were wrongfully detained. >> karine jean-pierre, thanks so much for your time. >> great conversation. i just can't stop thinking about brittney griner on the plane, seeing that photo, that video of her. she looks different already. smiling. she looks younger. she looks like the weight of

the world is off of her shoulders. however, how surreal it must be. that moment, right there, how surreal these past ten months must be for her. she must think she's dreaming. >> i bet it's not gonna be real until she touches down and in the arms of her wife and thinking, am i really safe. you can imagine, to have ones freedom taken away so quickly, the almost have the sense that it can be done again to you. >> oh yes. we're gonna talk about the therapy in the psychological row that the head. but right now i want to bring in retired u.s. district judge she rush and lynn, whose sentenced viktor bout to 25

years after he was convicted of arms trafficking in 2012. judge, thanks so much for being here. how do you feel about viktor bout walking free today? >> i'm okay with that, because i'm so happy that britney griner's home. and whatever took to get her home, i'm for it. so i'm not against viktor bout being sent back to russia. >> this is interesting to hear. because so many people say that the swap, well, everybody is grateful that she's back, but everybody says he's a bad guy. as you know better than anybody he was caught in a sting operation after agents basically posed as terrorists and he was willing to sell them

hundreds of surface to air missiles, thousands of ak-47 machine guns, five tons of plastic explosives, to this terrorist group who admitted they wanted to kill american pilots and columbia. so why should he be serving any less than the 25 years the sentenced him to? >> i thought the 25 year sentence was longer than it needed to be when i sentenced him. i had to give that sentence. i had no discretion. those are called statutory mandatory minimums. >> but why didn't you deserve that? >> okay, i thought it was too high. remember, this was a businessman who was in the arms trade and he had been in the arms trade for years but it seems to me that he stopped been in the arms trade but he never been prosecuted. our government was determined to bring him to justice and they created a sting operation and they had to convince him to do it. he really was reluctant at first, there's no question, there are takes. eventually he said oh, okay, okay, i'll do it. and he was able to do it. and he said i can produce these weapons that you checked off all these wagons, weapons but remember, the words came to the agents they said now you understand, that these weapons can be used to kill americans? >> and he said i'm okay with. that they're my enemy to. but he was really agreeing with them, as you would agree with a customer if you are a

businessman, you would agree with your customer. so it wasn't as if he was an ideological terrorist like, the kind of people who flew a plane into the world trade center. >> though he was accused of selling arms to al-qaeda and the taliban. not in the when you convicted him for but in the past. that's part of his record. >> that's his record, but that was never a crime against the united states, and i'm not so sure that you're right about al-qaeda. there were other groups that he sold to. many countries in africa. both sides of civil war. the point is, he didn't care who was customer was. he was selling arms to whoever would buy those arms. that is different from somebody who has an ideology. yes, but he still a bad guy. >> oh for sure. >> and still a dangerous guy. >> is he still a dangerous? guy >> good question. i'm interested to hear the you think he was retired because earlier we had the former human trafficking expert, she is the woman who is credited with getting viktor bout arrested and she just talked on cnn to erin burnett.

here's what she said. >> he is what i call a weapon of mass destruction personified, and he will be ready for putin to deploy him, especially in ukraine and africa and other war zones. that is really heartbreaking for me. i do think that viktor bout is a security threat and we cannot minimize this issue, even though it's very important that brittney griner came home. we need to be very pro active here. putin is going to be ready to deploy viktor bout. he comes with years of experience, years of contacts. he started in ukraine. i think that's one of the areas we have to be concerned about right away. we viktor bout will be a major asset for putin. >> so she doesn't think he's retired. she thinks he's going to be a national security threat. >> yes but he's been in jail for 12 years. he's been cut off from his network. and before that he hadn't been active for a number of years. so if you lost your network, your suppliers, you have to rebuild that. i respectfully disagree, but

she's an expert and national security, i'm not. but from the evidence i heard of the trial, it seems unlikely to me that he can go back in the business now. he's a marked guy. >> thinking about the idea of the mandatory minimum, you had descendants him, to an important point you raised. but for many looking at this and saying you know, there is an imbalance between the allegations against brittney griner and those against viktor bout. india about the amount of time, would your position be different if he had not yet served anytime compared to the idea of having now served more than a decade? >> absolutely. that couldn't go along with it all. this man need to be punished, sentence, needed spent time in prison. but a judge has to consider how much is needed to deter and protect public. i think he's 55 years old. he's been in jail a long time. he basically is gonna get home to the wife and kids. i don't think he's going to be an active arms dealer. now russians after repledge the spy of arms. they're low on arms. so maybe this guy can be useful

who has arms. they find they found iran, so maybe we'll find more with his help. >> what about the argument that they should have also gotten paul whelan for this, that viktor bout was such a big fish that they should've gotten paul whelan. >> they would have if they could have. they certainly try to negotiate further release of two for one. that something many of us advocated. when i talked about this in august, one of was first raised, i said it has to be two for one. because she didn't commit a crime at all. in new york it wouldn't even be a violation. four-time list of gram of cannabis oil which is good for your knee in your shoulder and back. it was not a crime. this guy was a serious arms dealer who, as you said, supplied arms to the worst people in the world. so of course there was a disparity. if we could've gotten both of them free, that would have made more sense. however, as the whelan said, you do what you have to do. they agreed that it was one or none, so if it's that way let's

go with one. >> you very keenly where the difficult choices in trying to balance the different outcomes, but it seems to me, if he really is required i wonder why russia wants him back so badly. that's the million dollar question that only vladimir putin and his administration can answer. >> most countries want their own back, and this man was well connected to the top. sure, he knew putin, he knew other high-level officials. and they want to back. he's their guy. i get that. >> judge let's hope you're right. thanks so much for coming in. we really appreciated. >> a lot more to come on brittney griner's release as we await her rival a touchdown in texas, plus, first here on cnn, the january 6th committee is considering criminal referrals for at least four trump allies. we will discuss who and why. just soothing comfort.

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brittney griner's honor way home from tonight from a prisoner swap a convicted russian i'm still, are viktor bout bringing one and a ten months of captivity. because we might over american paul whelan who still in russian custody. plus, first on cnn, for

high-profile trump eight could face criminal referrals from the january six committee. it's got a lot talking about tonight to go to and we're gonna bring in our panel cnn anchor john berman and senior comment -- van jones. what a day! the idea that this is, first of, all in contacts you guys, this is an out even longer, frankly, than the invasion into ukraine. remember the week before that she was actually detained, we didn't know about it until quite sometime, and we will cup this morning to this brand-new news, and there has been a whole mixed bag of reaction. most agreed that we know that she's donbas a lot of concerns that have been left behind. what is your reaction to this? >> joy -- just joy. result of to kind of power. the power of black women who just fought like for this. this was not just an active grace from above. african american woman saw themselves in her and fought, and, fought and fought. and the wnba women forced

everybody including all the nba guys to stand up and be a part of this. so there is that kind of power. and then at the power of a president who knows who brought him to the dance. black women are the backbone of this party, you can put brighteners -- griner's name against the first african american vice president. the first african american female supreme court justice. this is a president who understands the value of black women and will fight for that and you put those two things together and you have tremendous joy. of course the heartbreak of anyone being left behind but there is joy tonight. >> -- go ahead? >> well i agree, i think is a little danger and what you are saying though. for biden, i think that he cares about folks like paul whelan to. he cares about guys. he can about white guys and so i don't think that this was a choice. that he made. i think that you can believe two things, and you should believe them both that this is an unequivocal success for joe biden.

and he did everything he should, he made the right decision. if your choices one are not, you take one. but at the same time, at a huge cost. huge! if the cost of paul whelan. i spokd essentially the clock starts over for paul whelan, potentially. that's awful. viktor bout, not a great guy, very dangerous guy. i love what the judge had to say, adorable. [laughter] but he is a dangerous guy. folks have said that he could be unleashed to ukraine in a week. >> and furthermore, minority leader kevin mccarthy says that this is bad for national security that it's an incentive to finding more american targets to hang on to. >> all of these things can be true at once, and i think the way that you are both priming it is so important. this is not a choice between brittney griner and paul whelan. this little between brittney griner and nothing. that doesn't mean that there is still not a lot of very important discussion about whether or not the united

states engages with rogue nations like russia over getting hostages back. that's an important discussion to have. whether that should happen ever. and i think that it is happening and i welcome it. i will say that there was a distinct change in u.s. policy over this issue when the trump administration. this all change between 2016 and 2020, when donald trump made it a point to do things the united states hadn't really done this overtly before, which is way to get hostages home no matter what the cost is -- now doubled in today said they were offered viktor bout for paul whelan, and they didn't take it. donald trump himself seems to go off the rails and indicate that wasn't the case today. but -- but you know, trump exchange taliban, prisoners, taliban prisoners that were held in afghanistan. he exchanged 300 and worked to exchange 300 houthi rebels and gamut for a couple of americans being held hostage. that just wasn't done for a

long time because of what stis is talking about. and -- maybe it is a good change, but it's important to acknowledge that it is a change and it does put people at risk potentially. >> i mean let's be clear to, the idea of -- yes, it is true that she is a black woman, a member of the lgbtq community, all the intellectual identity there, and what may have been even more impactful that she may very well been have targeted for those very reasons in russia. but it's also important to think about taking a step back -- this was somebody who was accused of a crime and was not provided the due process we would want for our citizens abroad or even domestically and we would guaranteed to be polite viktor bout who had a trial based on charges. and that is kind of a fundamental notion of the rule of law in our country. we underscore that in our constitution and beyond and thinking of that very notion, that is why the thinking about these discussions around these communities in congress right now, the generous committee in particular, looking at what happens when we are dismissive

of those towards constitutional virtues or what we hold dear. and i'm wondering what you guys think about that we are now learning about the potential criminal charges and referrals coming out of the january six committee and the fact that, adamant, and unequivocal win for biden. what does that say unequivocally about the prior administration? what -- what do the referral say? >> >> yes -- >> well i think it's good news, i mean they don't really mean anything, it's symbolism. and we hope to the doj has already begun working on some of the stuff and isn't relying on the january six of call lawmakers to suggest it. [laughter] because we all heard the stories. but it's got that we are seeing some accountability. i hope this is like step one of many. >> let's look at the pictures of that cnn could reports that the general six committee is considering for criminal referrals. so here they are they are donald trump, at the top there

would be giuliani, another john eastman, and then there is a -- >> and then mark. meadows >> good luck as i would say. >> yeah. [laughter] i like that we all have to put on our glasses and lean in. there [laughter] >> but -- what do we think about those -- that choice, of those five people that? does that seem like -- i mean why wouldn't the doj charge those guys? >> i mean you can take those five and you can also them by five, you could throw five more in, there and you would still have or wouldn't have all the people who were responsible for taking this country to the brink. and i think that for -- you don't just, as you talk about rule of law. it does, this particular decision underscores a sense that there are two with systems of justice. there are people who are in jail right now for such a minor staff, for so long. they didn't run up into the capitol in the middle of a joint session of congress and -- and people of and attacked

crops they had some pretty drugs on them and this country and the orange on this country and so when we look at that situation, and then what do you have to do to get just charged with something? >> well i said this before, i said this with huge on, so most outlook trump is not above the law, and i think -- majeski, is at this moment -- he is. tua normal person, not a legal scholar, you think while he is above the law! >> congress he is a thing about this, criminal referrals, and discuss congress really isn't a law and i defer to the two people that say for a lot of reasons -- and lower to the justice department itself. my sense from talking to people like you have worked there if that was going to happen with the investigators over at doj it merrick garland, especially, council and be like -- whatever! we're gonna do what we are going to do thank congress for your time, but this isn't going to directly impact our investigation. and our friend ali willing someone else has worked and doj put it to me today that the

day. congress is doing this because it's right for congress. so not necessarily doing it because it's right for the investigation. that doesn't diminish the work that the january six committee has done. the walk about daniel six committee has done a surprising. >> and as a way for parts parity in some. way >> right that they want to make a, statement and if they want to post a band about this and that's political and i'm not saying this because of political is bad. >> but they. can >> i do think there is a value to normalize eyeing the idea that they can be crimo overalls of any kind against a former president or his henchmen. because i do think that this is a mix question about the law and politics. and so to the extent that one branch of government says hey, we think this crimes here. it might make it easier for the executive branch to say that. so i do think these things can go together, obviously is not congress talk to people in, job so far, nobody trying to put trump in jail. >> the drivers have legislative oversight and think about maybe there is a way to fortify aspects of our constitution?

auspices of our laws of the country? we're waiting for that report that is coming out when they saw the 21st? >> 21st, that's. right >> all right thank you all very much! meanwhile, bringing britney griner home is the latest in a string of victories for president biden in the past week. are people underestimating him at their own expense? that is next! ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ prilosec otc reduces excess acid for 24 hours, blocking heartburn before it starts. one pill a day. 24 hours. zero heartburn. every year, millions of people find a health plan at healthcare.gov during open enrollment. ♪ so they can enjoy more visits. ♪ have more meet and greets. and have less to worry about. with the new law, 4 out of 5 customers can find a plan for $10 a month or less with financial help. feel like a million and find your plan during open enrollment.

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it's been a winning way for president biden. he's a care the relay so wnba player, brittney griner, from a russian jail today. he also supported a landmark legislation to protect same-sex

and interracial marriages. and that's not the only wins by the way. >> of course the administration, a recent weeks they've also managed to avert a rail strike, as well as the five midterm ministry. but despite these accomplishments, it still seems that biden is well he's being underestimated. the real question is, why? >> back at, this john berman, s. e. cupp, and van jones. [laughter] >> just lucky to be! here >> you know what, i was thinking i heard, it i, satellites and i think he's a -- [inaudible] >> johnny be -- also with you, because i've given you a different name this evening. why do you think he's being underestimated? >> i think joe biden, during the primaries, this little bit of a tortoise and hare phenomenon. he was counted out every stage of the way after iowa and new hampshire, he was going to stay the course and then sure enough, he wins. and then we've seen it in the administration to. okay my, god everything's going straight, it's gonna stay the course, and it turns out okay

for him. i don't know whether he doesn't care about the frenzy into this going around him, or he doesn't hear it, and i'm not being majority leader -- you know he's not a winner of, it but he stays going forward, and he's managed to be effective at what he wants to do. what may make him an incredibly audit fit for this twitter moment, the -- the twitter society, will make him a good fit for like real life society and getting actual stuff done. >> you know it'll funny, as he, there's another network that to about hours of programming to montages of his bumbling, his word finding difficulties and the uk up about you know, how senile or old he is. >> i think i know that -- >> you may be familiar with. that >> we may be a little bit familiar with. it >> and then he pulls off all of those legislative wins and midterm victory, and get the britney griner home. i think they might be

snowballing this -- >> very -- yeah. >> like buffalo weighing their viewers into thinking that he is not as effective as he is. >> that is weak, that he's an easy target, that is an easy takeover, that he's in confidante. and i just think that there are sort of republicans are misdiagnosing, misdiagnosing biden, and their own problems. i heard a former colleague of ours newt gauge's week taking a snap at it, tommy lauren, a fox news personality, taking a stab at it, and both set a version of -- we should be beating the socialists and communists, and we're not. i -- i think most people don't see the socialism and the communism. that's the problem. they are using these words that sound very scary and i think most people are like, where is at? where is all of that? that you are talking about? the woke is m, you know -- where is it all? and the culture wars are affected but only at agitating their base. they are not really effective ring --

or infecting this sort of mass elective, the sinus the author of that. south >> i mean, dan, missed all of that, that -- this will be fine for biden, he's obviously or maybe having funded the notion that every time there underestimating, well they overestimated web wave. you overestimated the inability to get things done. you overestimated the ability to get herschel walker elected. we overestimated so many aspects of it -- perhaps it's more of a, maybe an important strategy at this point to be under that radar. >> remember colombo, you know? [laughter] >> so there is a ballet tipping underestimated. but i think it's not just republicans that are underestimated. for much of democrats, having been as well, i think this is dissidents between someone who looks so people, but he doesn't -- joe biden, i worked for him in the obama white house. you know he was a -- he was a big risk flavor figure, and now he looks older, and he

is older, and as we get is that of a colossus. he has pulled off more stuff in two years that he's been in office with us a little tiny majority. that's a lot of presidents couldn't get down in a whole term. and so when you look at someone and say oh, your record -- like you got the most basketball points in the game ever, in the first half. in the first half! but, at the same time, you -- you look like you are -- our -- our grandpa. and so are democrats are like, you know, wait a minute! we've got a winner here! we've got a winner -- >> i think that's acho, but also just want to -- i'm not sure he's a very strong candidate going into 2024. he has every right to run. >> right. >> every white! >> but that's what you're saying. >> but everything that that is saying is topping reflectivity approval ratings. >> well i would put him against trump again, that will work great like last time -- but rhonda on else, i don't think he's got it. and it's not just because of republicans, but democrats --

he was elected to be a transitional president, not a transformational one. and i don't think he can take the party or the country where it's ultimately wants. ago >> he has a say actually of what's described of what's he's had some of the success, i want to do. i want to make, where people can judge whether or not they like what he's gotten. but what he wanted to do, he has got. down he always has -- don't judge me against the almighty, judgment against the alternative. >> yeah. >> and so that's where he's has benefited a lot! up until this point. he's been running against, what he's been fighting against -- you know, that may change at some point. now the best thing that he's got going for donald trump. >> right. >> if donald trump doesn't want to go through with this election, things might be very different. >> guys, thank you! >> i'm gonna call john barry mentor mao on. >> we had a whole different of -- primetime. i like that. we know, harry and meghan are now calling out the royal family in their new docuseries. if you haven't had a chance to watch it while you stay tuned. we've got clips!

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tonight we are hearing prince harry and meghan mckee side of the story, the first three episodes of their six-part docuseries, harry and meghan, hitting netflix today. >> it includes pictures, stories, they are the day of the relationship. and meghan's first meeting with the royal family, they also address the relentless media attention, which harry says has a race element, when it comes to coverage of meghan. let us watch. >> as far as the family was concerned, everything that she's been put through, they've been put through as well. so it's almost like a right of passage. for some of them family said, why would my wife have to go through that? so, why should you go from be treated differently? why should you get special treatment? why should she be protected? >> and this is the difference

here is the race element. >> back with us, john berman, that's interesting. and s. e. cupp. so, i thought that was just better insightful to hear that they all set, what we ought to go through this right passage, the difference is the race element. is it? when the paparazzi -- what are your thoughts about that are? all i see is paparazzi swarming all the movement at all times. >> i think this is a case of trauma meeting tradition. i think you have two people who had really significant trauma -- harry lost his mom. at a very young age. not a bunch of royals. the mom basically killed by paparazzi. you can't say, well, get over it. and well ... with meghan, she's the black women. and once you start throwing out racial stuff we have appointed your history of that leading to a lot of violence. so that leads his new -- personal treatment of circle trauma. the royal family could not get

past a tradition. so you guys just act like everybody else. jack like everybody else. you want some special principles. no, we are in a unique situation with special trauma, and you guys need to respond. it is a failure of the tradition. >> will it also mean that you are posing the direction of. it may be intentional that not to provide or you have to go to what we went through. but there is something different. >> they're just intentionally not to provide some sort of, you have to go through what we've gone through. but there's something different annette. she is a black, women entering the monarchy, it is different. the history of the monarchy is different. this aspect of, it as a black woman -- >> difference one way to put. it >> but different at the idea of -- >> and they deserve -- >> and that's what we have to think. about >> and here's the reality -- they deserved the support of their family. they deserved a family that could listen, and could adapt, and they didn't get. that >> and if you want to say that she is a crybaby and she's a prima donna, et cetera, et

cetera -- >> that is the narrative -- >> but i ask, anybody, you put yourself in that situation and you imagine all those people coming at you, and you live on a continent with actual not sees, et cetera, and then you say you would be happy to have no protection -- >> look on things that she was asking, and whatever 88-year-old traditional women to adapt, and i don't know if that women -- >> and we live with a country with actual nazism. >> like the last, night utterly watch the worlds. but, i'm glad that they are telling their story. and what they went through. and i think it is eye-opening. it is a good reckoning. what i don't like is how broadly they painted this story. i mean, they throw the whole of the uk's racist. the media is racist. the paparazzi are racist.

brexit supporters are ra-- they very broad about how they talk. about what they went through. very personally what they went through. and i wish there was a bit research that they truly believe that everyone is like that. and there when there is awful and not to get them. >> we have time to play one more clip? >> ok here is the unconscious bias that harry talks about. >> this family, sometimes, part of the problem or part of the solution. and there is a huge effort or amount of unconscious bias. the thing with unconscious bias is it's actually no one's fault. but once it's been pointed out, or did to find within yourself, you then need to make it right. >> what's interesting to me is the idea of the monarchy, and painting with a broad stroke. i mean, his family, which normally be your personal family think about. if your family is synonymous with the country. how can you avoid painting with

a broad stroke? and so i don't i lot of research, which means i watch the two of his. i was which is like rage, and when arousal, but there is a quote from a guy -- james halt, who's a former palace pokes man who says, there is a family or this family anointed by god and by blood to roll over our country and other countries around the world. it's a difficult conversation to have, he says. [laughter] >> when you couple is my hopefully about this. sometimes, just take a step back -- and it's what makes my head hurt. it's insane! it's insane! >> well you've always felt this way, about the monarchy. >> it's what i like about this documentary is that it's at least bringing up the conversation about the whole thing again and making people look at it and go -- what is like, and what we are talking about? let alone talking about in america -- where as i see, my favorite massachusetts girl, you know and you thought you'd be done with. i >> thought would be done with -- >> it the whole world? >> thank you for all the different perspectives. we'll be right back

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